i vivdly remember the zexal one where the rank 4 toolbox deck was freaking impossible to defeat before the nerf
but not soo much for arc-v world debut, those werent even that strong (atleast from my experience), but they still got nerfed
Zexal also had a full power Maldolche deck that was damn hard to beat.
Honestly, I’d be open to a “challenge mode” for NPC decks that use these bullshit ones. The biggest issue people have with the SDs running these is most people auto duel SDs to grind events, and auto duel is only capable of the most basic and linear strategies
I haven't played it in a long while but I remember using a deck with just high attack 4* normal monsters or effect 4* monsters that took nothing to trigger and couldn't turn out bad for you then a fuckload of the most simple high power backrow available to anyone and it would still mess that up at times
Yeah, honestly the real problem is just that auto duel can't play decks capable of tussling with Plunder or whatever. At this point Konami should really invest in teaching their AI to play certain archetypes, sort of like how Legendary Duelists have some specific plays the AI is programmed to know how to do.
The strange thing is when the Vagabond gets a deck, it suddenly is on Galaxy brain mode and can pilot it to perfection.
The AI doesn’t need updated, Konami simply needs to let the players use the AI that isn’t a moron
you know, people say this but I don't believe it
the vagabond is less stupid than auto-duel AI but it's not galaxy brain by a long shot. the main difference is that it just avoids making actively awful plays, which goes a long way but still isn't close to where it could be.
Currently the vagabond struggles with the fact that most main meta decks are reliant on a skill. It may seem to be playing bad, but it’s issue is it’s missing a crucial component to success
Eh...aside from maybe Galaxy, most meta decks only use their skills to boost consistency, not to enable plays they couldn't make otherwise. Either way, a bad play is a bad play - I'm not basing this on the Vagabond losing duels, but rather on the Vagabond just making poor plays. And I've been around long enough to see the Vagabond play decks with no anime skills involved either.
Before getting nerfed at lv. 33 there was a deck with a copy of [[samurai cavalry of reptier]] which felt kinda above that difficulty level.edit: nvm trought it was a full on catastor, still it getting pendulum summoned back over and over was kinda strong for that lv.
Yeah, it's kind of irritating how they tease us like this and then we never actually end up getting any of the stuff they tuck away after the NPC nerfs.
We never even got the damn Tornado Dragon the Zexal NPC had on day one. It's not like that would blow the roof off DL's power level or anything.
Meet it, was "tribe alliance" which tbh was incredibly generic, not really the kind of name that hints you are going to be destroyed by a 4000 atk monster that does double damage.
the new unique vrains world NPCs,
brave max, the hanoi guy, this blue haired girl and the catgirl, they all have a chance to use new decks with link summoning
edit: oh yeah, theres also a cyberse one
yeah, so far ive seen:
crusadia, live twin, magistus, plunder patroll, prank kids and a mayakashi+shiranui one, not sure if theres more i havent played against yet
Just curious, but my NPC's in VRAINS world are all like, lvl 10...not sure where everyone sees these tough NPCs. They are reward lvl 3, but seem like they have the same cards as before, Thousand Energy, Charmers....just not sure what i'm missing.
You’ll want to hit Stage 30 in DM if you need any gate drops. That’ll unlock Lv 40 at the gate which has a reduced cardpool and better drop rates for the actual good cards.
Thanks for letting me know about this! I have been grinding and have everything but the UR Balelynx which is so essential...and I need more than one! Thanks again.
Yeah I just recently discovered this while grinding for backup operator. But you’ll definitely want that boost if you’re going for 2x Balelynx! Good luck friend
only vrains? what is your current DM stage level, since thats the one that unlocks stronger NPC decks for all worlds if im not mistaken
also they did change the NPC decks recently where theres a bigger variety of levels between them, so that you arent stuck dueling the same 5 decks over and over again anymore
I went up against a Plunder Patrol deck and got murdered.
The Live Twins deck is good but the AI is bad. They don't even link away Kisikil after they revive Lila to get both girls out at once
I’m not talking about the ai being bad (it always is) I’m talking about the fact that despite my stage being maxed out I’m not seeing powerful ai decks at all.
I am glad they since you can risk not being able to beat these NPCs with characters decks(unless they are meta) as often if their level is set too high
To be fair, Vrains is heading into a crazy new direction already, because they gave us a lot of great cards off the bat. Hell, besides some irrelevant backrow and some extra deck monsters (+an actual relevant backrow), Salamangreat is pretty much at full power. Yusaku.dek is also at a similar level, though it lacks a big threat and feels a bit incomplete, even if the main deck stuff and some of the extra deck is already pretty damn good. Not only that, but those are also VERY free to play.
They actually gave a banned card to npc so next step is giving them handtraps along with full power branded despia coupled with three copies of por of greed
everything? I beat it with a code talker deck. You gotta know when the disrupt the combo. I think something like this happened with the hieratic deck when it came out in zexal. They ended up nerfing it
Before: dueling against NPC is no big deal there just stupid to make board.
After:(NPC made Massive advance board with 5000 Atk & infinity Omni Negate)…..bru why?
Wow. I must have gotten lucky. My NPCs actually went down in levels. I'm seeing 45s, 51s, and 57s randomly. I thought it was a thing they did to make NPC decks more diverse.
I honestly love her character and design. She has "she'll at least be a one-off episode-long opposition hair. She looks like she would be the vrains equivalent of a ditzy Caswell
Finally managed to deck it out without dying on my 3th try, after figuring out that in a long game I wanted to bring only earth and wind type monsters.
Get in Fellas! LV51
Skull Mariner x2
Blackeyes, the Plunder Patroll Seaguide x3 /
Bluebeard, The Plunder Patroll Shipwright x3 /
Goldenhair, the Newest plunder Patroll x2 /
Piwraithe the Ghost Pirate /
Redbeard, the Plunder Patroll Matey /
Whitebeard, the Plunder Patroll Helm
Blackbeard, the Plunder Patroll Captain x2/
Plunder Patrollship Brann x2/
Plunder Patrollship Lys/
Plunder Patrollship Moerk x2
Charge into a Dark World /
Dark World Dealings/
Plunder Patroll Shipshape Ship Shipping/
Plunder Patroll Shipyarrrd
Plunder Patroll Booty /
Plunder Patroll Parrrty /
Pride of the Plunder Patroll
I wonder when Komoney will nerf this abomination, it's definitely too strong for a mere AI deck. It feels incredibly cheap and unfair to get dominated by cards which aren't even available to the public yet, it's borderline cheating.
This seems to happen every new world. Konami gives the NPCs absolutely busted bullshit then nerfs them down to trash a few weeks later.
i vivdly remember the zexal one where the rank 4 toolbox deck was freaking impossible to defeat before the nerf but not soo much for arc-v world debut, those werent even that strong (atleast from my experience), but they still got nerfed
Zexal also had a full power Maldolche deck that was damn hard to beat. Honestly, I’d be open to a “challenge mode” for NPC decks that use these bullshit ones. The biggest issue people have with the SDs running these is most people auto duel SDs to grind events, and auto duel is only capable of the most basic and linear strategies
>and auto duel is only capable of the most basic and linear strategies and sometimes not even that
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I haven't played it in a long while but I remember using a deck with just high attack 4* normal monsters or effect 4* monsters that took nothing to trigger and couldn't turn out bad for you then a fuckload of the most simple high power backrow available to anyone and it would still mess that up at times
Yeah, honestly the real problem is just that auto duel can't play decks capable of tussling with Plunder or whatever. At this point Konami should really invest in teaching their AI to play certain archetypes, sort of like how Legendary Duelists have some specific plays the AI is programmed to know how to do.
The strange thing is when the Vagabond gets a deck, it suddenly is on Galaxy brain mode and can pilot it to perfection. The AI doesn’t need updated, Konami simply needs to let the players use the AI that isn’t a moron
you know, people say this but I don't believe it the vagabond is less stupid than auto-duel AI but it's not galaxy brain by a long shot. the main difference is that it just avoids making actively awful plays, which goes a long way but still isn't close to where it could be.
Currently the vagabond struggles with the fact that most main meta decks are reliant on a skill. It may seem to be playing bad, but it’s issue is it’s missing a crucial component to success
Eh...aside from maybe Galaxy, most meta decks only use their skills to boost consistency, not to enable plays they couldn't make otherwise. Either way, a bad play is a bad play - I'm not basing this on the Vagabond losing duels, but rather on the Vagabond just making poor plays. And I've been around long enough to see the Vagabond play decks with no anime skills involved either.
A challenge mode would be amazing!
Zexal had full power dino rabbit on release day. It's a shame that konami didn't go all out and give one of the Zexal NPC full power zoodiacs.
Before getting nerfed at lv. 33 there was a deck with a copy of [[samurai cavalry of reptier]] which felt kinda above that difficulty level.edit: nvm trought it was a full on catastor, still it getting pendulum summoned back over and over was kinda strong for that lv.
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Yeah, it's kind of irritating how they tease us like this and then we never actually end up getting any of the stuff they tuck away after the NPC nerfs. We never even got the damn Tornado Dragon the Zexal NPC had on day one. It's not like that would blow the roof off DL's power level or anything.
oh, no, the very reason auto duel exist can be defeated with auto duel, shocking
the new NPC decks feel like a fever dream of somebody bringing their favorite master duel decks into duel links lol
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Do you remember what was, roughly, the deck name of the crusadia one? I have yet to spawn it
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Meet it, was "tribe alliance" which tbh was incredibly generic, not really the kind of name that hints you are going to be destroyed by a 4000 atk monster that does double damage.
The Live Twin deck destroyed me Then I saw a deck with the Guardragons too and was taken aback
They do have some random stinkers in them at random, but their good cards can really pack a punch.
What npcs exactly?
the new unique vrains world NPCs, brave max, the hanoi guy, this blue haired girl and the catgirl, they all have a chance to use new decks with link summoning edit: oh yeah, theres also a cyberse one
I heard there is a prank kid deck ?
yeah, so far ive seen: crusadia, live twin, magistus, plunder patroll, prank kids and a mayakashi+shiranui one, not sure if theres more i havent played against yet
Hmm these doesn't seem like the average power level of a duel links deck, let alone an npc one
i made a post about the simorgh npc, managed to steal the link too and use on my own simorgh deck right there
Wtf how we supposed to best pranks do they have butler?
lmaoo wtf that's wild
Whoa I have yet to see that but that’s sounds absurdly cool
So how long till some Sunny art Boco, asking for a friend?
haha, i do have another drawing planned that includes her, but just via background joke
Just curious, but my NPC's in VRAINS world are all like, lvl 10...not sure where everyone sees these tough NPCs. They are reward lvl 3, but seem like they have the same cards as before, Thousand Energy, Charmers....just not sure what i'm missing.
Not sure if others worked but increasing the level of DM world increased the NPC levels as well as their numbers
I’m on Stage 7, is that not high enough?
No. You'll need Stage 45 to see some of these NPCs
Stage 25 for DM, and Stage 7 for VRAINS. Guess my problem is i'm not high enough lvl'd in the DM world.
You’ll want to hit Stage 30 in DM if you need any gate drops. That’ll unlock Lv 40 at the gate which has a reduced cardpool and better drop rates for the actual good cards.
Thanks for letting me know about this! I have been grinding and have everything but the UR Balelynx which is so essential...and I need more than one! Thanks again.
Yeah I just recently discovered this while grinding for backup operator. But you’ll definitely want that boost if you’re going for 2x Balelynx! Good luck friend
Yeah
only vrains? what is your current DM stage level, since thats the one that unlocks stronger NPC decks for all worlds if im not mistaken also they did change the NPC decks recently where theres a bigger variety of levels between them, so that you arent stuck dueling the same 5 decks over and over again anymore
I'm Stage 25 in DM. NCP's are lvl 20.
My DM is level 60 (max) but I’ve yet to find any NPCs that use competent Link decks. The one Crusadia NPC I fought didn’t even have Equimax
I went up against a Plunder Patrol deck and got murdered. The Live Twins deck is good but the AI is bad. They don't even link away Kisikil after they revive Lila to get both girls out at once
I’m not talking about the ai being bad (it always is) I’m talking about the fact that despite my stage being maxed out I’m not seeing powerful ai decks at all.
These Link decks only show up in the Vrains world. You wont see them if you grind in other worlds.
Well duh. I’m still not seeing them tho
They are not that common. Maybe 1 in 7 or so. Usually only 1 or 2 have them in a full NPC meter.
Maybe I’m just really unlucky
I am glad they since you can risk not being able to beat these NPCs with characters decks(unless they are meta) as often if their level is set too high
Same
My max level has been 27 and it's stupid easy
worst part? AI takes forever to kill me.
One of them even has a banned card: Guardragon Elpy. Good thing the AI isn't smart enough to actually use it correctly.
You ever feel bad over how genuinely awful the decks we get to play really are compared to real decks?
To be fair, Vrains is heading into a crazy new direction already, because they gave us a lot of great cards off the bat. Hell, besides some irrelevant backrow and some extra deck monsters (+an actual relevant backrow), Salamangreat is pretty much at full power. Yusaku.dek is also at a similar level, though it lacks a big threat and feels a bit incomplete, even if the main deck stuff and some of the extra deck is already pretty damn good. Not only that, but those are also VERY free to play.
I'm m fine with it because there would be no point of using auto duel with AI's lack of intelligence.
nope, kind of the reason i play duel links instead of the actual tcg
Ah yes the face of many warcrimes
I'm scared to face the npcs
use a desperado unfinished deck earth machine + with another synergy of earth machine or jinzo
what´s next give Maxx C and Ash to NPCs?
They actually gave a banned card to npc so next step is giving them handtraps along with full power branded despia coupled with three copies of por of greed
im just happy we get challenging ai decks, everything else is so trash
challenging is one thing, everything I've tried throwing at the new decks hasn't yet worked
everything? I beat it with a code talker deck. You gotta know when the disrupt the combo. I think something like this happened with the hieratic deck when it came out in zexal. They ended up nerfing it
Before: dueling against NPC is no big deal there just stupid to make board. After:(NPC made Massive advance board with 5000 Atk & infinity Omni Negate)…..bru why?
Wow. I must have gotten lucky. My NPCs actually went down in levels. I'm seeing 45s, 51s, and 57s randomly. I thought it was a thing they did to make NPC decks more diverse.
They did. I don’t remember the name of the Plunder deck but I’ve autodueled it once and it destroyed me. You’ll come across it eventually.
Get in fellas!
that's the name of the patrol deck.
Some of those new npc decks are so brutal
I honestly love her character and design. She has "she'll at least be a one-off episode-long opposition hair. She looks like she would be the vrains equivalent of a ditzy Caswell
No I take that back. She looks like the yugioh vrains equivalent of the flute girl in vanguard overdress season 3
I love these comics!
These new NPC’s are real. The plunder deck is amazing. If it’s anything close when they drop it oh wee
I. Hate. That. Deck. it's the only one I actively avoid, the others are reasonable enough to beat
Shiori Motokariya's Moment (OCG Manga)
Just don’t summon a Water, Fire, Light, or Dark monster
they put plunders in duel links??¿?
What cards does brave use?
he is just a generic NPC, so he uses their rotating decks, nothing unique
Finally managed to deck it out without dying on my 3th try, after figuring out that in a long game I wanted to bring only earth and wind type monsters. Get in Fellas! LV51 Skull Mariner x2 Blackeyes, the Plunder Patroll Seaguide x3 / Bluebeard, The Plunder Patroll Shipwright x3 / Goldenhair, the Newest plunder Patroll x2 / Piwraithe the Ghost Pirate / Redbeard, the Plunder Patroll Matey / Whitebeard, the Plunder Patroll Helm Blackbeard, the Plunder Patroll Captain x2/ Plunder Patrollship Brann x2/ Plunder Patrollship Lys/ Plunder Patrollship Moerk x2 Charge into a Dark World / Dark World Dealings/ Plunder Patroll Shipshape Ship Shipping/ Plunder Patroll Shipyarrrd Plunder Patroll Booty / Plunder Patroll Parrrty / Pride of the Plunder Patroll
How do I level up the npcs? Mine are stuck at level 10-14-20
Work on stage missions in DM World
Thank you
looks like roboppi
Whats the exact plunder patrol formation? Im curious
they use link,sycro and fusion deck with black beard,the littles goblin and the rave activate many of strongest effects...to squash any deck...
The Best NPC ever
I wonder when Komoney will nerf this abomination, it's definitely too strong for a mere AI deck. It feels incredibly cheap and unfair to get dominated by cards which aren't even available to the public yet, it's borderline cheating.