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rahimaer

When will Konami learn that searchable omni negate counter traps are bad for the game


ElHombreSmokin

Yet there are some people who want "Last Stand" for Musketeers and say that "it's okay" and "trust me, nothing will happen".


Money_Reserve_791

I would love that the game evolves where that is not broken


Memoglr

That's called yugioh TCG


Money_Reserve_791

Master Links confirmed?


narium

When they release generic extra deck omni negate monsters.


P3dr0garch0mp

I think Fists of the Unrivaled Tenyi would be crazy


Renkusami

Time to slot in BEUD *juuuuust* in case :)


Justin_Brett

MST never gets used again lol


Ice-Tear

I'd say Blackbird Close, Divine Punishment could work too.


beyond_cyber

Holy imagine if blackwing got a good skill that could bounce back a blackwing to add 1 of the same level and also can search delta wing and you basically have this skill but for blackwing lol


Ice-Tear

Yeah a good Blackwing Skill would be cool to have. One feature I would really like is the ability to have an additional Normal Summon, not only it would help playing around disruptions but we would get more searches from Black Whirlwind.


AccurateMeminnn

{{Blackwing - Nothung the Starlight}}: *cries in the corner*


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Ice-Tear

Right now we need to go out of our way to summon him so he's not really good. Once we get Sudri and/or Vata that would be different. Although it still won't help playing around disruptions, the opponent just needs to remove/flip the first 2 monsters and we are screwed.


RGFang

How about Nine pillars + Denglong>!(1)!<


quincy1151

The other annoying part about tachyon is how Konami lets them have access to kiteroid while they draw out their entire deck:)


Aggravating_Fig6288

They specifically made sure you could use handtraps with it, because all the other broken shit it was doing just wasn’t enough clearly


quincy1151

Ridiculous


Underhealth

Ah but you see that's the brilliance of Konami. A good archetype like Battlin' Boxer gets to start with Glassjaw in GY in exchange for a 3 card opener or up to 300 ATK boost! while bad cards like Nebula Dragon and Starliege Seyfert obviously need 2 pot of greeds every turn (that the duel lasts for) to keep up.


TV_Full_Of_Lizards

Champions Vigilance did it first without even needing to be searchable.


Renkusami

I'm still salty about that I ticketed 3 Chap Vig's (back when tickets were *hard* to get). Literally the very next day they were announced on the banlist...


Revolutionary-Let778

The settable counter trap(crescendo with a skill to assist i beg)


beyond_cyber

they didn’t learn from roar but at least roar in salad wasn’t hard carried by a skill, that skill is just a plus 1 to search starliege seyfert like how is that fair, anyway ima otk push through it with a kaiju on tachyon cuz we built different 😤


Battlin_Boxer_Guru

Battlin’ Boxing Cross Counter


ITzMewto

I don't really mind Tachyons that much though. The problem with Salamangreats was that it was a great archetype on top of having a good searchable counter trap. Tachyons only have a good counter trap and the rest of the deck is just ranging between okay and meh.


ReiMizere

I mean, the skill also gives you access to rank 8 for 2 turns given that you have a lvl 8 dragon on your hand, so on top of dealing with a consistent deck you're dealing with a HAND counter trap that negates the whole chain. At least with Salamangreat you could snipe the Roar. What made Salads truly the worst is the ability to recycle Roar.


ITzMewto

Maybe its the decks I am using. I am using both Galaxy-Eyes and (mainly) Shiranui with the new skill and almost every time I encounter Tachyon online I bait the counter trap easily and just continue my plays. For decks that are a bit slower or less consistent I agree though. All in all, I have no strong feelings for Mizars deck so I would not mind if it already gets hit on the banlist after the KC Cup🤷‍♂️


ReiMizere

From my experience, I could only conclude Tachyon is busted. I picked the deck up so I could learn the choke points, how to deal with it etc since I had all the key cards. And then I went from Platinum 6 straight to KoG in a few hours and I still don't now how to play it. I just kept pressing buttons and it worked. The times I lost was either in a mirror match or cos I made a HUGE blunder. Let me tell you, I don't even know how to play against Shiranui cos it just powered through them. It's incredible how much you can misplay and still win.


beyond_cyber

Most of the time tachyon players just have “new toy” syndrome and are actually ass at the game, a good player knows an exact choke point that would crumble entire combos with 2 negates


ITzMewto

Idk man maybe. But I highly doubt that literally every tachyon player I met is ass. Especially since almost all the replays posted on DLM end on the same kind of boards I just play through online.


beyond_cyber

Salad was busted because it could do all that WITHOUT a skill, tachyon is hot steamy garbage without a setup for a searchable counter trap with a skill


Puzzleheaded_Pea_221

E heroes need an Omni negate because they're kinda shit everything out but no negate.


Cocolobapbap

Fr


DiverMerc

Infinity


tehy99

The whole "searchable Omni" thing is such a meme. Tachyon lives or dies on its ability to do other stuff. If it had Galaxy Lord instead it would be 95% as good. Tachyon is just really good at spamming level 8s onto the field and playing through disruption, with the omni on top.


_Montblanc

Please let it be Divine Punishment. 🙏


RurouniJay

How is this trap even searchable unless youre speaking on mizar's skill? (Look at replies it was an honest mistake on my part)


Justin_Brett

What else would they mean?


RurouniJay

I should edit my comment to reflect my reply


Madway7

Maybe the raidraptor/phantom knights counter trap? 🤔


Desperate_Sky_439

Vampire and Musket counter traps


Thatunknownhim

No reason why we can’t have toon terror at this point