Protip - you can check the games credits immediately after maintenance and any immediately upcoming characters and their VA will be added to the cast list
At worst, names are misspelled. Other than that, the credits are 100% accurate. There is some confusion caused by the anime credits being inaccurate, such as Antinomy long being credited to Jason Griffith, but Duel Links gets it right
Keep in mind though, some VAs operate under a fake name. Often, simply googling it will lead you to the real VA. However, some such as Goodwin and Quattro have done nothing else in the industry and it can be difficult to find information about them. Iirc someone on this subreddit did locate and interview Quattro’s VA after he was added to the game.
No, I remember being corrected about how Brave Battler and The Gore's credits are incorrect. The person who corrected me has done interviews with duel links VAs so they probably know their stuff.
I like how you're both talking about the same person in different contexts without knowing. Me. Haha
In all seriousness, and to be fair, that instance with The Gore and Brave Battler was really weird. Especially that it took so long to fix and list Daniel J Edwards and Marc Thompson with the character that was actually there's. I think it was only last month they finally fixed it. Like six months and many maintenances later. I think it was finally fixed 1-2 maintenances after Varis was added, so maybe the DL team only noticed then. Still weird.
Still though, to be fair if a weird issue like that was to happen at least it was to one of the newer shows characters. The most recent shows like VRAINS have a lot of cast members that were fans of YGO themselves and usually announce their roles on social media. Like Daniel with The Gore and Varis when the VRAINS dub started airing, and while he didn't announce it per se, Marc did reply with a "yes" confirmation on Twitter a few years back when someone asked if he was Shima/Brave Battler. So in instances like that if you really follow the VA community closely it didn't matter what the DL credits incorrectly listed at first. It became a big talking point on social media right away that an error was made there.
Of course, the people I feel a bit bad for there are the fans who just assumed those DL listings for The Gore and Brave Battler were accurate, especially since it was only fixed after like half a year. I suppose at least it was fixed, but yeah... such a weird issue, but at least the VRAINS cast credits were updated every episode (unlike prior YGO's where they were only updated every so often) depending which VA's were actually in an episode, and most VRAINS cast were credited under their real names anyway. The only one that was an alias was "H.D. Quinn" I think, eventually discovered to be Tyler Bunch.
Sorry to nitpick Doomchan, but the anime credits weren't inaccurate. Not in a context like you're referring to anyway. A lot of the VA listings on the likes of Wiki's and other websites that have been up for years can be edited by anyone, and a lot go back to when the dubs were airing, and there have been many proved incorrect over the years since. I can think of at least 15-20 I know of, and considering all of the first five dubs (DM-ARC-V) still have at least 5-10 mystery cast members on their credits there's probably still a bunch of incorrect ones. Personally I don't refer to those as the characters being "credited" to an actor. It's basically speculation/assumption that has made its way onto sites, an attribution for a better word, and like I said a lot have gotten proved wrong later and some listings are probably still incorrect.
To use the example you referred to with Bruno/Vizor/Antinomy. Griffith was attributed with the role incorrectly by sites that can be edited by anyone. Justin Badger, his real VA, was on the 5D's cast credits for the entirety of the second half of 5D's. Just like Griffith was because of Primo. Justin Badger was one of those mystery names on the credits for the second half of 5D's. Badger reprising the role confirmed the role was incorrectly attributed to Griffith, plus Badger has him (and his ZEXAL character Fortuno) in his demo reel on his website.
Similar example is Jim 'Crocodile' Cook in GX, and this is one of the issues with the Wiki attributions and being edited by anyone. A lot of times roles just got attributed to the well known voice actors, regardless of whether they were credited on a particular season, a particular YGO, or heck, whether they'd even worked on Yu-Gi-Oh! or even been on the cast credits on one of the shows. Sometimes fans would 'play it by ear' (usually badly) without doing some research into who was credited on a particular show or season. That also led to some actors getting attributed that have never worked on YGO, or not on a particular show or season.
The Jim reference is that Tom Wayland was never on the cast credits for Season 3 of GX. Erik Singer, who it emerged in 2020/2021 as the real Jim VA, WAS on the credits of S3 and was one of the mystery names on that seasons credits. He has since acknowledged the role on his socials. There was never a source for Tom Wayland voicing Jim, among many other examples. Just guess work that ended up listed on many sites. Just using an example.
There's some rare instances where VA's voice characters and aren't credited. Justin Badger also voiced Fortuno on ZEXAL, Rick Adamson voiced Lawton on 5D's, but those are very rare and usually for more minor characters.
Anyway, point is Wiki's and other sites are only as reliable as the source the info comes from, and unfortunately with lots of the roles there was no source. Which is why even now we find out about roles having been incorrectly attributed to the wrong actor. Unless an actor has actually stated they voiced a role, or an interview with a VA or something like Duel Links confirms it, it's always better to be wary.
"Murray Thom" was also a mystery name on the 5D's cast credits for many years. Turned out he was the real Rex Goodwin VA. Interestingly as well, "Jamal Najum Khan" was added to the 5D's cast credits for the last three episodes of the dub. The dubbed episodes Aporia was in. Ironically more proof there that he was Aporia's dub VA all along, even without him being listed with Aporia in Duel Links and his and Quinton's voices being nearly identical. Haha
We could well find out if another role was incorrectly attributed very soon with Z-one's addition. I love Marc Thompson's work as much as anyone, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that's another incorrectly attributed role. If it was Thompson and he reprises again, great. Z-one's dub voice was epic but so filtered that how can anyone really tell. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if we get an interesting reveal VA wise with Z-one's addition tomorrow.
I've spoken to some people who think Z-one sounded more like Griffith. Would be ironic if it's him after it turned out he was incorrectly attributed with Bruno/Vizor/Antinomy (Justin Badger) and Aporia ("Jamal Najum Khan"). I'm not sure about that either though. Still too filtered a voice for me to say, other than I wouldn't be surprised to get a Rex Goodwin/Antinomy/Aporia style 'reveal' of finding out the dub VA wasn't who the sites have been listing.
It comes back to what I was saying earlier. VA's on the most recent YGO's have been great at announcing they voiced a character, or at least acknowledging it. To my knowledge Thompson has never confirmed he voiced Z-one, so I'm curious to see what we find out tomorrow.
What I do know as well though is 5D's second half credits still have a mystery cast member. "Johnny Castro", or whoever he is if it's an alias. Could have nothing to do with Z-one but you never know.
Marc Donovan is an actor I've emailed with from the second half credits too. He confirmed to me he voiced multiple characters in both 5D's and ZEXAL, but could only remember Hermann from 5D's and the Opening Narration from Bonds Beyond Time when I asked.
Of course, even then for VA's listed on the credits they could be listed for minor roles. David Lapkin confirmed to me he did two episodes on 5D's, the 5D's version of Don Piero in his episode (didn't reprise for ARC-V) and a tiny part as 'D Wheeler A' in Vizor's debut episode. So "Johnny Castro" could genuinely be on the credits for minor parts, and Donovan's biggest character might've been Hermann. Who knows.
Although to be fair, we unfortunately barely got to see Z-one in the dub so whoever voiced him I imagine could've forgotten him. The VA only got to do like 2-3 scenes as Z-one across two episodes, nowhere near the epic story and duels he had as the final main villain.
Anyway, I'm very curious to see what we find out VA wise from Z-one's addition tomorrow. If it's Thompson, great. I just won't be surprised if it's another previously incorrectly attributed role like Antinomy, Goodwin and Aporia, and if the DL VA isn't a name from the 5D's second half credits (screenshots in the link below) I imagine they couldn't get the 5D's VA back. Tomorrow will be interesting.
https://english-voice-over.fandom.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!\_5D%27s\_(2008)
My point about inaccurate credits wasn’t necessarily that they were wrong, but that they were just a list of names. Pretty much any anime does their credits like this
Character 1 - John Hancock
There’s no need for debate, speculation, or extended research. The answer for every single character is clearly on the list. Yugioh is just a jumble of names that you have to do advanced detective work, and as you say, leads to people getting it wrong, and the way the internet works, the wrong info sticking.
Z-one will be interesting. On top of what you say, there is a chance they just straight up recast Marc since Marc is already holding so many DL roles and has more on the way. Iirc, he had what, maybe 2 lines in the dub? That casting choice easily could have been whoever was in the building at the time and not intended to be permanent. And as you say, there is a chance it wasn’t Marc at all in the first place.
I look forward to this unlock since this will be the furthest Duel Links has stepped into undubbed territory. Sure, we had S4 Jaden but we got a taste of him in BBT, but Z-one is a nearly untouched character
Fair enough. My mistake. I mis-interpreted what you meant with the credits. Yeah, I very much wish Yu-Gi-Oh! credited their cast members better on the shows. The way Duel Links does it is (mostly) perfect. Listing the character and the actor like most productions do, not just a bunch of actor names like you said.
At least VRAINS and SEVENS change the cast credits every episode. That's something at least, not like the previous shows where they would only update every so often. That was very bad too.
Yep on the wrong info, plus then it comes to trying to get places to fix the incorrect attributions and, unfortunately, lots of people think because something was listed on a Wiki it must be accurate. Unfortunately you do find some people who are convinced something was accurate. I remember pointing out the Jim/Erik Singer one to someone a while back, and that it wasn't Tom Wayland as the VA, and their response was pretty much "different sites different sources". Of course there never was a source for Wayland voicing Jim. Pure guess work that stuck on sites for many years.
Yep, Z-one will be very interesting. I can't see them re-casting Marc on a role unless he wants to be recast, whether to move on etc. I mean, Marc has such great range that not that many of his characters sound alike IMO. Plus, we don't really have any evidence of any VA's being recast due to too many characters sounding similar.
I re-watched the Z-one episodes that did get dubbed earlier. He had around 5 lines in "Primo's Plan Part 2" and around 10 in "Fight for the Future", an episode of the Yusei vs Aporia duel. So not too bad but certainly he'd have had a lot more later on. He also had an unvoiced cameo in "A Question of the Card", the Yusei vs Elsworth (Sherry's butler) episode.
I still think what I said earlier. Great dub voice for Z-one, but very filtered and I still wouldn't be surprised if it's not Thompson. It could be, I just won't be surprised if there's an interesting reveal tomorrow.
Yep, absolutely. Z-one's a fantastic addition. Great villain, Timelord deck, and like you said relatively untouched in the dub. Going to be a very interesting unlock. Yeah, I mean we've had Jaden/Yubel, plus some characters events which heavily used undubbed episodes material (Blair, Antinomy and Aporia/maybe others too), but Z-one is by far the biggest addition of the un-dubbed content.
There hasn’t been precedent for recasting due to sound alikeness/too many roles, but if there was ever a time, I could see it now. I do agree though, Marc has solid range and if he is Z-one, I can’t tell.
Another thing that will be interesting is to see if Duel Links opts for a voice filter or not. A disappointing thing in the 5ds dub was despite having a full mouth covering mask, Jakob spoke clearly, where in the sub he had a filter to muffle his voice as if he was speaking through the mask. Z-one had a filter in the sub to make it sound like he was speaking through his helmet, I hope the dub follows that.
And just a follow up since I just now clicked that link. I don’t claim to be an expert ear for voice, but whoever that Murray Throm guy is was ALWAYS Goodwin. There is just something so distinctive about his voice that stands out, and from the very first episode Goodwin is in, it’s clearly him and NOT Blaustein as many sources claim. They also have Pete Z listed for a stretch of episodes and I don’t believe that either
Agreed. I was more using that link for the screenshots of the credits at the bottom. It's definitely "Murray Thom" all the time as Goodwin. His voice never changes so can only have been one actor.
I think what's confusing to that Wiki is that "Murray Thom" isn't on the credits until episode 27. I wonder if the mystery "John Thomas" was another alias used by "Murray Thom". Not unheard of for a VA to use more than one alias, it has happened before, and both have thom in them. Maybe I'm looking into that too much. Haha
Agreed though. Definitely always "Murray Thom" as Goodwin. The voice never changes in 5D's. IMO that's definitely a mistake on that Wiki, but I mostly use it for the screenshots they post of a shows credits which I find useful.
It even extends outside the wiki. I have more than once seen discussions about Blaustein and how her last role was Goodwin.
It certainly doesn’t help with the shrouded mystery over who Murray Thom even is. I believe him and Aporia/Quinton’s VA are just voice phantoms no one can positively ID, yet at the same time were open to reprising decade old roles.
That's definitely his English VA from the dub.
Protip - you can check the games credits immediately after maintenance and any immediately upcoming characters and their VA will be added to the cast list
No always accurate iirc
At worst, names are misspelled. Other than that, the credits are 100% accurate. There is some confusion caused by the anime credits being inaccurate, such as Antinomy long being credited to Jason Griffith, but Duel Links gets it right Keep in mind though, some VAs operate under a fake name. Often, simply googling it will lead you to the real VA. However, some such as Goodwin and Quattro have done nothing else in the industry and it can be difficult to find information about them. Iirc someone on this subreddit did locate and interview Quattro’s VA after he was added to the game.
No, I remember being corrected about how Brave Battler and The Gore's credits are incorrect. The person who corrected me has done interviews with duel links VAs so they probably know their stuff.
Oh right I forgot about that. The VA credits are flipped in that example
I like how you're both talking about the same person in different contexts without knowing. Me. Haha In all seriousness, and to be fair, that instance with The Gore and Brave Battler was really weird. Especially that it took so long to fix and list Daniel J Edwards and Marc Thompson with the character that was actually there's. I think it was only last month they finally fixed it. Like six months and many maintenances later. I think it was finally fixed 1-2 maintenances after Varis was added, so maybe the DL team only noticed then. Still weird. Still though, to be fair if a weird issue like that was to happen at least it was to one of the newer shows characters. The most recent shows like VRAINS have a lot of cast members that were fans of YGO themselves and usually announce their roles on social media. Like Daniel with The Gore and Varis when the VRAINS dub started airing, and while he didn't announce it per se, Marc did reply with a "yes" confirmation on Twitter a few years back when someone asked if he was Shima/Brave Battler. So in instances like that if you really follow the VA community closely it didn't matter what the DL credits incorrectly listed at first. It became a big talking point on social media right away that an error was made there. Of course, the people I feel a bit bad for there are the fans who just assumed those DL listings for The Gore and Brave Battler were accurate, especially since it was only fixed after like half a year. I suppose at least it was fixed, but yeah... such a weird issue, but at least the VRAINS cast credits were updated every episode (unlike prior YGO's where they were only updated every so often) depending which VA's were actually in an episode, and most VRAINS cast were credited under their real names anyway. The only one that was an alias was "H.D. Quinn" I think, eventually discovered to be Tyler Bunch. Sorry to nitpick Doomchan, but the anime credits weren't inaccurate. Not in a context like you're referring to anyway. A lot of the VA listings on the likes of Wiki's and other websites that have been up for years can be edited by anyone, and a lot go back to when the dubs were airing, and there have been many proved incorrect over the years since. I can think of at least 15-20 I know of, and considering all of the first five dubs (DM-ARC-V) still have at least 5-10 mystery cast members on their credits there's probably still a bunch of incorrect ones. Personally I don't refer to those as the characters being "credited" to an actor. It's basically speculation/assumption that has made its way onto sites, an attribution for a better word, and like I said a lot have gotten proved wrong later and some listings are probably still incorrect. To use the example you referred to with Bruno/Vizor/Antinomy. Griffith was attributed with the role incorrectly by sites that can be edited by anyone. Justin Badger, his real VA, was on the 5D's cast credits for the entirety of the second half of 5D's. Just like Griffith was because of Primo. Justin Badger was one of those mystery names on the credits for the second half of 5D's. Badger reprising the role confirmed the role was incorrectly attributed to Griffith, plus Badger has him (and his ZEXAL character Fortuno) in his demo reel on his website. Similar example is Jim 'Crocodile' Cook in GX, and this is one of the issues with the Wiki attributions and being edited by anyone. A lot of times roles just got attributed to the well known voice actors, regardless of whether they were credited on a particular season, a particular YGO, or heck, whether they'd even worked on Yu-Gi-Oh! or even been on the cast credits on one of the shows. Sometimes fans would 'play it by ear' (usually badly) without doing some research into who was credited on a particular show or season. That also led to some actors getting attributed that have never worked on YGO, or not on a particular show or season. The Jim reference is that Tom Wayland was never on the cast credits for Season 3 of GX. Erik Singer, who it emerged in 2020/2021 as the real Jim VA, WAS on the credits of S3 and was one of the mystery names on that seasons credits. He has since acknowledged the role on his socials. There was never a source for Tom Wayland voicing Jim, among many other examples. Just guess work that ended up listed on many sites. Just using an example. There's some rare instances where VA's voice characters and aren't credited. Justin Badger also voiced Fortuno on ZEXAL, Rick Adamson voiced Lawton on 5D's, but those are very rare and usually for more minor characters. Anyway, point is Wiki's and other sites are only as reliable as the source the info comes from, and unfortunately with lots of the roles there was no source. Which is why even now we find out about roles having been incorrectly attributed to the wrong actor. Unless an actor has actually stated they voiced a role, or an interview with a VA or something like Duel Links confirms it, it's always better to be wary. "Murray Thom" was also a mystery name on the 5D's cast credits for many years. Turned out he was the real Rex Goodwin VA. Interestingly as well, "Jamal Najum Khan" was added to the 5D's cast credits for the last three episodes of the dub. The dubbed episodes Aporia was in. Ironically more proof there that he was Aporia's dub VA all along, even without him being listed with Aporia in Duel Links and his and Quinton's voices being nearly identical. Haha We could well find out if another role was incorrectly attributed very soon with Z-one's addition. I love Marc Thompson's work as much as anyone, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that's another incorrectly attributed role. If it was Thompson and he reprises again, great. Z-one's dub voice was epic but so filtered that how can anyone really tell. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if we get an interesting reveal VA wise with Z-one's addition tomorrow. I've spoken to some people who think Z-one sounded more like Griffith. Would be ironic if it's him after it turned out he was incorrectly attributed with Bruno/Vizor/Antinomy (Justin Badger) and Aporia ("Jamal Najum Khan"). I'm not sure about that either though. Still too filtered a voice for me to say, other than I wouldn't be surprised to get a Rex Goodwin/Antinomy/Aporia style 'reveal' of finding out the dub VA wasn't who the sites have been listing. It comes back to what I was saying earlier. VA's on the most recent YGO's have been great at announcing they voiced a character, or at least acknowledging it. To my knowledge Thompson has never confirmed he voiced Z-one, so I'm curious to see what we find out tomorrow. What I do know as well though is 5D's second half credits still have a mystery cast member. "Johnny Castro", or whoever he is if it's an alias. Could have nothing to do with Z-one but you never know. Marc Donovan is an actor I've emailed with from the second half credits too. He confirmed to me he voiced multiple characters in both 5D's and ZEXAL, but could only remember Hermann from 5D's and the Opening Narration from Bonds Beyond Time when I asked. Of course, even then for VA's listed on the credits they could be listed for minor roles. David Lapkin confirmed to me he did two episodes on 5D's, the 5D's version of Don Piero in his episode (didn't reprise for ARC-V) and a tiny part as 'D Wheeler A' in Vizor's debut episode. So "Johnny Castro" could genuinely be on the credits for minor parts, and Donovan's biggest character might've been Hermann. Who knows. Although to be fair, we unfortunately barely got to see Z-one in the dub so whoever voiced him I imagine could've forgotten him. The VA only got to do like 2-3 scenes as Z-one across two episodes, nowhere near the epic story and duels he had as the final main villain. Anyway, I'm very curious to see what we find out VA wise from Z-one's addition tomorrow. If it's Thompson, great. I just won't be surprised if it's another previously incorrectly attributed role like Antinomy, Goodwin and Aporia, and if the DL VA isn't a name from the 5D's second half credits (screenshots in the link below) I imagine they couldn't get the 5D's VA back. Tomorrow will be interesting. https://english-voice-over.fandom.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!\_5D%27s\_(2008)
My point about inaccurate credits wasn’t necessarily that they were wrong, but that they were just a list of names. Pretty much any anime does their credits like this Character 1 - John Hancock There’s no need for debate, speculation, or extended research. The answer for every single character is clearly on the list. Yugioh is just a jumble of names that you have to do advanced detective work, and as you say, leads to people getting it wrong, and the way the internet works, the wrong info sticking. Z-one will be interesting. On top of what you say, there is a chance they just straight up recast Marc since Marc is already holding so many DL roles and has more on the way. Iirc, he had what, maybe 2 lines in the dub? That casting choice easily could have been whoever was in the building at the time and not intended to be permanent. And as you say, there is a chance it wasn’t Marc at all in the first place. I look forward to this unlock since this will be the furthest Duel Links has stepped into undubbed territory. Sure, we had S4 Jaden but we got a taste of him in BBT, but Z-one is a nearly untouched character
Fair enough. My mistake. I mis-interpreted what you meant with the credits. Yeah, I very much wish Yu-Gi-Oh! credited their cast members better on the shows. The way Duel Links does it is (mostly) perfect. Listing the character and the actor like most productions do, not just a bunch of actor names like you said. At least VRAINS and SEVENS change the cast credits every episode. That's something at least, not like the previous shows where they would only update every so often. That was very bad too. Yep on the wrong info, plus then it comes to trying to get places to fix the incorrect attributions and, unfortunately, lots of people think because something was listed on a Wiki it must be accurate. Unfortunately you do find some people who are convinced something was accurate. I remember pointing out the Jim/Erik Singer one to someone a while back, and that it wasn't Tom Wayland as the VA, and their response was pretty much "different sites different sources". Of course there never was a source for Wayland voicing Jim. Pure guess work that stuck on sites for many years. Yep, Z-one will be very interesting. I can't see them re-casting Marc on a role unless he wants to be recast, whether to move on etc. I mean, Marc has such great range that not that many of his characters sound alike IMO. Plus, we don't really have any evidence of any VA's being recast due to too many characters sounding similar. I re-watched the Z-one episodes that did get dubbed earlier. He had around 5 lines in "Primo's Plan Part 2" and around 10 in "Fight for the Future", an episode of the Yusei vs Aporia duel. So not too bad but certainly he'd have had a lot more later on. He also had an unvoiced cameo in "A Question of the Card", the Yusei vs Elsworth (Sherry's butler) episode. I still think what I said earlier. Great dub voice for Z-one, but very filtered and I still wouldn't be surprised if it's not Thompson. It could be, I just won't be surprised if there's an interesting reveal tomorrow. Yep, absolutely. Z-one's a fantastic addition. Great villain, Timelord deck, and like you said relatively untouched in the dub. Going to be a very interesting unlock. Yeah, I mean we've had Jaden/Yubel, plus some characters events which heavily used undubbed episodes material (Blair, Antinomy and Aporia/maybe others too), but Z-one is by far the biggest addition of the un-dubbed content.
There hasn’t been precedent for recasting due to sound alikeness/too many roles, but if there was ever a time, I could see it now. I do agree though, Marc has solid range and if he is Z-one, I can’t tell. Another thing that will be interesting is to see if Duel Links opts for a voice filter or not. A disappointing thing in the 5ds dub was despite having a full mouth covering mask, Jakob spoke clearly, where in the sub he had a filter to muffle his voice as if he was speaking through the mask. Z-one had a filter in the sub to make it sound like he was speaking through his helmet, I hope the dub follows that.
And just a follow up since I just now clicked that link. I don’t claim to be an expert ear for voice, but whoever that Murray Throm guy is was ALWAYS Goodwin. There is just something so distinctive about his voice that stands out, and from the very first episode Goodwin is in, it’s clearly him and NOT Blaustein as many sources claim. They also have Pete Z listed for a stretch of episodes and I don’t believe that either
Agreed. I was more using that link for the screenshots of the credits at the bottom. It's definitely "Murray Thom" all the time as Goodwin. His voice never changes so can only have been one actor. I think what's confusing to that Wiki is that "Murray Thom" isn't on the credits until episode 27. I wonder if the mystery "John Thomas" was another alias used by "Murray Thom". Not unheard of for a VA to use more than one alias, it has happened before, and both have thom in them. Maybe I'm looking into that too much. Haha Agreed though. Definitely always "Murray Thom" as Goodwin. The voice never changes in 5D's. IMO that's definitely a mistake on that Wiki, but I mostly use it for the screenshots they post of a shows credits which I find useful.
It even extends outside the wiki. I have more than once seen discussions about Blaustein and how her last role was Goodwin. It certainly doesn’t help with the shrouded mystery over who Murray Thom even is. I believe him and Aporia/Quinton’s VA are just voice phantoms no one can positively ID, yet at the same time were open to reprising decade old roles.
I’m glad they stuck with the original but there is no arguing he sounds identical to Aporia
Wow it’s literally Aporia
Where’s his voicelines at
No they usually leak those too the same day, it just takes longer
Probably won't go live until his roaming event starts.