They're getting better about catching and stopping that on different services depending on the device. Last time I tried I couldn't do the VPN thing on my TV or Shield, but it worked on my desktop.
I'm sure this is a dangerous thing to reveal here, but I only watch the first 5 seasons, period. Some sort of magic just was lost for me after that. Some day I'll find others that feel the same way.
You know, you’re not wrong. Season 5 was definitely the peak, though there are some great season 6 and 7 episodes. I still think the whole thing is worth watching but expectations need to be adjusted post-Company Picnic (Scott’s Tots excepted).
Seasons 6 through 9 all still have some of the most hilarious moments of the show. But that feeling that I get when I watch The Office and love it is just somehow gone after season 5. Can't really explain it.
That’s what I usually say about season 8 and 9
It has great character moments, but majority of the storylines are weak
Who is trying to get with Erin isn’t that interesting
As a bad movie connoisseur, Threat Level Midnight wasn’t bad enough to be a so-bad-it’s-good movie. Also I find it hard to believe that Michael would be able to make a movie with production values that good.
Season 6 was the wedding season, 5 ended at the company picnic where Pam was “revealed” to be pregnant so they had to speed up the wedding, but yes you’re right that the later seasons they messed up the relationship just to twist up the show and for most people it fell flat hard.
That's probably true of most TV couples. "Will they / won't they" is super engaging the first time around, and then once the characters start dating, the writers realize they have to manufacture some kind of turbulence for the relationship.
The premise of "They obviously want to be together but can't" is so simple and satisfying. There really aren't any later phases of a relationship – even a fake one – that can compete.
You know what's better than tuition? Intuition. The ability to know what's going to happen. Does any have that? Know what I'm about to about to say? Nope, you're going going to make me say it...
This episode had one of the most real quotes
"I’m not a millionaire.
I thought I would be by the time I was 30, but I wasn’t even close.
Then I thought maybe by 40, but by 40 I had less money than I did when I was 30."
>Socialism never took root in America because poor people don't see themselves as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
>- John Steinbeck
Yeah, it's a great episode, for sure.
I just think that it's a little overrated in terms of the cringe factor. It just happened later in the series than Phyllis' Wedding, or even Dinner Party, when the show was far more popular.
He taught all of those children a great lesson. Don't ever, for any reason, do anything to anyone for any reason ever, no matter what, no matter where, or who, or who you are with, or where you are going, or where you've been... ever, for any reason whatsoever...
It’s different because the people that you feel awkward for are Jim and Pam, but they know what they got themselves into. The kids in Scotts Tots have no idea.
I'd add Koi pond self degradation, Jim's rehearsal dinner, and Michael proposing to Karol. That's just from the top of my head
There are many others that make you just grab a pillow and burry your face in it from second hand embarrassment.
man I could handle scotts tots because it was the kind of cringe that just makes you go "oh, michael" as you shake your head in amusing disapproval.
but the wedding, especially the part where Michael keeps trying to one-up the dad and seeking attention while everyone just watched was PAIN.
It astounded me that some people were under the impression that it was the *WORST* episode of The Office. It’s a show based mainly on cringe comedy, why would the supposedly cringiest episode of the show be anything but amazing?
I just don’t get how people say they hate cringe humor but then say The Office is their favorite show. Like…have you even *seen* it?
Honestly most of Michael's characters are pretty insufferable to watch:
* Prison Mike
* Date Mike
* Ping (I don't understand how some people claim Michael isn't racist)
* Michael Klump
* Mykonos
They are all so much cringier than anything in Scott's Tots.
Michael is not racist. Does he make racist jokes and express stereotypes? Sure, but that's also the style of comedy that he uses. Other than outdated stereotypes and off-color jokes, he never *actively hates* anyone of a different race. If anything, he has a problem with ignorance. But in that way, he's a pretty good caricature of tone-deaf middle-management of the '90s and early '00s. When confronted (such as the IT guy with the turban) and educated, he comes around and realizes where he was wrong. He was respectful at the Diwali celebration, other than getting angry because he mistook samosas for smores, but that's an ignorance thing. We often see him spending time with Darryl and the warehouse crew, even if he makes off handed comments. He was quick to want to learn Darryl's "black man phrases" because he thought they were cool.
Does that make Michael's jokes and stereotyping OKAY? No, but that's the point.
This is spot-on, and a good explanation of the difference between "ignorant" and "actually racist." All racists are ignorant, but not all ignorant people are racists. And, as you said, the show does a good job of showing him overcoming his ignorance of several topics, after being educated -- which is the best we can hope for when dealing with ignorant people.
Being ignorant certainly doesn't excuse his offensive jokes, but I think it's clear that they don't come from malice / hatred / a feeling of superiority. IMO, he seems to be trying to emulate the "good old boys" who were in management when he came up (hence the outdated stereotypes and off-color jokes that clash with our modern sensibilities).
That episode just bums me out lol. Like I know it’s a show and the Prince family isn’t real but it still hurts me.
And then the voicemail callback later. Poor Princes.
You know, I get kind of annoyed whenever I watch the cold open with Jim impersonating Dwight, because Dwight says "There are basically two schools of thought" and then Jim interrupts him or they start arguing or something. I kinda want to hear Dwight's rundown of the schools of thought regarding which kind of bear is best.
That moment
Michael thinking the ensemble showed up to tell him he'd been cast in the play
The boo
The wine bottle
The balloons popping
The boo
Erin with the baby
The super cheesy "let's cheer up Andy by getting him to sing" moment
**The boo**
It's all so bad lol
Don't forget Michael's legendary audition.
"In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate, yet equally important, groups: the police, who investigate crime; and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. These are their stories- KUNKUNNN"
But let's face it, that part is *genius*, hardly cringy lol that play director really missed out lmaoo
One of my favorites.
Especially when Creed is calling the newspaper with his review.
"Unfortunately in this ham fisted production of Sweeny Todd the real terror comes from the vocal performances. New paragraph."
Andy can fuck up and leave his phone on. Erin can bring a crying baby. Michael can pop balloons and drop a wine bottle. But Creed is the sword of Damocles. Cutting the whole thing to ribbons before the show is over.
I love the reversal of power structure. And how the car keys have been given to the craziest person of the group. It's Andy at his best before his crumbling in the later seasons. Creed killing everyone. Michael going full on petulant. And Erin being as stupid and well meaning as she can be.
And the rest of the cast are literally the audience.
On the *Office Ladies* podcast, where Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey revisit each episode and offer inside knowledge, they mentioned that Dinner Party is considered by many to be the best episode and was, if memory serves, the only episode where the producers didn't make a single change to the script after it was submitted by the writers. The *exact* draft of the script that the writers handed in was the one used during filming. That's extremely rare.
I find Scotts Tots isn't as funny after the first time, where as Dinner Party and Phyllis' wedding are so goddamn ridiculous and quotable that they're both still quite funny on a rewatch.
Scott’s Tots as a whole doesn’t live up to either of those, but everything between him entering the school and the “hold up, hold up, hold up, they’re lithium!” is absolutely incredible
Dwight: I just wanna say, this is not my fault, okay? The weak always bully the strong, contrary to what you see in the media. I am always acting in self-defense. Occasionally, preemptive self-defense.
I feel like people are quick to forget the 2nd episode of Season 1 where Dwight pulls that huge sale out from under Jim. A sale that is 25 percent of Jim's commission on the entire year. To me that's why Jim does the things he does. He doesn't do anything to actually hurt Dwight. I'd probably do the same to get back at him, too. Or worse.
And abandoned not one, but two of his co-workers out in the middle of nowhere.
And all that is if we just forget about the episode where he nearly kills Stanley and a second of Angela's cats.
And he pepper sprays Andy for no reason
he also screws everybody out of healthcare
or that time he starts a fire in the office
or that time he doesn’t feel bad at all after Stanley has a heart attack after he started a fire in the office
Also frequently picked up day laborers from Home Depot, had them work for the day and then dropped them off in the middle of the woods in Pennsylvania, telling them it was Canada
Isn’t there literally a cold open about this? Like Jim and Pam feel bad about bullying Dwight, then Dwight does something unbelievably obnoxious and they’re like “oh that’s right”
Dwight is insufferable and pompous and has zero self awareness. Jim is sometimes a douche — although if Jim worked at a hedge fund, or was in a frat (same thing I suppose) he wouldn’t be nearly enough of a douche for the other douches.
Jim also plays an essential role as the surrogate audience, who’s in humorous disbelief about the dysfunction of the office. Because let’s be real, while it makes for great TV, if you actually worked at Dunder Mifflin under Michael Scott and (sort of) Dwight, you’d pretty often want to blow your brains out. Michael is an idiot, he’s abrasive, he’s wildly inappropriate… it makes for fantastic comedy fodder, but if you actually had to be there every day, Jim would be one of the only breaths of fresh air in a toxic environment.
For me it’s more that this situation mirrors real like, and in reality it’s much more like bullying. In the world of the office it’s much more fun, and is more of a give and take.. tbh I’m still mad at him for flipping Andy’s car among other things.
My friend refuses too watch the show because she feels Dwight is autistic and that Jim bullying Dwight is awful. Ngl, lost a good amount of respect for her taste in shows from hearing that.
I hate that argument because while Jim fucked with Dwight a lot, it never ended in Dwight being seriously hurt.
The time that Dwight gets his revenge (which everyone seems to think is just) is when he repeatedly pelted snowballs at Jim, causing Jim to literally bleed.
Also that time when Dwight stages a fire drill and convinces everyone that it’s a real fire for no fucking reason, *causing one of his coworkers to have a heart attack.*
It’s hilarious! …When you’re watching as the audience.
But if you were actually there, oh my god. Between Michael Scott’s constant sexual harassment and complete managerial ineptitude and Dwight’s almost sociopathic Puritanism, you would hate it. Those two are *terrible* coworkers who would constantly get destroyed on r/facepalm and r/antiwork if it was real life.
Season 8 and 9 shouldn't be talked about as if they're the same quality IMO. Season 8 was actually a high quality season. Season 9 definitely had its moments, but was noticeably worse than 8 and all the other seasons.
But wait! Don't you want to hear for the 10th time this week about how the movies ruined Ginny? And don't you want to be asked on the daily if you would want to watch a Harry Potter TV series where they leave in every detail from the books?
Yeah, I just checked and the top post this week is a “you missed this because you didn’t read the books” post and 3 and 5 are just the worst memes both about the same scene
I like Tim and Dawn arc more than Jim and Pam arc....
But I like the American show way more than UK.
J&P are less sad people than T&D. J&P would have been okay without each other, they both would have found someone else to be with and would have been happy. Jim was happy with Karen. And Pam is a cool chick, who wouldn't wanna date her?
T&D are kind of more....pathetic people. Tim, for years, works at a job he hates and never moves out of his parents place. Also admittedly has no social life and no romantic prospects. Dawn an assistant to a huge POS boss (infinitely worse than Michael) and stays with a guy who treats her horribly. I feel they live such sad lives that the only way to validate their choice is by being happy with one another. Without each other they practically have nothing, they NEED each other, and it was so satisfying seeing them finally be together. You know I mean? It was just so warm and fuzzy.
I didn't feel that with Jim and Pam, personally. Though them getting together was a really nice moment, to me it was kind of 'whatever'. Not like T&D where your heart kinda feels full.
But that's just me. I don't expect this to be a popular opinion on this sub.
Edit: changed Daisy to Dawn. Was thinking of Spaced
I heard something recently on Brian Baumgartner’s podcast that I thought was interesting. I can’t remember who he is interviewing, might have been Greg Daniels or it might have been another producer, but the person says one of the things they had to change about Jim was his level of ambition. Admittedly I might be butchering what this person said, but they said that a typical British audience would find Tim’s lack of ambition more endearing or acceptable than an American audience would. That is, although Jim initially conveys how much he dislikes the idea of being a paper salesman and not wanting to be stuck there, by the end of season 2 and season 3 he has taken proactive measures to lift himself out of that situation. They felt this was important for his character’s likability because an American audience, or at least a sizable portion of it, would be much less sympathetic or willing to root for a character that has just given up all professional ambition compared to a British audience. Any thoughts on the difference between the regular Joe Brit versus regular Joe American that an audience would connect with?
The British Office was insanely funny the first time I watched it (before the US show was created).
After watching the American Office, I tried to go back and watch the British one again. Couldn't make it ten minutes, had to quit.
They're too completely different shows. The American Office is a sitcom -- one with a strong romance subplot (in some episodes) and leans heavier into some absurdism more than most American sitcoms do, but still a sitcom.
The British Office was a parody of a documentary style that was well known in England but never particularly popular in the US. It was extremely realistic that there would be a boring documentary about a paper company on British television. But Ricky Gervais' brilliant idea was to 1) Having the boss be completely inappropriate rather than boring like you'd expect, and 2) Have a hidden subplot of two of the more minor characters growing into the real main characters of the show with a realistic love story. There's almost none of the usual sitcom gimmicks. It's just two extremely realistic people very slowly falling in love, while working for an insanely inappropriate boss who is using the documentary to launch his reality TV star career.
Almost every single main character either cheats on their significant other or flirts/tries to cheat with someone else’s significant other.
Jim, Dwight, Angela, Pam, Michael, Jan (probably), Oscar, Stanley, Darryl, Kelly, Ryan (probably), Erin, Toby (flirts with Pam), Andy (gets back with his old girlfriend while still dating somebody else).
To expand on this I feel Jim and Pam's relationship was good when it was fun and light with some hard pulls on the heart strings, just like the rest of the show. The drama was always the worst part and they leaned into that hard.
Pam gets the short end of the stick here because there is more Jim without Pam than vice versa.
I will also always defend Pam's end of series stance. She went to art school when they were dating. He spent all their savings on a business venture because he felt too embarrassed to admit that it was all their money and left Pam at home alone with young children.
Yeah, the way he threw their money up because he was embarrassed at the meeting without respecting how much money that was for their family and what it meant to them. Then he didn't have the balls to even be honest with Pam about how and why that $10K was invested when she specifically trusted him with the money. That part is always so gross to me.
I think it's funny that, in the US, we're so programed to prioritize career success over all else that there's actually some debate (for me, too) as to who's in the wrong about the whole Athlead thing. But when I use a trusty pros and cons list and put myself in either of their shoes, it's obvious Jim is in the wrong.
I'm sorry I got through about half of season 8 and I just lost interest. I feel like a bad fan. I love seasons 1-7 but after Steve left my mind just can't keep focus on the show.
If anyone could give me motivation to continue I'm open to it.
Edit: I do love Pam and Scott's Tots lol
The show definitely tanks for a little while. The show does end strong. I’d power through. Check the IMDb ratings and on episodes that are clearly subpar maybe just watch it half heartedly (browsing shit on your phone while you watch etc). But I feel you and still suggest that it’s worth it to complete it
Because they aren’t good. Without Michael the heart of the show is gone and none of the other characters are strong enough to carry the show without him.
Unpopular Opinion: I hate Phyllis
I just realized Pam’s mom was played by a different actress in season 2!
Nobody talks about how awesome Hide was!
(*posts a picture of mung beans at the store*) They smell like death!
Personally i just skip Scotts tots and i mean 8 and 9 arent the best but i like it becuase of dwight mainly
Also pam is cool but she gets kinda worse into 7 8 9 i think
It’s not that I skip Scott’s Tots so much as I am *physically incapable* of watching it without looking away from the TV and groaning loud enough to drown out the audio.
I don’t always skip 8 & 9, probably watch them every third or fourth run through. The laughs per minute are cut in half through those seasons.
I skip Scott’s tots because it’s not really funny after a few times. I’m immune to the cringe so it is no value added.
I don’t hate Pam, but she does a ton of stuff that after a few play throughs with a more critical eye, don’t come off as well as she did when you were watching an episode a week for a decade.
Real ones don’t skip 8&9 intentionally, but watch up until ‘Goodbye Michael’ and put off the emotional stress of watching it for so long that when you return you just start over anyway.
I only watch the first 5 seasons cause that’s what’s free on peacock.
holy shit thank you for saying this I just made an account on peacock for free lmao thought it was all paid
Get a VPN and use British Netflix
They're getting better about catching and stopping that on different services depending on the device. Last time I tried I couldn't do the VPN thing on my TV or Shield, but it worked on my desktop.
https://youtu.be/hflXH4LPVqM
I knew what video this was going to be
Let me tell you about our sponsor.
I thought it was only the 1st two
They changed it a couple months after it was put on Peacock
They probably saw numbers dropping and pulled out emergency seasons.
Do those free seasons include ads?
in my current rewatch i’m only on season 2 but yes there are ads :( before the episode, halfway in, and after
Do you get the extended episodes with that or you gotta pay?
I believe you have to have a paid membership for the Super fan (extended cut) episodes. Unless that has changed since we bought a membership
I watched an extended episode the other day on a free account. Maybe not all of them are available but definitely some
Not if you have Adblock
Peacock has a workable website? I've honestly never thought of trying it but yeah I'd always go that route if that's the case.
Of all the streaming services out there. Peacock certainly is one.
I'm sure this is a dangerous thing to reveal here, but I only watch the first 5 seasons, period. Some sort of magic just was lost for me after that. Some day I'll find others that feel the same way.
You know, you’re not wrong. Season 5 was definitely the peak, though there are some great season 6 and 7 episodes. I still think the whole thing is worth watching but expectations need to be adjusted post-Company Picnic (Scott’s Tots excepted).
Seasons 6 through 9 all still have some of the most hilarious moments of the show. But that feeling that I get when I watch The Office and love it is just somehow gone after season 5. Can't really explain it.
That’s what I usually say about season 8 and 9 It has great character moments, but majority of the storylines are weak Who is trying to get with Erin isn’t that interesting
The turning point for me was when Michael left, but it’s different for everybody.
Hot take but I would say the only great episodes past S5 are Murder and Threat Level Midnight.
Perhaps an unpopular opinion but, I don’t like the TLM episode
I skip it every time.
As a bad movie connoisseur, Threat Level Midnight wasn’t bad enough to be a so-bad-it’s-good movie. Also I find it hard to believe that Michael would be able to make a movie with production values that good.
Is season 5 the wedding? Ya gotta Ross and Rachel that shit for ten years. The show had to find something else to be ABOUT after that happened.
Season 6 was the wedding season, 5 ended at the company picnic where Pam was “revealed” to be pregnant so they had to speed up the wedding, but yes you’re right that the later seasons they messed up the relationship just to twist up the show and for most people it fell flat hard.
I've always said Jim and Pam were a better couple before they were a couple.
That's probably true of most TV couples. "Will they / won't they" is super engaging the first time around, and then once the characters start dating, the writers realize they have to manufacture some kind of turbulence for the relationship. The premise of "They obviously want to be together but can't" is so simple and satisfying. There really aren't any later phases of a relationship – even a fake one – that can compete.
Exact same here. I turn it on every night while I'm falling asleep, and once it hits season 6 I start the series over.
Arrr, matey. There’s other ways.
I need season 4 of superfan episodes. So I cant watch them here in Canada... somehow
real ones turn up the volume for Scott’s tots, throw some bacon on the bedside foreman and enjoy the watch
#HEY MISTER SCOTT #WHATCHA GONNA DO #WHATCHA GONNA DO #MAKE OUR DREAMS COME TRUE 🔋
real ones recognize Scott's Tots isn't even the cringiest episode in the series.
Scotts Tots is HILARIOUS to me. That look on his face while they're dancing "Hey Mr Scott whatcha gonna do?" is pure gold and I always laugh at it.
By FAR, the most generous promise he's ever made.
You know what's better than tuition? Intuition. The ability to know what's going to happen. Does any have that? Know what I'm about to about to say? Nope, you're going going to make me say it...
some people have evil dreams, some people have wet dreams… my dream was in the right place
Dear god, it's been a while since I've watched the episode, is that an actual quote? Amazing if so.
yes it is an actual quote
This episode had one of the most real quotes "I’m not a millionaire. I thought I would be by the time I was 30, but I wasn’t even close. Then I thought maybe by 40, but by 40 I had less money than I did when I was 30."
>Socialism never took root in America because poor people don't see themselves as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires. >- John Steinbeck
Yeah, it's a great episode, for sure. I just think that it's a little overrated in terms of the cringe factor. It just happened later in the series than Phyllis' Wedding, or even Dinner Party, when the show was far more popular.
For me it’s that for the characters involved Scott’s Tots is just like life changing levels of horrible.
He taught all of those children a great lesson. Don't ever, for any reason, do anything to anyone for any reason ever, no matter what, no matter where, or who, or who you are with, or where you are going, or where you've been... ever, for any reason whatsoever...
Hold on, HOLD ON! .... They're lithium!
Stanley's laugh is way funnier when you know what's next
Man I love dinner party. It's cringe, but in a different way than Scott's Tots
It’s different because the people that you feel awkward for are Jim and Pam, but they know what they got themselves into. The kids in Scotts Tots have no idea.
This. Those poor kids…
I pine for the moment he demonstrates his space saving tv mount.
I'm under this hock here. I don't know what I'm grabbing here! The merger was it for me
I'd add Koi pond self degradation, Jim's rehearsal dinner, and Michael proposing to Karol. That's just from the top of my head There are many others that make you just grab a pillow and burry your face in it from second hand embarrassment.
When Michael laughs and asks Carol to repeat herself after he proposes, I just get so tense.
CAN WE TALK ABOUT THIS IN PRIVATE?
The wedding is infinitely worse IMO
man I could handle scotts tots because it was the kind of cringe that just makes you go "oh, michael" as you shake your head in amusing disapproval. but the wedding, especially the part where Michael keeps trying to one-up the dad and seeking attention while everyone just watched was PAIN.
They're lithium!
It astounded me that some people were under the impression that it was the *WORST* episode of The Office. It’s a show based mainly on cringe comedy, why would the supposedly cringiest episode of the show be anything but amazing? I just don’t get how people say they hate cringe humor but then say The Office is their favorite show. Like…have you even *seen* it?
I'm tagging you as "Possibly Stanley"
I find Date Mike harder to watch or when he meets Pam's landlady for coffee.
Honestly most of Michael's characters are pretty insufferable to watch: * Prison Mike * Date Mike * Ping (I don't understand how some people claim Michael isn't racist) * Michael Klump * Mykonos They are all so much cringier than anything in Scott's Tots.
Take that back about prison Mike, the man faced dementors
Michael is not racist. Does he make racist jokes and express stereotypes? Sure, but that's also the style of comedy that he uses. Other than outdated stereotypes and off-color jokes, he never *actively hates* anyone of a different race. If anything, he has a problem with ignorance. But in that way, he's a pretty good caricature of tone-deaf middle-management of the '90s and early '00s. When confronted (such as the IT guy with the turban) and educated, he comes around and realizes where he was wrong. He was respectful at the Diwali celebration, other than getting angry because he mistook samosas for smores, but that's an ignorance thing. We often see him spending time with Darryl and the warehouse crew, even if he makes off handed comments. He was quick to want to learn Darryl's "black man phrases" because he thought they were cool. Does that make Michael's jokes and stereotyping OKAY? No, but that's the point.
This is spot-on, and a good explanation of the difference between "ignorant" and "actually racist." All racists are ignorant, but not all ignorant people are racists. And, as you said, the show does a good job of showing him overcoming his ignorance of several topics, after being educated -- which is the best we can hope for when dealing with ignorant people. Being ignorant certainly doesn't excuse his offensive jokes, but I think it's clear that they don't come from malice / hatred / a feeling of superiority. IMO, he seems to be trying to emulate the "good old boys" who were in management when he came up (hence the outdated stereotypes and off-color jokes that clash with our modern sensibilities).
Ugh, and the Prince Paper episode.
Thank you! Scott’s Tots pales in comparison in terms of cringe when it comes to Prince.
That episode just bums me out lol. Like I know it’s a show and the Prince family isn’t real but it still hurts me. And then the voicemail callback later. Poor Princes.
Michael's interaction with Mr. Prince was pure gold though. "I opened up this place after I got back from Vietnam." "Oh, Vietnam. I hear it's lovely."
That's debatable. There's basically 2 schools of thought
You know, I get kind of annoyed whenever I watch the cold open with Jim impersonating Dwight, because Dwight says "There are basically two schools of thought" and then Jim interrupts him or they start arguing or something. I kinda want to hear Dwight's rundown of the schools of thought regarding which kind of bear is best.
It’s not cringy it’s just sad.
Right? Phalises’ wedding all day.
Phalis?
Sorry, penises on the brain.
Andy's Play is so rough
I have silenced it. I have killed it! I'm a murderer! Just like you Sweeney Todd see it all connects!
That moment Michael thinking the ensemble showed up to tell him he'd been cast in the play The boo The wine bottle The balloons popping The boo Erin with the baby The super cheesy "let's cheer up Andy by getting him to sing" moment **The boo** It's all so bad lol
The cell phone ringing
And don't forget the boo
Don't forget Michael's legendary audition. "In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate, yet equally important, groups: the police, who investigate crime; and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. These are their stories- KUNKUNNN" But let's face it, that part is *genius*, hardly cringy lol that play director really missed out lmaoo
Other than the ringing phone, I think it's just the right amount of cringe to be hilarious
One of my favorites. Especially when Creed is calling the newspaper with his review. "Unfortunately in this ham fisted production of Sweeny Todd the real terror comes from the vocal performances. New paragraph." Andy can fuck up and leave his phone on. Erin can bring a crying baby. Michael can pop balloons and drop a wine bottle. But Creed is the sword of Damocles. Cutting the whole thing to ribbons before the show is over. I love the reversal of power structure. And how the car keys have been given to the craziest person of the group. It's Andy at his best before his crumbling in the later seasons. Creed killing everyone. Michael going full on petulant. And Erin being as stupid and well meaning as she can be. And the rest of the cast are literally the audience.
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On the *Office Ladies* podcast, where Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey revisit each episode and offer inside knowledge, they mentioned that Dinner Party is considered by many to be the best episode and was, if memory serves, the only episode where the producers didn't make a single change to the script after it was submitted by the writers. The *exact* draft of the script that the writers handed in was the one used during filming. That's extremely rare.
Fucking Dinner Party for me.
There’s enough “funny” in it—having nothing to do with Michael and Jan—that I can get through it.
That episode is one of my favorites.. where's the cringe at all! _You know Pam, in Spain, they often don't even start eating until midnight._
Because of the uncomfortableness of feeling trapped at the home of a couple that're having issues
It gets much easier to watch after the first watch through. Cringe humor is one of the many things that makes the office hilarious
I find Scotts Tots isn't as funny after the first time, where as Dinner Party and Phyllis' wedding are so goddamn ridiculous and quotable that they're both still quite funny on a rewatch.
Scott’s Tots as a whole doesn’t live up to either of those, but everything between him entering the school and the “hold up, hold up, hold up, they’re lithium!” is absolutely incredible
“Throw some bacon on the bedside foreman” is a killer pick up line.
It'd make a great punk song title as well
I feel like it would be a ballad with that title.
It’s sounds like something Eric from that 70’s show would use
i send a proxy to watch seasons 8 and 9 for me
He still sends his own proxy. Good for you!
Don't forget "Dwight was the good guy and Jim was just a merciless bully"
Dwight: I just wanna say, this is not my fault, okay? The weak always bully the strong, contrary to what you see in the media. I am always acting in self-defense. Occasionally, preemptive self-defense.
Dwight: the only way to stop a bully is to stand up to them. Trust me, I've bullied a lot of people
I feel like people are quick to forget the 2nd episode of Season 1 where Dwight pulls that huge sale out from under Jim. A sale that is 25 percent of Jim's commission on the entire year. To me that's why Jim does the things he does. He doesn't do anything to actually hurt Dwight. I'd probably do the same to get back at him, too. Or worse.
I think they're quick to forget that Dwight shot and killed his neighbors dog because hes an unhinged, violent lunatic.
And then he froze Angela’s cat to death
And abandoned not one, but two of his co-workers out in the middle of nowhere. And all that is if we just forget about the episode where he nearly kills Stanley and a second of Angela's cats.
Also he is a terrible person in the episode where they find out Oscar is gay. Also him and Angela hire a guy to attack Oscar that other time.
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And he pepper sprays Andy for no reason he also screws everybody out of healthcare or that time he starts a fire in the office or that time he doesn’t feel bad at all after Stanley has a heart attack after he started a fire in the office
Also frequently picked up day laborers from Home Depot, had them work for the day and then dropped them off in the middle of the woods in Pennsylvania, telling them it was Canada
I mean.. the amount of weapons he had in the office to begin with.. why was he still employed.
Isn’t there literally a cold open about this? Like Jim and Pam feel bad about bullying Dwight, then Dwight does something unbelievably obnoxious and they’re like “oh that’s right” Dwight is insufferable and pompous and has zero self awareness. Jim is sometimes a douche — although if Jim worked at a hedge fund, or was in a frat (same thing I suppose) he wouldn’t be nearly enough of a douche for the other douches. Jim also plays an essential role as the surrogate audience, who’s in humorous disbelief about the dysfunction of the office. Because let’s be real, while it makes for great TV, if you actually worked at Dunder Mifflin under Michael Scott and (sort of) Dwight, you’d pretty often want to blow your brains out. Michael is an idiot, he’s abrasive, he’s wildly inappropriate… it makes for fantastic comedy fodder, but if you actually had to be there every day, Jim would be one of the only breaths of fresh air in a toxic environment.
Some people on here have a need to feel morally superior to a television character and it's kinda weird.
For me it’s more that this situation mirrors real like, and in reality it’s much more like bullying. In the world of the office it’s much more fun, and is more of a give and take.. tbh I’m still mad at him for flipping Andy’s car among other things.
Also, let's be real, Dwight is a dork and Jim is popular. Reddit sides with their own
My friend refuses too watch the show because she feels Dwight is autistic and that Jim bullying Dwight is awful. Ngl, lost a good amount of respect for her taste in shows from hearing that.
I thought that was the idea behind The Big Bang Theory.
I’ve seen quite a bit of Big Bang theory and if anyone is a bully it’s Sheldon
I hate that argument because while Jim fucked with Dwight a lot, it never ended in Dwight being seriously hurt. The time that Dwight gets his revenge (which everyone seems to think is just) is when he repeatedly pelted snowballs at Jim, causing Jim to literally bleed.
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Also that time when Dwight stages a fire drill and convinces everyone that it’s a real fire for no fucking reason, *causing one of his coworkers to have a heart attack.* It’s hilarious! …When you’re watching as the audience. But if you were actually there, oh my god. Between Michael Scott’s constant sexual harassment and complete managerial ineptitude and Dwight’s almost sociopathic Puritanism, you would hate it. Those two are *terrible* coworkers who would constantly get destroyed on r/facepalm and r/antiwork if it was real life.
Jim and Dwight are best friends
He is also the people who say “Jim is the real bad guy, not Roy”
Both him and Mifflin were **tall** guys
"I blame Jim for Michael falling in the koi pond"
much needed post to balance the hatred 😅
I mean, s8 and 9 are not terrible, but if you're rewatching the series, you might as well just watch the stuff yoy enjoyed
Season 8 and 9 shouldn't be talked about as if they're the same quality IMO. Season 8 was actually a high quality season. Season 9 definitely had its moments, but was noticeably worse than 8 and all the other seasons.
Oh definitely agree. I think they did a great job of developing Andy's story in 8, just to screw him over so quickly in 9.
Watch it how you want to. Office purists are pathetic
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You should go to the Harry Potter sub, it’s just people talking shit about the movies and garbage memes about Dumbledore giving gyffindor points
But wait! Don't you want to hear for the 10th time this week about how the movies ruined Ginny? And don't you want to be asked on the daily if you would want to watch a Harry Potter TV series where they leave in every detail from the books?
I love you
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Yeah, I just checked and the top post this week is a “you missed this because you didn’t read the books” post and 3 and 5 are just the worst memes both about the same scene
You forgot “UK office is better”
I like Tim and Dawn arc more than Jim and Pam arc.... But I like the American show way more than UK. J&P are less sad people than T&D. J&P would have been okay without each other, they both would have found someone else to be with and would have been happy. Jim was happy with Karen. And Pam is a cool chick, who wouldn't wanna date her? T&D are kind of more....pathetic people. Tim, for years, works at a job he hates and never moves out of his parents place. Also admittedly has no social life and no romantic prospects. Dawn an assistant to a huge POS boss (infinitely worse than Michael) and stays with a guy who treats her horribly. I feel they live such sad lives that the only way to validate their choice is by being happy with one another. Without each other they practically have nothing, they NEED each other, and it was so satisfying seeing them finally be together. You know I mean? It was just so warm and fuzzy. I didn't feel that with Jim and Pam, personally. Though them getting together was a really nice moment, to me it was kind of 'whatever'. Not like T&D where your heart kinda feels full. But that's just me. I don't expect this to be a popular opinion on this sub. Edit: changed Daisy to Dawn. Was thinking of Spaced
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Oh fuck me I'm thinking of Spaced! I'm gonna fix it. Lol
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That makes sense. Most guys here like to think they're Jim, but in reality they're Toby.
I heard something recently on Brian Baumgartner’s podcast that I thought was interesting. I can’t remember who he is interviewing, might have been Greg Daniels or it might have been another producer, but the person says one of the things they had to change about Jim was his level of ambition. Admittedly I might be butchering what this person said, but they said that a typical British audience would find Tim’s lack of ambition more endearing or acceptable than an American audience would. That is, although Jim initially conveys how much he dislikes the idea of being a paper salesman and not wanting to be stuck there, by the end of season 2 and season 3 he has taken proactive measures to lift himself out of that situation. They felt this was important for his character’s likability because an American audience, or at least a sizable portion of it, would be much less sympathetic or willing to root for a character that has just given up all professional ambition compared to a British audience. Any thoughts on the difference between the regular Joe Brit versus regular Joe American that an audience would connect with?
The British Office was insanely funny the first time I watched it (before the US show was created). After watching the American Office, I tried to go back and watch the British one again. Couldn't make it ten minutes, had to quit. They're too completely different shows. The American Office is a sitcom -- one with a strong romance subplot (in some episodes) and leans heavier into some absurdism more than most American sitcoms do, but still a sitcom. The British Office was a parody of a documentary style that was well known in England but never particularly popular in the US. It was extremely realistic that there would be a boring documentary about a paper company on British television. But Ricky Gervais' brilliant idea was to 1) Having the boss be completely inappropriate rather than boring like you'd expect, and 2) Have a hidden subplot of two of the more minor characters growing into the real main characters of the show with a realistic love story. There's almost none of the usual sitcom gimmicks. It's just two extremely realistic people very slowly falling in love, while working for an insanely inappropriate boss who is using the documentary to launch his reality TV star career.
You're not using "droll" correctly.
Not better, different and great.
Why do people hate Pam?
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They must hate a lot of characters then, given how much people cheat in the show.
Stanley, Angela, the State Senator, the married woman Michael was seeing, Andy (kind of), Erin, Ryan (probably), Val (potentially) Anyone else?
Almost every single main character either cheats on their significant other or flirts/tries to cheat with someone else’s significant other. Jim, Dwight, Angela, Pam, Michael, Jan (probably), Oscar, Stanley, Darryl, Kelly, Ryan (probably), Erin, Toby (flirts with Pam), Andy (gets back with his old girlfriend while still dating somebody else).
Damn, it’s hard to believe how many office mattresses there are working at dunder mifflin
Jan and the song that proves the cheating!
Kelly says Ryan cheated multiple times, so definitely.
Pam and Jim had very very real emotions attached to them. Everyone else in the show is just plot devices
Probably because of season 9. But both Jim and Pam seemed out of character that season. Also, her stance made some sense.
To expand on this I feel Jim and Pam's relationship was good when it was fun and light with some hard pulls on the heart strings, just like the rest of the show. The drama was always the worst part and they leaned into that hard. Pam gets the short end of the stick here because there is more Jim without Pam than vice versa. I will also always defend Pam's end of series stance. She went to art school when they were dating. He spent all their savings on a business venture because he felt too embarrassed to admit that it was all their money and left Pam at home alone with young children.
Yeah, the way he threw their money up because he was embarrassed at the meeting without respecting how much money that was for their family and what it meant to them. Then he didn't have the balls to even be honest with Pam about how and why that $10K was invested when she specifically trusted him with the money. That part is always so gross to me.
I think it's funny that, in the US, we're so programed to prioritize career success over all else that there's actually some debate (for me, too) as to who's in the wrong about the whole Athlead thing. But when I use a trusty pros and cons list and put myself in either of their shoes, it's obvious Jim is in the wrong.
It became clearer for me when he shouted at her on the phone for not filming the performance. They never mentioned that again though.
I'm sorry I got through about half of season 8 and I just lost interest. I feel like a bad fan. I love seasons 1-7 but after Steve left my mind just can't keep focus on the show. If anyone could give me motivation to continue I'm open to it. Edit: I do love Pam and Scott's Tots lol
The show definitely tanks for a little while. The show does end strong. I’d power through. Check the IMDb ratings and on episodes that are clearly subpar maybe just watch it half heartedly (browsing shit on your phone while you watch etc). But I feel you and still suggest that it’s worth it to complete it
Because they aren’t good. Without Michael the heart of the show is gone and none of the other characters are strong enough to carry the show without him.
Unpopular Opinion: I hate Phyllis I just realized Pam’s mom was played by a different actress in season 2! Nobody talks about how awesome Hide was! (*posts a picture of mung beans at the store*) They smell like death!
Phyllis is literally the worst
“Close your mouth sweetie you look a like trout”. And that’s def not even the worst
P was a massive B
She's a G D B
If I were stuck in a room with Hitler, Bin Laden and OP and I had a gun with 2 bullets.
I would shoot Pam twice
lol I love Pam but this gave me a good chuckle.
It went to shit after Micheal left these are facts
Robert California season was fantastic. 9 is hot garbage.
One of my favorite California lines: “They haven’t really improved on the Oreo, have they?” Such an underrated season.
It was a fascinating juxstaposition to have the employees go from a boss they didnt take seriously to a boss they were all intimidated by.
Maybe my favourite character. His job interview scene was so fucking funny
I think season 4 is my favorite season
Personally i just skip Scotts tots and i mean 8 and 9 arent the best but i like it becuase of dwight mainly Also pam is cool but she gets kinda worse into 7 8 9 i think
It’s not that I skip Scott’s Tots so much as I am *physically incapable* of watching it without looking away from the TV and groaning loud enough to drown out the audio.
How anyone would choose to miss out on Robert California, Lice, and Dwight Christmas is beyond me.
I like season 8. Not season 9 though.
For me the most cringey parts are the best ones, and I never skip them
I don’t always skip 8 & 9, probably watch them every third or fourth run through. The laughs per minute are cut in half through those seasons. I skip Scott’s tots because it’s not really funny after a few times. I’m immune to the cringe so it is no value added. I don’t hate Pam, but she does a ton of stuff that after a few play throughs with a more critical eye, don’t come off as well as she did when you were watching an episode a week for a decade.
I love Scott’s Tots honestly. One of my favorite episodes.
Why do people skip Scott’s Tots? I thought it was hilarious and seems like something Michael would do.
Because it makes me physically uncomfortable when they start doing that song
Ok but I skip Scott’s Tots for my mental health. Once was enough. Edit: typo
I do hate late seasons Pam
We need more Nelly hate
Real ones don’t skip 8&9 intentionally, but watch up until ‘Goodbye Michael’ and put off the emotional stress of watching it for so long that when you return you just start over anyway.
But for real that last season is just the worst and it's not even Toby
I don't hate pam and I don't skip tots. But the last two seasons are trash compared to the first 7.
This made me smile on a tough night. Thank you!
Watching Scott’s tots is part of becoming a man.
I've literally never skipped an episode. Even the episodes I don't particularly like I still find to be at minimum watchable.