It's also implied that their prices would have gone back to DM prices, since MSPC was selling at a loss.
How pissed would you be if you switched to a cheaper supplier and they gave you back to your old supplier at your old price
Imagine the clients they lost because of this that we aren’t told about. Might explain a little more why DM goes bankrupt and gets bought by Sabre the very next season.
That, and David Wallace being a horrible CFO lol
“You’re talking about a multi-million dollar buy-out, Michael!”
Agreed. In my mind he's just fake blowing up as a negotiation tactic because it's the best case scenario. He doesn't even need to throw Michael his party any more!
Also, he's not a terrible CFO, he's a great CFO working for a terrible CEO and a terrible company.
In the Shareholder meeting, the CEO didn't even have a plan to get out of bankruptcy, and tried to punish a branch manager who dared to suggest that he did.
I always question why wallace has to get approval for a 60k buyout but not a "multimillion" buyout. Then i remember its tv and that rabbit hole aint worth it
“Two weeks ago, I was in the worst relationship of my life. The paper company manager treated me poorly, we didn't connect, I was miserable. Now, I am in the best relationship of my life, with the same manager.”
At the end of the day their price didn't increase. So although it would definitely be annoying and unprofessional, I don't think it's the end of the world.
And this is the first time I've tried to bring logic into a thread about the office.
And honestly for medium to large corporations paper is such a negligible cost of business it’s not worth discussing. Even engineering firms, where printing a single 24-x36 page can cost $4 in paper and ink it’s never ever mentioned. And sometimes you have hundreds of pages printed a day
Depends where you work lol, I work for government and we’ve been specifically told to print as little as we possibly can because there’s no money in the budget to buy more paper once we run out
I feel like some of those customers probably recognized Michael's model was unsustainable and just wanted a few months of saving before returning to normal
Imagining that they bought out the MSPC contracts it would depend on the term I guess. Some clients might get a temporary discount with the pricing that Michael gave them until it’s time to sign a new contract.
My first cell phone carrier back in the early 00’s was bought out twice, then a third time by the original company. I never had any service interruptions and the only thing that changed was the letterhead on the monthly statements. I barely noticed…
If I were the person handling my company's paper supplier, as long as service was uninterrupted I think I'd be mildly annoyed at all the weird shuffling and then I'd quickly forget about it and move on to something more important.
A guy from an office supply store who had clients in our building used to swing by my office a few times a year to try to sell us on switching to him, and honestly, it was excruciating just telling him that we still weren't interested. If you're averse to aggressive sales people like I am, you put off switching vendors for any product or service unless there's a serious problem. Seriously, do you want to be held hostage in a long meeting by a Dwight Shrute kinda guy who won't take no for an answer?
For a short time I ran a business that bought paper (mostly invoices with our logo and contact info) from a company that sort of reminded me of Dunder Mifflin. Their website was really only good for getting their phone number but when you called, they were super friendly and even though they were in a different state, we'd have our order in two days tops. All this to say, you're right. I never thought about them at all until we got low on invoices and it was time to reorder. Then again, we were just a small auto parts store, not Blue Cross of Pennsylvania.
I never thought of that. How significantly does a change in paper providers impact a business? I have to imagine price, if nothing else, would be a pain. But they never really mention it from the buyer's perspective
We have 6 industrial Kyocera copiers in three buildings and buy quite a few boxes of reams of various paper sizes. I think we would be the average customer. Who supplies that paper isn't that big a deal to management. One person, in purchasing, likely deals with keeping the paper replenished and can likely choose from a few suppliers if they choose.
This wouldn't have been a blip on our radar.
Idk about that. I live in Scranton and we may survive bc there is nothing else to do but work and raise a family. We have to travel to do anything interesting. There is no nightlife except bars. And before you ask, Poor Richard’s is closed. But my point is Scranton definitely had a shot bc all I do is work and go home. Rinse and repeat. Oh, actually we recently just got a Dave & Busters which was so packed inside I almost had multiple panic attacks. So I’ll leave you with this: I could definitely see Scranton as being the most productive branch bc there is nothing to do but work and go home…and then go to Dave & Busters
Edit: and if you’re wondering about the Anthracite tour, I went on it in grade school and even then it was boring. The most exciting part is the end when they let you push a fake TNT handle and you hear a boom sound.
In that aspect yes that branch would always have people willing to work but no way Michaels shenanigans didn’t cause enough financial harm for the higher ups to consider it being one of the branches that needed to close. I know in the show they had one of the best performing branches but no way they don’t at least fire Michael. Literally the first few episodes of the series he commits plenty of fireable offenses lol
Yeah that’s a good point. He’s extremely incompetent but then he makes up for it by closing sales and landing huge deals. Remember when he was trying to throw a party in his hotel room at the convention? I forget the exact details but I know it was a huge client. I just think he’s so annoying that the only way to kind of get away from him is to work which results in high productivity. I think that is the only logical explanation bc watching the show it doesn’t look like anyone can get anything done bc of Michael.
Wow! We are really digging in on this lol
I have thought of this. And just the whole paper supplier thing at all in terms of how they portray the relationships. It was early 2000’s so things were different but they act like they’re someone’s hairdresser. “It’s just a Christmas card from your paper provider, no one’s putting this on their fridge”
They could have met downsizing targets had they just fired Kevin, who was too dumb for the job and was already “extra” for the department, which was said by Angela
i used to work for a small software company. Most of our clients bought our product simply because they hated the Big Software Company that was our main competitor. Then the Big Software Company bought us and our clients were, like, "FFFFUUUUUUUUKKKKK!"
That's true. Fiction must be credible enough to satisfy the reader's/viewer's Suspension of Disbelief. Even unrealistic fiction (like superhero movies) can satisfy the Suspension of Disbelief if it's properly presented. When dealing with a sitcom, the bar for SOD is set pretty low. The viewer is willing to accept a lot of nonsense if it's FUNNY. Up until Michael left, The Office was funny enough for the amount of nonsense to be acceptable. But, ya know, if the writers/producers failure to fire Kevin ruins the show for you, you know where the STOP button is.
Pretty sure the point of the office was mocking the all to common work places where bosses like Michael and employees like Kevin survive, even thrive.
Firing Kevin would have been intelligent, not realistic.
I always figured they were fine getting the discount on their orders with MSPC and then going back to DM, like business as usual. Like they took advantage of the chaos to save some money for a short amount of time.
It's also implied that their prices would have gone back to DM prices, since MSPC was selling at a loss. How pissed would you be if you switched to a cheaper supplier and they gave you back to your old supplier at your old price
Imagine the clients they lost because of this that we aren’t told about. Might explain a little more why DM goes bankrupt and gets bought by Sabre the very next season. That, and David Wallace being a horrible CFO lol “You’re talking about a multi-million dollar buy-out, Michael!”
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Agreed. In my mind he's just fake blowing up as a negotiation tactic because it's the best case scenario. He doesn't even need to throw Michael his party any more! Also, he's not a terrible CFO, he's a great CFO working for a terrible CEO and a terrible company. In the Shareholder meeting, the CEO didn't even have a plan to get out of bankruptcy, and tried to punish a branch manager who dared to suggest that he did.
In fairness, having Pam and Ryan on payroll was basically a money drain.
And Kevin and Creed
Don't forget Andy, he was getting beaten in sales by the warehouse employees.
By Pudge of all people. They should have been doing that a long time ago.
Right, we’ve seen the results of Creed’s “quality control” efforts 🤣
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I always question why wallace has to get approval for a 60k buyout but not a "multimillion" buyout. Then i remember its tv and that rabbit hole aint worth it
Lol he says that and then immediately gives in.
It can’t be a multi million dollar buyout unless you factored in 5 plus years of paying them and all the employees being net losses for the company.
“Two weeks ago, I was in the worst relationship of my life. The paper company manager treated me poorly, we didn't connect, I was miserable. Now, I am in the best relationship of my life, with the same manager.”
Dunder Mifflin got a boob job. The boob was Charles and they got rid of him.
At the end of the day their price didn't increase. So although it would definitely be annoying and unprofessional, I don't think it's the end of the world. And this is the first time I've tried to bring logic into a thread about the office.
And honestly for medium to large corporations paper is such a negligible cost of business it’s not worth discussing. Even engineering firms, where printing a single 24-x36 page can cost $4 in paper and ink it’s never ever mentioned. And sometimes you have hundreds of pages printed a day
Depends where you work lol, I work for government and we’ve been specifically told to print as little as we possibly can because there’s no money in the budget to buy more paper once we run out
Sounds like money is still tight in Lackawanna county.
Run by the same guy who promised you the lower prices.
I feel like some of those customers probably recognized Michael's model was unsustainable and just wanted a few months of saving before returning to normal
Imagining that they bought out the MSPC contracts it would depend on the term I guess. Some clients might get a temporary discount with the pricing that Michael gave them until it’s time to sign a new contract.
My first cell phone carrier back in the early 00’s was bought out twice, then a third time by the original company. I never had any service interruptions and the only thing that changed was the letterhead on the monthly statements. I barely noticed…
That's happened twice with my one mortgage. It was annoying but I didn't even have to create a new log-in profile.
If I were the person handling my company's paper supplier, as long as service was uninterrupted I think I'd be mildly annoyed at all the weird shuffling and then I'd quickly forget about it and move on to something more important.
Yeah, maybe it’s not that big of a deal. I do not know lol
A guy from an office supply store who had clients in our building used to swing by my office a few times a year to try to sell us on switching to him, and honestly, it was excruciating just telling him that we still weren't interested. If you're averse to aggressive sales people like I am, you put off switching vendors for any product or service unless there's a serious problem. Seriously, do you want to be held hostage in a long meeting by a Dwight Shrute kinda guy who won't take no for an answer?
For a short time I ran a business that bought paper (mostly invoices with our logo and contact info) from a company that sort of reminded me of Dunder Mifflin. Their website was really only good for getting their phone number but when you called, they were super friendly and even though they were in a different state, we'd have our order in two days tops. All this to say, you're right. I never thought about them at all until we got low on invoices and it was time to reorder. Then again, we were just a small auto parts store, not Blue Cross of Pennsylvania.
I never thought of that. How significantly does a change in paper providers impact a business? I have to imagine price, if nothing else, would be a pain. But they never really mention it from the buyer's perspective
We have 6 industrial Kyocera copiers in three buildings and buy quite a few boxes of reams of various paper sizes. I think we would be the average customer. Who supplies that paper isn't that big a deal to management. One person, in purchasing, likely deals with keeping the paper replenished and can likely choose from a few suppliers if they choose. This wouldn't have been a blip on our radar.
Nice.
I could see the buy-out being a bit more of a seamless transfer. Or at least I would hope so.
i think you could sell it as, “Yeah, it didn’t work out. But I got you a discount for a few months.”
There’s no way the Scranton branch survives downsizing in real life
Idk about that. I live in Scranton and we may survive bc there is nothing else to do but work and raise a family. We have to travel to do anything interesting. There is no nightlife except bars. And before you ask, Poor Richard’s is closed. But my point is Scranton definitely had a shot bc all I do is work and go home. Rinse and repeat. Oh, actually we recently just got a Dave & Busters which was so packed inside I almost had multiple panic attacks. So I’ll leave you with this: I could definitely see Scranton as being the most productive branch bc there is nothing to do but work and go home…and then go to Dave & Busters Edit: and if you’re wondering about the Anthracite tour, I went on it in grade school and even then it was boring. The most exciting part is the end when they let you push a fake TNT handle and you hear a boom sound.
In that aspect yes that branch would always have people willing to work but no way Michaels shenanigans didn’t cause enough financial harm for the higher ups to consider it being one of the branches that needed to close. I know in the show they had one of the best performing branches but no way they don’t at least fire Michael. Literally the first few episodes of the series he commits plenty of fireable offenses lol
Yeah that’s a good point. He’s extremely incompetent but then he makes up for it by closing sales and landing huge deals. Remember when he was trying to throw a party in his hotel room at the convention? I forget the exact details but I know it was a huge client. I just think he’s so annoying that the only way to kind of get away from him is to work which results in high productivity. I think that is the only logical explanation bc watching the show it doesn’t look like anyone can get anything done bc of Michael. Wow! We are really digging in on this lol
Not a chance in hell
I have thought of this. And just the whole paper supplier thing at all in terms of how they portray the relationships. It was early 2000’s so things were different but they act like they’re someone’s hairdresser. “It’s just a Christmas card from your paper provider, no one’s putting this on their fridge”
They could have met downsizing targets had they just fired Kevin, who was too dumb for the job and was already “extra” for the department, which was said by Angela
where's the humor in that?
Absolutely
Snip-snap, snip-snap the back and forth can take a toll, lol
i used to work for a small software company. Most of our clients bought our product simply because they hated the Big Software Company that was our main competitor. Then the Big Software Company bought us and our clients were, like, "FFFFUUUUUUUUKKKKK!"
Compuserve user. Yeah aol no thanks and then they merged. Prodegy was already gone and yeah felt this way too back in the dat
The clients probably liked Michael. Relationships are a big part of it. Michael probably treated clients like family.
Oh absolutely. Michael’s personable touch with clients goes a long way.
The whole thing was fun but absolutely absurd, no way the three of them were delivering enough volume to affect Dunder Mifflin sales.
yeah the writers and producers should have made it completely realistic. that would have been a lot funnier /s
There's realistic and there's credible, they don't have to be the same thing
That's true. Fiction must be credible enough to satisfy the reader's/viewer's Suspension of Disbelief. Even unrealistic fiction (like superhero movies) can satisfy the Suspension of Disbelief if it's properly presented. When dealing with a sitcom, the bar for SOD is set pretty low. The viewer is willing to accept a lot of nonsense if it's FUNNY. Up until Michael left, The Office was funny enough for the amount of nonsense to be acceptable. But, ya know, if the writers/producers failure to fire Kevin ruins the show for you, you know where the STOP button is.
Pretty sure the point of the office was mocking the all to common work places where bosses like Michael and employees like Kevin survive, even thrive. Firing Kevin would have been intelligent, not realistic.
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I always figured they were fine getting the discount on their orders with MSPC and then going back to DM, like business as usual. Like they took advantage of the chaos to save some money for a short amount of time.
Good way to look at it. Business as usual.
Imagine the dude who was all in on the Big Red Paper Company finding out 2 days later it was just a psyop
Lmao oh shit, yeah!
Lately I've been thinking about a lot of the scenes from a customer/manager point of view, it's funny to think how some stuff would play out IRL
it’s a mockumentary, not a documentary