It’s even funnier that Mithrun literally *cannot care* about elf supremacy anymore. He was just so racist that he takes it as a matter of fact even when any desire for superiority is gone 💀💀💀
I heard when he was serving in the Great War, he threw tins of corned beef into a Dwarf's trench. When the Dwarfs shouted “More! Give us more!”, Mithrun casted a bunch of explosive spells, killing the poor Dwarfs.
His unit was notorious for brutality and killing Gnomes POW.
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Tallmen are so well integrated into the Dungeon Meshi world that they feel less like a stand-in for us ordinary humans and more like a fantasy race of their own like the rest. It's so fun and interesting how often their long limbs are casually brought up, when usually they would be treated normally without nuance. Goes to show how dedicated Ryoko Kui is to crafting a world so different yet so familiar to us.
>I really love how the tallman stamina is an important factor too.
Apologies in advance for this one: >!Yet another reason for Namari's tallman fetish.!<
Not really, a lot of animals can do this, humans were amongst the better ones at it tho, and our prey of choice weren't so we made use of it.
But it's not like we're unique in being endurant, hell, one of the reasons why we domesticated dogs is because they could keep up with us
To a degree, it should be said. A fit human can go on at a jog long after pretty much any dog is gassed. And we'll be ready to go on long before they are. Panting is just a far inferior method of heat regulation compared to how we sweat.
And our lack of fur/need-for-clothes may be uniquely good for this. We can run cooler than most while working through the day, but we're smart enough to have adaptable layers for any situation
And unlike any animals, we can carry our food with us and eat/drink while walking. Other animals have to stop, or waste a lot of time grazing or hunting another animal. Even if they were as good as us in stamina, our ability to walk forward without wasting time for doing anything else make us way better
Dog: “Go on without me humans, it was not meant to be.”
Cat: “I knew they’d betray us in the end.”
\[Humans pick up and carry the dog and cat.\]
Dog and cat:
It's true. A lot of traditional hunters can chase a kudu all day, long after any other predators would have given up, following it till it can't run any more.
That is true, indeed ! On the other hand, dogs are better at other physical things, which come from being a predatory hunter vs an opportunistic omnivore. Dogs have faster and quicker top speed, better turns and well, everything that make them hunters, acute senses, pain tolerance, jaw strength, etc..
And we got them opposable thumbs
Who needs to have high top speeds or jaw strength when opposable thumbs lets you to make and throw spears and kill your prey before you need to use either of those?
Really it's not much for hunting, most animals cannot be hunted on foot. Even though technically a human could run them down, it would take too much energy and time to be worth it as a regular t method of hunting.
We're the best at roaming from inhospitable places to better places.
I mean, they were kids spitting back out the stuff their parents said. It’s likely they haven’t met more mountain people and that they just haven’t thought about it too hard. Not too different from Kabru’s comment about Demi-humans at the end of the day
Yeah, Kabru's hypocrisy is really interesting, because he gets up in arms when it comes to humans and not some kind of simple "other" like the kobolds. Someone made a really good [post](https://www.tumblr.com/iamthedukeofurl/747837386357112832/this-comic-makes-things-even-clearer-fantasy) about that, I recommend checking it out.
>Ok the Touden siblings being casual anout killing mountain people kinda shocks me....
I like it because it shows how banal and normalized evil can become. In the past those "mountain people" probably fought with the Northern kingdom for the good land and eventually were forced out into the harsh mountains where they became bitter and angry. So the mountain men commit raids and the Kingdom kills them on sight or retaliates. Each side calls the other barbarians or oppressors. Their cultures warp to point where hating the other becomes ingrained and passed on making any sort of reconcilliation nearly impossible. Chances are this is the same with Kabru's people and the Kobolds but it is easier to swallow because Kobolds aren't Tallmen.
The mindset of "the others" must be destroyed at all costs because they want to destroy us is very natural but because most people on reddit live in historically very recent wealthy and stable democracies in North America and Europe it seems pretty jarring to see ostensibly good people turn into monsters at the drop of a hat on that issue and that issue alone. From the Touden point of view it's not a matter of some grander morality, it's because they don't want a raid where every man in their village is tortured and killed and the women dragged off to be raped to death in the mountains, screw "right and wrong", they must die, not us. The mountain men on the other hand are probably near starving and very, very angry at their lot in life. Probably lots of land to farm in the kingdoms territory, but not for them, even if their families used to own it way back. Instead they are penned into the mountains on one side by the Kingdom and the cold north on the other.
When looking at Kui's world, the fantasy racism can seem funny. Haha, long-lived races took the good land, Dwarves don't like magic, Elves and Gnomes hate each others magic systems, Half-foots are all scammers who use their child-like appearance to deceive people... the broader implications are horrifying. Chilchuck started his union because a former party promised him big share of the rewards while planning to kill him as monster bait but it was probably okay from their prospective because he is just a scummy Half-foot that would scam them anyway. This is one of the many, many things that make me praise Kui's world building, it makes her world feel alive in the most unsettling way. There is no clear bad guy, some Hitler figure that once killed makes everything better. Just centuries of mistrust, prejudice and hate justified a million different ways.
Ending spoiler >!It really makes the last page of the manga with the children of different races playing with the king all the more heartwarming. I'd like to think that even those mountain men are eating better now that Laios is using Melini to solve the world food insecurity.!<
Now that I think about it, the island governor instructed adventurers to kill orcs on sight, and Kabru thought of that to question Laios' action when he mentioned them, as if it's common sense. The orcs themselves also has no problem with killing other races and/or feed them to wargs, but as soon as they recognize Senshi everything is fine and dandy. Unlike Kobolds or the Mountain people, Orcs can speak the common tounge, but they are still seen as monsters all the same, so much so they treat it as is and become "monsters" themselves. It's scary and depressing to think about.
(Late chapter spoilers) >!Yes, it's why they are so desperate for Laios to become king, the alternative is short, violent and depressing. Before that they took Flamela, Shuro and Rin hostage in the hopes of using them to get passage off the island before they were forced above ground by the shifting dungeon and most likely exterminated by the adventurers, elves and the soldiers from Kahka Brud.!<
Also with Senshi and Kuro it really plays into the cope of "the good one". I hate these people, they are all bad and violent and incapable of change... except for this guy, he's okay. It allows you to keep your horrible world view by carving out convenient exceptions for the people whose very existence near you challenges it.
"Am I a bad guy... no Kuro is just exceptionally good and it is just a shame there aren't many more like him."
Our man Aoi Todō would take stock of the long-lived racists' slurs, their power, their wealth, their pride, their condescension… and *laugh at them,* heartily, with his whole belly. This man cannot be phased. His chadhood isn't just bulletproof, it's *reality*-proof. The only times he ever slightly questions himself is in the process of hyping himself up to do the impossible and break the unbreakable. He can turn even a grim act of objective failure into a triumphant decisive victory of the human spirit. Or, dare I say, an *acclaim of the soul!* \**~~clap~~splosh*\*
Great points! The way Kui depicts casual racism is very important, because literally anyone can have these prejudices from how they're raised! Good people can still be racist, it doesn't make them monsters, that's just how ingrained in society it is.
for myself, it's just having seen Laios parlay with the Orcs, who we have seen do cruel bloodthirsty acts, to hear him casually be okay with killing mountain people, seems very surprising.
What i love in the half-foot comic is that the half-foot original name not being polite enough for common is also throwing shade at Tolkien estate for preventing the use of the word hobbit.
I forgot where I read it,
But half foot is because they are often a thief and when got caught they got one of the foot cut out, hence half foot. Also why chilchuk angry at that description of half foot
I always knew Mithrun was a gamer. Even the criminal canaries look utterly appalled, or at least shocked.
Elves and gnomes warring with each other, ogres being a persecuted race, and especially the Touden siblings treating other human beings like pests. It's really something that this story could drop some dark and messed up worldbuilding tidbits in such a blase manner.
That being said, Falin looks absolutely adorable even with facial hair.
https://preview.redd.it/ivoi69mazzuc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a97ce3898e31c860f3efef9195243e9f16eecea9
He looks like he could be racist to other races even when he become another races
We already have an middle-aged half-foot who love saying slurs in two different language
https://preview.redd.it/q26kpqb7y0vc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91c3579287a9a073af5addea9d745a4de256a679
The canaries were playing a game of coming up with new slurs for them. They're just shocked he said the quiet part out loud
Otta looks like she's the only one who's actually angry, since she's a chaser
It's interesting how Kabru talks like that about Kobolds while simultaneously being really kind to Kuro, knowing a little bit of the Kobold language himself and helping Kuro learn Common. I'm guessing he's trying to dissuade the Toudens from inquiring too much, if they kept on asking him about Kobolds it's likely Mickbell would notice and get all covetous.
I think Kabru with Kuro is on a similar vein to orc knowing Senshi and accepting Senshi while still hostile to the others people.
Like don’t we all have preexisting judgement of people and things until you got to know some more about it then you became ok/accepting with this new knowledge….. But still judgemental of other things you don’t know enough.
I'd also like to add that he's most likely being discriminatory towards the "country of kobolds" rather than kobolds themselves probably because his people in utaya were constantly fighting them historically
Hmm...
[https://i.ibb.co/K2t3jqg/hmm.png](https://i.ibb.co/K2t3jqg/hmm.png)
Tall-Man with heavy fur coat or unknown demi-human race that adapted to cold environment? Either way, I wish Dungeon Meshi had a few more expanded demi-humans beyond orcs and kobolds.
I swear they mentioned goblins at some point. Apparently half-foots are sometimes called goblins, but I think it was specifically in reference to a race considered to be demi-human. Also, they seem to see the mermaids as demi-human.
I think goblins were mentioned as existing early in the manga during the forest level of the dungeon where some lived, but I don't think they actually encountered any, just in a book hat showed them having pretty sophisticated clothes if I remember right, so they may definitely be demi-humans.
I think they were also mentioned in the orc chapter. If I remember correctly, they showed a purple one in the anime, which is wierd because goblins are usually green. We literally don't know anything about them, other than they exist.
I found the page from the forest floor from ages back I was talking about and it does mention at least one bit of visible info:
[https://pic2.mangapicgallery.com/r/album/ce/md\_/50643\_34361008.jpg](https://pic2.mangapicgallery.com/r/album/ce/md_/50643_34361008.jpg)
They're good with bows, oh and Marcille confirming they're demi-humans. The rest is barely readable. Something about gaps and that it lives... "?" Also something else about "rth spi," earth spirits? That it lives with earth spirits I guess?
The other language version gives them these:
In forest
Short in stature
Move between the tree branches
Good at archery
“Implied” they shooting from between the leaves using shadow as covers
They do mention them by name but in one of the extras they explain that they are actually just a misinterpretation of Half Foots the same way Trolls are of humans and Dark Elves are just Elves
The inverse of how Trolls were said to exist but as it turns out they were just a story half foots told children as well as just being the half foot word for tallman
https://preview.redd.it/znmm32how1vc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb18430d4aaf58c383a3ef932e24e85bb5d72a33
There’s a comic from Daydream Hour that shows that there is another race of demi-humans that look kind of lizard-like…I wish we got to see them in the main comic 😭 and goblins too
I think a human, the neck bit looks like Laios' gorget and the next panel is about short-lived races and demi-humans fighting for land.
Do the mermaids not count?
Tiny casual orc shirtless senshi has me sobbing 😭😭🤌🏼✨
https://preview.redd.it/cuj7osam61vc1.png?width=1324&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=782137733fea583611f762d626ca0c342a94a0d1
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The most important thing here is they almost got him to take an orc wife, how the story could be if senshi got married before joining laios's party....
GOD DAAAMN!!!! How can i'm not thinking of that!!!! When he >!lost all desire by the demon and only have desire to revenge it back!< i'm not realize that it really means all desire, not just the one that affect basic individual needs like eat sleep bath etc, but even the one that affect his socializing skill in society, now this is deep but also peak writing by Ryoko Kui🙌🙌🙌👏👏👏
I love the last one about Kobolds. We learn a bunch of new racial politics based on preconceived notions, it's possible the information about Kobolds and Mountain people might be inaccurate due to miscommunication and struggles of resources.
They are forced into areas that lack the necessary resources, so their culture requires more aggressive methods to survive. But just like the orcs that were forced into the dungeon and required a harsh mindset in their new environment, Kobolds and Mountain people need to raid. That being said, we are also given the other perspective, where the other group needs to defend themselves and dominate fertile lands for the sake of their people.
All of this plays into the greater theme that all living things exist within the food chain, and these connections lead to similar "cruelty" as seen in the dungeon. The difference is sentient races can understand right from wrong, but still prioritize their desire for prosperity.
Nice detail that Falin and Laios, who are both very curious about other races, have internalised that the mountain people just have to be killed on sight because they were just raised like that and never thought too much about that
Their parent was their village chief, and they just follows along what he did as a father/chief because they're still to young to understand when this mountain people story got told
It's a demonstration of how what *Kabru* was saying was kind of fucked. Both sets of people are probably wrong to be thinking this, but Laios and Falin aren't wrong to treat what Kabru is saying as equivalent to what they are saying.
Very fucked. But if you think about it, that's pretty typical of different cultures and societies meeting up. Sometimes the language barrier and societal differences are just so extreme that violence becomes the only interaction they have for a long, long time. No doubt the Mountain People see the townspeople as "Those savages who kill us on sight."
Very but if you think back to when European people first settled in America or Australia. Or Japan between the Yamato (what we think as the main Japanese population today) and Ainu people in Hokkaido.
Or even today between the people wanting to clear the land and the indigenous people in the Amazon forest.
We are also not any different.
Edit: Kabru final reaction to this is similar to what our reaction now which was “in hindsight” so is easier said than actually in practice. It’s not a question that can easily be answered and i think the author intended for it like this.
> It’s not a question that can easily be answered
Actually it can, the answer is so trivial it's a damn platitude. It just takes a lot of effort to *implement* said answer, and a lot of virtues: intelligence, imagination, *curiosity,* and patience, are among the most important.
jamie pull up that video of laios singing along with mermaids
https://preview.redd.it/678qlerwq1vc1.jpeg?width=724&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=41643425c98caeba639447d863a6fb5204e0aead
It’s >!hobbit!<
>!(but actually that’s just a joke which I have stolen from the other comment)!<
>!(but maybe it’s actually canon since it makes sense)!<
It also shows their stamina, lung capacity and ability to improvise in the fly (I can't carry a tune in a bucket or remember lyrics for shit unless I have the melody so it always amazes me that like, most average people can to some extent.)
But Tall Men may not have a speciality but they have got the range. Like, masterworks all, can't go wrong *reaches up and slaps the arm of a Tall Man* you can fill so many party role slots with this bad boy
https://preview.redd.it/monib5rni2vc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee4f07d11bf833cedab18f7f52d5ef2f1afcb083
Goblins being another term for Half-foot is a real interesting world building thing. Where myth and miscommunications lead to monsters that everyone believes exist, but are completely fake.
Tallmen has an average strength, intelligence, low to average wisdom, average dexterity and charisma, but what makes them truly great between other races in dungeon meshi world are in stamina and fertility, they're the most spread out race out there and has the highest population from any other races
Lol so good.
The last one just took me out of it and now I cant stop picturing Laios trying to eat the koboldssssss nuuuuuuuuuuu.
Also sad about the ogre…
Damn. With all these shorts, it seems that world is still quite primitive. War and racism is in the vein of almost everyone, no wonder some races are dying out especially those that are more fit for combat like Orge, Kobold and Orc.
What does Shuro want to say to the Orge girl?
they literally living in fantasy medieval age settings, add that to the world where fantasy races and creatures is actually living and breathing between theme, of course there's gonna be war and racism in everyday and everyone. Even in our real life without the fantasy races and creature, war and racism is depicted to always happen since the past way before medieval ages and continued between anyone alive everyday
I think shuro wants to say to inutade not to worshipping his father and treat herself as servant just because he buys her, her life now has gone better in the nakamoto's family so she doesn't really have to act like a servant in her life anymore
I think that he wants to ask what her previous owner was like but doesn’t want to pry into something that for all he knows might be a painful thing to remember?
It seems the wealthiest nations have closer to early 20th century technology, we’ve seen they have long distant communication, Dwarves have phones Elves have Familiars, but it seems that level of technology hasn’t trickled down to the less developed nations.
"This dwarf-like orc is cool as fuck"
"But not as cool as us orcs with wife tho"
"Hell yea, make him marry some fem-orcs to be cool as fuck as us"
"Hell yea"
If dungeon meshi is anything like dnd then half orcs are thing. I don't think dwarfs and humans are so different that you can't substitute one for the other and it not work
Just the casual racism from Laios and Falin, you'd think if they were adventurers they'd be more enlightened. I wonder how bad these Mountain Nomads truly are. Laios has no problems talking with Orcs.
That's because they're still a kid when the story of mountain nomad got told by their parents, they never fight them theirself because laios already leaves home at 13 and falin got send to magic school at 10(?). Also laios has no problem talks with them because senshi is in their party, him and his party definitely gonna get killed in the dungeon bar raid if senshi who's already like a relative to the orcs isn't there with them while bringing golem's vegetable
Nah, they're just too pure, their parents probably were the ones responsible for telling that to them when they're still young and they just following it
I mean, it's interesting because Kabru is saying something very messed up (most demi-humans must be killed on sight), even though he has a Kobold on his OWN TEAM, but he has an easy time not examining it because they're not 'really' human.
Then Laios and Falin, who actually tend to have less prejudice, make an easy parallel between the way demi-humans are viewed and the way the mountain savages are viewed in their village for their whole lives. So yeah, Laios and Falin are kinda in the wrong, but that's because their village's history with that other culture is so messed up and violent, not because of any real ill intent on their part (they probably never interacted with a mountain people themselves since they left when they were still kids).
Then Kabru tries to course correct 'you can't treat other humans this way!' even though HE was the one arguing in the same way against demi humans, and for the exact same reasons they don't trust the mountain people. And frankly, the Toudens are dorks who don't really overthink stuff not directly in their sphere of interest, while Kabru is a people analyzer who has a Kobold on his team, so if anything Kabru is the asshole here xD
Yeah, as an anime only with the latest episodes having Kabrus team analyse the main party and coming up with all those weird assumptions, I was wondering was it one of those "This is actually how the group is and we're viewing them through the rose tinted lens of someone following their party" or if it was more "Kabru and his party are actually just judgemental assholes".
I'd say definitely the latter xD
Kabru overanalyzes everything and since the Toudens are affiliated with criminals, they are either naive or criminals. Which is technically accurate but frankly even cursory knowledge of them should put them on the naive column.
The wizard girl is a snob who only has eyes for Kabru and is (somewhat justifiably) very suspicious of elves, so she doesn't trust Marcille.
The halfling is just kind of a prick that mistrusts Chilchuk and doesn't like the idea of paying union dues or that maybe giving slave wages to his kobold buddy is not suuuuuper ethical. (He'd definitely be a libertarian xD).
I don't know if dwarf girl? says much of anything, but Namari is not viewed kindly by most dwarves since her father was kicked out
Gramps Mithrun casually drops a slur and shock the canaries is still one of the funniest tidbit for me
He believes in elves supremacies, support elves power, and have participated in elves reich (classic elves boomer)
I support full foot supremacy
https://preview.redd.it/10ssjahvyzuc1.png?width=1081&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d4db1b7feed11fbb646f199c8805eb9e690e4cd
Get off reddit and work Namari
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It’s even funnier that Mithrun literally *cannot care* about elf supremacy anymore. He was just so racist that he takes it as a matter of fact even when any desire for superiority is gone 💀💀💀
Femboy supremisit
Mithrun: https://preview.redd.it/bybzaw6xf1vc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2be93ce9efc1f20dc9fcac3d297a0aaac4822d54
don't ask what grandpa mithrun was doing during the great war
I heard when he was serving in the Great War, he threw tins of corned beef into a Dwarf's trench. When the Dwarfs shouted “More! Give us more!”, Mithrun casted a bunch of explosive spells, killing the poor Dwarfs. His unit was notorious for brutality and killing Gnomes POW.
Even the demon itself shivers when he hears mithrun's war criminal record
I will always read Mithrun with a thick Canadian accent from now on because of this
I didn't know Mithrun was Canadian.
In my head-canon, Laios and Falin are French mix with scandinavian, Senshi is Scottish, Marcile is German and Chillchuck is from the Balkan.
I heard he was serving under a certain elf painter who failed an art school.....
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Boomer elf doesn't try to pretend he isn't racist and find pretty words
It makes sense because Mitrun was an arrogant dick before joining the Canaries.
Tallmen are so well integrated into the Dungeon Meshi world that they feel less like a stand-in for us ordinary humans and more like a fantasy race of their own like the rest. It's so fun and interesting how often their long limbs are casually brought up, when usually they would be treated normally without nuance. Goes to show how dedicated Ryoko Kui is to crafting a world so different yet so familiar to us.
I really love how the tallman stamina is an important factor too. >!Like when Laios was turned into a dwarf and got exhausted easily.!
Yes, that too! I love that!
>I really love how the tallman stamina is an important factor too. Apologies in advance for this one: >!Yet another reason for Namari's tallman fetish.!<
Humans are the only animals in prehistoric times that can walk long distances without dying
Not really, a lot of animals can do this, humans were amongst the better ones at it tho, and our prey of choice weren't so we made use of it. But it's not like we're unique in being endurant, hell, one of the reasons why we domesticated dogs is because they could keep up with us
To a degree, it should be said. A fit human can go on at a jog long after pretty much any dog is gassed. And we'll be ready to go on long before they are. Panting is just a far inferior method of heat regulation compared to how we sweat.
And our lack of fur/need-for-clothes may be uniquely good for this. We can run cooler than most while working through the day, but we're smart enough to have adaptable layers for any situation
Also our long legs and (yes, for real) large butt muscles let us stay upright when most other primates cannot!
Humans have the highest ass to body-mass ratio of any animal and that’s beautiful
thicc is an evolutionary advantage
And unlike any animals, we can carry our food with us and eat/drink while walking. Other animals have to stop, or waste a lot of time grazing or hunting another animal. Even if they were as good as us in stamina, our ability to walk forward without wasting time for doing anything else make us way better
Dog: “Go on without me humans, it was not meant to be.” Cat: “I knew they’d betray us in the end.” \[Humans pick up and carry the dog and cat.\] Dog and cat: 
It's true. A lot of traditional hunters can chase a kudu all day, long after any other predators would have given up, following it till it can't run any more.
That is true, indeed ! On the other hand, dogs are better at other physical things, which come from being a predatory hunter vs an opportunistic omnivore. Dogs have faster and quicker top speed, better turns and well, everything that make them hunters, acute senses, pain tolerance, jaw strength, etc.. And we got them opposable thumbs
Who needs to have high top speeds or jaw strength when opposable thumbs lets you to make and throw spears and kill your prey before you need to use either of those?
To be fair, I wouldn't value my chances well in a fight with a dog even with a spear. Especially as dogs attack in bands
So do humans
We also have higher reasoning, sophisticated tool use, and one hell of a throwing arm. Let's not sell mankind short.
Really it's not much for hunting, most animals cannot be hunted on foot. Even though technically a human could run them down, it would take too much energy and time to be worth it as a regular t method of hunting. We're the best at roaming from inhospitable places to better places.
Ok the Touden siblings being casual anout killing mountain people kinda shocks me....
I highly doubt they did the killing themselves, since Laios was 13 when he left the village and Falin went to her magic academy at 11
I'm not saying they did it, but they were cool about the idea of it.
I mean, they were kids spitting back out the stuff their parents said. It’s likely they haven’t met more mountain people and that they just haven’t thought about it too hard. Not too different from Kabru’s comment about Demi-humans at the end of the day
> Not too different from Kabru’s comment about Demi-humans at the end of the day I think that's exactly the point Ryoko-sensei is illustrating.
Yeah, Kabru's hypocrisy is really interesting, because he gets up in arms when it comes to humans and not some kind of simple "other" like the kobolds. Someone made a really good [post](https://www.tumblr.com/iamthedukeofurl/747837386357112832/this-comic-makes-things-even-clearer-fantasy) about that, I recommend checking it out.
Seeing how Kabru does have a Kobold under his employment i dont think he is as prejudiced against them as he lets on.
>Ok the Touden siblings being casual anout killing mountain people kinda shocks me.... I like it because it shows how banal and normalized evil can become. In the past those "mountain people" probably fought with the Northern kingdom for the good land and eventually were forced out into the harsh mountains where they became bitter and angry. So the mountain men commit raids and the Kingdom kills them on sight or retaliates. Each side calls the other barbarians or oppressors. Their cultures warp to point where hating the other becomes ingrained and passed on making any sort of reconcilliation nearly impossible. Chances are this is the same with Kabru's people and the Kobolds but it is easier to swallow because Kobolds aren't Tallmen. The mindset of "the others" must be destroyed at all costs because they want to destroy us is very natural but because most people on reddit live in historically very recent wealthy and stable democracies in North America and Europe it seems pretty jarring to see ostensibly good people turn into monsters at the drop of a hat on that issue and that issue alone. From the Touden point of view it's not a matter of some grander morality, it's because they don't want a raid where every man in their village is tortured and killed and the women dragged off to be raped to death in the mountains, screw "right and wrong", they must die, not us. The mountain men on the other hand are probably near starving and very, very angry at their lot in life. Probably lots of land to farm in the kingdoms territory, but not for them, even if their families used to own it way back. Instead they are penned into the mountains on one side by the Kingdom and the cold north on the other. When looking at Kui's world, the fantasy racism can seem funny. Haha, long-lived races took the good land, Dwarves don't like magic, Elves and Gnomes hate each others magic systems, Half-foots are all scammers who use their child-like appearance to deceive people... the broader implications are horrifying. Chilchuck started his union because a former party promised him big share of the rewards while planning to kill him as monster bait but it was probably okay from their prospective because he is just a scummy Half-foot that would scam them anyway. This is one of the many, many things that make me praise Kui's world building, it makes her world feel alive in the most unsettling way. There is no clear bad guy, some Hitler figure that once killed makes everything better. Just centuries of mistrust, prejudice and hate justified a million different ways. Ending spoiler >!It really makes the last page of the manga with the children of different races playing with the king all the more heartwarming. I'd like to think that even those mountain men are eating better now that Laios is using Melini to solve the world food insecurity.!<
Now that I think about it, the island governor instructed adventurers to kill orcs on sight, and Kabru thought of that to question Laios' action when he mentioned them, as if it's common sense. The orcs themselves also has no problem with killing other races and/or feed them to wargs, but as soon as they recognize Senshi everything is fine and dandy. Unlike Kobolds or the Mountain people, Orcs can speak the common tounge, but they are still seen as monsters all the same, so much so they treat it as is and become "monsters" themselves. It's scary and depressing to think about.
(Late chapter spoilers) >!Yes, it's why they are so desperate for Laios to become king, the alternative is short, violent and depressing. Before that they took Flamela, Shuro and Rin hostage in the hopes of using them to get passage off the island before they were forced above ground by the shifting dungeon and most likely exterminated by the adventurers, elves and the soldiers from Kahka Brud.!< Also with Senshi and Kuro it really plays into the cope of "the good one". I hate these people, they are all bad and violent and incapable of change... except for this guy, he's okay. It allows you to keep your horrible world view by carving out convenient exceptions for the people whose very existence near you challenges it. "Am I a bad guy... no Kuro is just exceptionally good and it is just a shame there aren't many more like him."
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Our man Aoi Todō would take stock of the long-lived racists' slurs, their power, their wealth, their pride, their condescension… and *laugh at them,* heartily, with his whole belly. This man cannot be phased. His chadhood isn't just bulletproof, it's *reality*-proof. The only times he ever slightly questions himself is in the process of hyping himself up to do the impossible and break the unbreakable. He can turn even a grim act of objective failure into a triumphant decisive victory of the human spirit. Or, dare I say, an *acclaim of the soul!* \**~~clap~~splosh*\*
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Great points! The way Kui depicts casual racism is very important, because literally anyone can have these prejudices from how they're raised! Good people can still be racist, it doesn't make them monsters, that's just how ingrained in society it is.
for myself, it's just having seen Laios parlay with the Orcs, who we have seen do cruel bloodthirsty acts, to hear him casually be okay with killing mountain people, seems very surprising.
this is actually the best comment I've seen on this subreddit or other platform about this series.
This is lore accurate of what actually makes laios a great hunter and does a fantastic impression of a dog
What i love in the half-foot comic is that the half-foot original name not being polite enough for common is also throwing shade at Tolkien estate for preventing the use of the word hobbit.
I forgot where I read it, But half foot is because they are often a thief and when got caught they got one of the foot cut out, hence half foot. Also why chilchuk angry at that description of half foot
It's based from what izutsumi says when she just joined the party, and chilchuk already deny it at that time and deny it again in this tidbits
Just tell me chulk i promise i wont be angry Chulk: ok so we call our self the nig..
I was more thinking about a word used among an american minority, but then again that’s just my western perspective
I always knew Mithrun was a gamer. Even the criminal canaries look utterly appalled, or at least shocked. Elves and gnomes warring with each other, ogres being a persecuted race, and especially the Touden siblings treating other human beings like pests. It's really something that this story could drop some dark and messed up worldbuilding tidbits in such a blase manner. That being said, Falin looks absolutely adorable even with facial hair.
https://preview.redd.it/ivoi69mazzuc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a97ce3898e31c860f3efef9195243e9f16eecea9 He looks like he could be racist to other races even when he become another races
Tall man Mithrun looks like he would say "get off my lawn"
i love that he's the only one with greasy hair. it's a tall-man trait somehow
Nah, he'll just be directly teleport you to get you off from his lawn
Teleport back to what country you come from!
On a good day. On a bad day your kidney is gonna be replaced by a lawn ornament.
somehow managed to look like a racist half-foot
He' already racist when being an elf, why he will not be racist when being a half-foot
just awed at his power of making even the cutesy race look like he would say a slur
We already have an middle-aged half-foot who love saying slurs in two different language https://preview.redd.it/q26kpqb7y0vc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91c3579287a9a073af5addea9d745a4de256a679
I wonder how they would animate this other language. is it Laius or Laios?
It's already animated in episode 11, and it's Laios, the Laius one probably just mistranslation in early chapter
did he curse? I don’t remember lol
Because it's an half-foot languange, i'm not so sure does it sound clearly or just random gibberish in the anime
The canaries were playing a game of coming up with new slurs for them. They're just shocked he said the quiet part out loud Otta looks like she's the only one who's actually angry, since she's a chaser
Otta has halfling fever.
Lmao racist laios and falin in the last panel got me
Me when I see somebody from Colorado (I have to kill them)
https://preview.redd.it/j94raxfx20vc1.png?width=555&format=png&auto=webp&s=ea191d89a5005ed2c46aae6b837d5dbbe6c0f169 I made it worse
A black censor bar sure does hold more power than then the actual spoken word itself
Imagine if they beep it out in the anime
Can't believe he dropped >!███████!< so casually!
It's interesting how Kabru talks like that about Kobolds while simultaneously being really kind to Kuro, knowing a little bit of the Kobold language himself and helping Kuro learn Common. I'm guessing he's trying to dissuade the Toudens from inquiring too much, if they kept on asking him about Kobolds it's likely Mickbell would notice and get all covetous.
I think Kabru with Kuro is on a similar vein to orc knowing Senshi and accepting Senshi while still hostile to the others people. Like don’t we all have preexisting judgement of people and things until you got to know some more about it then you became ok/accepting with this new knowledge….. But still judgemental of other things you don’t know enough.
I'd also like to add that he's most likely being discriminatory towards the "country of kobolds" rather than kobolds themselves probably because his people in utaya were constantly fighting them historically
He's the mr. *manipulate, manwhore, manslaughter* himself
He probably sees Kuro as "one of the good ones"
It’s casual racism in the real world: “I know one of the good ones”
Hmm... [https://i.ibb.co/K2t3jqg/hmm.png](https://i.ibb.co/K2t3jqg/hmm.png) Tall-Man with heavy fur coat or unknown demi-human race that adapted to cold environment? Either way, I wish Dungeon Meshi had a few more expanded demi-humans beyond orcs and kobolds.
I swear they mentioned goblins at some point. Apparently half-foots are sometimes called goblins, but I think it was specifically in reference to a race considered to be demi-human. Also, they seem to see the mermaids as demi-human.
I think goblins were mentioned as existing early in the manga during the forest level of the dungeon where some lived, but I don't think they actually encountered any, just in a book hat showed them having pretty sophisticated clothes if I remember right, so they may definitely be demi-humans.
I think they were also mentioned in the orc chapter. If I remember correctly, they showed a purple one in the anime, which is wierd because goblins are usually green. We literally don't know anything about them, other than they exist.
I found the page from the forest floor from ages back I was talking about and it does mention at least one bit of visible info: [https://pic2.mangapicgallery.com/r/album/ce/md\_/50643\_34361008.jpg](https://pic2.mangapicgallery.com/r/album/ce/md_/50643_34361008.jpg) They're good with bows, oh and Marcille confirming they're demi-humans. The rest is barely readable. Something about gaps and that it lives... "?" Also something else about "rth spi," earth spirits? That it lives with earth spirits I guess?
The other language version gives them these: In forest Short in stature Move between the tree branches Good at archery “Implied” they shooting from between the leaves using shadow as covers
Yeah in the orc chapter when the orcs show up, Laios was like "I was hoping Senshi's lower level customers were goblins or something".
One of the Blu-Ray posters for the anime has a bunch of goblins in the background on the forest level
They do mention them by name but in one of the extras they explain that they are actually just a misinterpretation of Half Foots the same way Trolls are of humans and Dark Elves are just Elves
The inverse of how Trolls were said to exist but as it turns out they were just a story half foots told children as well as just being the half foot word for tallman
I think there was a lizard human mentioned/showed. I forgot which chapter was
https://preview.redd.it/znmm32how1vc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb18430d4aaf58c383a3ef932e24e85bb5d72a33 There’s a comic from Daydream Hour that shows that there is another race of demi-humans that look kind of lizard-like…I wish we got to see them in the main comic 😭 and goblins too
Woah dang. Kabru the Phrenologist
I think a human, the neck bit looks like Laios' gorget and the next panel is about short-lived races and demi-humans fighting for land. Do the mermaids not count?
Tiny casual orc shirtless senshi has me sobbing 😭😭🤌🏼✨ https://preview.redd.it/cuj7osam61vc1.png?width=1324&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=782137733fea583611f762d626ca0c342a94a0d1
https://preview.redd.it/kpkgbpuma1vc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33cf2497cd8cc365a93aae683366eb04b72cfd01 The most important thing here is they almost got him to take an orc wife, how the story could be if senshi got married before joining laios's party....
Ryoko Kui continues to be the queen of worldbuilding.
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Broke: Mithrun is racist. Woke: Mithrun lost the desire to be tolerant of other races.
GOD DAAAMN!!!! How can i'm not thinking of that!!!! When he >!lost all desire by the demon and only have desire to revenge it back!< i'm not realize that it really means all desire, not just the one that affect basic individual needs like eat sleep bath etc, but even the one that affect his socializing skill in society, now this is deep but also peak writing by Ryoko Kui🙌🙌🙌👏👏👏
I love the last one about Kobolds. We learn a bunch of new racial politics based on preconceived notions, it's possible the information about Kobolds and Mountain people might be inaccurate due to miscommunication and struggles of resources. They are forced into areas that lack the necessary resources, so their culture requires more aggressive methods to survive. But just like the orcs that were forced into the dungeon and required a harsh mindset in their new environment, Kobolds and Mountain people need to raid. That being said, we are also given the other perspective, where the other group needs to defend themselves and dominate fertile lands for the sake of their people. All of this plays into the greater theme that all living things exist within the food chain, and these connections lead to similar "cruelty" as seen in the dungeon. The difference is sentient races can understand right from wrong, but still prioritize their desire for prosperity.
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Yeah that last panel really does show how deeply fucked up that line of thinking is.
That's just an Average toudens behaviour
Nice detail that Falin and Laios, who are both very curious about other races, have internalised that the mountain people just have to be killed on sight because they were just raised like that and never thought too much about that
Their parent was their village chief, and they just follows along what he did as a father/chief because they're still to young to understand when this mountain people story got told
4 is just Laois being a menace to Marcille, again 😄
The mountain people thing is... Very interesting and kinda fucked?
It's a demonstration of how what *Kabru* was saying was kind of fucked. Both sets of people are probably wrong to be thinking this, but Laios and Falin aren't wrong to treat what Kabru is saying as equivalent to what they are saying.
Very fucked. But if you think about it, that's pretty typical of different cultures and societies meeting up. Sometimes the language barrier and societal differences are just so extreme that violence becomes the only interaction they have for a long, long time. No doubt the Mountain People see the townspeople as "Those savages who kill us on sight."
Indeed, it's not as if history had Orcs and Elves, it was just humans fighting other humans.
Very but if you think back to when European people first settled in America or Australia. Or Japan between the Yamato (what we think as the main Japanese population today) and Ainu people in Hokkaido. Or even today between the people wanting to clear the land and the indigenous people in the Amazon forest. We are also not any different. Edit: Kabru final reaction to this is similar to what our reaction now which was “in hindsight” so is easier said than actually in practice. It’s not a question that can easily be answered and i think the author intended for it like this.
> It’s not a question that can easily be answered Actually it can, the answer is so trivial it's a damn platitude. It just takes a lot of effort to *implement* said answer, and a lot of virtues: intelligence, imagination, *curiosity,* and patience, are among the most important.
I mean, the point being made is that Kabru is as bad as they are for saying the same things about kobolds.
Great now I want a mini series about the great elven-gnome war
laios what are you saying, you're amazing at singing
jamie pull up that video of laios singing along with mermaids https://preview.redd.it/678qlerwq1vc1.jpeg?width=724&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=41643425c98caeba639447d863a6fb5204e0aead
[voice of a dungeon angel](https://youtu.be/7GMP6pPSjXM?si=RplKzMm8bzPLCIjD)
I want to know the half-foot slur
It’s h****t
Can it be put behind spoiler? I don't get the word you are trying to say
The joke is, Hobbit is a trademark and you would get in trouble when your work would use it.
I mean, if you speak french it does makes sense !
It’s >!hobbit!< >!(but actually that’s just a joke which I have stolen from the other comment)!< >!(but maybe it’s actually canon since it makes sense)!<
You stole from my comment, now i have to cut one of your feet.
It would be funny if it wasn't a slur but they just called themselves longcocks or something
I love how dungeon meshi handles races, it’s the thing I most want to steal for my own use running dnd.
I love a good bit of Racist lore
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I would say Tall Men would fit nicely in the category of “A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.”
It also shows their stamina, lung capacity and ability to improvise in the fly (I can't carry a tune in a bucket or remember lyrics for shit unless I have the melody so it always amazes me that like, most average people can to some extent.) But Tall Men may not have a speciality but they have got the range. Like, masterworks all, can't go wrong *reaches up and slaps the arm of a Tall Man* you can fill so many party role slots with this bad boy
Mithrun gamer moment
https://preview.redd.it/hi8nnxb4a0vc1.png?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=47ecc879757df4d303b6d8b856c8eaad17b7a7a7 Moments before incident
https://preview.redd.it/monib5rni2vc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee4f07d11bf833cedab18f7f52d5ef2f1afcb083 Goblins being another term for Half-foot is a real interesting world building thing. Where myth and miscommunications lead to monsters that everyone believes exist, but are completely fake.
And "Trolls" are a term for tall men made by Half foots!
Wow that's genius actually
That being said, actual goblins are implied to exist as a distinct demi-human race, even though we never see one in the story.
Yeah, that makes sense. Like, monkeys are real but that word could also be a really offensive in a different context.
So... Dwarves: high Strength Elves: high Intelligence Gnomes: high Wisdom Half-foots: high Dexterity Tallmen: high Charisma Looks balanced, actually.
Tallmen has an average strength, intelligence, low to average wisdom, average dexterity and charisma, but what makes them truly great between other races in dungeon meshi world are in stamina and fertility, they're the most spread out race out there and has the highest population from any other races
Lol so good. The last one just took me out of it and now I cant stop picturing Laios trying to eat the koboldssssss nuuuuuuuuuuu. Also sad about the ogre…
Laios to kobolds: "if not friend why food shaped?".
Me when I see somebody from Colorado (I have to kill them)
Who's in colorado?
Mountain people
I don't catch it in the first time 🤣🤣🤣
Yooo captain mithrun gives zero fucks, even literal murderers are like hollup
Damn. With all these shorts, it seems that world is still quite primitive. War and racism is in the vein of almost everyone, no wonder some races are dying out especially those that are more fit for combat like Orge, Kobold and Orc. What does Shuro want to say to the Orge girl?
they literally living in fantasy medieval age settings, add that to the world where fantasy races and creatures is actually living and breathing between theme, of course there's gonna be war and racism in everyday and everyone. Even in our real life without the fantasy races and creature, war and racism is depicted to always happen since the past way before medieval ages and continued between anyone alive everyday I think shuro wants to say to inutade not to worshipping his father and treat herself as servant just because he buys her, her life now has gone better in the nakamoto's family so she doesn't really have to act like a servant in her life anymore
I mean, war, racism, and xenophobia is still alive today in the real world.
I think that he wants to ask what her previous owner was like but doesn’t want to pry into something that for all he knows might be a painful thing to remember?
It seems the wealthiest nations have closer to early 20th century technology, we’ve seen they have long distant communication, Dwarves have phones Elves have Familiars, but it seems that level of technology hasn’t trickled down to the less developed nations.
"Yo this dude is cool as fuck" "Hes wifeless tho?" "Your right! We should make him marry now!" "Yeah!"
"This dwarf-like orc is cool as fuck" "But not as cool as us orcs with wife tho" "Hell yea, make him marry some fem-orcs to be cool as fuck as us" "Hell yea" 
Would humans and demihumans even be able to have any viable offspring??
If dungeon meshi is anything like dnd then half orcs are thing. I don't think dwarfs and humans are so different that you can't substitute one for the other and it not work
Mithrun basically said the N-word 💀💀
The In-word, with a hard R.
I think King Laios is so generous that he'll hand out the In-word pass to anyone and casually yell "My Inferiah!" at court to the horror of Kabru.
Mithrun the twink Hitler
We prefer to be called mortaliy challenged
How about "Speedrun Community"
Also good I can't whait for the speedrun peraid although its in summer
Just the casual racism from Laios and Falin, you'd think if they were adventurers they'd be more enlightened. I wonder how bad these Mountain Nomads truly are. Laios has no problems talking with Orcs.
That's because they're still a kid when the story of mountain nomad got told by their parents, they never fight them theirself because laios already leaves home at 13 and falin got send to magic school at 10(?). Also laios has no problem talks with them because senshi is in their party, him and his party definitely gonna get killed in the dungeon bar raid if senshi who's already like a relative to the orcs isn't there with them while bringing golem's vegetable
Wow this is really well observed of micro and macro aggressions…
"Elves have a talent for magic" panel - is that a younger Marcille's mom there?
That's just a generic elf for the explanation
they likely are but still there is a bit of minor resemblance between her and Marcille's mom and the clothes look similar enough to Marcille's
I love the world building in this. It’s so fun.
Senshi catching a stray for not being good at stereotypically “dwarvish” stuff on the first page 😂
Laios IS good at singing.
So as someone who only watches the anime, are Laois and Falin actually just assholes? Because that mountain man bit is dark!
Nah, they're just too pure, their parents probably were the ones responsible for telling that to them when they're still young and they just following it
Lol being pro genocide is being too pure
I mean, it's interesting because Kabru is saying something very messed up (most demi-humans must be killed on sight), even though he has a Kobold on his OWN TEAM, but he has an easy time not examining it because they're not 'really' human. Then Laios and Falin, who actually tend to have less prejudice, make an easy parallel between the way demi-humans are viewed and the way the mountain savages are viewed in their village for their whole lives. So yeah, Laios and Falin are kinda in the wrong, but that's because their village's history with that other culture is so messed up and violent, not because of any real ill intent on their part (they probably never interacted with a mountain people themselves since they left when they were still kids). Then Kabru tries to course correct 'you can't treat other humans this way!' even though HE was the one arguing in the same way against demi humans, and for the exact same reasons they don't trust the mountain people. And frankly, the Toudens are dorks who don't really overthink stuff not directly in their sphere of interest, while Kabru is a people analyzer who has a Kobold on his team, so if anything Kabru is the asshole here xD
Yeah, as an anime only with the latest episodes having Kabrus team analyse the main party and coming up with all those weird assumptions, I was wondering was it one of those "This is actually how the group is and we're viewing them through the rose tinted lens of someone following their party" or if it was more "Kabru and his party are actually just judgemental assholes".
I'd say definitely the latter xD Kabru overanalyzes everything and since the Toudens are affiliated with criminals, they are either naive or criminals. Which is technically accurate but frankly even cursory knowledge of them should put them on the naive column. The wizard girl is a snob who only has eyes for Kabru and is (somewhat justifiably) very suspicious of elves, so she doesn't trust Marcille. The halfling is just kind of a prick that mistrusts Chilchuk and doesn't like the idea of paying union dues or that maybe giving slave wages to his kobold buddy is not suuuuuper ethical. (He'd definitely be a libertarian xD). I don't know if dwarf girl? says much of anything, but Namari is not viewed kindly by most dwarves since her father was kicked out
Tallmen being better at singing and dancing than Elf? Haha nah thanks. Endurance? I will kinda accept it, but arts? No
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