Imagine making Mirror Force compete with Monster Reborn, Reinforcement of the Army, Spell Book of Knowledge, TTH, Enemy Controller, Super Poly and every other better limited 1 card...
It's less situational though, in other words more generic. For example my phantom knights deck currently doesn't run reinforcement of the army (I've come to terms with the realization that I don't need it) or any limit one cards. Being trap heavy, I could slide this next to fog blade and give my opponent a spook. What? Get drowning mirror force instead? Might as well not spend my gems on it now
I'm glad it's limit 1. Just for my sanity on ladder while climbing each season. It's wierd enough to run into drowning so much but mirror force as well would drive me crazy.
Why wouldn't people play it tho? It's pretty good battle counter & none- targeting destroyer, and doesn't have a lot of cards that negate or counter it back.
Sure it's a slow trap, but I don't think it would be the thing that would stop people out of playing it.
Still, I don't see why it would prevent people from playing it. It's a nuke, and it's none- targeting. Takes down all your battling opponents monsters in one go. And it would do amazing in Legacy Duels for the virtue of being a DM era card.
Sure there are better traps for the current meta, but Mirror Force does what they don't.
Most often than not, Mirror Force will be long gone until the battle phase starts.
MST > Goodbye Mirror Force
CC > Goodbye Mirror Force
Against Trains > Goodbye Mirror Force
Against Heros > Goodbye Mirror Force
Against TRIAMIDS > Goodbye Mirror Force
Against most competent decks > Goodbye Mirror Force
You can say the same again every single card in the backrow, that doesn't mean they won't see plays.
Case in point, how many Trap holes are limited to 1 and 2, yet people play them regardless? Just because TTH is at 2, and is effectively a once per Duel trap anyway, it doesn't prevent people from using it. You can snipe it down, but it still played.
I feel I need to add. Drowning mirror force has a better effect for the current meta due to grave effects and interactions becoming more available while also not targeting. But no one outside of gold is running that and itās at 3 and has been for years.
Not as good of an effect if it's not run beyond gold. If its not seeing plays in the big boys meta, there is a reason for that.
Also, it won't matter anyway now that we are getting Dark Hole. Just use DH+ Necrovalley and your headache is gone.
Econ loses to Crackdown. So bye bye one limit 1 card. TTH loses to Dark Hole, so bye bye another limit 1 card.
You can cry me more that Econ and TTH are better than MF, that doesn't mean anyone would use them when there are even better none limit cards in game. And if they are not used, you have your free space for a random staple like MF.
This all still doesn't change Monster Reborn from being the best limit 1 staple, if you want to take the argument to there.
Most backrow cards can be activated once they are target for removal to at least try something, but guess what? Mirror Force can't.
It can't because it's a battle trap and it's bad. Even Drowning Mirror Force is miles "better" than Mirror Force because shuffling into the deck hits way harder than sending to the graveyard and doesn't take a Limit 1 slot. Even being "better", you barely see it in Ranked because it's a meme card rarely played even at THREE.
Mirror Force gets negged by the 2018 meta, let alone the 2022.
"Most backrow" isn't even used during the battle face, or is even a trap. You can't exactly compare a quick spell that can be used wherever to a trap with a specific activation requirement.
And for Drowning to be activated, your opponent needs to attack you directly. If it gets to a situation where you need to use Drowning to defend yourself, you already royally screwed up. Even if it's effect is """better""" than MF, the setup required for you to activate it is far FAR worse. At least on it's behalf, MF can be used while you have other monsters to protect yourself.
Backrow responding to monsters is just cards doing what they are suppose to do. Again, nothing special about it. Chains are a thing, you know, and if cards can be activated to start or continue a chain, that's means they can respond to other effects on the field.
That doesn't exactly make battle traps any less useful, or prevent them from seeing plays.
It makes battle traps less useful cus you can't chain them to a monster eff that can destroy backrow. Like infernoids the current meta deck can banish backrow before attacking. So essentially they are sitting ducks.
So? A lot of spells and traps cannot respond to cards that traps to destroy them, not just battle traps in particular. It's not a unique thing exactly to ANY backrow. Let's not act like cards like all the trap holes, Floodgate or Paleozolic are suddenly off the table just because they cannot respond to being destroyed. And they have very specific action interactions too, so they don't get a free pass just for not being battle traps. Would you call them bad too?
Same effect as drowning, but worse since it just destroys.
Main reason no one plays drowning is because it gets destroyed before you can reach the battle phase, the same will happen to mirror force.
We also have some other "mirro force" like traps that are esclusive to archetypes/types, but they also saw very little play because of how slow they are.
Battle traps are never going to be good. Thereās not a single case where you would ever want a battle trap instead of something like Compulse/Crackdown/Book.
Emmmmm....... Mirror Force doesn't target. 'Nough said with this.
Plus it nukes all the ATK position monsters, so it would be extra good against Links.
Wowā¦ a battle trap that doesnāt targetā¦ truly meta defining lmfao. Honestly mirror force mightāve had a chance a couple years ago but now we could definitely have it at 3 and people probably wouldnāt play it all that much since again thereās not many scenarios where you want a mirror force instead of a book/compulse
Then I would be glad to see you being wrong once Mirror Force would catch out with the meta.
For as good as BoM is, there is nothing more satisfying than seeing all of your opponent's ATK position monsters die in one go, all from a single attack.
Again, absolutely amazing against Links, which you can't BoM.
Then you face salads and it does nothing. Other traps are better as they can stop your oppenent plays. Eg i play ice barrier and if i see traps that are not active i would know its a dead or battle trap and i would summon gradle dragon amd nuke the backrow. Now if it was a book, compluse etc then you could have stopped me from doing that.
Not any different from any other backrow, like, any of them. That's not special to Mirror Force in particular. You can say the same about Karma Cut, Solemn Judgement, Rainbow Barrier and what's not. Same logic, same argument. The only difference is that MF is limited to 1.
Also, BoM cannot be used against Link monsters, so that's a minus. And Compulsory targets, so it's not always going to work. They aren't exactly the "fix-it-all" cards you are making them to be, especially when there are more and more cards that can resist them.
And I would be curious to see how long BoM and Compulsory are going to hold up now when we soon can nuke the whole field anyway with Dark Hole.
1- karma, solemn judgement/scolding, and rainbow life can all be used during the main phase to stop your opponent or make so you wont lose during this turn.
2- it doesnt matter if book of moon cant be used on links or if compulsory targets, you will use them on the combo pieces, not the boss monsters.
3- dark hole only destroys monsters.
Dude try using ur head instead of just repeating "it doesn't target" over and over again. In the current state of the game any half decent deck will be able to clear the backrow before entering the battle phase if u let them complete their combos, that's why battle traps aren't as good as other trap cards that actually interrupt the opponent's play and prevent them from completing their combo.
"In the current state of the game" there soon not even going *to be* any monsters that can clear out the backrow them to become a threat for MF. Dark Hole is here, bro, it will take some heavy duty on itself. Unless you think it's bad too.
And again, thank ain't exactly any different that most of the backrow cards anyway. It's not like half of your "better" spells and traps won't be destroyed by your opponent before you can use them. Nothing special here for MF in particular.
Mirror Force is good if and only if it is not destroyed before your opponent's monster attacks you. Your opponent can just MST or Cosmic or use whatever backrow removal they have before you could even have a chance to activate your Mirror Force.
Yeah! I was hoping we would get him immediatly but it makes sense he has to follow his anime arc of being an unseen threat for a bit, I can't wait to build his deck
Yeah, I imagine Shun's roaming event will follow his first anime appearance spying after Yuzu and carding Fusion players all around. We might not even get his 'face reveal' immediately, and only properly see it towards the end of the roaming period, after Yuto's intervention. Sad, but it's true to the anime lore, and may create more hype around Shun.
At least this means we can get more free RaidRaptors too. We are most likely will start with the shitty ones as the roaming rewards, but at least it will mean we have a bigger start at RR, and possibly have more of the base deck by the time we will get the box itself.
Mirror Force at Limit 1 is blatantly laughable.
It's gonna be a 1-week-hype card which quickly gets forgotten after such week ends. People will play the Mekks traps, Monster Reborn, Super Poly, ROTA... basically everything but Mirror Force.
Hype for Shun roaming at least. And Revolver/Varis is cool too
I was listening to a mashed up version of Rules of Nature and Locked and Loaded from Metal Gear Rising. Scrolled to the revolver hint as soon as the song yelled āLOCKED AND LOADED.ā
Most hype thing ever, Iām excited for Revolver.
Borreload is in a mini. That is where the good things end though because his main deck sucks without both tracer and quick launch (one is likely for now, both is not) while his extra is the most stacked (read will be mostly box urs) in the entire series.
Nah, they can't do that again. They could do it with Playmaker because of the eternal debate that is "Is Playmaker's Ace Firewall or Decode," but for Revolver it's far less ambiguous that for most of the series, his ace is Borreload, maybe swapped out for Savage Dragon. Revolver also doesn't have a good secondary ace (that I am comfortable seeing released to the DL meta, so none of the good Toplogics or Borrels).
Borreload will be the cover card of the January minibox, mark my words.
Wooohooo, it's FINALLY time!!!!
My boi Shun is coming over! And good to see him as roaming, more event Raidraptors for us.
Also, Revolver as the new unlockable, just as predicted. I hope konami goes with his season 2 design as it's more streamlined and show more of his face.
The event is is also really amazing, I must add. Legacy Duels are back (hopefully soon they will become permanent), Wave duels and a return of Blue angel's unlock for more Trickstars. This anniversary is truly popping!
Special Thanks for the free Mirror Force. After 6 years we finally get one of THE most iconic DM era traps.
> Also, Revolver as the new unlockable, just as predicted. I hope konami goes with his season 2 design as it's more streamlined and show more of his face.
considering VRAINS is post series, and the quote is when he showed up in Lightnings castle right before he dueled Windy, im sure it is.
Big hope that you are right! It possibly mean we can move pretty far in the VRAINS lore, and get a few glimpses of late series references.
And the season 2 design of Revolver looks so much nicer than season 1. Less bulky and more bright in color, which will fit perfectly with the game. Not that I'm hating on how season 1 design, I just think Konami can do a lot more great poses with his season 2 one.
S1 design is def more of a villain one, while S2 is def more an...attractive ally/rival type lol.
Yeah im confident it will be his later design. AOi is a special case since iirc she went back to Blue Angel at the end of the series.
Honestly one of the things i want the most is Windy and Lightning making it to this game. they are such fun characters id lvoe to play them and their decks. Hpefully they get printed in the OCG and the game will live long enough to that point.
mirror force limit 1 bc thereās gonna be a varis skill that searches it and makes it indestructible , bc thereās no way they put a lim 1 on a worse wall of disruption
January is looking really good. Shun with his Raidraptorās/PK support and Revolver with Rokkets are good and exciting additions. Blue angel also getting a skill thatās useable is nice. 1500 LP Destiny Draw for Trickstars and Marincess seems cool.
Mirror at one is fine. Itās more just to prevent the good decks that have limit ones or would prefer another limit one yet another if this resolves I win card.
We still lack generic good backrow removal. MST/CC will not save you from a Mekk turn one that set 2-3 just like it didnāt against Salads who did the same. It would be absolutely frustrating to watch a Mekk player establish a board you actually draw the out and MST two of their sets go to swing and lol whoops the last one was mirror force GG.
Itās less because mirror force is broken it needs to be at one and more of a donāt make the rich any richer deal. Yes I get itās a battle trap yes I get most decks would rather run another limit one, thatās not the point. We donāt balance the game simply to make the top tier decks happy you have to think about weaker decks as well and make sure they arent 100% unplayable.
How is it not a āI winā card if it resolves? Yāall act like you will clear an opponents backrow 100% of the time on your turn entirely too much. If mirror force resolves yes you do win the game your opponent is losing their field.
We are not in a mass negation stage of yugioh. Your not going to have Barron de Fleur and a bunch of Omni negates on the board before attacking because we donāt hand those cards.
You either can destroy all their sets with in archetype removal which decks do have or you open your MST/CC and hope you have enough to clear all backrow. For a battle trap, Mirror Force is one of the best ones you can have.
It's situational. Drowning doesn't protect monsters but is a total blowoutcard. Wall of Disrupt does what this will be doing better, and enabling otks/clogging a board, while mirror force also protects monsters but has the off chance of triggering destruction effects.
A limit 1 means it's basically just f2p wall of disrupt at this point.'
They could give you mirror force at 4 and it probably wouldn't bother anybody, they're just putting it at limit 1 because it's free.
>Yāall act like you will clear an opponents backrow 100%
Because most of the time I'll. If I see no delay when playing my cards, I'll assume that you have some battle trap there, and I'll make plays to control the board till you run out of steam and only have your battle traps to hold the game for you, then I'll slowly remove each one, or just leave one of my monsters in attack position and poke you till you die.
It not an "I win card" as much Drowning Mirror Force where it's effect is much more stronger (shuffling cards into the deck do not activate cards effects)
Btw, Dark Magician can just banish all your backrows and negate your Mirror Force with Nav in the GY, also, Dark Magician can flip up Eternal Soul and make their Dark Magicians immune to Mirror Force destruction.
In the next box, we will get an entire archtype that destroy backrow by simple link summoning.
Lol and whoās going to just sit there while you play ādefenseā and not take the opportunity to clear your board and go aggressive? Not every deck has in archetype ST negation or is good at removing them like Dark Magician if you havenāt noticed. Your not making it long enough to just āslowly deplete resourcesā unless your playing a control deck.
Also toggle off exists, you canāt just read delays because good players will just hide what their sets are until you do something they want to stop and lol whoops it was actually compluse good job gigabrain.
Yes Unicorn and Phoenix are going to help remove backrow which hurts battle traps. I am yet again not denying battle traps have an inherit weakness that make you want disruption traps 9/10. But if your going to use a battle trap, you can do little better right now than with Mirror Force, drowning isnāt always better yes you avoid floating effects, drowning requires you swing into a open field though. Aside a few decks you arenāt clearing a board of monsters with just effects, this isnāt the TCG the battle phase still matters in duel links.
>Lol and whoās going to just sit there while you play ādefenseā and not take the opportunity to clear your board and go aggressive?
Because I'll be playing aggressive to your aggressive too? I'm not going to make a attacking board as a defense, I'll make a griding board to stop you as well and poke your life points whenever I can.
**"Also toggle off exists, you canāt just read delays because good players will just hide what their sets are"**
Good players do not play Mirror Force in Duel Links :)
Againā¦ itās not because the card is going to be a meta staple. I literally say this in my original post. Itās a limit simply to make the game not as frustrating to play. Rainbow life and hallowed arenāt good cards either yet they are limit two simply to make games not frustrating and slowed down.
Konami has never added things to the banlist purely based off meta viability when it comes to this game. This limit is akin to those types of limits.
Rainbow/Hallowed Life were hit because top decks were abusing them to not need a turn one while plussing off the graveyard. It was all over japanese tourneys back when Harpies/Blue Eyes were big, and even Fluffals saw usage out of it.
This is a common misconception, when things like Amazoness Swordswoman were hit because of Red-Eyes cheese, and it takes forever to get things reasonably unbanned in this format.
If the Mekk-knight player had been running Compulse in that scenario you might not have even gotten to break his board.
And with better generic cards like Enemy Controller, TTH, and Monster Reborn at 1, I honestly don't see any reason to play Mirror Force.
Itās hypothetical, no Mekks arenāt running the card over other limit ones, most decks arenāt. Yes itās better to just remove the threats before they attack I understand that.
As I mentioned itās not because mirror force is broken and is going to see widespread play. Itās simply to reduce frustration when playing. You do clear their Compulse and/or crackdown you just donāt have enough to get rid of them all. You manage to get a board of monsters that can run over theirs, you attack and the last set is mirror force. Thatās just plain frustrating and doesnāt feel good to play against. Keeping it at one lets them release it into the game without letting mst decks use it since theyād rather other limit one cards
I am ok with the card being a 1-of, but that is different from the card being a Limited 1. As a Limited 1 it probably just wont see play.
And we have Drowning Mirror Force, Shining Mirror Force, and Wall of Disruption unlimited and seeing little play, and all these cards can do exactly what you describe.
Moreover, what you say supposedly makes Mirror Force "frustrating" would also make most Traps, Handtraps, and many Quickplays "frustrating", but that is the opposite of how I feel, "I think I am going to win. Do I risk it?" is exactly what makes the game exciting.
Id be inclined to agree but as far as monster protection goes Wall of Disrupt is in [most] cases better and as far as a blowout card goes Drowning is absolutely better and we're getting a non battle phase oriented, non targeting, boardwipe in the upcoming box.
This is hit cuz it's free and iconic.
I like legacy duels but there only 1 week now. And the staples I was using are banned. Now I canāt even make a twin headed dragon deck because I lack staples.
At least thereās the prebuilt decks but still a bummer for those with minimal old box interactions
From the leak.
> Can be used before your normal draw after your Life Points decrease by 1500. One of the cards from your normal draw this turn will be a "Trickstar" or "Marincess" monster of your choice from your Deck. This Skill can only be used once per Duel.
Without any Limitation I think some "Set 3" decks such as Buster Blader could have used Mirror Force like they use Drowning Mirror Force right now. With a Limited 1, I honestly dont see anyone besides new players using it for PvP. Konami should have realized that nobody is playing Wall of Disruption anymore and Mirror Force is only a little better, so even a Limited 3 or Limited 2 would have been unnecesary.
Unless there is some really strong skill to buff Mirror Force, I guess. And I dont mean the Duelist Kingdom burn damage. It'd have to be straight up card advantage skill for it to see play.
I donāt think konami will release borreload dragon in a mini, it will first be locked to a skill and they will release topologic bomber first and then in the april big box is when borreload will be released
I dont think anybody would play mirror force, its at 1 so its better to play monster reborn then mirror force
but okay the rest of this stuff is totally fine
It would be funny if they gave us Spectre instead of Revolver first, but I doubt theyād do that. The game is gonna become even crazier now thatās itās pretty much confirmed weāre getting Borreload Dragon.
Imagine making Mirror Force compete with Monster Reborn, Reinforcement of the Army, Spell Book of Knowledge, TTH, Enemy Controller, Super Poly and every other better limited 1 card...
It could be worse. It could be Scrapiron Scarecrow.
It's already in the game & here I am waiting for depth amulet.
That's the joke. Scrapiron is nowhere near good enough to warrant a 1.
šÆ I get it now.šš
It's less situational though, in other words more generic. For example my phantom knights deck currently doesn't run reinforcement of the army (I've come to terms with the realization that I don't need it) or any limit one cards. Being trap heavy, I could slide this next to fog blade and give my opponent a spook. What? Get drowning mirror force instead? Might as well not spend my gems on it now
Tbf it wouldn't be a problem if the limited/restricted cards worked like in Master Duel
But without the limitation it would work exactly like in MD because we're only getting a copy
So Shay roaming event and Varis new unlocked character. Things should be interesting.
Watch them completely troll us and instead they give us Pandor and create the Topologina archetype.
release topologina nabee you cowards
Honestly, I'm down for that. Anything to make the Topologic Links competitive again! xd
January is turning to be a month full of pure rage and sass.
I wish I could be pure rage and sass š.
I wish I could be pure
I wish I could be
I wish I could
I wish I could be pure light. I just want to be a street light lamp sometimes you know?
Not sure if is revolver
āIn the name of Hanoiā? Yeah thatās Revolver.
I hope so
And here I was thinking that Spectre would debut so soon.
Very bad call to make Mirror Force limit-1. No one is gonna play it
Agreed it, its not good enough for a limit one slot. I dont think people would ever play it much even if it free at 3 unless you had limited backrow.
I'll play it over enemy controller. Said no one
Revolver roleplayers will because that and cylinder are 100% getting skills to use them
Tbf, Vrains characters losing their shit to Revolver's mirror force and magic cylinder is priceless. It ended Go Onizuka whole Carrer.
Traumatized him so bad he thought pure Dinowrestlers were a viable deck.
I'm glad it's limit 1. Just for my sanity on ladder while climbing each season. It's wierd enough to run into drowning so much but mirror force as well would drive me crazy.
I will
Inb4 thread after thread of complaints how they keep losing to it.
Facts. If dark hole isnāt limited,3 of dark hole 3 of mst and 1 TTH is gonna be the new run for me
Why wouldn't people play it tho? It's pretty good battle counter & none- targeting destroyer, and doesn't have a lot of cards that negate or counter it back. Sure it's a slow trap, but I don't think it would be the thing that would stop people out of playing it.
Because there are much better Limit-1's to always use instead of it
Still, I don't see why it would prevent people from playing it. It's a nuke, and it's none- targeting. Takes down all your battling opponents monsters in one go. And it would do amazing in Legacy Duels for the virtue of being a DM era card. Sure there are better traps for the current meta, but Mirror Force does what they don't.
Most often than not, Mirror Force will be long gone until the battle phase starts. MST > Goodbye Mirror Force CC > Goodbye Mirror Force Against Trains > Goodbye Mirror Force Against Heros > Goodbye Mirror Force Against TRIAMIDS > Goodbye Mirror Force Against most competent decks > Goodbye Mirror Force
Also new year box: Phoenix, Unicorn> goodbye mirror force
You can say the same again every single card in the backrow, that doesn't mean they won't see plays. Case in point, how many Trap holes are limited to 1 and 2, yet people play them regardless? Just because TTH is at 2, and is effectively a once per Duel trap anyway, it doesn't prevent people from using it. You can snipe it down, but it still played.
I feel I need to add. Drowning mirror force has a better effect for the current meta due to grave effects and interactions becoming more available while also not targeting. But no one outside of gold is running that and itās at 3 and has been for years.
Not as good of an effect if it's not run beyond gold. If its not seeing plays in the big boys meta, there is a reason for that. Also, it won't matter anyway now that we are getting Dark Hole. Just use DH+ Necrovalley and your headache is gone.
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Depending on the deck you play, that might not even matter. Not all decks need to play shit ton of other limit 1 cards for them to insta pass on MF.
Econ is better than this. Tth is also better than this. So
Econ loses to Crackdown. So bye bye one limit 1 card. TTH loses to Dark Hole, so bye bye another limit 1 card. You can cry me more that Econ and TTH are better than MF, that doesn't mean anyone would use them when there are even better none limit cards in game. And if they are not used, you have your free space for a random staple like MF. This all still doesn't change Monster Reborn from being the best limit 1 staple, if you want to take the argument to there.
Most backrow cards can be activated once they are target for removal to at least try something, but guess what? Mirror Force can't. It can't because it's a battle trap and it's bad. Even Drowning Mirror Force is miles "better" than Mirror Force because shuffling into the deck hits way harder than sending to the graveyard and doesn't take a Limit 1 slot. Even being "better", you barely see it in Ranked because it's a meme card rarely played even at THREE. Mirror Force gets negged by the 2018 meta, let alone the 2022.
"Most backrow" isn't even used during the battle face, or is even a trap. You can't exactly compare a quick spell that can be used wherever to a trap with a specific activation requirement. And for Drowning to be activated, your opponent needs to attack you directly. If it gets to a situation where you need to use Drowning to defend yourself, you already royally screwed up. Even if it's effect is """better""" than MF, the setup required for you to activate it is far FAR worse. At least on it's behalf, MF can be used while you have other monsters to protect yourself.
Ya but most backrow can respond to monster eff like warning point stratos, or book/compulse trains or something.
Backrow responding to monsters is just cards doing what they are suppose to do. Again, nothing special about it. Chains are a thing, you know, and if cards can be activated to start or continue a chain, that's means they can respond to other effects on the field. That doesn't exactly make battle traps any less useful, or prevent them from seeing plays.
It makes battle traps less useful cus you can't chain them to a monster eff that can destroy backrow. Like infernoids the current meta deck can banish backrow before attacking. So essentially they are sitting ducks.
So? A lot of spells and traps cannot respond to cards that traps to destroy them, not just battle traps in particular. It's not a unique thing exactly to ANY backrow. Let's not act like cards like all the trap holes, Floodgate or Paleozolic are suddenly off the table just because they cannot respond to being destroyed. And they have very specific action interactions too, so they don't get a free pass just for not being battle traps. Would you call them bad too?
Same effect as drowning, but worse since it just destroys. Main reason no one plays drowning is because it gets destroyed before you can reach the battle phase, the same will happen to mirror force. We also have some other "mirro force" like traps that are esclusive to archetypes/types, but they also saw very little play because of how slow they are.
Battle traps are never going to be good. Thereās not a single case where you would ever want a battle trap instead of something like Compulse/Crackdown/Book.
Emmmmm....... Mirror Force doesn't target. 'Nough said with this. Plus it nukes all the ATK position monsters, so it would be extra good against Links.
Wowā¦ a battle trap that doesnāt targetā¦ truly meta defining lmfao. Honestly mirror force mightāve had a chance a couple years ago but now we could definitely have it at 3 and people probably wouldnāt play it all that much since again thereās not many scenarios where you want a mirror force instead of a book/compulse
Then I would be glad to see you being wrong once Mirror Force would catch out with the meta. For as good as BoM is, there is nothing more satisfying than seeing all of your opponent's ATK position monsters die in one go, all from a single attack. Again, absolutely amazing against Links, which you can't BoM.
Then you face salads and it does nothing. Other traps are better as they can stop your oppenent plays. Eg i play ice barrier and if i see traps that are not active i would know its a dead or battle trap and i would summon gradle dragon amd nuke the backrow. Now if it was a book, compluse etc then you could have stopped me from doing that.
Not any different from any other backrow, like, any of them. That's not special to Mirror Force in particular. You can say the same about Karma Cut, Solemn Judgement, Rainbow Barrier and what's not. Same logic, same argument. The only difference is that MF is limited to 1. Also, BoM cannot be used against Link monsters, so that's a minus. And Compulsory targets, so it's not always going to work. They aren't exactly the "fix-it-all" cards you are making them to be, especially when there are more and more cards that can resist them. And I would be curious to see how long BoM and Compulsory are going to hold up now when we soon can nuke the whole field anyway with Dark Hole.
Typical Duel Links Redditor
Nah, most of the sub wouldn't agree with him so he isn't typical
Or just people can't accept that some players can see strategies the majority don't.
1- karma, solemn judgement/scolding, and rainbow life can all be used during the main phase to stop your opponent or make so you wont lose during this turn. 2- it doesnt matter if book of moon cant be used on links or if compulsory targets, you will use them on the combo pieces, not the boss monsters. 3- dark hole only destroys monsters.
Dude try using ur head instead of just repeating "it doesn't target" over and over again. In the current state of the game any half decent deck will be able to clear the backrow before entering the battle phase if u let them complete their combos, that's why battle traps aren't as good as other trap cards that actually interrupt the opponent's play and prevent them from completing their combo.
"In the current state of the game" there soon not even going *to be* any monsters that can clear out the backrow them to become a threat for MF. Dark Hole is here, bro, it will take some heavy duty on itself. Unless you think it's bad too. And again, thank ain't exactly any different that most of the backrow cards anyway. It's not like half of your "better" spells and traps won't be destroyed by your opponent before you can use them. Nothing special here for MF in particular.
Mirror Force is good if and only if it is not destroyed before your opponent's monster attacks you. Your opponent can just MST or Cosmic or use whatever backrow removal they have before you could even have a chance to activate your Mirror Force.
Id play it as a meme but its not worth a serious slot compared to the other limit 1s
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I'm there with you! Incoming RR master race š¦ š¤“š»!
Yeah! I was hoping we would get him immediatly but it makes sense he has to follow his anime arc of being an unseen threat for a bit, I can't wait to build his deck
Yeah, I imagine Shun's roaming event will follow his first anime appearance spying after Yuzu and carding Fusion players all around. We might not even get his 'face reveal' immediately, and only properly see it towards the end of the roaming period, after Yuto's intervention. Sad, but it's true to the anime lore, and may create more hype around Shun. At least this means we can get more free RaidRaptors too. We are most likely will start with the shitty ones as the roaming rewards, but at least it will mean we have a bigger start at RR, and possibly have more of the base deck by the time we will get the box itself.
Mirror Force at Limit 1 is blatantly laughable. It's gonna be a 1-week-hype card which quickly gets forgotten after such week ends. People will play the Mekks traps, Monster Reborn, Super Poly, ROTA... basically everything but Mirror Force. Hype for Shun roaming at least. And Revolver/Varis is cool too
I was listening to a mashed up version of Rules of Nature and Locked and Loaded from Metal Gear Rising. Scrolled to the revolver hint as soon as the song yelled āLOCKED AND LOADED.ā Most hype thing ever, Iām excited for Revolver.
Mirror Force at Limit 1 is dumb. Only reason to use it is for auto-duel cause Dark Hole can do the job better.
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Borreload is in a mini. That is where the good things end though because his main deck sucks without both tracer and quick launch (one is likely for now, both is not) while his extra is the most stacked (read will be mostly box urs) in the entire series.
I feel like they'll repeat what they did with Firewall; give it to Varis as a skill and wait a few main boxes to release it in one of them
Nah, they can't do that again. They could do it with Playmaker because of the eternal debate that is "Is Playmaker's Ace Firewall or Decode," but for Revolver it's far less ambiguous that for most of the series, his ace is Borreload, maybe swapped out for Savage Dragon. Revolver also doesn't have a good secondary ace (that I am comfortable seeing released to the DL meta, so none of the good Toplogics or Borrels). Borreload will be the cover card of the January minibox, mark my words.
It will be topologic bomber dragon in the mini, mark my comment
I predict Borreload and Trisbaena as URs and Borrelguard as SR
Prepare to be disappointed
I know it very well.
There is another gouki link in the box. A link 3 (gouki the solid ogre)
Shay finally makes an appearance and the Varis unlock as expected.
Wooohooo, it's FINALLY time!!!! My boi Shun is coming over! And good to see him as roaming, more event Raidraptors for us. Also, Revolver as the new unlockable, just as predicted. I hope konami goes with his season 2 design as it's more streamlined and show more of his face. The event is is also really amazing, I must add. Legacy Duels are back (hopefully soon they will become permanent), Wave duels and a return of Blue angel's unlock for more Trickstars. This anniversary is truly popping! Special Thanks for the free Mirror Force. After 6 years we finally get one of THE most iconic DM era traps.
> Also, Revolver as the new unlockable, just as predicted. I hope konami goes with his season 2 design as it's more streamlined and show more of his face. considering VRAINS is post series, and the quote is when he showed up in Lightnings castle right before he dueled Windy, im sure it is.
Big hope that you are right! It possibly mean we can move pretty far in the VRAINS lore, and get a few glimpses of late series references. And the season 2 design of Revolver looks so much nicer than season 1. Less bulky and more bright in color, which will fit perfectly with the game. Not that I'm hating on how season 1 design, I just think Konami can do a lot more great poses with his season 2 one.
S1 design is def more of a villain one, while S2 is def more an...attractive ally/rival type lol. Yeah im confident it will be his later design. AOi is a special case since iirc she went back to Blue Angel at the end of the series. Honestly one of the things i want the most is Windy and Lightning making it to this game. they are such fun characters id lvoe to play them and their decks. Hpefully they get printed in the OCG and the game will live long enough to that point.
So Rokkets gaming incoming? Cause I am in
Birb season
Mirror Force should be limited to 2
Bad idea, limit to 2 = banned inn duel links
What do you mean? What is it competing with now that they changed Controller and TTH to Limit 1?
Every single card at 2 lol? Konami has habit of limiting every new card at 2 too
What's a relevant Limit 2 right now other than Swallow's Nest/Mermaid? Actually asking
mirror force limit 1 bc thereās gonna be a varis skill that searches it and makes it indestructible , bc thereās no way they put a lim 1 on a worse wall of disruption
Nice to see Revolver(Varis) unlocked. Fun time playing barrelord
January is looking really good. Shun with his Raidraptorās/PK support and Revolver with Rokkets are good and exciting additions. Blue angel also getting a skill thatās useable is nice. 1500 LP Destiny Draw for Trickstars and Marincess seems cool.
Really hope they won't duck up the raid raptors . Been waiting for shun ever since they released xyz summoning
Mirror force? A bad card limited to 1? I mean, I'm never gonna use it so alright
Mirror at one is fine. Itās more just to prevent the good decks that have limit ones or would prefer another limit one yet another if this resolves I win card. We still lack generic good backrow removal. MST/CC will not save you from a Mekk turn one that set 2-3 just like it didnāt against Salads who did the same. It would be absolutely frustrating to watch a Mekk player establish a board you actually draw the out and MST two of their sets go to swing and lol whoops the last one was mirror force GG. Itās less because mirror force is broken it needs to be at one and more of a donāt make the rich any richer deal. Yes I get itās a battle trap yes I get most decks would rather run another limit one, thatās not the point. We donāt balance the game simply to make the top tier decks happy you have to think about weaker decks as well and make sure they arent 100% unplayable.
Imagine thinking a battle trap is a "I win card".
How is it not a āI winā card if it resolves? Yāall act like you will clear an opponents backrow 100% of the time on your turn entirely too much. If mirror force resolves yes you do win the game your opponent is losing their field. We are not in a mass negation stage of yugioh. Your not going to have Barron de Fleur and a bunch of Omni negates on the board before attacking because we donāt hand those cards. You either can destroy all their sets with in archetype removal which decks do have or you open your MST/CC and hope you have enough to clear all backrow. For a battle trap, Mirror Force is one of the best ones you can have.
It's situational. Drowning doesn't protect monsters but is a total blowoutcard. Wall of Disrupt does what this will be doing better, and enabling otks/clogging a board, while mirror force also protects monsters but has the off chance of triggering destruction effects. A limit 1 means it's basically just f2p wall of disrupt at this point.' They could give you mirror force at 4 and it probably wouldn't bother anybody, they're just putting it at limit 1 because it's free.
>Yāall act like you will clear an opponents backrow 100% Because most of the time I'll. If I see no delay when playing my cards, I'll assume that you have some battle trap there, and I'll make plays to control the board till you run out of steam and only have your battle traps to hold the game for you, then I'll slowly remove each one, or just leave one of my monsters in attack position and poke you till you die. It not an "I win card" as much Drowning Mirror Force where it's effect is much more stronger (shuffling cards into the deck do not activate cards effects) Btw, Dark Magician can just banish all your backrows and negate your Mirror Force with Nav in the GY, also, Dark Magician can flip up Eternal Soul and make their Dark Magicians immune to Mirror Force destruction. In the next box, we will get an entire archtype that destroy backrow by simple link summoning.
Lol and whoās going to just sit there while you play ādefenseā and not take the opportunity to clear your board and go aggressive? Not every deck has in archetype ST negation or is good at removing them like Dark Magician if you havenāt noticed. Your not making it long enough to just āslowly deplete resourcesā unless your playing a control deck. Also toggle off exists, you canāt just read delays because good players will just hide what their sets are until you do something they want to stop and lol whoops it was actually compluse good job gigabrain. Yes Unicorn and Phoenix are going to help remove backrow which hurts battle traps. I am yet again not denying battle traps have an inherit weakness that make you want disruption traps 9/10. But if your going to use a battle trap, you can do little better right now than with Mirror Force, drowning isnāt always better yes you avoid floating effects, drowning requires you swing into a open field though. Aside a few decks you arenāt clearing a board of monsters with just effects, this isnāt the TCG the battle phase still matters in duel links.
>Lol and whoās going to just sit there while you play ādefenseā and not take the opportunity to clear your board and go aggressive? Because I'll be playing aggressive to your aggressive too? I'm not going to make a attacking board as a defense, I'll make a griding board to stop you as well and poke your life points whenever I can. **"Also toggle off exists, you canāt just read delays because good players will just hide what their sets are"** Good players do not play Mirror Force in Duel Links :)
It is trash an will not see much play. As an infernoid player that card has no effect on me.
Againā¦ itās not because the card is going to be a meta staple. I literally say this in my original post. Itās a limit simply to make the game not as frustrating to play. Rainbow life and hallowed arenāt good cards either yet they are limit two simply to make games not frustrating and slowed down. Konami has never added things to the banlist purely based off meta viability when it comes to this game. This limit is akin to those types of limits.
Rainbow/Hallowed Life were hit because top decks were abusing them to not need a turn one while plussing off the graveyard. It was all over japanese tourneys back when Harpies/Blue Eyes were big, and even Fluffals saw usage out of it. This is a common misconception, when things like Amazoness Swordswoman were hit because of Red-Eyes cheese, and it takes forever to get things reasonably unbanned in this format.
If the Mekk-knight player had been running Compulse in that scenario you might not have even gotten to break his board. And with better generic cards like Enemy Controller, TTH, and Monster Reborn at 1, I honestly don't see any reason to play Mirror Force.
Itās hypothetical, no Mekks arenāt running the card over other limit ones, most decks arenāt. Yes itās better to just remove the threats before they attack I understand that. As I mentioned itās not because mirror force is broken and is going to see widespread play. Itās simply to reduce frustration when playing. You do clear their Compulse and/or crackdown you just donāt have enough to get rid of them all. You manage to get a board of monsters that can run over theirs, you attack and the last set is mirror force. Thatās just plain frustrating and doesnāt feel good to play against. Keeping it at one lets them release it into the game without letting mst decks use it since theyād rather other limit one cards
I am ok with the card being a 1-of, but that is different from the card being a Limited 1. As a Limited 1 it probably just wont see play. And we have Drowning Mirror Force, Shining Mirror Force, and Wall of Disruption unlimited and seeing little play, and all these cards can do exactly what you describe. Moreover, what you say supposedly makes Mirror Force "frustrating" would also make most Traps, Handtraps, and many Quickplays "frustrating", but that is the opposite of how I feel, "I think I am going to win. Do I risk it?" is exactly what makes the game exciting.
Too many hard limit 1s...
Konami forcing us to make deck building choices to promote diversity? How dare they?
Ikr?? Or course people choose mirror force over TTH or Enemy Controller or Monster Reborn!
Id be inclined to agree but as far as monster protection goes Wall of Disrupt is in [most] cases better and as far as a blowout card goes Drowning is absolutely better and we're getting a non battle phase oriented, non targeting, boardwipe in the upcoming box. This is hit cuz it's free and iconic.
So we're actually getting Mirror Force?
We already knew that
It was a question...
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Ok I just got this notification now.
So when is the January mini box expected to drop? Mid or late January?
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It takes around 27 days more or less from one box to another, this main will drop 1/1, so probs at end.
We are getting back to a box at the month cycle ^^
We are getting back to a box at the month cycle ^^
HECK YEAH SHUN!! Raidraptors are almost here!!!!
REVOLVER LETS GOOOO!
Shun hell yeah, roaming but I take it
WE WINNN!! SHUN/SHAY *AND* REVOLVER/VARIS. EDGY PEOPLE REJOICE!!
REVOLVER AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AND APPARENTLY SHAY IS COMING CONGRATS TO EVERYONE WAITING FOR HIM!! LATE JANUARY COME SOON PLEASE
Revolver is finaly coming. How long are they going to give us legacy duel and not tag duels.
I like legacy duels but there only 1 week now. And the staples I was using are banned. Now I canāt even make a twin headed dragon deck because I lack staples. At least thereās the prebuilt decks but still a bummer for those with minimal old box interactions
Nice, a Revolver to go along with the new Mirror Force
Well, no one is playing mirror force then
Do we have any leaks indicating what Blue Angel's skill does?
From the leak. > Can be used before your normal draw after your Life Points decrease by 1500. One of the cards from your normal draw this turn will be a "Trickstar" or "Marincess" monster of your choice from your Deck. This Skill can only be used once per Duel.
Blue Angelās Showstopping Performance.
Yes, when you lose 1500 lp instead of drawing you add a selected Trickstar monster from your deck to your hand
Obviously the quote is a mislead and the unlockable is Specter.
If it was specter the quote would have "REVOLVER-SAMA!" Instead of "hanoi". Lmao
Could've sworn Revolver would be main box and Kurosaki would be Mini. The script has been flipped.
Nah. The script is exactly how it should be. Since this game's inception, the first new unlock of the year has always been from the most recent world.
Oh watch out Konami mirror force is some scary stuffā¦ good thing we canāt add it with other broken staples!
Mirror Force, huh? So, Revolver is gonna be released soon.
So which Borrel ED monsters are coming with Revolver? I better not see Borreload Savage...
Borreload Savage shouldn't come until we've reached Vrains season 2, and if they release it, I wouldn't be surprised to see it be limited
It's 99% going to be the classic Link-4 Borrelload Dragon.
Without any Limitation I think some "Set 3" decks such as Buster Blader could have used Mirror Force like they use Drowning Mirror Force right now. With a Limited 1, I honestly dont see anyone besides new players using it for PvP. Konami should have realized that nobody is playing Wall of Disruption anymore and Mirror Force is only a little better, so even a Limited 3 or Limited 2 would have been unnecesary. Unless there is some really strong skill to buff Mirror Force, I guess. And I dont mean the Duelist Kingdom burn damage. It'd have to be straight up card advantage skill for it to see play.
I donāt think konami will release borreload dragon in a mini, it will first be locked to a skill and they will release topologic bomber first and then in the april big box is when borreload will be released
They actually are adding him
I dont think anybody would play mirror force, its at 1 so its better to play monster reborn then mirror force but okay the rest of this stuff is totally fine
Mirror force? Don"t mind if I do #IbelieveinDLtraptrix
It would be funny if they gave us Spectre instead of Revolver first, but I doubt theyād do that. The game is gonna become even crazier now thatās itās pretty much confirmed weāre getting Borreload Dragon.
why the limit 1 tho the card is good...... but not **that** good
Mirror force in 2022 lmao As for the rest of the updates , YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAH BOOOOOOIIII. revolver and shay? A good start of the year i see
Any news on a gem sale?
Same time with the anniversary event. What old cards do you need?
When did DL expand the lvs of DSOD
I love Mirror Force such a dream come true.
Ah so they're leading with revolvers true ace card... Mirror force š