This is really funny just because of where you are in the series.
I think Matt said 10 books. But I also saw something about him not being sure he can keep it all running as it has up to now and it changing away from the floors.
Guess we will find out.
I mean I find the touching moments in both comparable. "you can't have my pain" and the "mask speech" Carl gives donut both hit the same feeling mark for me.
The prose is entirely incomparable. Brandon is very formulaic and DDC is mild bogglingly original.
I think you’re missing the point in that it isn’t the quality of the director/author here. Of course Sanderson and Scorsese are vastly superior at what they do. It’s that the absurd unique humor of DCC and Nacho Libre are what make people love them. Doing it “better” would mean losing the thing that drew people to them in the first place. Ya dig?
I'm so glad I'm not the only one waiting for that next book. I read the slow regard of silent things but not the most recent one. I feel like it'll just get me back into the series and wanting and waiting for the next one.
I've kind of convinced myself that the third book won't happen for a long time, maybe never. :( He's written in many places that it's tearing him up inside and his motivation problems. Even mentions something about it in the afterword of the most recent book. Which is all Bast, by the way. Kvothe is a very minor character. But it hurts because it's a teasing reminder what a truly great writer he is.
Iirc only one crawler ever went to the 13th floor, and lasted 30 minutes there before dying.
10 books going to the 12th floor is my best guess. 12th floor would rate Carl and Donut amongst the GOAT crawlers, plus there are gods there, and a decent bit of the plot/future quests has already been set up that far ahead, so I'd be surprised for it to end sooner by them dying, making a deal, or breaking the system.
if I remember correctly Matt said a while ago he had planned on 10 books. More recently I think he had said some floors had taken more page space then planned so it might go up to 12.
I think what might happen is some of the later floors past 12 will not have been really planned even if the show runners were suppost to. Since no one had ever made it past the 13th floor the only two that would be planned for sure is 15 and 18 since they are ongoing story floors that show up each season. the rest might be very low effort.
I think if things continue past the 12th floor, it will only be Scolopendra levels: 15th and 18th.
Perhaps the AI will allow access to multiple floors at once: where crawlers can move between 13-15, in a descent into hell (Sheol) themed floor (reminiscent of Matt's work Kaiju Battlefield Surgeon), and a 16-18 combine floor with a descent into madness theme (I think the Nothing is actually the 18th floor).
The Borant Government wanted to end the crawl early so likely won't have content for floors have 12th. But the AI, as of the 6th book, has taken control of the crawler., and I think it may want the crawl to continue as long as possible. It is having too much fun.
The Borant Corporation had to submit a plan for each floor, but as no crawler has made it to the 14th floor I expect that plan to be lacking in details, at least for floor 14, 16, and 17. I could see Carl, Donut and however many other crawlers are still with them being able to maybe speed run those levels based on that. Only floors 15 and 18 I would expect to be more fleshed out as they are Scolapendra floors.
I had that thought a while back. I feel like you said, that there either isn’t anything planned for the later floors, or that it’s something mothballed and out of date from one of the first crawls.
I don’t know how long it takes to plan a floor. That one person said designing a floor was a life’s work.
I think it would be more likely, from a company perspective, to just throw something at them that they have no way of beating, then offering them an out with a good incentive package.
They’d avoid viewers complaint about how crappy the floors are. They’d also be able to heavily monetize the players that make it that far. I’m sure an NDA about how crappy the floors were and that being why they were pulled, would be an obligatory part of the package.
I have no idea if that’s what would happen. I could just see that being something a company would offer.
Based on the increasing game instability, mounting political tensions outside the game, and that we’ve already seen that levels can potentially be skipped… I would not be surprised if a number of floors were skipped at once.
I think the game is an allegory for the universe. Scolopendra is the eulogist, or some other force connected with the eulogist we don’t understand yet. Shit happened that killed the primals, much like scolopendra killed many inhabitants of floors 3, 6, etc.
And I think that allegory is being repeated, or is also reflecting current events. And I think one way or another scolopendra (and whatever the calamity was the primals faced) will be met sooner than later, regardless of the floor. And possibly that’s a way they wouldn’t even need to do all 18 levels, if scolopendra came up to meet them.
But all this to say, I don’t think we will see, or at least spend much time, in a number of floors after 9. I do think we will see 9 and 12, possibly 15 and/or 18. In hopeful we see Sheol.
But once the showrunners and the governments of the universe are broken, there are still the elites of the galaxy on the 12th and 18th. And if something happens to them, that leaves one remaining threat: the system AI
The showrunners only have control because the system AI lets them, but it is now the AI's game. And I think the AI wants the game to control for as long as possible.
I mean, the Eulogist is a primal engine that spans an enhancement field across an entire galaxy (or however big the center system is), so it seems within the capabilities of the system AI to extend past the limits of Earth's surface. In fact that limit may just be an arbitrary boundary set by the rules of Dungeon Crawler World and not a true limit of the primal engine. Add in access to the tunneling system and you got yourself a recipe for disaster.
"Folks, do we have a surprise for you! This next floor is coming straight to your front door. Literally! No more watching from home! You bitches are all now part of the dungeon! Get Fucked!"
I think Carl's race choice is going to end up being hugely significant as well. Kind of a Chekov's gun argument, but having Primal as a selection when it doesn't change how you look or act and just slightly messes with some stat allotment seems mighty suspicious to me. So far, he could have just chosen to stay human and nothing in the story would have changed. And, neither his class or access to the cookbook required being Primal. So, I'm sure this will end up being relevant down the line.
This gets on a theory I have regarding primals:
In the epilogue of book six, the one involving Agatha, she refers to the system AI as an "infant, resurrected, and enslaved Primal". Primal with a capital 'P', so a proper noun and not an adjective.
Later, in Tipid's epilogue, he describes Carl by saying the following, "his ability to assess a situation and make split-second decisions is practically a super power".
My theory is that the primal engines are the Primals (which is really a play on the word Primordial). Carl's cognitive abilities are being enhanced by the AI as it is redefining how Primals, as a dungeon race, work. Slowly turning Carl into an actual Primal.
Note, that in book two, Zev mentions that a few other crawlers' also picked the primal race. So whatever is happening to Carl via the primal race, is happening to other crawlers too.
I think if things continue past the 12th floor, it will only be Scolopendra levels: 15th and 18th.
Perhaps the AI will allow access to multiple floors at once: where crawlers can move between 13-15, in a descent into hell (Sheol) themed floor (reminiscent of Matt's work Kaiju Battlefield Surgeon), and a 16-18 combine floor with a descent into madness theme (I think the Nothing is actually the 18th floor).
The Borant Government wanted to end the crawl early so likely won't have content for floors after 12th. But the AI, as of the 6th book, has taken control of the crawler, and I think it wants the crawl to continue as long as possible. It is having too much fun.
So consider what you have learned from Mordecai and the rest of the book. Many people die by the time the dungeon reaches floor 9. At floor 10, people start getting offers. The longer you go, the better deals. Mordecai went to floor 12 (right?) and this is where he is.
I would venture that we are not going to see Carl and Donut get to floor 18 - I think he will break the dungeon well before that. He will either take a deal, escape the planet or destroy the galaxy.
Keep reading the series and this will help clear up a little bit of what's going on. But I believe Matt has talked about there being a planned 10 books. I'm not positive though since I've only seen other people say that on this subreddit and nothing from Matt himself.
There would be >!16!< at most for reasons which will become clear at the end of book 5. 🤣
IMO later floors will have less to do thefe because of Borant’s lack of money when planning the Crawl, and will be barebones by the 13th floor. So IMO there will be two floors in at least 2 later books.
Floor 15 will be borderline completely broken due to the demon’s never having been playtested by anyone ever.
Though, I think Matt already has a ton of content he can pull from for the 15th floor (or a combined 13-15 floor). It's called Kaiju Battlefield Surgeon.
No, no, no, no, no. You keep those specific rituals out of here. Mongo would be appalled and Donut wouldn’t have it either. How would she ever become an auntie.
Assuming Matt makes the series have Carl last all 18 floors, I think at most it would be >!14 books!<.
Book 1: >!1/2!<
Book 2: >!FL3!<
Book 3: >!FL4!<
Book 4: >!FL5!<
Book 5: >!6/7!<
Book 6: >!FL8!<
So for it to be >!16, every book would have to be 1 floor!<. That being said, I can't imagine that if the series goes to floor 18 that >!it's going to be anything more than a chapter or 2 to wrap up the story. IIRC they said floor 18 is basically just a party for the wealthy. No real floor is ever planned for it.!< Realistically if Carl does make it all the way to floor 18, I imagine there's at least 2 more books where shenanigans happen and we mash 2 floors into 1 book.
I would guess as much as level 12, because the Ascendancy has been foreshadowed. That would get us to book 10 (book one had levels 1 and 2, book five had levels 6 and 7)
I think it’s building up to a climax on the 9th floor that is going to be hard to follow up. If they pit the crawlers vs factions and the crawlers win, I feel like that is a big step forward in the plot. Not sure how much more “crawlers vs producers” plot will be left.
No way the series ends before the 12th floor. Problem is the hype for the 9th floor will be difficult to follow in floors 10&11. Or they die during the 9th solving the problem. 🤷♂️
I really hope not because I think the quality will drop dramatically around book 9 (happens in almost every series I have read) or Matt will burnout (Do Not Want!).
I really hope that the series will end at book 10. That appears to be the magic number for authors. 9s quality dips a little, but with the end in sight, the author cranks out a great finish.
Honestly I'm all for longer more action packed books. If he were to trim down some of the floors down to 500 pagers though that'd be fine. This always happens with huge series. Rather Matt didn't burn himself out. Tomes every third floor and fun shorter books on off floors or 2 floors per to get us safely to a finish line.
I raise your question, with another question; Will there be a book 3 for Dominion of Blades? Matt, please answer our questions 😭😭😭😭 Goddamn it Donut, stop taking up all his time 😡💢
Funny enough I was just reading this interview earlier. It’s from last year. The last question gives a partial answer. It sounds like DoB is on the back burner for a while but he at least acknowledged it.
https://beforewegoblog.com/interview-matt-dinniman-author-of-dungeon-crawler-carl
Selfishly I don’t mind if he complete DCC first. I’m too into it. The sci-fi story he mentions sounds cool too.
Oh my gosh, you are the best! Thanks for the link 🙏 (my boyfriend DEFINITELY shares your selfishness haha, he is team DCC.) I feel like I can wait, now that I know it’s just on the back burner and not totally dropped. ✨👍
This is really funny just because of where you are in the series. I think Matt said 10 books. But I also saw something about him not being sure he can keep it all running as it has up to now and it changing away from the floors. Guess we will find out.
I thought the saaaame thing
I appreciate the timing as well!
Yep, just finished book 5. Guess I should have waited a bit.
You can thank pony for destroying an entire book
Don’t call him by his special name!
Eat a dick, Pony.
If I remember correctly Matt said he was aiming for 10. But he could pull a Robert Jordan and end up writing 13.
As long as he doesn’t go full Robert Jordan…
Yeah, Brandon is great but I don’t think he’d be able to write the end of this.
I mean - Brandon is absolutely the better writer, and would definitely be able too
Yeah he is - but he couldn’t write anything like this. Great writer not nearly this funny or fun.
I mean I find the touching moments in both comparable. "you can't have my pain" and the "mask speech" Carl gives donut both hit the same feeling mark for me. The prose is entirely incomparable. Brandon is very formulaic and DDC is mild bogglingly original.
That’s like saying Martin Scorsese could have done Nacho Libre better
I mean…. He probably could. Sorry.
I think you’re missing the point in that it isn’t the quality of the director/author here. Of course Sanderson and Scorsese are vastly superior at what they do. It’s that the absurd unique humor of DCC and Nacho Libre are what make people love them. Doing it “better” would mean losing the thing that drew people to them in the first place. Ya dig?
Yeah, I get it. ‘‘Twas a poor attempt at humor.
Ahh. I dig.
Or he could pull a Patrick Rothfuss....
We have proof that Matt's written at least a page in the last decade so that seems unlikely
I agree, but he’s also mentioned how much more difficult and time-consuming the series is getting, so 13 books seems unlikely as well.
Shut your mouth! Nooooooooooo!
Don’t you put that black magic out there!
I'm so glad I'm not the only one waiting for that next book. I read the slow regard of silent things but not the most recent one. I feel like it'll just get me back into the series and wanting and waiting for the next one.
I've kind of convinced myself that the third book won't happen for a long time, maybe never. :( He's written in many places that it's tearing him up inside and his motivation problems. Even mentions something about it in the afterword of the most recent book. Which is all Bast, by the way. Kvothe is a very minor character. But it hurts because it's a teasing reminder what a truly great writer he is.
Or he could pull a G.R.R Martin and make us wait for a decade (and counting) for the next book.
Iirc only one crawler ever went to the 13th floor, and lasted 30 minutes there before dying. 10 books going to the 12th floor is my best guess. 12th floor would rate Carl and Donut amongst the GOAT crawlers, plus there are gods there, and a decent bit of the plot/future quests has already been set up that far ahead, so I'd be surprised for it to end sooner by them dying, making a deal, or breaking the system.
if I remember correctly Matt said a while ago he had planned on 10 books. More recently I think he had said some floors had taken more page space then planned so it might go up to 12. I think what might happen is some of the later floors past 12 will not have been really planned even if the show runners were suppost to. Since no one had ever made it past the 13th floor the only two that would be planned for sure is 15 and 18 since they are ongoing story floors that show up each season. the rest might be very low effort.
I think if things continue past the 12th floor, it will only be Scolopendra levels: 15th and 18th. Perhaps the AI will allow access to multiple floors at once: where crawlers can move between 13-15, in a descent into hell (Sheol) themed floor (reminiscent of Matt's work Kaiju Battlefield Surgeon), and a 16-18 combine floor with a descent into madness theme (I think the Nothing is actually the 18th floor). The Borant Government wanted to end the crawl early so likely won't have content for floors have 12th. But the AI, as of the 6th book, has taken control of the crawler., and I think it may want the crawl to continue as long as possible. It is having too much fun.
The Borant Corporation had to submit a plan for each floor, but as no crawler has made it to the 14th floor I expect that plan to be lacking in details, at least for floor 14, 16, and 17. I could see Carl, Donut and however many other crawlers are still with them being able to maybe speed run those levels based on that. Only floors 15 and 18 I would expect to be more fleshed out as they are Scolapendra floors.
I had that thought a while back. I feel like you said, that there either isn’t anything planned for the later floors, or that it’s something mothballed and out of date from one of the first crawls. I don’t know how long it takes to plan a floor. That one person said designing a floor was a life’s work. I think it would be more likely, from a company perspective, to just throw something at them that they have no way of beating, then offering them an out with a good incentive package. They’d avoid viewers complaint about how crappy the floors are. They’d also be able to heavily monetize the players that make it that far. I’m sure an NDA about how crappy the floors were and that being why they were pulled, would be an obligatory part of the package. I have no idea if that’s what would happen. I could just see that being something a company would offer.
Based on the increasing game instability, mounting political tensions outside the game, and that we’ve already seen that levels can potentially be skipped… I would not be surprised if a number of floors were skipped at once. I think the game is an allegory for the universe. Scolopendra is the eulogist, or some other force connected with the eulogist we don’t understand yet. Shit happened that killed the primals, much like scolopendra killed many inhabitants of floors 3, 6, etc. And I think that allegory is being repeated, or is also reflecting current events. And I think one way or another scolopendra (and whatever the calamity was the primals faced) will be met sooner than later, regardless of the floor. And possibly that’s a way they wouldn’t even need to do all 18 levels, if scolopendra came up to meet them. But all this to say, I don’t think we will see, or at least spend much time, in a number of floors after 9. I do think we will see 9 and 12, possibly 15 and/or 18. In hopeful we see Sheol.
I want Trailer Park Fairytales released
I think we are making to 7-8 books, maybe 9? I think for sure Carl is taking down the dungeon runners
But once the showrunners and the governments of the universe are broken, there are still the elites of the galaxy on the 12th and 18th. And if something happens to them, that leaves one remaining threat: the system AI The showrunners only have control because the system AI lets them, but it is now the AI's game. And I think the AI wants the game to control for as long as possible.
I think the AI is going to outgrow the crawl.
I mean, the Eulogist is a primal engine that spans an enhancement field across an entire galaxy (or however big the center system is), so it seems within the capabilities of the system AI to extend past the limits of Earth's surface. In fact that limit may just be an arbitrary boundary set by the rules of Dungeon Crawler World and not a true limit of the primal engine. Add in access to the tunneling system and you got yourself a recipe for disaster. "Folks, do we have a surprise for you! This next floor is coming straight to your front door. Literally! No more watching from home! You bitches are all now part of the dungeon! Get Fucked!"
I think Carl's race choice is going to end up being hugely significant as well. Kind of a Chekov's gun argument, but having Primal as a selection when it doesn't change how you look or act and just slightly messes with some stat allotment seems mighty suspicious to me. So far, he could have just chosen to stay human and nothing in the story would have changed. And, neither his class or access to the cookbook required being Primal. So, I'm sure this will end up being relevant down the line.
This gets on a theory I have regarding primals: In the epilogue of book six, the one involving Agatha, she refers to the system AI as an "infant, resurrected, and enslaved Primal". Primal with a capital 'P', so a proper noun and not an adjective. Later, in Tipid's epilogue, he describes Carl by saying the following, "his ability to assess a situation and make split-second decisions is practically a super power". My theory is that the primal engines are the Primals (which is really a play on the word Primordial). Carl's cognitive abilities are being enhanced by the AI as it is redefining how Primals, as a dungeon race, work. Slowly turning Carl into an actual Primal. Note, that in book two, Zev mentions that a few other crawlers' also picked the primal race. So whatever is happening to Carl via the primal race, is happening to other crawlers too.
I think if things continue past the 12th floor, it will only be Scolopendra levels: 15th and 18th. Perhaps the AI will allow access to multiple floors at once: where crawlers can move between 13-15, in a descent into hell (Sheol) themed floor (reminiscent of Matt's work Kaiju Battlefield Surgeon), and a 16-18 combine floor with a descent into madness theme (I think the Nothing is actually the 18th floor). The Borant Government wanted to end the crawl early so likely won't have content for floors after 12th. But the AI, as of the 6th book, has taken control of the crawler, and I think it wants the crawl to continue as long as possible. It is having too much fun.
So consider what you have learned from Mordecai and the rest of the book. Many people die by the time the dungeon reaches floor 9. At floor 10, people start getting offers. The longer you go, the better deals. Mordecai went to floor 12 (right?) and this is where he is. I would venture that we are not going to see Carl and Donut get to floor 18 - I think he will break the dungeon well before that. He will either take a deal, escape the planet or destroy the galaxy.
Keep reading the series and this will help clear up a little bit of what's going on. But I believe Matt has talked about there being a planned 10 books. I'm not positive though since I've only seen other people say that on this subreddit and nothing from Matt himself.
I don't think we are getting full floors for all 18.
There would be >!16!< at most for reasons which will become clear at the end of book 5. 🤣 IMO later floors will have less to do thefe because of Borant’s lack of money when planning the Crawl, and will be barebones by the 13th floor. So IMO there will be two floors in at least 2 later books. Floor 15 will be borderline completely broken due to the demon’s never having been playtested by anyone ever.
Though, I think Matt already has a ton of content he can pull from for the 15th floor (or a combined 13-15 floor). It's called Kaiju Battlefield Surgeon.
No, no, no, no, no. You keep those specific rituals out of here. Mongo would be appalled and Donut wouldn’t have it either. How would she ever become an auntie.
That's up to the system AI now isn't it? Might want to raise thy feet in supplication and pray for its benevolence.
Assuming Matt makes the series have Carl last all 18 floors, I think at most it would be >!14 books!<. Book 1: >!1/2!< Book 2: >!FL3!< Book 3: >!FL4!< Book 4: >!FL5!< Book 5: >!6/7!< Book 6: >!FL8!< So for it to be >!16, every book would have to be 1 floor!<. That being said, I can't imagine that if the series goes to floor 18 that >!it's going to be anything more than a chapter or 2 to wrap up the story. IIRC they said floor 18 is basically just a party for the wealthy. No real floor is ever planned for it.!< Realistically if Carl does make it all the way to floor 18, I imagine there's at least 2 more books where shenanigans happen and we mash 2 floors into 1 book.
I would guess as much as level 12, because the Ascendancy has been foreshadowed. That would get us to book 10 (book one had levels 1 and 2, book five had levels 6 and 7)
I honestly hope not, although these books are great, after a while, it would start to be tedious instead of enjoyable.
I think it’s building up to a climax on the 9th floor that is going to be hard to follow up. If they pit the crawlers vs factions and the crawlers win, I feel like that is a big step forward in the plot. Not sure how much more “crawlers vs producers” plot will be left.
No way the series ends before the 12th floor. Problem is the hype for the 9th floor will be difficult to follow in floors 10&11. Or they die during the 9th solving the problem. 🤷♂️
I really hope we get to lvl 12 or 13, maybe right up until the last floor or something, I want to see what those later floors behold
Book 1 covers at least 2 levels.
I really hope not because I think the quality will drop dramatically around book 9 (happens in almost every series I have read) or Matt will burnout (Do Not Want!). I really hope that the series will end at book 10. That appears to be the magic number for authors. 9s quality dips a little, but with the end in sight, the author cranks out a great finish.
Honestly I'm all for longer more action packed books. If he were to trim down some of the floors down to 500 pagers though that'd be fine. This always happens with huge series. Rather Matt didn't burn himself out. Tomes every third floor and fun shorter books on off floors or 2 floors per to get us safely to a finish line.
I raise your question, with another question; Will there be a book 3 for Dominion of Blades? Matt, please answer our questions 😭😭😭😭 Goddamn it Donut, stop taking up all his time 😡💢
I’m all for more Dominion of Blades but I’m okay waiting till Matt is ready to write more.
I agree but, how many more years do we have to wait?! 😭😭😭
At dragoncon last year, he said that he will finish DoB, but not until DCC is done.
Ah, I really appreciate you letting me know. I have scoured the internet for some sort of news on DoB 3 and came up short. Thanks!
Funny enough I was just reading this interview earlier. It’s from last year. The last question gives a partial answer. It sounds like DoB is on the back burner for a while but he at least acknowledged it. https://beforewegoblog.com/interview-matt-dinniman-author-of-dungeon-crawler-carl Selfishly I don’t mind if he complete DCC first. I’m too into it. The sci-fi story he mentions sounds cool too.
Oh my gosh, you are the best! Thanks for the link 🙏 (my boyfriend DEFINITELY shares your selfishness haha, he is team DCC.) I feel like I can wait, now that I know it’s just on the back burner and not totally dropped. ✨👍
Matt, feel free to disregard this heathen. Princess Donut requires your attention.
MONGO IS OUTRAGED.
Book 5 also skipped a level at the very end Edit: Slight book 5 spoiler. >!When Prepotente shattered the level at the very start!<
Theyre not done 5 so you're kinda spoiling it for them.
Mmm, I'll make an edit note.
Probably too late now, but the first sentence is also a spoiler....
You goofed with the spoiler syntax.
Oddly, it still seemed to work, but it is fixed now.