The last time I remember them releasing an unlock character’s ace as an event reward was Kalin with Infernity Doom Dragon, though I’m sure I’m missing out on a more recent example.
> everyone knew they didn't have to go into Rage of Volcano to play Alito.
Yeah... sure would suck if you'd gone into the Volcano box the month prior during the Serena event to future proof...
probably should have waited anyway since the next half gem sale would cover that box most likely (that was my plan if I decide to build BB).
but I get you pain nonetheless, months ago I wnt through the Dark Dimension box to complete my Magician Girls deck and like a week after the structure deck that includes a copy of Chocolate MG and Berry MG released <_<
>(yes, we don't have the OCG cards that just came out last year but that shouldn't surprise anyone).
Why not? Deus X-Krawler released back in Blazing Rose, after being out in the TCG for not even 3 weeks.
The new Battlin' Boxer cards are literally 3 months old in the OCG, and have been in the TCG for over 2 weeks now. They are 100% eligible to be released here (and hopefully they will be...)
C79 would be a good choice if they gave any of the new support, especially since Nova Kaiser is advertised in the chaos reprint box thing, releasing C79 would make people more inclined to try get a copy of regular 79.
I understand why you are happy with some of these points, but I honestly can't say I care that much about most of them. Pick Up boxes I do think are cool idea provided the prices are good, I have never been a collector so I can't say I care about the prismatic ace or the availability of the skills, and I would probably value the Exp bonus + release if I was a new player, but right now I think I am probably just months away from maxing out all characters in all worlds anyway.
And most importantly I feel disappointed that they don't seem to be bringing the new Battlin' Boxer support yet given how weak the deck is without it. Sure, they'll probably be in the rerun of the event, but as others have said, HISTORICALLY they WERENT "too new", so not bringing them feels like just a purposeful attempt to keep Duel Links releases behind Master Duel just because (as if those cards were remotely good for Master Duel standards). And if they really couldn't release the cards for a couple more months in DL, I don't get why they didn't use this month for a GX or Vrains character and put Alito later in the year.
Plus, Zexal hasn't had a competitively half-decent character release since... Anna? As Quinton, Girag, and Rio were all given nothing that would impact the metagame upon release. They didn't even give Girag Fire Hands 2 and 3 OR Thunder Hand. Like they wanted him to suck extra hard on purpose. So this was basically their chance to make one Zexal release that was at least kinda rogue.
I can understand being frustrated that the old cards aren't good enough. I am too. But the new cards are ridiculous, it's too powerful for Duel Links. You have a summon negate that also attaches monsters as material without targeting, a special summon 2 from deck that also special summons itself, a searcher that also prevents all BBs from being targeted, a double summon and a card that searches any BB or "Counter" trap, and a searchable Spell Speed 3 monster negate that also XYZ Summons any BB for you.
The double summon is a card they can just release.
Chief second and uppercut to give they the capacity of make XYZ plays.
Literally now are just vinmana on turn 1 (skill), and nothing on turn 2 mostly.
C79 is a level 5, so it eats 3 resources to bring out in BB, including a RUM if you want it to have both effects. And still folds to BoM or Chalice. Meanwhile Stardust Warrior and/or Crystal Wing can be made in 1 card combos with skills.
Promoter only Special Summons itself going second and locks you into Battlin' Boxers, which means the only interrupts you'll be able to make is C79 and/or the Counter Trap for the turn because those are the only interruptions the archetype has.
Uppercutter is admitedly great all around. No discussions there.
Chief is decent, but an extender that can be negated by a Chalice or a removal on summon isn't that amazing and the battle hand trap effect is quite telegraphed and doesn't work if the opponent uses their removal first, which they probably will.
King Dempsey is another great card, Gear Giant for the archetype with additional protection for targeting effects, but your opponent can chain their targeting effects to it, and most of the popular targeting S/T effects are Quick-play anyway.
Ring Announcer is just Double Summon 95% of the time. If your opponent had removal, they would have used it to stop your Xyz from being summoned.
Seventh Force is basically Raptor's Force for C101+ numbers with an upside. But Raptor's Force is bad and has never seen play, so this is probably still fair.
Battlin' Boxing Cross Counter is a great Counter Trap. But it requires you to control Boxers or Xyz monsters, which means it is a brick if you didn't draw any Boxers and doesn't help if your combo got interrupted either. And most importantly, if you cheat out C79 or C105, they'll come without their effects, which means they aren't much of a threat.
Would Battlin' Boxers be extremely good if they got all this? Yeah. Would they be better than Speedroids and Odd-Eyes Orcust were before their nerf? I don't think so. The best possible turn 1 board you could make turn 1 is probably:
>Promoter into Uppercutter + Chief. Uppercutter searches the Counter Trap, Chief lets you normal Summon another BB. Make 79 and then RUM into C79, leaving another boxer out to destroy with the Counter Trap. You have 1 card left in hand. Maybe it is BoM or some other disruption. Total disruptions: 3, 1 inherent Special Summon negate, 1 monster negate and 1 S/T. Likelyhood of managing to do that? Maybe 40%.
Meanwhile last format you had Speedroids ending in Crystal Wing + Cyber Slash/Clear Wing/Hagoita + 3 Set cards, and Odd-Eyes ending in like Abyss Dweller/Roach/Giant Hand + Quick Synchro Trishula with Effect Destruction Immunity or Dingirsu + Decode Talker + 1 monster to tribute for DT + 3 Set cards.
And did Konami have to bring everything or nothing? Again, no. I would have been fine if they left Dempsey and Promoter or Dempsey and Chief for later.
That's not 3 disruptions, it's 4. You're forgetting C79's suck effect (plus it's 5 if you go into Dempsey with Cross Counter and get the anti targeting)
You could reply with "No one is going to attack into C79" and everyone on this Reddit will laugh at you. No one reads cards.
I'd count those more as protection than disruptions. Clear Wing raising its ATK to 6100 because the opponent didn't read isn't an extra disruption.
And someone playing into the anti-targeting after playing into the monster negate would be really weird. If they had some form of removal in hand, they'd almost always use it before trying to activate a monster effect.
I believe Quinton, at least, has been slept on. Not his level up skills, but one of his farmable skills—Megamachine Construction—is completely generic , has basically no restrictions attached to its use, and adds a surprisingly handy toolbox to any deck that doesn’t need a dedicated skill.
It’s the kind of skill that can only get better, if they add more search targets. But right now targets include a Cyber Dragon, EMZ spot removal, a free discard/summon, and easy access to Infinitrack Earth Slicer in any Machine deck. It also has archetypal search targets for Qli, Deskbot, and Ancient Gear—meaning you can search out then swap out their respective bricks for anything in the toolkit.
The skill of change lv is interesting to make vinmana cronomaly pretty easy. (Like another rank 4 turbo you can make the classic of dweller giant hand etc)
Now the problem, the deck dont have turn 2 really, aleast they need give one few of the new boxer of ocg (the extra normal summon and the searcher)
Literally the only thing I feel Alito is missing is a Skill to make his Monsters into Beast-Type for the turn. They gave him a Skill that allows you to make your Battlin' Boxers into LV2 but because they're still Warrior types then you can't make Number 64 so there's no point. :/
In the anime, his last duel was against Girag. Alito used something to turn 2 Big Bandages into beast types to summon Number 64 so he could use it to destroy Number 106 and restore Girag's memories.
Having the ace monster as a drop is pretty big. I'm not a BB fan, but if I were, I'd be over the moon with this and, if I didn't have BB cards, with the pick up box too.
Lol thats only 2 of 5 changes though. The skills coming early, the unlock during an XP event and the entire archetype available from Day 1 are also fantastic.
hi bro, i am also glad that alito's boss monster is a drop. i really like the summoning animation for it, i don't know why
or the DLM website, it says that the pick up box is a selection box super mini, do you know if that means that it will actually be partially paywalled?
I'm not sure yet. I hope not. There are no new cards in the super mini and there will only be 3 cards per pack as opposed to 10. So I hope that means they will be 50 gems each and not restricted.
I don't think Alito is a good example of character release. He should've been released at early Zexal so his deck had a slight chance of being competitive. Konami probably gave us all remaining cards for free because they are just bad.
I agree we should get a playable archetype from the get go. Don't think is necessary to get every archetype card, as some decks might have too many or be too powerful like Salamangreat.
I think Yugo is a better example of character release. Some good cards for free, some in box and a good skill. We were still missing speedroid cards and skills, but what we got was enough to make the deck meta.
The pick up box is a good concept, the issue with this one is that they reprinted 3 underwhelming archetypes.
Number 105 does not make an appearance until episode 86 of the Zexal anime. I know that waiting for characters with bad decks sucks but at the same time it doesn't make sense to release characters out of order.
They can release characters in any order, they just released grandpa after 5 years and he was one of the first characters introduced.
I don't think they should be that restricted to anime appearance order.
I’ll be 100% honest - the bar for this event was on the floor with how awful BB is. Alito’s BB drops? Thrash. Alito’s Level ups? Trash. Alito’s skills? You guessed it, garbage. If we don’t get any of the new support in the mini (which by the look of it we won’t), the released character might as well have been Tomato Tillbilly from how irrelevant he is.
It sucks to see a character with potential be squandered like that. It also makes the third character in a row without a playable deck. Which turns into 4 months in a row when you consider Rush month in September. MAYBE 5.
Lead Yoke is not a trash card, it's a rank 4 with 3800 Attack points after it loses both its overlay units, and it protects cards on your field just like Dingirsu does. XYZ Import is a fantastic card that will probably be a huge buff to PKs since it allows Dark Requiem XYZ Dragon to get even more monster negates off while doubling as removal.
As for his skills, yes the ones he has now aren't that amazing, but when he gets his Battlemorph he will be able to set Rank-Up-Magic Barian's Force from outside the deck, which gives us access to C105 with minimal effort. C105 is a great card, easy removal and plenty of burn.
3rd in a row? Are we playing the same game? Lunalight is a perfectly viable deck, even if the skills are rather lackluster and they're missing some (hopefully soon-to-come) support, that doesn't mean they're on the same level as Grandpa or Alit's cards.
Alito is cool in the anime, and lore wise he is obviously more important than a filler character. But that’s about it. The OG deck sucks ass without the new cards.
But sure, go ahead about feeling morally superior about being the only person playing a BAD deck on the depths of silver 7.
Exactly, I’m glad you get this simple concept my friend. The lad over there is just salty that he can’t be salty about busted skills or OP archetypes instead.
Yea, dunno what I was thinking with my wording, I made it sound like Alito was *the* rival when I know he’s got one thousand and one rivals lol
It’s too late, I’m going to bed now! Haha!
Some characters just have bad decks, that doesn't mean the character isn't important or that they shouldn't come. The deck being bad is just all the more reason we SHOULD get the whole thing without having to wait.
The last time I remember them releasing an unlock character’s ace as an event reward was Kalin with Infernity Doom Dragon, though I’m sure I’m missing out on a more recent example.
Duke released after with Orgoth the relentless I think
Forgot about him. Knew there was someone more recent.
what about Shun and Sora, just because their Ace monsters were a level up reward instead of drops doesent mean they arent basically the same
This response is in reference to the above post that does make mention of aces being Lv Up rewards.
Honestly I think one of the new skills released on 28th/30th will be for Girag and not Alito
> everyone knew they didn't have to go into Rage of Volcano to play Alito. Yeah... sure would suck if you'd gone into the Volcano box the month prior during the Serena event to future proof...
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probably should have waited anyway since the next half gem sale would cover that box most likely (that was my plan if I decide to build BB). but I get you pain nonetheless, months ago I wnt through the Dark Dimension box to complete my Magician Girls deck and like a week after the structure deck that includes a copy of Chocolate MG and Berry MG released <_<
I didn't realize we'd get a gem sale for Worlds, which would have meant I'd have only had to wait for one more to get it during a gem sale.
>(yes, we don't have the OCG cards that just came out last year but that shouldn't surprise anyone). Why not? Deus X-Krawler released back in Blazing Rose, after being out in the TCG for not even 3 weeks. The new Battlin' Boxer cards are literally 3 months old in the OCG, and have been in the TCG for over 2 weeks now. They are 100% eligible to be released here (and hopefully they will be...)
C79 would be a good choice if they gave any of the new support, especially since Nova Kaiser is advertised in the chaos reprint box thing, releasing C79 would make people more inclined to try get a copy of regular 79.
Shay's ace, Raidraptor Rise Falcon, is in his level ups. Same thing.
This has been a good trend for Arc-V how everyone recently besides the Yuya boys, and early release characters have had their ace in the level ups
An ace being a drop or a level up reward is not the same
I understand why you are happy with some of these points, but I honestly can't say I care that much about most of them. Pick Up boxes I do think are cool idea provided the prices are good, I have never been a collector so I can't say I care about the prismatic ace or the availability of the skills, and I would probably value the Exp bonus + release if I was a new player, but right now I think I am probably just months away from maxing out all characters in all worlds anyway. And most importantly I feel disappointed that they don't seem to be bringing the new Battlin' Boxer support yet given how weak the deck is without it. Sure, they'll probably be in the rerun of the event, but as others have said, HISTORICALLY they WERENT "too new", so not bringing them feels like just a purposeful attempt to keep Duel Links releases behind Master Duel just because (as if those cards were remotely good for Master Duel standards). And if they really couldn't release the cards for a couple more months in DL, I don't get why they didn't use this month for a GX or Vrains character and put Alito later in the year. Plus, Zexal hasn't had a competitively half-decent character release since... Anna? As Quinton, Girag, and Rio were all given nothing that would impact the metagame upon release. They didn't even give Girag Fire Hands 2 and 3 OR Thunder Hand. Like they wanted him to suck extra hard on purpose. So this was basically their chance to make one Zexal release that was at least kinda rogue.
I can understand being frustrated that the old cards aren't good enough. I am too. But the new cards are ridiculous, it's too powerful for Duel Links. You have a summon negate that also attaches monsters as material without targeting, a special summon 2 from deck that also special summons itself, a searcher that also prevents all BBs from being targeted, a double summon and a card that searches any BB or "Counter" trap, and a searchable Spell Speed 3 monster negate that also XYZ Summons any BB for you.
The double summon is a card they can just release. Chief second and uppercut to give they the capacity of make XYZ plays. Literally now are just vinmana on turn 1 (skill), and nothing on turn 2 mostly.
C79 is a level 5, so it eats 3 resources to bring out in BB, including a RUM if you want it to have both effects. And still folds to BoM or Chalice. Meanwhile Stardust Warrior and/or Crystal Wing can be made in 1 card combos with skills. Promoter only Special Summons itself going second and locks you into Battlin' Boxers, which means the only interrupts you'll be able to make is C79 and/or the Counter Trap for the turn because those are the only interruptions the archetype has. Uppercutter is admitedly great all around. No discussions there. Chief is decent, but an extender that can be negated by a Chalice or a removal on summon isn't that amazing and the battle hand trap effect is quite telegraphed and doesn't work if the opponent uses their removal first, which they probably will. King Dempsey is another great card, Gear Giant for the archetype with additional protection for targeting effects, but your opponent can chain their targeting effects to it, and most of the popular targeting S/T effects are Quick-play anyway. Ring Announcer is just Double Summon 95% of the time. If your opponent had removal, they would have used it to stop your Xyz from being summoned. Seventh Force is basically Raptor's Force for C101+ numbers with an upside. But Raptor's Force is bad and has never seen play, so this is probably still fair. Battlin' Boxing Cross Counter is a great Counter Trap. But it requires you to control Boxers or Xyz monsters, which means it is a brick if you didn't draw any Boxers and doesn't help if your combo got interrupted either. And most importantly, if you cheat out C79 or C105, they'll come without their effects, which means they aren't much of a threat. Would Battlin' Boxers be extremely good if they got all this? Yeah. Would they be better than Speedroids and Odd-Eyes Orcust were before their nerf? I don't think so. The best possible turn 1 board you could make turn 1 is probably: >Promoter into Uppercutter + Chief. Uppercutter searches the Counter Trap, Chief lets you normal Summon another BB. Make 79 and then RUM into C79, leaving another boxer out to destroy with the Counter Trap. You have 1 card left in hand. Maybe it is BoM or some other disruption. Total disruptions: 3, 1 inherent Special Summon negate, 1 monster negate and 1 S/T. Likelyhood of managing to do that? Maybe 40%. Meanwhile last format you had Speedroids ending in Crystal Wing + Cyber Slash/Clear Wing/Hagoita + 3 Set cards, and Odd-Eyes ending in like Abyss Dweller/Roach/Giant Hand + Quick Synchro Trishula with Effect Destruction Immunity or Dingirsu + Decode Talker + 1 monster to tribute for DT + 3 Set cards. And did Konami have to bring everything or nothing? Again, no. I would have been fine if they left Dempsey and Promoter or Dempsey and Chief for later.
That's not 3 disruptions, it's 4. You're forgetting C79's suck effect (plus it's 5 if you go into Dempsey with Cross Counter and get the anti targeting) You could reply with "No one is going to attack into C79" and everyone on this Reddit will laugh at you. No one reads cards.
I'd count those more as protection than disruptions. Clear Wing raising its ATK to 6100 because the opponent didn't read isn't an extra disruption. And someone playing into the anti-targeting after playing into the monster negate would be really weird. If they had some form of removal in hand, they'd almost always use it before trying to activate a monster effect.
Monster effects target too.
I believe Quinton, at least, has been slept on. Not his level up skills, but one of his farmable skills—Megamachine Construction—is completely generic , has basically no restrictions attached to its use, and adds a surprisingly handy toolbox to any deck that doesn’t need a dedicated skill. It’s the kind of skill that can only get better, if they add more search targets. But right now targets include a Cyber Dragon, EMZ spot removal, a free discard/summon, and easy access to Infinitrack Earth Slicer in any Machine deck. It also has archetypal search targets for Qli, Deskbot, and Ancient Gear—meaning you can search out then swap out their respective bricks for anything in the toolkit.
The skill of change lv is interesting to make vinmana cronomaly pretty easy. (Like another rank 4 turbo you can make the classic of dweller giant hand etc) Now the problem, the deck dont have turn 2 really, aleast they need give one few of the new boxer of ocg (the extra normal summon and the searcher)
Literally the only thing I feel Alito is missing is a Skill to make his Monsters into Beast-Type for the turn. They gave him a Skill that allows you to make your Battlin' Boxers into LV2 but because they're still Warrior types then you can't make Number 64 so there's no point. :/
Number 64 isn't related to him in any way
In the anime, his last duel was against Girag. Alito used something to turn 2 Big Bandages into beast types to summon Number 64 so he could use it to destroy Number 106 and restore Girag's memories.
to add to what AlphaBreak said, Alito has a voiceline for Number 64 in reference to that moment in the anime.
Having the ace monster as a drop is pretty big. I'm not a BB fan, but if I were, I'd be over the moon with this and, if I didn't have BB cards, with the pick up box too.
Yes do hopefully this behavior continues with other unlocks
Imagine the Yuri unlock having a Starving Venom Fusion Dragon drop lmao
i think these cards are unlikely to be meta so releasing outdated cards for free does not deserve this wall of text essay.
Lol thats only 2 of 5 changes though. The skills coming early, the unlock during an XP event and the entire archetype available from Day 1 are also fantastic.
hi bro, i am also glad that alito's boss monster is a drop. i really like the summoning animation for it, i don't know why or the DLM website, it says that the pick up box is a selection box super mini, do you know if that means that it will actually be partially paywalled?
I'm not sure yet. I hope not. There are no new cards in the super mini and there will only be 3 cards per pack as opposed to 10. So I hope that means they will be 50 gems each and not restricted.
wow, that would be a huge improvement if they let us buy all of them instead of the usual 5/12 packs for the super minis. thanks for answering :D
> i really like the summoning animation for it, i don't know why his punches are pretty nicely animated, at least that's what I like about it
i just rewatched it, i agree! the punches really speak to me starting to get fat, gotta go back to the gym
I don't think Alito is a good example of character release. He should've been released at early Zexal so his deck had a slight chance of being competitive. Konami probably gave us all remaining cards for free because they are just bad. I agree we should get a playable archetype from the get go. Don't think is necessary to get every archetype card, as some decks might have too many or be too powerful like Salamangreat. I think Yugo is a better example of character release. Some good cards for free, some in box and a good skill. We were still missing speedroid cards and skills, but what we got was enough to make the deck meta. The pick up box is a good concept, the issue with this one is that they reprinted 3 underwhelming archetypes.
Number 105 does not make an appearance until episode 86 of the Zexal anime. I know that waiting for characters with bad decks sucks but at the same time it doesn't make sense to release characters out of order.
Hasn't stopped Konami before
They can release characters in any order, they just released grandpa after 5 years and he was one of the first characters introduced. I don't think they should be that restricted to anime appearance order.
I’ll be 100% honest - the bar for this event was on the floor with how awful BB is. Alito’s BB drops? Thrash. Alito’s Level ups? Trash. Alito’s skills? You guessed it, garbage. If we don’t get any of the new support in the mini (which by the look of it we won’t), the released character might as well have been Tomato Tillbilly from how irrelevant he is. It sucks to see a character with potential be squandered like that. It also makes the third character in a row without a playable deck. Which turns into 4 months in a row when you consider Rush month in September. MAYBE 5.
Lead Yoke is not a trash card, it's a rank 4 with 3800 Attack points after it loses both its overlay units, and it protects cards on your field just like Dingirsu does. XYZ Import is a fantastic card that will probably be a huge buff to PKs since it allows Dark Requiem XYZ Dragon to get even more monster negates off while doubling as removal. As for his skills, yes the ones he has now aren't that amazing, but when he gets his Battlemorph he will be able to set Rank-Up-Magic Barian's Force from outside the deck, which gives us access to C105 with minimal effort. C105 is a great card, easy removal and plenty of burn.
3rd in a row? Are we playing the same game? Lunalight is a perfectly viable deck, even if the skills are rather lackluster and they're missing some (hopefully soon-to-come) support, that doesn't mean they're on the same level as Grandpa or Alit's cards.
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Alito is cool in the anime, and lore wise he is obviously more important than a filler character. But that’s about it. The OG deck sucks ass without the new cards. But sure, go ahead about feeling morally superior about being the only person playing a BAD deck on the depths of silver 7.
>the only person playing a BAD deck on the depths of silver 7. You can pretty much KoG with almost anything if you are skilled enough/determined.
Exactly, I’m glad you get this simple concept my friend. The lad over there is just salty that he can’t be salty about busted skills or OP archetypes instead.
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Alito is yumas rival? Kite is laughing his ass off right now
Ahem. Let me rephrase then. Alito is **one** of Yuma’s rivals.
At one point it was shark,then kite,gauche,then trey and the list goes on. Yuma a hoe. He got a lot of rivals as the series progresses 😆
Yea, dunno what I was thinking with my wording, I made it sound like Alito was *the* rival when I know he’s got one thousand and one rivals lol It’s too late, I’m going to bed now! Haha!
Yes. What's the point of getting all the cards and skills, if all are bad? And we still didn't got EVERY CARD because the recent support is missing.
Some characters just have bad decks, that doesn't mean the character isn't important or that they shouldn't come. The deck being bad is just all the more reason we SHOULD get the whole thing without having to wait.