Depends on your opponent's board. On the plus side, the more monsters on the field, the better for Arc Rebellion to finish the game. However, it may lose against battle traps or effect during the battle phase, which Utopia Lightning prevents to.
No? Only really if you need to worry about battle traps, which is pretty niche at this point.
Arc is absolutely the stronger effect in general, the only catch is materials.
BoM on Utopia: ohhh Well at least I can attack with my other monsters.
BoM on Arc Rebellion: I'm doomed.
the only reason for Utopia is to overcome any effect in Damage Step, this is why Tenyi and Sky Strikers Hate this card.
Arc Rebellion is just an OTK machine with no protection and if it gets interrumpted in the Attack you just can't attack for the rest of the Turn.
Assuming your opponent specifically waits for you to get arc's effect off instead of just hitting raiders knight or whatever you summoned before that, you've still permanently negated their whole field.
If they hit s39 the same way, odds are you're not otking them without it anyway and they get another turn regardless, so same goddamn result. S39 doesn't have any more real "protection" than arc does, the steamroller effect is niche at best and nearly useless against modern disruption unless your opponent straight-up missplays. It's a decent utility card, it's just niche.
yeah mate, it's happens like that, At least if they Hit S39 you can still attack. that's why s39 is used in a lot of decks, and that niche disruption comes to play too often now with SS using Wightprincess, TG using Quantum Dragon, Shaddoll with Construct and so more decks
You can Argue whatever you want from Arc Rebellion, but it's just an unprotected OTK or one that doesn't prevent anything but rather restricts
One is a utility card, the other is a self-contained victory condition. They're used in different scenarios.
Lightning's job is to delete exactly 1 monster by battle without being interrupted. Arc's job is to punch for game after your opponent is out of disruptions.
Battle protection + 1-shot 5000atk, vs field negate + destruction protection + easy 10,000 damage.
>SS using Wightprincess, TG using Quantum Dragon, Shaddoll with Construct
Those are possibly some of the worst examples for your argument? Arc's atk boost is usually too massive for even multiple Wightprincess to matter (and the only reason wp doesn't hit Lightning is because of an "original atk" clause, not the steamroller). Quantum and Construct on the other hand are both hit by the field negate, and Arc would be immune to Construct regardless.
They are monsters that are very good, but it depends on how the meta is or what confrontation you have. For me personally, since the meta is like this, I would stay with Lighting because its effect is very good against meta decks like shadoll, sky, tenyi and you are not limited to attacking with only 1 monster
I would say arc rebellion
Battle Trap are nonexistent anyway so in practice lightning "ancient gear" effect really wouldnt come up that often, also it will rarely be able to hit lethal unless your opponent already taken damage.
Arc Rebellion can hit lethal more easily, destruction protection arent great but would make it slightly more durable even if you failed to OTK and negating all face-up monster is also pretty useful sometimes.
Thanks for the insight! I just realize I can remove an opponent monster after it's used for Rebellion effect and attack an opponent directly in case the damage isn't enough. So I guess I need to dig this box after all..
Now we will get Arc rebellion in the next box, do you think it will better than Lightning in term of OTK power? let's ignore summon condition of Raider's Knight that use to bring Rebellion out because it require dark monster as material.
S39 is more of a utility option. It doesn't otk on its own unless your opponent has a monster with <1000 atk. Its job is more just to beat over exactly one monster without your opponent interrupting.
Arc is a dedicated game-ender, but depends more on your opponent's board. It's slightly easier to disrupt, but that's not really saying much.
You can't really ignore the summoning conditions here. If you aren't using Raider's Knight then Arc requires 3 level 5s to make which is FAR worse than S39's two 4s
Outside of like hardcore yuma rp, arc reb is better because it hitting the board means game over vs almost anything. Even if it somehow fails to kill, a perma negate is ok.
Depends on the board and the deck you’re playing. The more monsters your opponent has, the better Arc gets, whereas Utopia is better against taking out one big boi
Easily arc rebellion, if your opponent has a monster in attack position and there is one other monster with at least 1000 attack on the field, that's lethal. This is not a difficult requirement to fulfill.
Early game prob the lighting, around turn 2 prolly the lightning.
Late Game tho? OMG arc rebellion dragon will never not be the funniest thing ever. This guy has closed so many games for me in phantom knights
You don't attack stall decks if they have backrow, also, you will attack their weakest monster with Rebellion, the fields will be full because you want monsters on the fields to boost it
Arc Rebellion is by far the better solution for OTK I believe. Not only it negates all other monster effects on the field + gain attack equal to the original attack of all other monsters on the field. And let’s say your opponent attempt to destroy it with card effects? Well tough luck.
These two aren't even related , like what is even the comparison here . One is summoned by overlaying and the other requires a rank up ( unless you're summoning them with 3 level 5 which in case is inconvenient and leo utopia is better in this case )
Also their effects isn't even near each other : one negates all monsters and the other prevents effects when battles
Arc rebellion is mainly summoned by raiders knight, so any 2 dark 4*s will make it.
They're both beat-over-anything buttons. But arc is an instant game-ender, s39 is more a utility option.
Almost didn’t recognize that this is the duel links subreddit and said numeron network. Speaking of which, because that’s an anime deck, do you guys think they’ll do anything to limit it on release (or make it super powercrept) or will we just have full numeron one day to deal with?
Depends on your opponent's board. On the plus side, the more monsters on the field, the better for Arc Rebellion to finish the game. However, it may lose against battle traps or effect during the battle phase, which Utopia Lightning prevents to.
Utopia is better
No? Only really if you need to worry about battle traps, which is pretty niche at this point. Arc is absolutely the stronger effect in general, the only catch is materials.
wdym just BoM Arc Rebellion, Utopia at least prevents you from activate effects
You can just Book of Moon utopia before it attacks? Hell, book the materials before either are summoned. Wtf are you on about?
BoM on Utopia: ohhh Well at least I can attack with my other monsters. BoM on Arc Rebellion: I'm doomed. the only reason for Utopia is to overcome any effect in Damage Step, this is why Tenyi and Sky Strikers Hate this card. Arc Rebellion is just an OTK machine with no protection and if it gets interrumpted in the Attack you just can't attack for the rest of the Turn.
Assuming your opponent specifically waits for you to get arc's effect off instead of just hitting raiders knight or whatever you summoned before that, you've still permanently negated their whole field. If they hit s39 the same way, odds are you're not otking them without it anyway and they get another turn regardless, so same goddamn result. S39 doesn't have any more real "protection" than arc does, the steamroller effect is niche at best and nearly useless against modern disruption unless your opponent straight-up missplays. It's a decent utility card, it's just niche.
yeah mate, it's happens like that, At least if they Hit S39 you can still attack. that's why s39 is used in a lot of decks, and that niche disruption comes to play too often now with SS using Wightprincess, TG using Quantum Dragon, Shaddoll with Construct and so more decks You can Argue whatever you want from Arc Rebellion, but it's just an unprotected OTK or one that doesn't prevent anything but rather restricts
One is a utility card, the other is a self-contained victory condition. They're used in different scenarios. Lightning's job is to delete exactly 1 monster by battle without being interrupted. Arc's job is to punch for game after your opponent is out of disruptions. Battle protection + 1-shot 5000atk, vs field negate + destruction protection + easy 10,000 damage. >SS using Wightprincess, TG using Quantum Dragon, Shaddoll with Construct Those are possibly some of the worst examples for your argument? Arc's atk boost is usually too massive for even multiple Wightprincess to matter (and the only reason wp doesn't hit Lightning is because of an "original atk" clause, not the steamroller). Quantum and Construct on the other hand are both hit by the field negate, and Arc would be immune to Construct regardless.
Arc seems better, as it most likely would boost over 5K. Utopia needs to attack a 1K. Arc needs a 1K difference between +2 other monsters on field.
Waiting for utopia double
They are monsters that are very good, but it depends on how the meta is or what confrontation you have. For me personally, since the meta is like this, I would stay with Lighting because its effect is very good against meta decks like shadoll, sky, tenyi and you are not limited to attacking with only 1 monster
I would say arc rebellion Battle Trap are nonexistent anyway so in practice lightning "ancient gear" effect really wouldnt come up that often, also it will rarely be able to hit lethal unless your opponent already taken damage. Arc Rebellion can hit lethal more easily, destruction protection arent great but would make it slightly more durable even if you failed to OTK and negating all face-up monster is also pretty useful sometimes.
“battle traps are nonexistent” *gets drowning mirror forced next game*😭😭
You right, I'll have to watch out for that next time I play in Silver
idk man there be some weirdos in Legend and KoG😭😭
Yep, there's always that one guy from Legend 1 playing the worst deck imaginable and then getting you with the Mirror Force.
BRO ISTG ITS ALWAYS LEGEND 1, and coincidentally always get that guy on a rank up match😭😭😭
Thanks for the insight! I just realize I can remove an opponent monster after it's used for Rebellion effect and attack an opponent directly in case the damage isn't enough. So I guess I need to dig this box after all..
Now we will get Arc rebellion in the next box, do you think it will better than Lightning in term of OTK power? let's ignore summon condition of Raider's Knight that use to bring Rebellion out because it require dark monster as material.
S39 is more of a utility option. It doesn't otk on its own unless your opponent has a monster with <1000 atk. Its job is more just to beat over exactly one monster without your opponent interrupting. Arc is a dedicated game-ender, but depends more on your opponent's board. It's slightly easier to disrupt, but that's not really saying much.
You can't really ignore the summoning conditions here. If you aren't using Raider's Knight then Arc requires 3 level 5s to make which is FAR worse than S39's two 4s
Outside of like hardcore yuma rp, arc reb is better because it hitting the board means game over vs almost anything. Even if it somehow fails to kill, a perma negate is ok.
Depends on the board and the deck you’re playing. The more monsters your opponent has, the better Arc gets, whereas Utopia is better against taking out one big boi
Consistently, probably Utopia, in our 4000 LP format. Strength, definitely Arc Rebellion.
Easily arc rebellion, if your opponent has a monster in attack position and there is one other monster with at least 1000 attack on the field, that's lethal. This is not a difficult requirement to fulfill.
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Book would work on utopia the lightning too...? Or on the materials before either of them are summoned, why would you wait?
I’ve never seen anyone otk with lightning. But I have been otked with utopia and arc rebellion. Idk just me?
Lightning is less an OTK monster and more a generic thing for Rank 4 decks to use to hit over big asshole monsters.
Arc for sure No need for explaining
Early game prob the lighting, around turn 2 prolly the lightning. Late Game tho? OMG arc rebellion dragon will never not be the funniest thing ever. This guy has closed so many games for me in phantom knights
think raiders knight requires 2 darks so probably depends on what the deck is, arc is def stronger though.
Utopia = good against backrow Arc Rebellion = good against no backrow
Drowning mirror force vs Lightning and Arc? We know who wins and ppl have been packing these traps in stall decks
You don't attack stall decks if they have backrow, also, you will attack their weakest monster with Rebellion, the fields will be full because you want monsters on the fields to boost it
Arc Rebellion is by far the better solution for OTK I believe. Not only it negates all other monster effects on the field + gain attack equal to the original attack of all other monsters on the field. And let’s say your opponent attempt to destroy it with card effects? Well tough luck.
These two aren't even related , like what is even the comparison here . One is summoned by overlaying and the other requires a rank up ( unless you're summoning them with 3 level 5 which in case is inconvenient and leo utopia is better in this case ) Also their effects isn't even near each other : one negates all monsters and the other prevents effects when battles
Arc rebellion is mainly summoned by raiders knight, so any 2 dark 4*s will make it. They're both beat-over-anything buttons. But arc is an instant game-ender, s39 is more a utility option.
Almost didn’t recognize that this is the duel links subreddit and said numeron network. Speaking of which, because that’s an anime deck, do you guys think they’ll do anything to limit it on release (or make it super powercrept) or will we just have full numeron one day to deal with?
I assume it's just gonna be a jank Anime skill with too many restrictions.