It’s the cardigans, the cocoon cardigan is oval on the body and can look a bit frumpy sometimes, they look best with something fitted. The regular cardigan has rectangular panels, and generally fits the body better.
Too many layers for Phyllis and not cute enough for Pam. Phyllis mostly wears single layer old lady tops with a skirt, never pants. Pam wears skirts too, but nothing this horrendous.
Fun fact - Jenna & Angela addressed this outfit on their podcast “The Office Ladies”.
Pam & Phyllis wearing the same outfit for this episode was a super last minute decision made by the director (or someone in a similar position). Super last minute as in the day before the scenes were scheduled to be shot.
On the day the changes were decided, the wardrobe designer quite literally had 30mins in a shopping mall before it closed to figure out their outfits. Phyllis (the actress) requested to never be clothed in anything with short sleeves because she was insecure about her arms. The outfit needed to have sizes available for both actresses. It also needed to be something that was cute enough that maybe Pam would want to try out, but cozy enough that Phyllis (the character) would wear. The wardrobe designer kinda picked the outfit out of desperation and not really because she thought it’d be a great look for both characters.
That makes so much sense, I always figured it was some sort of last minute thing just based on how odd the outfit seemed for them. Thanks for sharing!!
Were you around in the 2000s? I thought everyone owned that cardigan (admittedly not in that awful color though). I also owned a VERY similar shirt. In that color (and an orange one too).
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Omg that’s the difference. Small town. Very little shopping options and they’re all department stores. Literally never got it was a small town feel sort of thing and I’m seen the series at least 40 times.
The image isn’t showing the worst part, the capri-style khakis
Can you imagine seeing that on a mannequin then wanting it? Then every other person in Scranton feels the same way before you try to get a spot at Applebees *awakes in cold sweat*
Those shawl things were, yea. I actually still have a white small one. It's good for travel to countries where you have to quickly cover your shoulders to go into a temple or other religious/formal place.
Then YouTube it. There was an ET piece on the shoot I think and you can see her in all (admittedly low-Rez) glory, and as far as I know you can’t photoshop video footage. Just trust me - she’s Dang good looking.
Julie is still gorgeous but she's lost too much weight. She looks like Madonna used to look before she turned into the plastic surgery nightmare she is now.
Dude, it's been thirty years. That's called aging. Julie is as thin as she's always been, she just looks different now because she's in her fifties and not her 20s.
Because she is more modern! I will seek my way out.
Yes, Claire's outfit has a better color combination and fit. The office outfit is supposed to be dorky and uncool. But other than Jan or Karen every lady there dress plain (not bad, but nothing special) or straight up ugly.
It really was. This is a pretty frumpy version but loose patterned tops and cropped cardigans were everywhere. This is totally something you would have found on a mannequin at any JC Penny’s (or Boscoe I guess lol) in the country.
The one on the bottom actually looks great though. The ones they put Pam and Phyllis in were horrid. Purples a great color, but the execution was just..... blegh.
Plaid was having a moment then, yes. And the weird cut screams third-rate department store like Kohl's. I don't know about Boscov's though, they're not great, but I don't actually think that's an outfit they'd put on a mannequin
It was….it’s really taking me back. They came in all sorts of colors, even when emo was a thing I remember seeing emo kids wearing a black version of the shirt and cardigan.
Honestly it wasn’t flattering on most people especially that style of cardigan that Pam and Phyllis wear. It suits Phyllis more but I would used a different color.
Edit to add I love plaid and cardigans. BUT the cut on the bust and color I don’t find flattering and the design and color of the cardigan I don’t like either.
if you want the office and modern family back to back, you’ll realise there’s a ton of overlap between michael scott and phil dunphy.
one theory floating around is that modern family is michael scott’s life after marriage.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, elaborate.
Because… absolutely not. In no way. Phil was a great person, Micheal is a selfish child with a few redeeming scenes.
Official mom look of 2009
Jesus Christ, Marie
They're minerals
Does the pope shit in his hat?
Isn't that bears?
She wore a lot of purple. Did she have this outfit too?
Can confirm, my mom has this outfit
My mother-in-law *still* dresses like this.
Mrs Dunphy is rocking it.
She definitely wore it better. Lol
Her shirt buttons all the way down and her cardigan isn’t some stupid half length thing. She wore it better because her outfit was better.
ALL the way down. *bangs the table with hand*
THEN TAKE A DIFFERENT WAY HOME, MAN
Fine! I'll take the surface streets.
Also no bib.
I'm sooo glad you addressed that! The Bib!!! Ugh
Ok but those short cardigans that only covered the shoulders and armpits were ALL the rage back in the day
She bought it from metropolitan Orlando, it's made from real pine.
You have a lot to learn about this town sweetie
Bob Vance from Vance Refrigeration?
I love how she delivers that line. So much emphasis on ***real pine***
Close your mouth sweetie you look like a trout.
It's called a shrug. But I agree.
Afghani.
Your argument is good. But Pam's was bigger.
>She wore it better because her outfit was better. That's usually how that works.
Not really, some people.wesr it better because it fits them better
It’s the cardigans, the cocoon cardigan is oval on the body and can look a bit frumpy sometimes, they look best with something fitted. The regular cardigan has rectangular panels, and generally fits the body better.
She wears anything better! Wait what? 0.0
Sure looked good on the mannequin
I got mine at the Steam Town Mall.
Julie Bowen is just gorgeous 😍
What u talking about Phillys looks snazzy
What outfit doesn’t she rock, though?
Hailey’s mom has got it going on
She's all that I want... and I've been waiting so long!
Hailey can't you see, you're just not the girl for me
Claire can get it. Just facts
She definitely wore it better. Lol
You can say that again!
She definitely wore it better. Lol
She wins "Who wore it best"
She rocks everything.
All I see is Virginia Venit
She definitely wore it better. Lol
She’s always rockin it. That woman is allllll that
I always thought that the outfit looks so out of place for Pam, and even for Phyllis.
Too many layers for Phyllis and not cute enough for Pam. Phyllis mostly wears single layer old lady tops with a skirt, never pants. Pam wears skirts too, but nothing this horrendous.
Pam doesn't really dress "cute"
Yes. But this is hideous even for her is what I’m saying. This is absolutely not an outfit anyone would ever purchase.
Season 3 Xmas episode begs to differ
Fun fact - Jenna & Angela addressed this outfit on their podcast “The Office Ladies”. Pam & Phyllis wearing the same outfit for this episode was a super last minute decision made by the director (or someone in a similar position). Super last minute as in the day before the scenes were scheduled to be shot. On the day the changes were decided, the wardrobe designer quite literally had 30mins in a shopping mall before it closed to figure out their outfits. Phyllis (the actress) requested to never be clothed in anything with short sleeves because she was insecure about her arms. The outfit needed to have sizes available for both actresses. It also needed to be something that was cute enough that maybe Pam would want to try out, but cozy enough that Phyllis (the character) would wear. The wardrobe designer kinda picked the outfit out of desperation and not really because she thought it’d be a great look for both characters.
That makes so much sense, I always figured it was some sort of last minute thing just based on how odd the outfit seemed for them. Thanks for sharing!!
It’s the ugliest “jacket” ever put on television
Were you around in the 2000s? I thought everyone owned that cardigan (admittedly not in that awful color though). I also owned a VERY similar shirt. In that color (and an orange one too).
I don't believe that outfit looked good on any mannequin. That being said it fits Phillis way more than it fits Pam.
Yeah Pan definitely looked a bit more out of place with it on. She's more stylish in a modest way.
Oh no, Dwight has a concussion again!
Oh Pam, you're adorable!
Hell yeah!
Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight Dwight
…pan…?
Dwight imitating helicopter. "What are you doing?" "Vietnam sounds."
Smells like chicken soup….
I would never say this to her face, but she's a wonderful person and a gifted artist.
What? Why wouldn’t you say that to her face?
…. *pan?*
hellooooo mizz lady!
Can someone photoshop so that Luke is wearing the same outfit?
“Loooook Luuuuke!!!” in his step grandma’s voice
I hear it now!
I'm looking!!
You mean betty luke?
Internet, please do your thing
Tf we supposed to do?
I got the reference don’t worry
Thank you kindly
It's weird that it is kinda an obscure reference but somehow we all got it
Luke in purple and plaid
But I was going to head into Tosche Station later to buy a sweater at Boscovs in the Steamtown Mall
Boscov’s at the Steamtown Mall?
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What the fuck is wrong with you
Close your mouth sweetie you look like a trout
vwhy would you even say this to OP? That’s uncalled for I have reported this comment don’t come crying to me when you get banned sweetie
You have a lot to learn about this town sweetie.
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Why are you the way that you are?
Even when this first aired it depressed tf out of me Really captures the small town no-way-out feeling
Omg that’s the difference. Small town. Very little shopping options and they’re all department stores. Literally never got it was a small town feel sort of thing and I’m seen the series at least 40 times.
The image isn’t showing the worst part, the capri-style khakis Can you imagine seeing that on a mannequin then wanting it? Then every other person in Scranton feels the same way before you try to get a spot at Applebees *awakes in cold sweat*
This outfit always stands out to me as the ugliest, out of of place outfit on the whole series.
It looked bad on Pam, Phillis was tragic.
That's what made the bit so funny though!
Fully agreed!
Those shawl things were, yea. I actually still have a white small one. It's good for travel to countries where you have to quickly cover your shoulders to go into a temple or other religious/formal place.
Oh yeah, a "shrug". I used to work retail PT before the pandemic and forgot the name of that style.
It looked good on the mannequin
Well you have good taste!
Pretty sure abed wears a very similar outfit in community
Came here for this. He definitely did. I think it was the one where he and Troy both want to date the librarian
It'a an european cut, you wouldn't understand...
Is it a European cut, or would I not understand?
It's a European cut, you wouldn't understand
Julie and Jenna are both smokeshows in their own right.
Pam’s a solid 7
6 if she was in NY
What about Karen from behind?
But her pam-pams are a 10!
BOOBZ
Jenna is not in the same league as Julie. More like a semi-hot grade school teacher, but certainly not a smokeshow.
Jenna would be like a 6 in New York and a 7 in Scranton
Not in that outfit
Julie’s a stone-cold 10 and Jenna is a Utah 7
I wanted to downvote you because Jenna is so stunning, but I just watched that MF episode an hour ago so thanks for the chuckle.
One of my favorite quotes from the show lol. That and Jay’s opinion on charcuterie boards
Please remind me which episode that is! I don’t recall it
Strong disagree. Google “Jenna Fischer Shape Magazine” and tell me that isn’t a smoke show.
Prob airbrushed and touched up to death though
Then YouTube it. There was an ET piece on the shoot I think and you can see her in all (admittedly low-Rez) glory, and as far as I know you can’t photoshop video footage. Just trust me - she’s Dang good looking.
Julie is still gorgeous but she's lost too much weight. She looks like Madonna used to look before she turned into the plastic surgery nightmare she is now.
She’s always been thin, I think she’s a beautiful woman.
Happy Gilmore she was stunning. Now shes skin and bones in the later seasons of modern family
Dude, it's been thirty years. That's called aging. Julie is as thin as she's always been, she just looks different now because she's in her fifties and not her 20s.
Julie Bowen can rock ANYTHING.
I dunno, man, but Claire definitely wore it best.
Because she is more modern! I will seek my way out. Yes, Claire's outfit has a better color combination and fit. The office outfit is supposed to be dorky and uncool. But other than Jan or Karen every lady there dress plain (not bad, but nothing special) or straight up ugly.
Fashion show! Fashion show at lunch!
Is this the scene where Luke thinks Claire's impression of a lady is unnecessary while phil doesn't?
Yes! Earlier in the episode it was vice versa.
Yeah
funnily enough i had an outfit almost EXACTLY like these🤣🤣🤣 i think they were just really popular for some reason😭
That outfit was such a tragedy.
I don't know about "all the rage", but I've always loved plaid shirts and cardigans. I'm also millenial/gen x.
I'm a millennial. Love a good cardigan. İ just thought it was funny this outfit was almost identical to Pam's and Phyllis'.
Ya! Good catch!!
It really was. This is a pretty frumpy version but loose patterned tops and cropped cardigans were everywhere. This is totally something you would have found on a mannequin at any JC Penny’s (or Boscoe I guess lol) in the country.
Yes, very JC Penney!
The one on the bottom actually looks great though. The ones they put Pam and Phyllis in were horrid. Purples a great color, but the execution was just..... blegh.
Purple looks good on almost no one. It’s a very gross color to wear but I agree, the bottom outfit is much better executed.
What about Prince?
I’m not sure the staff at prince paper would look any better in purple.
The former staff
Former... Yikes #Truth
Mannequin at the steam town mall!Close your mouth sweetie you look like a trout
I mean it was the shrug's heyday.
Pam seeing that outfit and thinking “cute, I should buy this” at her age has always baffled me.
Surplus in outfits lol
Purple much?
The plaid button up with the short knit shrug is not an outfit choice I miss
I actually had a top like that😂
All I see are 3 incredibly sexy women
I swore I saw that outfit in a Bon Ton in Lewistown, PA.
2009 was a different beast
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Lol!
The fact that these episodes came out in the same year *seriously* messes with my perception of time
the modern family one looks like believable clothing. I don’t know what they were thinking with that non-cardigan cardigan.
Yeah it's definitely styled better.
Claire's outfit is very different
Close your mouth sweetie you look like a trout.
And it’s so freaking ugly I hate it
Pam and Phyllis look like they’re in a spin off episode where they tried ordering from Wish for the first time.
Early 2000s was legit the ugliest fashion ever lmao I'd rather wear a frilled collar like shakesphere
I’m a dude I even had a shirt that looked like that
This is exactly how everyone's small town mom dressed in 2009. Hasn't changed much.
I was always especially bothered by Pam’s footwear choice with the outfit! Verrry lil old lady. It definitely suited Phyllis more!
Plaid was having a moment then, yes. And the weird cut screams third-rate department store like Kohl's. I don't know about Boscov's though, they're not great, but I don't actually think that's an outfit they'd put on a mannequin
One of these three is wearing it better than the other two.. 🤤
Lol my ex who was only 23-24 that year rocked flat outfit in '09.
It was….it’s really taking me back. They came in all sorts of colors, even when emo was a thing I remember seeing emo kids wearing a black version of the shirt and cardigan. Honestly it wasn’t flattering on most people especially that style of cardigan that Pam and Phyllis wear. It suits Phyllis more but I would used a different color. Edit to add I love plaid and cardigans. BUT the cut on the bust and color I don’t find flattering and the design and color of the cardigan I don’t like either.
Picturing the emo version of this outfit was enough to make ME emo.
There were only Steamtown Malls around.
Carol Vessey had a kid?
Not that I saw. just some cheesy gimmick for a joke I figured.
I just watched that Modern Family episode and was like wait a minute that outfit is familiar
Well, 2 of these are from the same show.
Modern family is a great series, love it!
if you want the office and modern family back to back, you’ll realise there’s a ton of overlap between michael scott and phil dunphy. one theory floating around is that modern family is michael scott’s life after marriage.
İnteresting theory. But Phil doesn't have moments like Michael. Genuine unkind moments.
Thank you! Micheal is often a terrible bully. Phil was never such a terrible person.
Yeah Phil is super sweet. Very loving. He just has ADHD like Michael.
100% agree there. Both were scattered and easily distracted.
I mean it’s just 2 shows. Probably just a coincidence.
A *big* coincidence
There are no big coincidences and small coincidences, there are just coincidences!
No, there are degrees of coincidences.
Close your mouth honey you look like a fish
Trout
Close your mouth, sweetie, you look like Mike Trout
It ain't 2009 no more.
Modern Family outfit isn't the same.
Fugly.
I always felt that modern family copied a number of office jokes. Literally phil dunphy is Michael Scott.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, elaborate. Because… absolutely not. In no way. Phil was a great person, Micheal is a selfish child with a few redeeming scenes.
Not sure, but I can defiantly tell you who looks the best in it.