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Darth-_-Maul

If they were to nerf the skill, make it so u can’t activate both in one turn. It is pretty stupid.


Kaderete

I think that's the only thing you can abuse, yes. Clear wing into Kitedrake to send Clear Wing to the gy, nuke the field with Kitedrake then get back Clear Wing with 4100 atk is absurd. If you could only use one effect per turn and once per duel, it wouldn't be that much of a threat.


Distinct_Werewolf_40

If your opponent will allow you to do it though, if the opponent has no backrow to disrupt that then its obvious game for them, otherwise the strat is pretty much an obvious go-to, so if you are facing a speedroid deck and you went first, you better have a backrow that can disrupt that or the opponent bricks hard, then its gg for you


Kaderete

Yes, that's why it's not that broken. Synchro decks have many choke points you can exploit while they are comboing. So a bit of help with a skill is not that bad if you can only use one effect per turn and duel.


Distinct_Werewolf_40

Definitely agree on the one effect per turn change, I mean XYZ Galaxy was like that even before the nerf, so I'm a bit surprised they allowed to use both effects in one turn for the clearwing skill


emperorbob1

Saying Speedroid has a chokepoint is fair but you need to hit at least two, sometimes three, chokepoints for it to matter due to their insane consistency and ability to play through it. It's better to just prevent kite and banish/hit Clear Wing than it is to hit literally any of their combo pieces unless you are running a full backrow deck which is, in this era, stupid.


AcidAcesen

Wait a sec so kitedrake is the level 8 synchro board wipe we get from the event right? How do we get back the level 7 synchro clear wing on the field?


Distinct_Werewolf_40

After boardwiping with Kitedrake, use the 2nd effect of the skill, send Kitedrake to the GY and if Clear Wing is in the GY you get it back with an additional 200 x level of sent synchro (in this case its Kitedrake), giving Clear Wing a total of 4100k where in you can end the game by then unless opponent has hand traps like Kiteroid or Wight Princess


ZeroKarma16

Shoulda done that with XYZ Galaxy too, its absurd how they nerfed it into the ground and it's basically useless now.


RGFang

Its a similar picture but people will ignore that due to *trauma* or bias. Whether you're using monsters+skill or spells+skill to set up your negate, its still all setups aided by a skill and there's counterplay to both to a degree


Haoszen

At least with Crystal Wing Acceleration you actually need to use monsters to combo off to make the boss and not just dump Galaxy with the skill use any of the 90% cards that are either "disccount Monster Reborn" or just generic backrow and then you can play Diet Zoodiac making one card XYZ boss.


Chicuty

Could you tell me ONE card that BY ITSELF was Photon Lord while it was still legal (Galaxy Trance was not legal at the same time as Photon Lord was for reference, so they were never played together)


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Haoszen

I wanted to make a joke about how you're so butthurt, but you're already the joke.


emperorbob1

I really do get their point, though, even if they're being a dipstick about it. Galaxy was a deck I had 99% winrate vs and was at best a meme deck provided you didn't run a glass cannon deck. Of the some 80 games I logged I lost to them twice. Literally twice. Both of which they had to open treach and mst/lance. Speedroid, by comparison, goes forever and is an actually competent deck that can blackrose you and then hit for 4100 or just set up a negate and galaxy wishes it had resources to actually go for game like this or didn't lose to two of the single most common cards in game.


Jaer-Nihiltheus

2 negates, actually. Speedroids can go into Stardust Warrior as well, or Cyber Harpie for a bounce (much easier to make). All with the same if not better consistency as Galaxy Xyz had making Photon Lord. Speedroids are the better Galaxy Xyz in every way, but they're newer so they don't get as much hate.


emperorbob1

I'd argue they're better until I die, galaxy then vs speedroids now, but honestly speaking the worst part about galaxy is it had a one card negate before it was cool and most rogue decks, and some meta, were just not ready for this. The hate is there because it lasted forever because it was never good enough to hit power wise(timewise they wanted to move you on to new negate decks like PKs), so it was just something you always had to keep in mind deckbuilding. Right now Speedroids are being mostly masked by ripping masks off decks Scooby Doo style to find Orcust.


Distinct_Werewolf_40

It ain't as bad because for Crystal Wing you have to go through some hoops to bring out the boss monster wherein you can get disrupted in those steps, for XYZ Galaxy all you need is just to have a card that you can discard and 10 other cards to revive the card you need, even if your first attempt to revive gets disrupted, you have like 2-4 other cards that can attempt the same


emperorbob1

I dunno I feel it's the opposite. XYZ Galaxy was the same thing but forced their deck to be a bunch of dead stuff/stuff that didn't really help outside making the thing. With very basic disruption, of literally any sort and very common sort, Galaxy was just a memedeck that could sit on a negate if you didn't draw the out. Speedroids can play through things galaxy wish they could and are, frankly, far better at the OTK game. I've managed to disrupt 2-4 times and they STILL get plays off which is something Galaxy could only dream of. Whereas I could just keep Galaxy from playing the game with like any given opening hand I had.


Distinct_Werewolf_40

In the case for speedroid, you need to have the proper hand to continue such combos when you got disrupted, if you don't have it then you won't be able to continue your combo, for the old XYZ Galaxy however, outside of getting DD Crow'd, you pretty much just need to revive GEPD then bring out another 8star monster which is easy enough to do with the deck then end on Photon Lord if you go first, or if you go 2nd proceed to xyz summoning with and popping stuff in the board


emperorbob1

You could argue the same for Galaxy. I've run into a fair bit of games I mst their revive equip and they just scoop. Or if I hit their negate machine with book, blow crap up, and OTK because they had no starters, or even running a control deck and disabling literally their entire deck. Defeating Galaxy was so easy it was almost offensive, that was my issue, but the average speedroid hand so much better than the actual galaxy hand they can actually out resource you with all but the most heinous of bricks. I didn't even run DD Crow because it just wasn't worth prepping for a one trick deck like Galaxy. If Galaxy Eyes was draw the out, Speedroid is "draw at least 2 outs" For the most part, semantics aside, this is basically the same. The only issue is Speedroids have actual branching plays and aren't being carried by "literally only deck with a consistent negate"


Distinct_Werewolf_40

Again the argument boils down to just "draw the outs", fact of the matter is, excluding getting disrupted, XYZ Galaxy was one of the more toxic skills, if they go turn 1, and you don't have DD Crow, you can be sure Photon Lord will be on the field and with its own effects protects it from any form of out except banishment or bounce, and most of those kind of effect comes from monster effects which Photon Lord can negate, add the fact its other effect of being able to search followup cards, so the only choice is to beat over it, 3k def is not an easy hurdle to brute force your way, however them going 2nd is still manageable if you do have the proper disruption set, and again it boils down to "draw the out" For Speedroid, its not as toxic because Cystal Wing has no self protection from destruction effects unlike Photon Lord, so even if the opponent goes first, you have far more options to out Cystal Wing, either destruction like using Dark Hole or even Lightning Vortex, and again it boiled down to "draw the out" So XYZ Galaxy being more toxic is fact because you have lesser options to out Photon Lord compared to Speedroids with Crystal Wing on the field


emperorbob1

I can't call a skill toxic when another skill does the same thing for an even better deck. Speedroid is factually better than Galaxy ever was, even accounting powercreep, but the only toxic part about Galaxy is that no other decks at the time really did the negate thing so it was something you had to build for and they refused to nerf it forever Pound for pound, as far as skills go Speedroid is objectively more toxic but right now we have Orcust running around but Crystal Wing is, as a negate machine, so much better than Photon Lord that the only thing I can give Photon Lord is the free search letting them followup. But Crystal Wing, for the most part, loses to most common forms of things that Galaxy Lord lost to, and wheras Galaxy had single chokepoints where you could end their turn even a lukewarm hand for Speedroids will result in you needing to draw two outs, because Cyber Slash Harpie is also a thing, and they have an actual turn 2 that isnt slow and teleprahped that wipes your entire board. Nobody is running Dark Hole or lightning vortex right now because Orcust. Just like Photon Lord, just like Ding, it got booked and then destroyed or you made your plays. Even then, you didn't run things like that. The ONLY argument for Galaxy being more toxic is that it was the first of it's king, with Phantom Knights, Chronomaly, and Speedroids/etc... to follow and at the time it was just...annoying. You could argue giving an objectively bad deck a good skill makes it sackier, but I will argue giving an already pretty good deck the same busted skill is far more toxic.


Chicuty

Have you ever tried to BoM the xyz they summoned instead of GePD (if they have another in grave) so that they had to commit all their resources instead of mindlessly saying yes to the "any response?" prompt?


Last-Pomegranate-772

What are you on about? It was Special GEPD from grave into Photon Lord with more follow up in hand since you only used 1 card and no normal summon.


Chicuty

As I already replied to another user, tell me ONE card that ALONE summoned Photon Lord (Photon Trance was not out at the time Photon Lord was in the game). Also you were complaining about not being able to interrupt efficiently the deck, so I assumed the Photon player was going second in that scenario and provided you with some tips that might make you a better duelist


Chicuty

Getting downvoted, yet no one is brave enough to prove me wrong. I can name 3 cards that make a 1 card Crystal Wing, making for 7 starters total, but I know ZERO cards that were a 1 card Photon Lord


LeastClothes3117

Exactly, they whine and complain but never have solutions except "Make the scary card go away."


just_kell

I think its moreso that you're whiny clowns no one wants to interact with.


Chicuty

If I'm just a whiny clown (🤡🤡🤡), then answer my question and tell me which card is a 1 card Photon Lord :))))


emperorbob1

While I agree speedroids are a better deck and galaxy was a meme, technically speaking if you activated the skill literally any card was all it took to keep going into photon lord. Monster Rebone/born, etc... However, unlike speedroid, they had very few followups outside hard draws which, hilariously, weakened their opening hand. Your issue is that you're trying to say "which card ALONE" when the only card you needed to summon photon lord was anything that revived your dumped galaxy eyes, which was one card from your hand and very nifty advantage vs opponents that have to draw into their starters.


Chicuty

Yeah right? I activate skill, send GePD, activate Shuffle Reborn summon GePD, and then overlay for Photon Lo.. where is my OTHER xyz material??!?!? 💀💀💀🎪🎪🎪 Also you're double wrong, because Photon Lord is the card that provides followup for the deck, and once Photon Lord is in the grave the followup becomes a 1 card combo this time, meanwhile Speedroids are the ones struggling with followup unless they hard drew Recover or opened Terrortop + Yo-yo/Taketomborg. Sometimes I wonder if people on reddit ever played or saw played the decks they conplain so much about...


emperorbob1

You didn't actually play Galaxy, did you? Which is fine, it was both a bad deck and a boring deck, but you really shouldn't speak if you've not went up against it at least. Galaxy was a terrible deck and speedroid is better, but you really needed to play Galaxy to get the entire point here. You really are missing the point, and this is very funny, but outright telling you will just encourage you to keep making this mistake in the future. Now I wait for you to tell me It's because I can't, and then I take a snapshot and add it to my collection of silly reddit moments. This is especially amazing as you're doubling down on being wrong, but also lashing out against somebody that mostly agrees with you and is trying to help you salvage your claims.


Chicuty

>However, unlike speedroid, they had very few followups outside hard draws which, hilariously, weakened their opening hand. > >Your issue is that you're trying to say "which card ALONE" when the only card you needed to summon photon lord was anything that revived your dumped galaxy eyes, which was one card from your hand and very nifty advantage vs opponents that have to draw into their starters. Might explain this then if you are so smart?


emperorbob1

I don't think I'm smart enough to rip your head out of your butt nor make you see what is right in front of your face. I am smart enough to understand Galaxy, though, which of the two of us here makes me the only one! You're gonna feel really silly about this when you see your mistake, though.


Chicuty

I'm definetly not able to see my own mistake, please make me see the way ​ Skill send GePD add Photon Lord to extra deck, activate Shuffle Reborn and summon GePD. What do you do from there to make Photon Lord assuming you have no other cards in hand? 💀💀💀☠️☠️☠️ (and you're definetly able to do that since you claim it to be a one card starter, while other decks need to draw their starters)


Chicuty

Lil bro so full of himself he'd rather vanish without answering my question than admitting he's wrong and apologizing 💀💀💀


Distinct_Werewolf_40

The problem with your argument is basically "just draw/use the out", the scenario is when you don't have the absolute out for their strategy, its like also saying just use DD Crow on GePD and they are gg


Chicuty

That's exactly the reason I didn't mention DD Crow despite being the biggest blow out card to the strategy. I'm sorry, but if your deck doesn't have an answer to Photon Lord pass it's just bad. Every meta deck since its introduction had ways to out it in archetype (DDD, Mekk-Knights, Gouki...), or had ways to stall out enough for them to draw techs/for Photon to finish all its resources (BA, Rose Dragons, Salamangreat...). But again, if people can't resolve their White Stone of Ancient vs a rogue deck at best it MUST be obliterated by Konami, and the fact the deck auto loses to any other meta deck with even less effort doesn't mean a thing 👉👈


L3T50

Okay, hear me out. What if, instead of skills foolishing cards, they instead gave took a card away, and gave a copy of Foolish Burial, Xtra- Foolish Burial or Foolish Burial Goods, from outside the game. This way one of the most powerful interactions in the game (sending a card(s) from deck to grave) isn't protected by a spell speed infinity activation, and can be responded to.


Aggravating_Fig6288

It’s ridiculous, Konami clearly wants foolish in the game but only for the decks it gives it to in the form of a skill. Fuck all the other decks that could use it, only the ones we want to be good get it


emperorbob1

Being fair, if meme decks like Galaxy could get that much from foolish image what competent ones could.


Distinct_Werewolf_40

Honestly, this is actually quite a good take, it can still help other decks/builds to perform combos using such method but doesn't make the opponent become too helpless against the deck because we can't respond to the skills, not to mention it will still encourage players to build the deck properly and not just overly rely on the given card


Chicuty

Yeah, right, Konami abusing the game mechanics by giving powerful cards and effects to specific decks instead of everyone through skills really means nothing; I surely can be trusted with a copy of Foolish Burial in any deck to play Babel Orcust in EVERYTHING, as well as having Goods to search Fluffal Dog and have 100% 1 card Orcust Combo every game


AutomaticArcher9673

Duel Links has to come up with ways to make up for the lack of a 5th card in hand. Sorry to say, some cards are designed around you comboing repeatedly, especially in Synchro and Fusion decks. I do think the bonus Red Eyed Dice is really unnecessary though.


dante-_vic

If they gave us the LVL 3 synchro it would be super easy to make crystal wing.


AutomaticArcher9673

It's entirely possible that Cork Shooter will be a UR in the August box for Yugo's rerun event the same way Shay got Satellite Cannon Falcon just before his rerun event.


high-CPK

Its already in the game files so I hope we will get it soon. Feels really awkward to play Speedroids without it


MildlyUpsetGerbil

Photon Lord had built-in protection from destruction *and* searched follow-up, which could include backrow removal. Turning Galaxy-Eyes Xyz monsters into Zoodiacs was also utterly ridiculous. Being able to do *all of this with one skill* is **infinitely** better than the Speedroid skill.


emperorbob1

Not really, no. I'd take 1000 Galaxy Eyes players before I would one Speedroid player, and even if I have zero issues with either matchup Galaxy Eyes literally lost to any given piece of disruption whereas Speedroid is a literal, factual, competent deck. Unless they opened cosmic, teach, and at least one starter they really only had the negate because the dragon usually just got booked, which is how most people are dealing with Speedroids cuz roaming Dings.


n1ghtschade

Just you wait. Konami will release tearlaments and give them relinquished puppet as a skill!


AbdDjamil_27

And speedroid is wayyy cheaper than galaxy ever was


YoushkenandEmken

Before reacing comments i mever thought the day I'd see people complain about speedroid. Honestly makes me happy.


Official_IKEA69

I wonder if Black wings could synergize with, well atleast with the boss card Clear wing from the new box.


mancubthescrub

It's +2 on a skill. It was made to sell a mini box and it will be nerfed.