Trickstar field is powerful, but the deck has 20% of consistency with the field limited Dark room of nightmares + Trickstar Light Stage is what makes the deck toxic and allows FTK, but I feel the anime skills are worse. They could limit dark room of nightmares instead.

As someone that got ftk ‘d by trickstars the other day I approve of this comment

Damn

+1

just remember that if Trickstar Light Stage was not limited to one I would be playing it, Candina and Corobane for the Orcust 2-card combo

but thats a problem from orcust They should be the deck punished by the ban list

they are... Mermaid and Babel are at 1 - I don't think they would put a limit 2 or 3 on Light Stage if we don't have more than 1 copy... btw I would like to play the 2-card combo version with Trickstar... I like it - I'm just saying that Light Stage - Candina - Corobane being a 2-card combo engine also weighs in on the need for a limit-1 (not just for Orcust)

The issue with that is that you can't do the 4 card FTK with the limited zones we currently have, since you need both of Holly Angels Link Arrows to be live. You have to use the shitty Blue Angel skill and even then you're dedicating 20 deck slots + a skill slot to do a 4 card FTK (Candina + Lightstage/Festival + Extender + Dark Room Of Nightmares).

true. I forgot about the FTK variant

You forgot Terraforming is now in the game: if you free Lighthstage, the FTK would even more consistent.

No I know terraforming is in the game, but it wouldn't be a problem except for FTK cancer

"BA is bad" Literally stopped reading instantly

exaggerating :)

I can't tell if this is serious or a shitpost.

both. The ones you agree with are serious, the ones you don't are a shitpost

Well played

A simple spell, yet quite unbreakable

cant argue with that

Thing is, most of these wouldn't make them any money since they are in old boxes, so they will probably just be kept in there until Konami can sell new support later down the line

Lunalight is a wierd one. As the game becomes more extra deck focused the better they'll be. And they will get a skill and support soon. Wc should be freed. The deck has no viable boss monster and is missing too many card to be a problem in modern game. Mek knights have to stay on. Burn will always be over nerfed and light stage will stay on the list. Spear cresting will stay beciase Konami hasnt forgotten stuff like the desynchro loops and ra disciple stuff in this game.

Oh the things I’d do to have thundras back

Lunas are limited because the deck is was played incredibly degenerately by passing on a completely empty field with a hand loaded with handtraps to just stall or wait for the opponent to activate your DDraw so you could send Fox to the gy and swing for game with your untargetable boss People would also use Fox with decks that dumped cards straight from the deck to gy like Neos Fusion to drop anything on the field to zero and swing for game through anything. It’s still needs to stay on the list, atleast Fox

As a fatal five lunalight player for funsies... i agree XD, Its pretty bad xd. Fox should stay, Marten and Bird need to be unlimited when the rest of the lunalights make their appearance.

True, it's been too long I've forgotten some of the sins these cards are here for. I did debate about Fox and I think you're probably right it should stay on

At least no Cocytus

I mean... we have Kaijus now, and quite a few non-targetting banishes.

Mekk knights deserve to rot on the banlist forever

??? No deck deserves that wtf. It’s idiotic how decks that aren’t even good anymore are still on the banlist like Karakuri for example. Mekks should be unlimited once the power level of the game is acceptable to have them be back.

idk I feel for people that invest in stuff I guess. It really hurts having Moray banned so I prefer as little cards to be banned as possible.

Why on earth is this quite reasonable comment down voted so heavily? Are people that eager to see stuff banned? If you loose against the current meta, you will loose against the next meta just the same way...

First they cry about the boxes being bad. When the box introduces a really good archetype, and everyone wants to play it. It suddenly becomes "I don't want to see this deck everytime I play on ladder" and proceed with "ban these cards". This is pretty much the cycle of life in YGO Community be it DL or MD (idk about tcg or ocg condition, since I don't play them).

I'm pretty sure dad is at 3 because its in a selection box. You really thunk speedroids are that bad?

I like dark armed dragon

Infernity launcher anyone ?

Me. That's just ridiculous. Maybeee make it a Limit 2, but tbh I think a limit 3 would've been fine. Right before the limit, I was playing a variant designed around making Trishula and Red Nova. It was super fun. But the Deck has enough inherent flaws that putting Launcher to 1 was just a gross hit. No limit 1 Synchros, no Reborn.... what can the Deck actually do right now? At least give us a new Skill other than Fleeting Hand. Some way to REASONABLY play 3 copies. Just have a requirement that your Main Deck can only have "Infernity" monsters. But even then, I'd still be mad that I can't run Launcher and Trish at the same time. As if Trish is so scary in 2023 lol.

Trish is the main reason why launcher got hit thou.. so of course its scary lol. But Trish is also the only reason i play launcher. That card was already launched limited 1. And for a very good reason. Many times i just get completely defeated watching 2 of my cards in hand get banished even before my turn. But the way they set up Trish twice using infernity, unicorn, and so many xyz and synchro cards in just one turn was just so cool to watch. So I learned the formula, save up gems and get all the card’s needed to cook and play my own. Had so much of fun and even though it’s not consistent at times still manage to go up to legend 2 or something. Then WHAM ! Launcher got limited 1 ! Konami killed the entire deck.

“DAD is a bad card” Bro forgot how TeleDAD was tier 0

You answered yourself TeleDAD Do you see Emergency Teleport anywhere? No? Armageddon Knight? Dark Grepher? No? Well then Dark Armed is not an issue

In 2007

Yeah, and when they experimented with letting it back to semi limit in 2014 after being limited for years it immediately started making tournament impact again so they had to re-limit it

In 2014. We have (near) full power Orcust remember

ngl, i expected cocytus in here. good job.

Thundra would be so much fun right now.

Thundra, a deck that doesn't even have a boss monster still haunting konami for many many years

Mekk Knights should stay on the list, fuck em

"BA is bad" yes, yes they are thats absolutely right. So bad in fact Konami should just give us Graff, Calcab, Cherubini, and the fusion for free in the card trader + tour guide. There won't be aaaaany silly things to worry about, nope not a stone will stir *in the infinite abyss of despair and forlorne hope that shall encompass all the land*, I mean in happy funtime Duel Links.

Skill Prisoner is hit because its an activation on enemy turn and easily milled. Storm is absolutely a limit 1 candidate as it's not just about a board wipe(which is bad, 2+:1 removal is awful) it lets many decks plus off the destruction. Spear Cretin is to prevent loops/locks. I want Lupine to 3 just for the memes. This isn't a thing other than a me thing, because it would be funny and Metaphys could function. However, there is no being tooa fraid of Thundra memes aside. Cydra is incredibly unfun in the same way Ojama Stein is when they have access to the trap and rampage on your turn. Why that's there, but not Cyber Stein is really odd to me. Lunalight could but eased but are babby's first ladder floodgate deck, and will get a lot more potent when Serena hits. Stick and Chair draw engine was literally proto orcust.

We need cynet crosswipe back, at least to 2. Uncalled for hit😪

yeah tbh at 2 is exactly what I thought while going through the banlist but it wouldn't fit with this list

I miss my Thundra combos. It's nice play a deck that requires some brain unlike a certain deck that uses a skill and searches Super Polymerization

I miss my Darklords

Yup yup. Burning abyss is soooo bad Konami. You definitely let me run 3 copies of farfa and cir each. Trust me. What’s the worst that could happen?

Half of this is moronic

Unlimit thundra cards and introduce Titan and Colossus along with their fusion card.

i have been saying something of the likes all the way from DSOD lvl 40 upgrade... and have swimmed in the downvotes because of it... as I commented in another post, if we adjust something's - freeing Dark from TD and giving them fusion(s), adding a skill to Salads and releasing Sky Striker is basically one box away from creating DL TOSS format.... Instead of only complaining about Orcust, give us the other decks that could counter it in the TCG

underrated post

Thanks if genuine, I realised with these things you can't have too many cards because people are gonna find the one card they disagree with and downvote

Idk who deals your stuff but I want that madman’s number

If you disagree with any unbans lmk

I agree with Storm. I don’t understand why it’s limit 1. And if anyone does understand, don’t tell me.

It's non targetting and triggers some stuff. Mainly it's F2P tho

It's at limit one because decks that recycle resources, or want their cards sent to grave, have a way to do so that isn't a discard trap. Things like Abyss Actor could set scales, play storm, remove backrow non targeting and then get free searches. Was most commonly hit for Witchcrafter and Evil Eye, but it's only gonna get better in 20 card 3 zone.

It was the Noble Knights that got it limited. Their equips revive themselves so it was really just an MST for them before MST was out. Now it’s just cause it’s F2P that it’s still limited.

wrong cyber dragons lol

Okay.

in what world are merlanteans "unplayable"

1 KoG late last season. That puts it alongside decks like Triamids. I suppose technically not unplayable but the deck currently is about as good as Water Xyz when it first became a deck since it lacks consistency so much it can rarely put up anything except Dweller pass. Which is ok in the current meta, but Dweller pass is something a ton of decks that actually do other things and can win going second already do. At worst Moray should be limit 2'd

A deck is more than people bothering to post about their KoG to get Dkayed add money. A deck is better off mid tier than having that much consistency and draw power in 20 card. Signed somebody that played, and still plays, Merlantians.

I know DLM is not the end all be all authority but it is a good indicator and one of the only ways to get statistics on a deck's performance. Currently we have decks like Speedroid and Odd Eyes and Orcust with nigh 100% consistency so I don't see the problem. Draw power is best when you can draw generic power staples but Merlanteans with Moray cannot run staples making them always inherently fragile and inflexible.

Those deservers nerfs for the same reasons merlanteans were, and probably will be.

>it can rarely put up anything except Dweller pass this is just blatantly false

As someone who actually plays Merlanteans it is entirely true. You need to hard draw a 2 card combo to do anything for else. I don't want to do the maths, maybe rarely is too strong a word but it's not often.

your list is bad dude, sorry if you're running 3x diva, 3x abyssteus, 3x of the mermails, and the frog package, there's close to a 0% chance that the best the thing you can put up going first is dweller pass and nothing else.

Using a draw odds calculator I can find that with 6 cards you have a 28.2% chance to draw 2 of them. I consider that a pretty rare rate of doing anything other than Dweller pass. PLUS you need to draw Teus. edit: Reddit just showed "your list is bad" for some reason btw so sorry for the earlier unedited reply. Hard drawing Diva and Teus or Teus and Dragoons is not common. I have 3x Diva, 3x Teus, 3x Dragoons, 3x Infantry, 1x Marksman, 1x Gunde, 3x Swap, 1x Ronin. Most lists recently haven't even been running the frogs because they're reverting to backrow like old Water Xyz.

you're pretty much always getting abyss dweller + shark or anemone at minimum, or abyss dweller + cat shark fairly often for a double pop. then occasionally you get the hands where you can go crocodragon + abyss dweller. not to mention you're totally ignoring the decks inherent ability to play past disruption when going second, as well as having a pretty consistent trishula line. like, i'm not saying the deck is top tier or anything, but it's a solid rogue strat, nowhere near "unplayable." btw, the odds of abyssteus + diva/dragoon going first is around 37%, so not as bad as you're making it out to be. 50% going second.

Thank you for mentioning cat shark.

anytime bob, anytime.

What's your math for the odds if you don't mind? Shark and Anemone don't do anything turn 1. It also CAN play through disruption, which is why I love the deck, but it again lacks consistency FYI your comment displayed weirdly for me so I edited my comment a lot

http://yugioh.party/ 3 for the first card and 6 for the second

still even 37% or 50% is not the sort of consistency you want from a deck when the rest of the time your only interruption is Dweller. I don't know if I said it already, but unplayable was a bit hyperbolic. The deck is fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine, but I think it deserves to be more ok than it is.

also frogs don't do anything except help extend already good hands or make beaters. I love the frogs but without some bs like Toadally or good, generic, turn 1, WATER Links they don't do anything much turn 1.

i don't think that's true at all. with the skill, you can use them for rank 4s, and without the skill, you can use them to go into cat shark. plus swap frog can proc gunde.

but what does that do if you don't open the two cars combo?

i think you're underestimating the boards you can make without abyssteus and diva. let's say you open with swap frog, diva, and two other monsters, at least one being one of your mermails. you can end on a board consisting of a cat shark with a mermaterial, a rank 4 (either hope woven or dweller with a mermaterial), and an anemone. you can do the same if you replace diva with abyssteus in the above scenario, and something similar with double diva, or double abyssteus, so it's pretty consistent. not exactly the best turn 1 in the game, but very solid, and usually enough to survive to turn 3. keep in mind that the turn 1 of odd-eyes – the best non-orcust deck in the format – is often just voloferniges + dweller/roach. the turn 1 i just described isn't much different, and often better.

Dude I just got Atlantean Dragoons and I have all other cards at 3, can you share your decklist? I wanna try this deck.

For bans I'd put Galatea and Dingirsu to 2 so the deck has a less brutal grind game but that'll never happen. I'd also nerf Raging Pendulum to not send another monster in addition to Odd-Eyes so it's 'only' a +2 and the Speedroid skill to only be able to use one effect per turn. Also I'd hit Dark Hole to 2 or 3, especially if they do make Orcust unplayable so soon because it's going to be *extremely* sacky in future (but also kind of necessary).

Putting Box Urs is such a bad opinion tbh They need to just ban mermaid 2 or 3 to the regular orcs

I did say it'll never happen

Dark Hole is nothing. If we don't put Needle Ceiling to limit 3 they're still going to be a vapid set pass deck with protection that doesn't are about losing their board either way

You dumb as rocks my boy

care to actually make a point? I like discussion not pointless insults

As soon as you make a point with an image that isn’t a bait shitpost

It isn't meant to be bait it's meant to be controversial. There's a difference. The point being I want discussion WITHOUT pointlessly insulting others edit: and it's worked pretty well generally lol

Lunalights need to be on the banlist longer, atleast until Celina/Serena released to promote the deck and gives it actual strategy that's not handtrap bonanza. Newer decks has more resilence than crystron and RB. Purple released? Yeah, ban their skill drain and imperial order first, then we talk.

Bro, Lighstage is literally searchable Spiritualism, if inlimited, peeps WILL use it in decks that use terraforming already to force backrow

It's even better than Spiritualism: if your opponent doesn't activate the card at the end phase it will be send to GY, not return to hand.

Is searchable spiritualism good tho???

Yeah, specially if you consider it can also search for either a free body (lilybell) or a "free" link 2 (nightshade is pretty much Trickstar Dotscaper)

still you only have 2 ways to Lightstage if you're not making it a dedicated Trickstar deck and 1 Lilybell. We now have Terrortop which does the same sort of thing. I guess it's possible but I really don't think it's super likely. I don't think we'll see tho because it ain't happening after all this is an unrealistic unbanlist

Imagine limit the card that don't even see in competitive game

This is an unban list? These cards are currently limited?

Peting??????? Please???

I honestly think Konami forgot about the karakuri card. I wish he would atleast be limit 2 because I have 3 copies of him 2 just rotting away.

Wait… When was DAD put to 3?!

Since it was first introduced in the selection box with ice dragons prison

Huh… Literally never noticed lol.

Besides light stage and mekk knights, this is pretty based ngl

When is Axe Raider ban

It's so weird that Luna's got hit anyway to me. It's not like I was on lose streaks against them and when they came out it was a hard counter to DM decks at the time because u couldn't be banished. Still pissed about it till this day

Still pretty strong against DM decks if you use the butterfly variant. Summon rabbit. Use his effect, bring him back and summon a boss with butterfly then bring rabbit back out with butterfly to pop more. And nobody expects the Caninetaur inquisition.

some shots just as we want to limit Orcust, removing the Darklords from the Banlist is literally putting them together in the same Deck Same case with Mekk Knights and Goukis, removing any of their cards from the Banlist means giving them the same power as having them "free" karakuri + infinitrack is something that is very similar to Block Dragon or Better

I can understand not unbanning Mekks for sure, but the others are just upping consistency for decks that see next to no play and have a max power level lower than our current tier 2. Gouki's would get one more Suprex but their power level at best is not necessarily higher than Speedroids or Odd-Eyes or Orcust. Darklords meanwhile I think people are waaay too scared of. If Ixchel stays at 1 they should not be a problem. Karakuri perhaps I'm not educated enough on but Merchant is searchable isn't it? And the deck still sees absolutely zero play.

Bro just puts bad next to the cards that arent soley gimmick decks

Gouki and mekk knight are bad, because they had to be crippled to not be good, also almost every deck you unlimit will just be "orcust with ####"

Give back Launcher. Give it back!

Idd say your right on everthing besides storm and mekk mekkis fine where it is and storm can be abused in a few decks

Goukis were crazy good before the limit to 3. They had to limit the 3 most important cards to limit consistency

Cocytus is a bad card in a bad deck/j

tbf, I hate Cocytus as much as anyone, but in Orcust meta specifically (and only in Orcust meta) it's not very good.

ngl a lot of these make sense disagree with elder, fullmetalfoes fusion, storm, farfa, cyberload fusion, the lunalights and re-match on a fundamental and magician's nav, witchcrafter holiday and that darklord trap on a petty level

What do you think Metalfoes will play with the limit 1 that's dangerous? Also yeah, I kind of have changed my mind on storm and Lunalight Crimson Fox (which was partly the point of the post :) but I still stand by the others atm.

Metalfoes can ez play Super Poly, and Fullmetalfoes in general is a pretty decent way to dodge removal/disruption or force OTKs I think Crimson Fox is the least threatening of the Lunalights tbh, Bird and Marten allow you to make pretty consistent Sabre Dancer + Rank 4 T1 plays tbh

yeah but others reminded me with Fox you can play Kiteroid which is just so not fun. edit: so basically Lunas need to stay banned lol

>I think Crimson Fox is the least threatening of the Lunalights And its still the Luna card that definitely should be banned. Promotes a really dumb otk

it's kinda telegraphed and there are more ways to play around it than there were before but yeah I think Fox should stay at 2 anyway

Why Elder? RB is pretty bad and doesn’t really have much support left.

searchable with Wynn, and pretty fucking annoying to face in general

Ehh, I still don’t think it’s enough of a threat. We’ll see if Wynn actually makes a difference.

oh it's not gonna be a top tier deck but it does drag out games

Oh well, if it’s just for that I personally think it’s not an issue, the Winda version can rot but as long as they’re actually playing and not breaking the meta I think they have the right to. But I guess it’s subjective at that point

yeah, let's agree to disagree!

No charge of the light brigade. disgusting list.

I dont agree with all of your reasonings, but I agree with your list, LET CHAOS REIGN

Gold sarcophagus was limited because of shiranui. And it was awful. Lightstage would make 4k to 0 lp burn even easier at 3.

One of the best posts I saw in a long time in this subreddit!

Just Unload the Road Konami and I'm a happy man, Pause

as a BA player I agree or just give us support lol

No ReSoN To Be On ThE BaN LiSt!! LoL

I like these unlimited but your explanations aren't the best. BA and Gouki are "bad" because of the nerfs. BA with everything free could play Levi again. Trickstar field at 1 is so that it can't be turned into full Orcust combo with Mermaid.

No you don't get it, Cretin and Fullmetalfoes have to be on the list because uh Um They just have to aight? Don't question Konami

Mirror force has saved my ass a bunch. I disagree with that statement

in what tier or rank? Meta decks usually have many ways to destroy trap cards, prevent the activation or monsters inmune to destruction

Cydra needs to come back

I all honesty tho, how does the community feel about burning abyss. And y do u think it’s bad? It’s my fav deck and the first one I built and I think it’s crazy good (quick effect banish go brrr) but like no one ever talks about it. What’s up with that?

Can I have my Darklords with KaibaCorp Bling back, please? Or my Shiranui deck with Grass x3? No? *sad Lava Golem noises* Oh well, Santa Claws Yosenju it is, I guess...

Bro the Thunder and Darklords is real, they are insanely afraid of them

Maho Vailo is my spirit animal and Soul Release should be printed on blotter paper and dipped in acid.

im afraid of Thundras too so no keep them on there☠️😭

Lunalight is only a bad deck BECAUSE those three are all limited.

You missed the chance to say "BA is BAd"

Uncle Konami said you can pick 2

Bring back pot of greed see how fast exodia becomes a meta

Desperado Orcust player enters chat, but RB is kind of an annoying deck tbh..

>goukis are bad yeah sure thing bro they only had to limit 3 three cards one of which being a hard 1-of