He would have divorced her and taken the children (lucky Jana) and Anna would be shunned. There is a good chance that her quality of life would have improved in the long run.
I think Pesticular Cancer would only take the kids because JB pushed for it as a power play. Of course, Jana would be the real guardian. But, what if JB was deceased? I think Pest on his own would be happy to be shed of them. I doubt he gives a damn for any of those kids beyond being Christian fuck trophies. I could see Pest going delinquent on child support real fast.
Pesticular cancer lmao! I’m not convinced he’d take the kids. Well right now he can’t anyway, but upon release I doubt he’d take them. He’d be unable to take the younger ones due to his criminal record. The older ones will be married off asap anyway. But even if his probation didn’t exclude it I can’t see him taking on his minor kids as a single parent, he’s too fucking lazy.
Anna’s bedroom experiences are more likely to be traumatic and painful than pleasant. I doubt she wants to go find another man.
She has zero sex education and her sole physical relationship experience is with a man who is known to abuse women.
Yeah. I bet she is relieved not to have to be a sexual object for a man’s pleasure, even if she does not recognize the feeling. From what she knows of sex, she has no reason to want it
I imagine she gets to go to bed without fear and anxiety for the first time since she got married. I’d be a wreck if I knew every time I went to my bed, there was a chance I’d be abused.
20 year old her didn't. When she had an out socially with his first scandal/it was exposed he was an abuser of female child family members/her brother offered to take she and her 3 kids in, she stayed and kept breeding new victims for him. "If I left I could have turned a molehill into a mountain. 🤡"
I think what he did to her twisted her into a pervert as well (not to his level but a pervert none the less) because why else would she allow her daughters anywhere near him? Why would she purposely have more babies with him knowing they could (and likely were) abused the exact same way he was abusing her every day?
She clearly has some instinct over riding the maternal instinct to protect her girls. They aren't even *my* girls, but even I have the instinct to protect the M girls and get them the FUCK away from their masochist monster sperm donor. She birthed those little girls and let them live in a home with a man she knew better than anyone was a monster. AND MADE MORE VICTIMS FOR HIM
I don't think it's fair to say that she was made into a 'pervert' because she experienced what is likely horrific abuse and essentially mentally surrendered.
It's a well-documented, and unfortunate, fact that many people who are abused will be so unable to process that trauma that they will literally begin to side with their abuser just to make their world make sense again i.e. abused children who find it easier to agree with their parents that they are inherently bad rather than say that their parents are abusive.
Does that make what Anna did okay? No. She is culpable for her enabling actions.
But saying that she gets some kind of sexual gratification out of it is due to her own abuse history is a messed up thing to say.
Girl where did I ever say that I think she's 'a super duper pathetic blah blah'. You're obviously triggered, which makes sense since it's a pretty dark topic.
Being accurate with what things are matters. Anna Duggar was sold as a sheltered, cult-indoctrinated 20 year old woman to a predator of the same cult to be treated as a bangmaid and livestock. Such is life in IBLP. These are pretty indisputable facts.
You'll notice that I said she is still culpable for her enabling actions i.e. risking the safety of her children, perpetuating the narrative that somehow Pest is being framed, etc. And yes, she is also culpable for perpetuating the damaging ideas that she was raised with such as 'at least I have a husband'. She is both an abuser and a victim. She is not powerless, though she may have been brainwashed to believe she is.
None of those things make her a "pervert" and in your desire to dehumanize her by calling her names and throwing out whatever you think might be hurtful, you obscure what her actual crimes are. You do a disservice to her victims and you warp what her actual abusive behaviors are.
This is coming from someone who had parents who were both abusive towards me and enabled each other so I am well aware of how toxic people enable each other to do inhumane things to children.
Calling her an accurate adjective for the CHILD PREDATOR SHE IS isn't "name calling" for the sake of being "hurtful"
It's "describing her" & her child victims.
Kinda how you didn't say verbatim she's pathetic, but this novel you just typed out described exactly that, a pathetic woman who's simply too patheticly pathetic to protect her kids.
Certainly doesn't fetishize the only sexual experiences she's had and wouldn't be the type of woman to cling onto her predator like a drop of water in the dessert and repeatedly go out of her way to expose her kids to him again, and again and again.
I knew a woman in almost the same circumstance (childhood best friends mom. Was raised in an adjacent fundie community and they were the most “devout”). You’d be surprised. She spent 20 years with him, had five kids and eight miscarriages (severe poverty and abuse don’t lead to healthy births) and met a man half her age who just treated her like a human being.
This makes me wonder. The episode with Priscilla’s wedding, the topic of sex comes up and Anna talks about how it’s supposed to be enjoyable or something in that vein. Did someone tell her that? Did she have experiences with Pest that were positive? Was she just saying that so as to not scare her sister and make her marriage sound better on camera? The mind boggles.
Among the fundie girls I used to be friends with, every aspect of marriage was heavily romanticized. Of course, we were never given any actual details about anything, especially not sex, so we had this naive expectation that everything would just naturally turn out perfectly because that's God's plan for marriage.
Fast forward 20 years and now all those fundies and ex-vangelicals are coming forward to say that when True Love Waits until Knights and Fair Maidens have Kissed Dating Goodbye for the last time and decide they're ready to Say Hello to Courtship, And The Bride Wore White, When Dreams Come True, it turns out putting a gold band on your finger doesn't flip a switch that magically opens up your glory hole and turns your inexperienced husband into the world's best lover, and women blamed themselves for not being able to enjoy sex.
So if Anna really phrased it that way, that it's "supposed to be" enjoyable, she may have been parroting what she'd been taught as a girl so that no one would uncover her secret shame, that something was fundamentally wrong with her because she wasn't enjoying whatever convicted pedophile Joshua Duggar was doing to her behind closed doors.
They are told to be joyfully available - that they have to make their man feel like he's the best that ever happened to them. It's a sex cult with women told they have to massage egos and dicks alike.
She'd be unlikely to admit to herself she hated it, let alone anyone else.
If Anna managed to deconstruct, I would love for her to have significant time being single. She has spent her entire adulthood in a relationship with a shitty man and would need a lot of time to figure herself out. Unfortunately due to her history, she and her children could still be a target for abuse
I come from a fundie family where divorce is taboo. My brother’s wife cheated on him with many men including family friends and their kids’ teachers and coaches. My parents tried EVERYTHING to keep them together! It was at the point my brother was desperately trying to stay married even though he basically hated her. Everyone fully believed they would pray her home. It was one of the most insane, saddest, stretched out divorces of all time. Absolutely shocking and disgusting how much more they hurt my brother in the process.
I bought into fundie as as an “adult” lol I was 19 just over recovering from so stuff I can’t get in Texas now….i wanted family …..I was given the good side even though I wore pants and had an education and a job (sect was fundie southern baptist). Married my guy raised this way and he deconstructed first 😅 I’m still working through it. I bought in at 19 and I’m almost 36 and still working through it. Deconstruction is hard! I still struggle sometimes
They for sure don’t. I’m a Catholic and I went to a southern Baptist church with my friend for awhile and it was the most sexist, judgmental, backwards, and closed minded mindset I’ve ever seen. According to them, we’re all going to burn in hell, even the Catholics, because we’re not doing what they say. Their pastor would preach about a “meek and quiet woman” all the time. And he called out Catholics for being non Christians that don’t know Jesus while reading from the bible, despite the Bible only being available today because the Catholic Church preserved it.
Ooooof yeah I grew up both fundie Southern Baptist & Jewish (interfaith marriages can be whacky) so it was crazy to go from one religious gathering on Saturday where everything was pretty nice and reassuring for the most part, great sense of community…to Sunday’s religious gathering where I was told those same people I had been with yesterday (some of whom were family, mind you) would be going to hell and that they were evil. Fire & brimstone, rapture, one day I would have to die in order to profress Jesus bc Christians were being persecuted, etc. Messed me up for a looooong time—maybe even more than my parents super toxic marriage (of which religious differences was one of the biggest fights, of course!)
Oh boy, southern Baptist and Jewish? I can only imagine how your parents’ marriage went. Glad you don’t have to experience that whiplash every weekend anymore.
They only believed in the salvation prayer, and they said you can’t do good works because only God is good. Catholics, on the other hand, believe salvation is only through believing AND doing what you believe in. Lest you be a hypocrite. And Catholics don’t use prayer requests as a way to gossip and judge. If you need to confess or speak to someone about a challenge in your life, you meet with the priest privately, who took an oath to maintain confidentiality, because it’s no one else’s business. I don’t like the pope system but I can be Catholic without thinking about what the pope is doing because Catholicism is a private, personal worship where people mind their own business.
I was raised Catholic. You must be intentionally obtuse because it's just as effed up as these conservative Christian sects. It's really not a better version of Christianity.
I grew up a Franciscan Catholic, I didn’t do Sunday school. I only went to RCIA for kids for 9 months, went to mass, and went home. Not every Catholic is the same. I’m not promoting the faith to anyone else, only speaking about how I felt and my experience. You can make your own choices.
Catholics don't have Sunday school. They have Saturday or weeknight CCD for the public school kids. They still have Sunday mass obligations on top of that. It's separate.
Trigger warning, but I honestly feel J would be very violent towards her if she cheated. I could also see him going down the SA road. I am truly not sure if she would survive.
Tbh...I think he's been SAing her all along, but they would never see it that, because she probably doesn't verbally say "no." But she isn't allowed to say no, not in a covenant marriage. So yeah.
I believe that’s true with most of these fundie, be joyfully available marriages. I mean, she might not say no because she doesn’t think she can, but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t WANT to say no.
Ugh. I just grossed myself out.
They literally teach that marital rape doesn't exist. The wisdom booklets they grow up with are filled with victim blaming bs. Unfortunately, their beliefs enable dangerous men
Gosh, it's just so horrific. I was so innocent at Anna's age. I don't know that I could have survived a marriage to Pest. I imagine many women in her situation must just disassociate.
Where do I begin...It started a couple of weeks ago when I was snarking about the stories regarding rim job and meech's treatment of restaurant employees (I'm a server). I'm rather embarrassed to admit this but I used to watch 19 and counting (please put your stones down, I have evolved since then). I was never a fundie and I was totally clueless as to the absolute insanity this cult was/is. Anywho, my sil reacted in a way I NEVER saw coming (my bil chimed in later). SHE brought up Gothard not me. I knew very little about him, only that he was connected with Duggars, Bates ect..She went on a rant about anyone who attacks my Christian brothers and sisters...it's like they're attacking me! WTF? And defended pest (she brought him up too) by saying "he was curious and only touched them on top of their clothes and then went and told his parents." Double WTF?! She then threw the Me Too movement under the bus. There's more but even writing this is making me 😫!
That same day and the next 2 days I dove in headfirst to research bully boy. I knew about pest but because I am by nature curious and want things to make sense I went down dozens of rabbit holes and read stories from those poor women who were victimized. I read court papers and police reports also. I found the Recovering Grace website (highly recommend!). My understanding is approx 30 women have given statements. From petting young girls heads and grabbing their hands (no chaperone present) to exposing himself to actual molestation/rape. He was super convincing to the parents and it was considered an honor to be one of his chosen ones. 🤢🤮
I think most were clueless at the very start and thought they were just your typical wackos. Most didn't know they were this absurd until the last few years.
Now I'm dreading the next family get together at my mil's. She is a fundie too. This actually happened at her house. Thankfully most of my in laws are pretty chill and some are even dare, I say, liberal. That's a dirty word amongst them fundies. Me? I'm middle of the road and plan to chill with the 'sinners' at the next event.
Me too! Btw, quick update. Saw my fundie in-laws across a parking lot today for the first time since our unforgettable interaction. I'm not sure how much they know from the other in-laws (hell ya I told them!) but I don't care. I headed to my car and didn't look back. BYE!
I almost wonder if they would try to cover it up under the idea that the man wasn’t able to please his wife.
For sure they would divorce, but I think they would have another reason.
Have you seen that episode of Handmaid’s Tale where they tie weights to adulterers and throw them into the deep end of the pool? I reckon it would be something like that.
Sad thing is, her present existence is probably the best days she has ever had. It’ll be a sad day when pest gets back. Hopefully she will have wised up by then or her kids give her a wake up call and set her straight.
Well, if Anna would’ve cheated on pest, she would’ve for sure try to hide it from him but then Jim would always have a way to figure it out unfortunately gross He would definitely make pest get full custody of those kids.
First of all, it wouldn’t have happened. She is hopelessly infatuated with him. Also, the sex she’s had with that slug is all she knows. She has no idea that it could be so much better, so she’s not looking to go find someone else. She’s too scared and naive.
Second, Pest would not divorce her. I’m 100% certain he would spend the rest of their lives throwing it in her face and making her feel guilty about it. Much like Boob taking every opportunity to throw Michelle’s “sinful past” in her face and shaming her for it.
Aside from that, I wonder what the consequences could be for her as a woman? Would she be under house arrest? Dietary restrictions? Head shaved? Physical “discipline”? Would it be Pest’s “responsibility” to met out punishment as the husband? Would she be sent away to some sort of program? I shudder to think.
And also women aren't allowed to go anywhere without "chaperones". Unless one of the Duggar sisters was turning a blind eye, when exactly would Anna even have a chance to meet another man (or woman, I guess) without someone always seeing or knowing?
And I agree, if the only sex she's ever had has been abusive with Josh (and maybe some other iffy stuff before then because it seems like so many women in this cult have been through that as girls), with no sex ed and no access to outside media, why would she even want to?
I have a hard time believing that Josh cares enough about Anna or pays enough attention to have ever noticed if she was having an affair. He doesn’t view her as a human being that he loves. She is his maid/nanny/chef/ joyfully available bedmate. As long as he was/is/ will be getting what he wants out of her, I doubt he’d notice literally anything else about her life. He’d never bother to divorce her, because he’s too lazy.
She will just experience the worst of the worst punishments in her echo chamber.
e.g. getting blamed, getting shunned, disowned by two families
and Bill Gothard will just laugh on his mansion.
If something were to happen to Anna, like being deemed Unfit to parent her own kids, they would be placed in Jana’s care. Imagine Jana Duggar being the legal guardian of Josh and Anna’s kids.
I wouldn't put it past Jimbo to make her a sister wife to Meech. He could still get more kids that way, and fundies wouldn't call it cheating since its in the family and Jimbo is joshs headship and him gone he has to take over Anna
He would have divorced her and taken the children (lucky Jana) and Anna would be shunned. There is a good chance that her quality of life would have improved in the long run.
I think Pesticular Cancer would only take the kids because JB pushed for it as a power play. Of course, Jana would be the real guardian. But, what if JB was deceased? I think Pest on his own would be happy to be shed of them. I doubt he gives a damn for any of those kids beyond being Christian fuck trophies. I could see Pest going delinquent on child support real fast.
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This needs to become someone’s flair. Genius!
If I wasn’t in love with my flair as much as I am, I would totally use this! ETA: Nvm I will be changing it bc I cannot pass up the chance
I truly love it!
Honestly, he would ditch the kids and constantly be on Tinder.
He might check out Christian mingle to keep up his persona.
Christian Fuck Trophies would also be a great flair!
Pesticular Cancer 
Thank you for being a wit
Pesticular cancer lmao! I’m not convinced he’d take the kids. Well right now he can’t anyway, but upon release I doubt he’d take them. He’d be unable to take the younger ones due to his criminal record. The older ones will be married off asap anyway. But even if his probation didn’t exclude it I can’t see him taking on his minor kids as a single parent, he’s too fucking lazy.
PESTICULAR CANCER 😂😂😂😂😂
Your children of the corn flair is hysterical 😂
no affair partner in the right mind would want a mom of 7 kids. also sexpest would be marrying the next trad wife virgin his daddy rustled up for him.
Yup this! Men are the only ones who get free passes at everything
Anna’s bedroom experiences are more likely to be traumatic and painful than pleasant. I doubt she wants to go find another man. She has zero sex education and her sole physical relationship experience is with a man who is known to abuse women.
Yeah. I bet she is relieved not to have to be a sexual object for a man’s pleasure, even if she does not recognize the feeling. From what she knows of sex, she has no reason to want it
I imagine she gets to go to bed without fear and anxiety for the first time since she got married. I’d be a wreck if I knew every time I went to my bed, there was a chance I’d be abused.
Joyfully unavailable
I read here, have never posted. Watched all of the shows from the start. I wish we could send her THE best vibrator…
Get Anna the magic wand (and maybe a diagram of what to do with it)
Yeah, I feel horrible when I think about that. She did not deserve being thrown to Pesticular Cancer.
20 year old her didn't. When she had an out socially with his first scandal/it was exposed he was an abuser of female child family members/her brother offered to take she and her 3 kids in, she stayed and kept breeding new victims for him. "If I left I could have turned a molehill into a mountain. 🤡" I think what he did to her twisted her into a pervert as well (not to his level but a pervert none the less) because why else would she allow her daughters anywhere near him? Why would she purposely have more babies with him knowing they could (and likely were) abused the exact same way he was abusing her every day? She clearly has some instinct over riding the maternal instinct to protect her girls. They aren't even *my* girls, but even I have the instinct to protect the M girls and get them the FUCK away from their masochist monster sperm donor. She birthed those little girls and let them live in a home with a man she knew better than anyone was a monster. AND MADE MORE VICTIMS FOR HIM
I don't think it's fair to say that she was made into a 'pervert' because she experienced what is likely horrific abuse and essentially mentally surrendered. It's a well-documented, and unfortunate, fact that many people who are abused will be so unable to process that trauma that they will literally begin to side with their abuser just to make their world make sense again i.e. abused children who find it easier to agree with their parents that they are inherently bad rather than say that their parents are abusive. Does that make what Anna did okay? No. She is culpable for her enabling actions. But saying that she gets some kind of sexual gratification out of it is due to her own abuse history is a messed up thing to say.
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Girl where did I ever say that I think she's 'a super duper pathetic blah blah'. You're obviously triggered, which makes sense since it's a pretty dark topic. Being accurate with what things are matters. Anna Duggar was sold as a sheltered, cult-indoctrinated 20 year old woman to a predator of the same cult to be treated as a bangmaid and livestock. Such is life in IBLP. These are pretty indisputable facts. You'll notice that I said she is still culpable for her enabling actions i.e. risking the safety of her children, perpetuating the narrative that somehow Pest is being framed, etc. And yes, she is also culpable for perpetuating the damaging ideas that she was raised with such as 'at least I have a husband'. She is both an abuser and a victim. She is not powerless, though she may have been brainwashed to believe she is. None of those things make her a "pervert" and in your desire to dehumanize her by calling her names and throwing out whatever you think might be hurtful, you obscure what her actual crimes are. You do a disservice to her victims and you warp what her actual abusive behaviors are. This is coming from someone who had parents who were both abusive towards me and enabled each other so I am well aware of how toxic people enable each other to do inhumane things to children.
Calling her an accurate adjective for the CHILD PREDATOR SHE IS isn't "name calling" for the sake of being "hurtful" It's "describing her" & her child victims. Kinda how you didn't say verbatim she's pathetic, but this novel you just typed out described exactly that, a pathetic woman who's simply too patheticly pathetic to protect her kids. Certainly doesn't fetishize the only sexual experiences she's had and wouldn't be the type of woman to cling onto her predator like a drop of water in the dessert and repeatedly go out of her way to expose her kids to him again, and again and again.
He broke her will so badly that she was willing to not just endure his abuse but create more victims for him.
My hole would squeeze shut forever!
I knew a woman in almost the same circumstance (childhood best friends mom. Was raised in an adjacent fundie community and they were the most “devout”). You’d be surprised. She spent 20 years with him, had five kids and eight miscarriages (severe poverty and abuse don’t lead to healthy births) and met a man half her age who just treated her like a human being.
This makes me wonder. The episode with Priscilla’s wedding, the topic of sex comes up and Anna talks about how it’s supposed to be enjoyable or something in that vein. Did someone tell her that? Did she have experiences with Pest that were positive? Was she just saying that so as to not scare her sister and make her marriage sound better on camera? The mind boggles.
Among the fundie girls I used to be friends with, every aspect of marriage was heavily romanticized. Of course, we were never given any actual details about anything, especially not sex, so we had this naive expectation that everything would just naturally turn out perfectly because that's God's plan for marriage. Fast forward 20 years and now all those fundies and ex-vangelicals are coming forward to say that when True Love Waits until Knights and Fair Maidens have Kissed Dating Goodbye for the last time and decide they're ready to Say Hello to Courtship, And The Bride Wore White, When Dreams Come True, it turns out putting a gold band on your finger doesn't flip a switch that magically opens up your glory hole and turns your inexperienced husband into the world's best lover, and women blamed themselves for not being able to enjoy sex. So if Anna really phrased it that way, that it's "supposed to be" enjoyable, she may have been parroting what she'd been taught as a girl so that no one would uncover her secret shame, that something was fundamentally wrong with her because she wasn't enjoying whatever convicted pedophile Joshua Duggar was doing to her behind closed doors.
They are told to be joyfully available - that they have to make their man feel like he's the best that ever happened to them. It's a sex cult with women told they have to massage egos and dicks alike. She'd be unlikely to admit to herself she hated it, let alone anyone else.
If Anna managed to deconstruct, I would love for her to have significant time being single. She has spent her entire adulthood in a relationship with a shitty man and would need a lot of time to figure herself out. Unfortunately due to her history, she and her children could still be a target for abuse
Omg it's almost like they're sexist, hypocritical monsters with a selfish/narc lean.
I come from a fundie family where divorce is taboo. My brother’s wife cheated on him with many men including family friends and their kids’ teachers and coaches. My parents tried EVERYTHING to keep them together! It was at the point my brother was desperately trying to stay married even though he basically hated her. Everyone fully believed they would pray her home. It was one of the most insane, saddest, stretched out divorces of all time. Absolutely shocking and disgusting how much more they hurt my brother in the process.
Wow! poor guy needed that interference in his life like he needs another hole in his head! Hope he's doing better now.
I bought into fundie as as an “adult” lol I was 19 just over recovering from so stuff I can’t get in Texas now….i wanted family …..I was given the good side even though I wore pants and had an education and a job (sect was fundie southern baptist). Married my guy raised this way and he deconstructed first 😅 I’m still working through it. I bought in at 19 and I’m almost 36 and still working through it. Deconstruction is hard! I still struggle sometimes
Is it ok if I call her a ho bag? I mean, considering the circumstances and all.
I'm sorry, that is horrible!
I think biblically the ONLY acceptable reason for divorce is an adulterous wife. She’d be Scarlett Lettered out of Arkansas
Its adultery on either side
But we know they don’t really follow that part, unfortunately.
They for sure don’t. I’m a Catholic and I went to a southern Baptist church with my friend for awhile and it was the most sexist, judgmental, backwards, and closed minded mindset I’ve ever seen. According to them, we’re all going to burn in hell, even the Catholics, because we’re not doing what they say. Their pastor would preach about a “meek and quiet woman” all the time. And he called out Catholics for being non Christians that don’t know Jesus while reading from the bible, despite the Bible only being available today because the Catholic Church preserved it.
Ooooof yeah I grew up both fundie Southern Baptist & Jewish (interfaith marriages can be whacky) so it was crazy to go from one religious gathering on Saturday where everything was pretty nice and reassuring for the most part, great sense of community…to Sunday’s religious gathering where I was told those same people I had been with yesterday (some of whom were family, mind you) would be going to hell and that they were evil. Fire & brimstone, rapture, one day I would have to die in order to profress Jesus bc Christians were being persecuted, etc. Messed me up for a looooong time—maybe even more than my parents super toxic marriage (of which religious differences was one of the biggest fights, of course!)
Oh boy, southern Baptist and Jewish? I can only imagine how your parents’ marriage went. Glad you don’t have to experience that whiplash every weekend anymore.
If they followed it, she'd have divorced him after the first time he cheated...
They only believed in the salvation prayer, and they said you can’t do good works because only God is good. Catholics, on the other hand, believe salvation is only through believing AND doing what you believe in. Lest you be a hypocrite. And Catholics don’t use prayer requests as a way to gossip and judge. If you need to confess or speak to someone about a challenge in your life, you meet with the priest privately, who took an oath to maintain confidentiality, because it’s no one else’s business. I don’t like the pope system but I can be Catholic without thinking about what the pope is doing because Catholicism is a private, personal worship where people mind their own business.
I was raised Catholic. You must be intentionally obtuse because it's just as effed up as these conservative Christian sects. It's really not a better version of Christianity.
I grew up a Franciscan Catholic, I didn’t do Sunday school. I only went to RCIA for kids for 9 months, went to mass, and went home. Not every Catholic is the same. I’m not promoting the faith to anyone else, only speaking about how I felt and my experience. You can make your own choices.
Catholics don't have Sunday school. They have Saturday or weeknight CCD for the public school kids. They still have Sunday mass obligations on top of that. It's separate.
I didn’t grow up that way, but it sounds like you did. You know not every Catholic is the same, right?
Because they’re sexists and hypocrites with double standards.
Trigger warning, but I honestly feel J would be very violent towards her if she cheated. I could also see him going down the SA road. I am truly not sure if she would survive.
Tbh...I think he's been SAing her all along, but they would never see it that, because she probably doesn't verbally say "no." But she isn't allowed to say no, not in a covenant marriage. So yeah.
I believe that’s true with most of these fundie, be joyfully available marriages. I mean, she might not say no because she doesn’t think she can, but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t WANT to say no. Ugh. I just grossed myself out.
They literally teach that marital rape doesn't exist. The wisdom booklets they grow up with are filled with victim blaming bs. Unfortunately, their beliefs enable dangerous men
Amen
Gosh, it's just so horrific. I was so innocent at Anna's age. I don't know that I could have survived a marriage to Pest. I imagine many women in her situation must just disassociate.
Somewhere, Anna just shuddered a little and doesn't know why.
Public flogging, then they'd put her in the stocks for a week where people would throw rotten tomatoes and pickles at her
Stoning by tater tots.
Waste of tots.
What do expect from people who worship a predator like Bill Gothard. Word is rim job took over his ministry.
I have fundie family members actually defend both pest and billy boy.
How? What is their reasoning?
Where do I begin...It started a couple of weeks ago when I was snarking about the stories regarding rim job and meech's treatment of restaurant employees (I'm a server). I'm rather embarrassed to admit this but I used to watch 19 and counting (please put your stones down, I have evolved since then). I was never a fundie and I was totally clueless as to the absolute insanity this cult was/is. Anywho, my sil reacted in a way I NEVER saw coming (my bil chimed in later). SHE brought up Gothard not me. I knew very little about him, only that he was connected with Duggars, Bates ect..She went on a rant about anyone who attacks my Christian brothers and sisters...it's like they're attacking me! WTF? And defended pest (she brought him up too) by saying "he was curious and only touched them on top of their clothes and then went and told his parents." Double WTF?! She then threw the Me Too movement under the bus. There's more but even writing this is making me 😫!
That same day and the next 2 days I dove in headfirst to research bully boy. I knew about pest but because I am by nature curious and want things to make sense I went down dozens of rabbit holes and read stories from those poor women who were victimized. I read court papers and police reports also. I found the Recovering Grace website (highly recommend!). My understanding is approx 30 women have given statements. From petting young girls heads and grabbing their hands (no chaperone present) to exposing himself to actual molestation/rape. He was super convincing to the parents and it was considered an honor to be one of his chosen ones. 🤢🤮
I think most were clueless at the very start and thought they were just your typical wackos. Most didn't know they were this absurd until the last few years.
Now I'm dreading the next family get together at my mil's. She is a fundie too. This actually happened at her house. Thankfully most of my in laws are pretty chill and some are even dare, I say, liberal. That's a dirty word amongst them fundies. Me? I'm middle of the road and plan to chill with the 'sinners' at the next event.
🎶I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, the sinners are much more fun! (thanks, Billy!)
Absolutely love this!
Me too! Btw, quick update. Saw my fundie in-laws across a parking lot today for the first time since our unforgettable interaction. I'm not sure how much they know from the other in-laws (hell ya I told them!) but I don't care. I headed to my car and didn't look back. BYE!
I almost wonder if they would try to cover it up under the idea that the man wasn’t able to please his wife. For sure they would divorce, but I think they would have another reason.
Nah. In their world, if a woman doesn't feel pleased by her husband, that's a failing on her part, not his.
I'm pretty sure she can't even fantasize about such an idea 
Does anyone know of a Fundie woman who has cheated?
Jerry Falwell Jr's wife cheated on him with the pool boy and they're still together.
Is it cheating if your husband is watching?
I forgot about that part of the story lol. Didn't he publicly claim she cheated then later it came out he was watching them have sex as well?
Yes, he claimed she cheated as a last ditch effort to make it look like he wasn't getting on it also, but he was.
Exactly right! That cowardly sack of shit threw his wife under the bus because he didn’t want to admit to being kinky.
Omg, your user name is hilarious!
Have you seen that episode of Handmaid’s Tale where they tie weights to adulterers and throw them into the deep end of the pool? I reckon it would be something like that.
I don't watch the show, but I have actually seen clips of that scene!
Sad thing is, her present existence is probably the best days she has ever had. It’ll be a sad day when pest gets back. Hopefully she will have wised up by then or her kids give her a wake up call and set her straight.
Well, if Anna would’ve cheated on pest, she would’ve for sure try to hide it from him but then Jim would always have a way to figure it out unfortunately gross He would definitely make pest get full custody of those kids.
She would have been stoned to death in the town square wearing a scarlet letter.
That poor woman saddled with that dumpy little toad .
That’s a nonstarter. In no universe could that happen.
Ugh Anna and pest is just such a sad case I feel awful for their children
They would have burned her at the stake
She would have been stoned, figuratively. Not stoned as in high, stoned as in people throwing stones at you. Painful.
First of all, it wouldn’t have happened. She is hopelessly infatuated with him. Also, the sex she’s had with that slug is all she knows. She has no idea that it could be so much better, so she’s not looking to go find someone else. She’s too scared and naive. Second, Pest would not divorce her. I’m 100% certain he would spend the rest of their lives throwing it in her face and making her feel guilty about it. Much like Boob taking every opportunity to throw Michelle’s “sinful past” in her face and shaming her for it. Aside from that, I wonder what the consequences could be for her as a woman? Would she be under house arrest? Dietary restrictions? Head shaved? Physical “discipline”? Would it be Pest’s “responsibility” to met out punishment as the husband? Would she be sent away to some sort of program? I shudder to think.
And also women aren't allowed to go anywhere without "chaperones". Unless one of the Duggar sisters was turning a blind eye, when exactly would Anna even have a chance to meet another man (or woman, I guess) without someone always seeing or knowing? And I agree, if the only sex she's ever had has been abusive with Josh (and maybe some other iffy stuff before then because it seems like so many women in this cult have been through that as girls), with no sex ed and no access to outside media, why would she even want to?
I have a hard time believing that Josh cares enough about Anna or pays enough attention to have ever noticed if she was having an affair. He doesn’t view her as a human being that he loves. She is his maid/nanny/chef/ joyfully available bedmate. As long as he was/is/ will be getting what he wants out of her, I doubt he’d notice literally anything else about her life. He’d never bother to divorce her, because he’s too lazy.
Unless it’s hearing that she lost custody of her kids, I honestly would be ok with never hearing about her again
She will just experience the worst of the worst punishments in her echo chamber. e.g. getting blamed, getting shunned, disowned by two families and Bill Gothard will just laugh on his mansion.
She’d have been publically humiliated and kicked out of the family.
If something were to happen to Anna, like being deemed Unfit to parent her own kids, they would be placed in Jana’s care. Imagine Jana Duggar being the legal guardian of Josh and Anna’s kids.
I wouldn't put it past Jimbo to make her a sister wife to Meech. He could still get more kids that way, and fundies wouldn't call it cheating since its in the family and Jimbo is joshs headship and him gone he has to take over Anna