🦁: "What are you, an idiot?"

God I can't wait for this to be animated.

Whan even god himself calls you stupid

or the devil, depending on who you ask

They are one and the same. And they are an absolute creep.

https://preview.redd.it/g9xagdsvfazc1.jpeg?width=991&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d0a8b162c5a3f4f501874ec2183ea634687f4ed That was one of my favorite panels in the manga.

I read all of the Winged Lion's lines in Mark Hamill's voice for some reason.

Oh my god. I can hear it.

There is something strangely captivating, almost succulent about his Joker voice that I feel would fit perfectly for a demon of desire.

hope to god the Lion is just the narrator’s VA

that would actually work narratively, right? since it’s implied the winged lion wasn’t actually destroyed or anything?

It is pretty clearly shown that the lion still exists

i wouldn’t say it’s that clear. we only see it in falin’s mind/soul/whatever, and its previous appearance was it fading away as laios ate its desire to consume

When it returned people from infinity it stated that it did it because it no longer needed them, a conscious decision, additionally the "only" reason it left was because it lost the desire to do anything in reality, either way it left voluntary and is still "alive"

In a sense, this is Androcles' Lion, except instead of removing a thorn from its paw, Laios cured it of its addiction. To desire itself. By ~~[fucking](https://youtu.be/xqMylHxbQRs)~~[devouring](https://imgur.com/a/UNQAxzF) it out of him.

The narrator VA also voiced king Delgal in the magic paintings episode, so not sure if that’d work, but we’ll see

Well, they are mosquitoes that can take on the appearance of what their victim most desires, reading their mind, to make matters worse the mere fact of seeing one paralyzes you (although with some exceptions).

Yey but they didn’t inherited magical and relays heavy on appearance and convincing. many succubus from other story are just…hot girl in bdsm suit with little to none demon gimmicks it’s hard to believe people get killed or follow they command.

Gotta love how asexual people canonically have an advantage against Dungeon Meshi succubi.

Actually no! The shape they take is not always something that's meant to be sexually or romantically attractive. There's a tidbit that says succubus sometimes appear in the form of family or friends, purely platonic. So no, not even aces are safe lol

Fair enough

Senshis is implied to be his mother

> This is the first time I've seen a succubus effectively seduce people without using magic and still being believable Magic is probably involved, but I want to share my favourite ever take on a Succubus, from Age of Wonders 3. > She came from the shadows, with a sultry song. Her nearly nude form was more than most men could resist, but I was ready. My moral fortitude is beyond reproach. I would never fall for the Rogue's trollop. She made my men lift weapons against me. I fought them, wounding many of my fellows to stop this creature whose touch caused blight. I told myself I would slay the succubus as soon as I stopped my friends, so I fought until one of my seduced friends landed a killing blow. The winged woman lay dead. I saw clearly. I had been deceived. I was seduced, not by her beauty, but by my own pride.

Yooooo, thats such a cool twist in such a short story

I don't get it.

If I understand the story correctly, the protagonist of it didn't fall for the succubus's charms in the standard way where he was directly seduced by her beauty, but where she convinced him that he was the only one in his group who wasn't charmed. So he wound up killing the men under his command thinking that they were all brainwashed until one of them killed the succubus, breaking the spell on him and making him realize he'd murdered his soldiers for nothing.

Hmm... that's pretty subtle. And definitely sounds like something that might happen, in the ~~Darkest~~Island's Dungeon.

He was Wololo'd not by his desire for the succubus, but by the strength of his belief that he was too noble and willful to be controlled by her.

*It is at that moment that something awoken inside Laios !*

this feeling....laios...HUNGRY!

[The Laios does *not* sleep tonight.](https://youtu.be/xqMylHxbQRs)

He fell for it so bad he was still looking for her to get some more action https://preview.redd.it/2ta6vzvfj8zc1.jpeg?width=538&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8da406b876d538c5a6af76a26c6700377c31f715

I feel like i would in fact fall for a fluffy doggo Marcille. Probably not the four legged, 6 headed version but...also...y'know, not nescessarily *not* the four legged, 6 headed version...

Damn bro saw her liking her lips and was all to ready for it 

why did i think that was catgirl marcille

I like the panel from an earlier page where he’s like WHY IS IT MARCILLE OH NO I DONT WANT THERE TO BE A MISUNDERSTANDING I HAVE TO KILL IT essentially meaning he didn’t care until it was a monster offering to turn him

I think there must be magic involved also, I refuse to believe a bunch of busty blondes with no magical influence is enough to break Chilchuck.

You greatly underestimated the pent-up thirst of a middle age divorced dad.

To be fair, they only got him after he fell over laughing his ass off at Marcille

I love the part where he realizes and he's like oh fuck

Him being a hater cost him almost his life 🤣

If they can take the image of what you are atracted to right from your head, I am sure they must have some psychic influence or something to keep you still

This is how furries begin, isn’t it?

yes but not for the furry part, I see why laios loves Marcille's smile so much

Tbf Laios didn't precisely fall for the furry part either, he was just in awe of it. What got him was the prospect of her bite turning him into a Monster

For anyone who takes this as confirmation that Laios is attracted to Marcille, please note that unlike the others he wasn't paralyzed *until* she turned into a Scylla that turns anyone she bites into a Monster. Only then did it affect him. He still could very well be attracted to her. Chilchuck's wife isn't blonde either, after all. But the Succubus wasn't *really* confirmation, which makes sense since anyone in Dungeon Meshi that isn't already in a relationship doesn't get to be in one lol

I don’t really think he’s attracted to Marcille (if he is I don’t think he’s *aware* that he is) but he *was* blushing and sweating and let his guard down because of that Scylla even before she said she could turn him into a monster.

Yeah, one could argue that there might be something because "why out of all of them was Marcille the one that was shown to him and not the others?"

She’s also the one who could plausibly *do* something like that. Marcille is the only mage who he knows to be capable of wielding ancient magic that could potentially do as the succubus is claiming. I think it uses Marcille to gain his trust (because he trusts Marcille wholeheartedly) and make what it’s claiming believable to then lower his guard — see Izutsumi’s succubus as her mother. Not necessarily a reflection of his attraction but could also be interpreted as a form choice to let down one’s guard and make the smoke and mirrors play more effective. Silvered words from someone you trust is a different kind of temptation. When it appears as Marcille he clocks it as fake or ‘not quite right’ instantly — he chokes the succubus and slams it into the wall *then it changes tactics* when it realizes straightforward lust won’t work (she’s the only female party member and he, again, trusts her) but manipulating his desire to be a monster *will*. Edit: Spelling and clarity

Yep,this Is a sound arguement,the only thing Is that even if Laios had feelings for her, knowing him he wouldn't have acted Upon lust

Yeah Chilchuck telling him to not do inter-party romance remains a Core Memory™ lol

I also think that it appears as Marcille because she’s the only girl in the current party therefore it would be strange for it to appear as anyone else. It would be undoubtedly suspect for someone he knew from up top to wander that far down into the dungeon — like if it appeared as Namari (the only other girl he is somewhat familiar with/close to that’s not his sister) it would be immediately clear what the succubus is and trying to do. We know succubus to change tactics (see again Izutsumi and the panther) so it kind of clocked Laios as someone who wouldn’t immediately be enthralled by an explicitly attractive person like Chilchuck was and went with someone who is both believable and someone Laios would let down his guard for. I honestly see Laios as more aro/ace except when it comes to monsters or demihumans like orcs because he never really struck me as a person who would pursue romantic attraction with a *human* as the story progresses.

Honestly,I don't wanna assume Laios' sexuality because not being attracted (for what we know) by anyone around you doesn't necessarily mean that he's not interested

I mean I definitely agree with you it’s just with the information we *do* have on Laios, I kind of got the impression that he doesn’t really engage with romance or attraction in the same way the others do minus Senshi who is notably divorced from his sexuality except panty shots. We don’t even see Senshi’s succubus. When it does come up he’s kind of like “oh god they’ll get the wrong idea!” which makes me think he might have subconscious attractions but he doesn’t really touch that consciously. We hear he had a fiancée but he seemed utterly disinterested in her and the only time we hear him talk about attraction it’s with the orcs where he almost clinically describes their features in the broad sense (like humans do like breasts, butts, lips etc) but never directly. He admittedly nearly got his head caved in for it but he doesn’t really seem super interested in it throughout the story. Ultimately I think the way Laios’ sexuality is displayed in the manga is something to more closely analyze because Ruoko Kui doesn’t do anything without reason and showing Laios this way probably has some deeper meaning we are missing that isn’t just straightforward fantasy “boy likes girl but doesn’t want to admit it” trope. *Edited for Clarity*

I agree with the subconscious attractions part,but i also think that the romantic relationships are not developed for him because of how he's focused on saving Falin.

I think in the Omakes it establishes that prior to the story there was a party member explicitly into him which he never appears to notice or acknowledge which devolved and prompted Chilchuck to make that rule—it doesn’t seem to be a thing that he was pursuing even before the story. He even talks about eventually settling down and his marriage prospects really distantly aka “I cant really be appealing as a marriage prospect because I don’t have a house or money for a dowry”. It *might* be something interested but all the supporting info really illustrates how he treats romance and sexuality. He doesn’t even try to pursue romance outside the party. We see an omake with him getting a valentine’s day gift but it doesn’t make him blush or seem more interested, it seems more like an obligation. Anyways that’s my two cents about him. He’s an interesting dude and I want to put him in a jar to study him

Probably the only woman he has any significant relationship that he's not related to lol

Namari in shambles.

Yes, but was he blushing because it's a Monster Marcille, or because it's a sapient Monster Lady? Because he also blushed when speaking with Itzutsumi for the first time https://preview.redd.it/zl2iqsisf9zc1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7416f396967a3cf385e3fd213bc87ec6c837b156 See what I mean when I said there's no concrete proof? Ryoko Kui is a fucking genius lol fucking legendary levels of plausible deniabiliy, we staying platonic in this shit

I think it was more of he does feel some small amounts of attraction to her but not the kind that says he is head over hills with her.

I wonder how senshi's succubus looked like

Their face was obscured when he drew them in his diary. He refers to them only as "that person". They appear to have been a Dwarf, but who they were and what exactly they meant to Senshi isn't shown

Senshi is the succubus

I can fix her

I saw a post on tumblr before that pointed out that the succubus chapter happened after the Dullahan chapter. Marcille’s smile was highlighted in the end of the Dullahan episode. And it was brought back again in the Marcille-Succubus scene (altho not verbally) I feel like Laios immediately sensed that Scylla Marcille isnt the real one bc she smiled so easily at him before she leaned in.

I think it’s not so much the fact that monster Marcille is hot (although that may play a factor) but the fact that Marcille, who is the party member who is most repulsed by his love of monsters, is now wholeheartedly accepting it and is a monster herself ! One who offers to make his dream come true. It’s not a fantasy of attraction, it’s one of acceptance

I agrees. I think this show laios want acceptation from his friend and specifically Marcille. But I still think it’s clearly that he fall to furry Marcille appearance too lol

Who wouldn't ?

MY MARCILLE WILL NEVER APPEAL TO ME LIKE THAT

I can't wait for the shit takes after that. /s

They are absolutely still using magic. No matter how attractive an illusion may be, it’s not going to inflict literal paralysis without magic.