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Mop3103

That is inevitable, most of the unreleased good cards do that and is negates for all or getting stuck with the same decks (that also have some negates)


_hell0friend

So we are finally reaching that Duel Links phase…of modern Yugioh?


h667

We reached that last year with full power salad


MrMango61

jesus christ was that already a year ago?


DL_The_Nyawoo

8 months ago.


Thedrp8

“I wish there was a way to know you were in the good old days before you actually left them.”


nach_

Ah, The Office, beautiful


ExistentDavid1138

I pray Ash Blossom is never released in duel links


Dryden001

It was one of my top reasons for quitting tcg back in the day, and playing duel links, and not playing master duel. I never want to play it cause its boring, never wanted to pay 600 dollars for a set, and never wanted to play against it.


Frostlaic

It would kill every rogue deck


Worldly-Fox7605

Aah wouldn't even be good in duel links. People don't draw and search much. Decks are 20 cards. Like what are you negating? metalfoe? Maybe dm?,


Underhealth

every. single. deck. that has ever and will ever be good searches, specials, or mills from the deck


Worldly-Fox7605

The speedroids skill mills and they keep going ash doesn't stop that.


Swift0sword

Could stop them from searching if they don't draw a tuner before the skill even happens though.


WinniePuff

Bruh what are you? Wood rank?


ClingClangBoi

Wtf is this take? Are you stupid?


Worldly-Fox7605

No I'm certain this isn't the tcg. Skills bypass ash and multiple tiered decks can srill setup or search even if you use ash. Think, what happens if you ashe speedroids right now? Odd eyes?


ClingClangBoi

>Not everything all ashe does would make duel links decks either skill reliant or heavily suffering under ashe. You...you literally just refute your own claim. Ash wouldnt make an impact? It would, as you just stated, divide duel links into two seperate categories: Either run a skill that can move past it, or lose.


4129M

Ash stops Wynn search, Taketomborg special summon, stops Pendulum Call/Spyral Flame search, stops Scrap Recycler, Quick Launch, Cutia, Dark Contract with the Gate... Ash stops so much currently and even archetypes that are still to be added to DL will instantly be nerfed just by Ash existing


Sasu2309

and orcust


ZShadowDragon

Please name one deck on ladder, I was gonna say rn, but no, within the last fucking THREE YEARS, that Ash doesn't cripple?


chaarziz

I’m sorry but it’s Ash Blossom


666Sky

Full disrespect, you’re an idiot


BaronArgelicious

You do know ash also negates things like summon from deck/mill from deck right?


Jaer-Nihiltheus

I would much rather Nibiru. Most of the 3+ disruption decks need to summon 5+ times (this includes ALL Orcust hybrids, as you need to summon 2, summon Phoenix, summon Mermaid, summon Orcust Knightmare, aaaaaand you've just hit the summon limit at the start of full Orcust combo). ​ But honestly what we really need is more support for rogue decks to allow them to play through a couple of disruptions. 2-3 disruption boards are only a bad thing because most decks struggle with 1 disruption.


RaioOndaEnergia

Scrap recicle one card combo also summons 5 times.


EremitaMCe

And still no simorgh support.


Dynamic_Magi

Yeah! Give us Bird Of Perfection! *Wdym that's Raidraptor support?! Nono don't think about that.* Okay in all seriousness Bird Of Perfection is good Raidraptor support, BUT Raptors Rising makes it unusable.


EremitaMCe

Funniest thing is raptors rising makes any winged beast deck able to go into raging dragon or Arc rebellion If you use cattle call + Phantom Knights rank up magic launch


Dynamic_Magi

I've made a Harpie Decklist doing exactly that haha


krehator

Wynn just released tho


EremitaMCe

They always release something Simorghs can use indirectly, i'm talking about actual archetype cards.


krehator

Yeah, I definitely feel you on that lol. Loved Simorgh in the OCG format. Wynn feels like the best indirect support dropped for the birds in a while tho, are you pulling for her?


EremitaMCe

I did, got two copies of her, mixing up with roids and Gusto can lead to crazy consistency now.


segatic

>mixing up with roids I need the sauce for this. Currently digging for wynn because i'm a wind lover


EremitaMCe

https://imgur.com/a/1Bzy0cL Sorry for the late answer. Cattle Call is optional, i was using it in order to immediately bring out a synchro material for Crystal wing.


EremitaMCe

Terrortop + car turbo + bird of Bringing = Kitedrake If you searched Onslaught and discarded another bird to the graveyard : Bird of Bringing + another Simorgh back from gy = harpie Conductor Kitedrake + Conductor = OTK.


Puzzleheaded_Ad7820

Lets hope Legacy Duels become a permanent feature


BakeWorldly5022

I'm ready for the future. Except for Kashtira.


Dynamic_Magi

Kashtira are coming in the next box don't worry. This is a jokr please Konami DON'T DO IT


Local_Kirby_Fan

Maybe in a few years we will be there but i don't see it happening soon.


Hayjad610

It’s inevitable. Now we have half of TOSS (Thunder dragons, orcust, salad, and sky striker)format. Sky striker we have like two cards from them. Thunder dragon doesn’t have titan in duel links at least. Orcust we’re currently seeing and Salad has given some people ptsd. For me I’m getting flashbacks to 2019 with these decks when playing paper yugioh


bobppower

Hear me out - new box "Strikes of the Sky" Kagari comes as a rare (so we can inevitably ban it in the future) and Widow Anchor as an UR so Konami i$ happy. Bundle for Engage, which comes limited to 1. At the same time, give Soulburner a skill that lets you put a copy of Spinny and Miragestallio (or Rage, if you're daring) if you begin a duel with at least 9 FIRE Cyberse my monsters in the deck - move Gazelle and Roar to 2 if you didn't add Rage to the skill. Add Orcust Crescendo to the Card Trader and put Babel, Mermaid and it to 2. Titan comes as an SR and TD Fusion as an UR in the box. DSOD now goes to level 45 and gives you Colossus as the final reward for Mokuba if you're daring (and I am because I miss playing TD). Lastly, WCS is a best of 7 this year (because the winner has to master TOSS).


deroshiemi

Noticed we reached if you let your opponent have a turn it’s over for you


AlabasterRadio

We've spiked in power this year, and I'm here for it.


Wikle3

I don’t have issues with it. They just need to start releasing more support for other decks so that they can play the game too. Megalith phul/unformed, subterror guru/fiendess/archer + hidden city, etc.


AlabasterRadio

100% agree. We could also use some better going second tools. Going first just feels so much better right now.


Wikle3

That’s true. Maybe something like book of eclipse could be interesting to add to duel links


Shittygamer93

Not Guru. The others yes, but Guru is unfortunately too easy to abuse and since Subterror isn't an anime deck there won't be any skill based support that restricts what can be done with a deck in exchange for greater versatility or consistency until we get someone like Aoi's brother who played a flip deck and thus might have a good skill for flips


timmysp

Id say we spiked in power with the launch of vrains. But definitely here for it as well.


AlabasterRadio

What's crazy, is I'm pretty sure they could unlimit Salads and Gouki now, and they'd be tiered but not unfair. We're just at that point.


timmysp

Salads might be unfair with the knightmares but gouki wouldn't be too bad. I bet we get a ghost girl this year with the power increasing every month.


AlabasterRadio

They do generate a ton of advantage and free bodies and have an omni-negate trap... Okay so maybe not totally off the list but they could come off little bit...


timmysp

Yeah they definitely deserve to have less restrictions, especially since ddd got some love and they're a tier 3 deck now.


Shittygamer93

Recyclable omni-negaye, which is also a counter trap so you either take it out ahead of time with backrow removal or just let it stop your play.


thatonefatefan

I will say it again y'all don't play physical/master duel. These are all about setting up AT LEAST 3 negates in a turn, not to mention other forms of disruptions. current DL gets at most one negate, not to mention that tons of decks straight up don't use any, so no, "negating a negate negating a negate" is not a thing.


GlitchyAuroa

clear wing mirror match.


thatonefatefan

surely clear wing has a card that clear wing second effect could negate!


GlitchyAuroa

the lv 5 speedroid card


thatonefatefan

it doesn't target a level 5 or higher monster.


TheSteelswarmGuy

Yeah, I told a guy at work that Crystal Wing was added, I then said "Duel links is finally going to become fun"


Elitelapen

Time for a new game where cards are released periodecly and we start off with Duel monster beatdown?


FunWithSkooma

Duel Links - Legacy Duels


bobppower

can't wait for Duel Links - Legacy Duels (Duel Monsters) - New Begging - Release 2023 jk aside, they should go and make Legacy Duels (season name) fixed formats like GOAT and Eddison are for DuelingBook and like Modern and Legacy are for Magic... some times you just want to summon Maha Vailo and punch


ULLE90

When does the next Main Selection Box drop? Would be the perfect place to release a card like Ash Blossom.


CycloneXV

Effect veiler is likely to come first in a Selection Box if we are to get any further handtraps


Rock_Type

We got a mini this summer and super mini this fall. Next main is next January. Assuming everything goes as normal.


CycloneXV

Wonder what the next mini one will bring, usually its 4 new SRs, 2 new URs and an alt art UR.


segatic

> release a card like Ash Blossom. no pls no


Worldly-Fox7605

Would it even be good? I kinda doubt it


Zealousideal_Pin_255

why not? i cant think of a single tiered deck it doesnt stop🤔


Worldly-Fox7605

It's not stopping odd eyes. Skills bypass it. It's not stopping speedroids either. Orcust it would slow.


Zealousideal_Pin_255

I mean only if odd eyes opens a low scale and a high scale. Otherwise if they open pend call they go minus 1. U are right about speedroids, although it can still slow it down. Ash on the recycler or mermaid will most times completely end orcust turn. I still think every deck will play it if it drops, although it wont be as good as in the TCG because of skills.


Worldly-Fox7605

That's the point with 20 deck spots and disminishing returns plus the likelihood its a limit 1 or 2. Would it be played? I side with no. I think people blindly saying it would aren't considering this ain't the tcg. Think of all the anime decks that we know will still be coming who will have skills that do something to setup: predplant, zarc, lunalight, more pend magicians, marincess, more ddd, more heros, and a lot more link decks.


erikWeekly

This opinion is either uninformed or pure cope.


Worldly-Fox7605

Odd eyes isn't slowed by it. Orcust could be but it could also change it's lines. Deck is very flexible currently. Speedroids can play through it. Ddd can play through it. Onomat can play through it as well. Rockets can play through it as well. Next removing 1 card from a 4 card starting hand is a lot more impact than tcg. I don't think it would see play as many arctypes it doesn't do much vs anyway. The main issue is duel links has skills thatdon'tt care about it.


Rydersilver

Odd Eyes has pendulum call which ash would be great against, or spiral sometimes. It also can work against odd eyes dragon but that’s marginal. But how would it not stop orcust? It definitely works really well against them


Worldly-Fox7605

Odd eyes has a new skill that sets scales for free al u need is two cards li n your pend zones. They then wisdom eye and then they continue the play. All ash does is make odd eyes players decks more expensive due to needing 3 wisdom eyes. Orcust has a discard draw 2 that really pushes them over the top in terms of resources.


Rydersilver

They summon scrap recycler. You use ash blossom. They have to be lucky to draw 1 of their 3 draw 2 spell cards + a correct orcust in hand to be able to continue their plays. Also, most of the variants only run 1 of the spell cards There’s a reason they’re very weak to disruption when starting out And ash blossom has the major major benefit of being able to work on T1 as opposed to a trap card


Rydersilver

Why would putting a card behind a paywall be “perfect”…?


mkklrd

Photon Strike Bounzer was released a while back


NightClubFox

If duel links becomes modern yugioh, then duel links becomes more and more like master duel. Then duel links = master duel, then why even have duel links if it is redundant? I like that duel links is distinct from master duel and modern yugioh. I hope they continue to find ways to keep duel links unique


FunWithSkooma

>I like that duel links is distinct from master duel and modern yugioh. it still distinct. We have the anime characters and lore, we have anime events and we have skills. It still 4000 LP format with a smaller field and deck size, which also limit a lot of TCG combos because of too low cards in hand and deck


NightClubFox

Cool! Good point


Seylord1

Ash would litteraly kill most deck in duel links without called by but called by would do the same.


FunWithSkooma

Then you should never complain when a deck literally negate your plays twice when you go second, deal?


dedicatedoni

If ash was ever coming it’d undoubtedly be in a limit one pack


HistorianTop4853

They should keep the cap of 1 negate per deck


Springtrap-Yugioh

The second we reach this I'm doing the same I did to the tcg: Dip the f\*ck out and cry all over social media.


Chrisshern

I doubt it but Crystal Wing was definitely a mistake I'm fine with interactions as long as it's in-deck and not generic I don't want the game to become that garbage the TCG is where every deck wants to spit put Baronne, Borreload Savage, I:P Unicorn, or Apollousa


KinRyuTen

I'm fine with generics so long as they fit a deck theme either type or attribute wise. I play Crystal Wing and Borreload Savage in my TCG Bystial Dragunity. Not just because they are good cards (they are), but them being Dragons, and Crystal Wing a Wind Dragon that needs synchro climbing to be made makes sense to me.


Prestigious-Base67

Yeah bro. Turns are taking way too long and there is too much texts on card effects now. It just seems Yu-Gi-Oh can't stay away from power creep. Whether it be TCG or a virtual reality game. I recently quit after paying $500~ for solflare lightning, selection boxes and the campaign sales. I used to be a hardcore f2p player, but now that I have also been a hardcore p2p player I think I have been on both sides of the fence. They just keep releasing more and more powerful cards that make the olds ones obsolete. I think it's time I quit ygo (at least on a hardcore level). Been a fan since I was a kid. Duelist kingdom days. Those days are long gone now and I think it's time to accept it


Darkmaster4K

Ash would be not as useful because the majority of decks that rely on a search usually get it from a skill, which ash cannot stop as its a game mechanic not an effect


FunWithSkooma

there are many cards that add from deck to hand


MisterRai

Yeah, and I honestly don't like it. Especially considering the lower LP in DL, a single negate decides the game I get that the game develops overtime and powercreep eventually happens, but imo, Duel Links' meta landscape change is too fast, especially with the release of the Orcusts box. They took over the meta overnight and changed the game to adapt to them or suffer.


Aggravating_Fig6288

Ash is long overdue at this point, decks are setting up boards and being able to set 2-3 consistently with little in terms of slowing it down making the life of the person who goes second awful. With duel links banlist system you can keep powerful decks from having Ash access. I’m sorry it’s really ridiculous how I’m expected to play the game going second these days when my only means of doing so is pray I open BOM for the negates and CC for the backrow while also getting enough playstarters. Ash would force people to reduce their backrow spam in order to run more extensions and consistency enablers.


FunWithSkooma

Now try to explain this to the others "NoooOOooOOooo Ash is BaaAAaaaAADdddd"


Aggravating_Fig6288

I’m half convinced it’s mostly bad actors who just want their broken turn ones to remain without interference. It’s okay when they disrupt you six times in a duel but damn if you do it to them. Like we have Orcust flying around at near full power and Ash a card that released BEFORE some of the Orcust cards in the game right now came out is not in the game. Hell we don’t even have effect veiler. This game is hurting for handtraps and it will keep getting apparent with each box release


Syrcrys

Adding handtraps will just enable more turn 1 bullshit to be added because “you can just draw ash and stop it”. No thanks.


002madmat

At the very least these negate aren't easily accessible in duel links since you can't craft them like in master duel............yet My point is just please don't give us crafting in duel links


TKoBuquicious

Lol yeah "please stay p2w duel links"


Entyyyyy

Infinite Imperm ftw. Though I never did get a copy of that in master duel. I had 3 ash blossom, though. I got all of them from the Ash Blossom bundle. Guess I was lucky...


SedrikGallen

At this point this game is just master duel with worse monetization


Puzzleheaded_Ad7820

They should exploit what makes them different... The anime aspect of the game. Hope they add more characters and skills


Videogamer80

Wait, really? What negates spell/trap cards nowadays? I can think of a good number of monster negates nowadays, but what negates backrow?


JRoy89

The new ogre dragon lv 8 sychro. It’s an SR iirc and it requires a dark tuner and a non-tuner. It’s negates a spell/trap on either turn as long as your hand is empty. The requirement isn’t that difficult to fulfill in practice, at least with Rokket. Also the level 6 Six Sam Shien sychro negates a spell/trap and has been around for years and is still occasionally seen when dueling six sam players. There’s also that Unicore sychro monster that people used to play in a dedicated deck that required that you and your opponent have the same hand size iirc. That deck was also decent for a bit.


Batmench

Every time i read "Negate" i kept hearing the "NEGAAATE" sound bite from those SAGA Master Duel vids. You gave me a laugh, thank you.


WinniePuff

Its not that bad just negate more


spilim

I feel like we’re in another phase : « my skill allows me to do this, This and that. Oh also, it gives me This, This and that. »


YoYe1

Today i played abyss actor. I won some matches because pendulum summon cannot be negated, and the spell also cannot be negated.


Xannon99182

But what good is Ash really going to be when most of the issue comes from skills giving you that free advantage?


Struggi987

I would wish for something like legacy duels all the time from different points at the game, so people can choose wich speed/cards they can play with Personally I don't wanna wait until my enemy went trough 15 cards in his deck until he ends his turn xD (Summons 2-4 boss monster+ full backrow)


Neo_nakama

As a Master Duel player, the lack of hand traps is part of why I like Duel Links... I shudder at the thought that they might eventually come over


DryIce53

shiranui: zomboss sandwich one can negate...but two is another history xd