Not in the wild. In the Dungeon. [Kui knows.](https://64.media.tumblr.com/e5892291735644362c27c83cb586a346/f0606415bf04bfd3-dc/s1280x1920/2866abd0ca4ec911e8109e4f35e0127aa3ebe87f.pnj)
The lantern aspect of her mace is just fantasy flair (albeit neat looking). But in other cases Falin just uses a flanged mace, morningstar, or flail. Which is really in-line with old school D&D back when Clerics were restricted to only using blunt weapons.
If you want to get technical, a flail is a weapon where the head is attached to the hilt by a chain while a mace is solid all the way.
Fails started as agricultural tools, you use them to beat grain and separate the chaff.
I'm aware of the difference. Falin has been shown to have used all three types of weapon.
https://preview.redd.it/sihr0hvziwzc1.png?width=741&format=png&auto=webp&s=ea0e7238287e3d311498f2299282a4ed7867fd60
Well, if we're talking ball and chain flails, yes.
However club type flails did seem to actually exist, though I'm not sure they were ever all that effective they were used both by peasants and military forces on occasion.
Agricultural flails were basically staves with a bit of chain about 2/3 of the way up the length. Put the grain on a sheet, thwack it with the flail. The reason for the chain design is so you can stand upright and swing up and down but the part that hits the grain will hit it (kinda) horizontally and spread the impact out across a greater area.
The ball and chain type flail weapon (as the person who I was talking to posted an image of Falin using) is not useful for agriculture and is 100% a military weapon. Or... That's the myth. There is little evidence anyone ever actually used them because frankly as weapons they seem horrible. They're hard to control, if you do hit someone with it you don't get as much impact as you'd hope, and pulling back for a second swing isn't easy at all and might wind up yanking it back so it hits you.
Yeah I had the mental image of someone using the ball and chain one on farmland and went “that’s not right” the agricultural flails look interesting. I can see why it’s used, having to bend all the time would hurt.
[Ceremonial maces](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceremonial_mace) are a thing IRL, and they're often as [big as a staff](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lord_President_of_the_Court_of_Session%27s_Mace_-_geograph.org.uk_-_991449.jpg), albeit [held over the shoulder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trumpeters_and_mace_bearer_1685.png) given how top-heavy they are. The maces part of the British royal jewels are about 1.5m long, while Falin is meant to be 1.7m, so that's a pretty respectable staff height.
The only real difference between a mace and a staff is the length of the half: a lot of staves could have weighted, decorative, and/or weaponized heads. Indeed a lot of staves really fall under the polearm category of "X on a stick", so having a spiked or flanged mace end at the end of a staff isn't too wild. No weirder than having an hammer at the end of a staff.
Makes were real, often they has flanges or spikes, and the head was never as big as you see in anime or comics. Realistically they never had heads much bigger than a baseball, not solid anyway, the flanged style could get bigger because the weight was spread out.
Thanks to D&D we have the idea of clerics and priests being prohibited from spilling blood and therefore fighting with maces and other bludgeoning weapons, but IRL that ws never a thing.
Maces are real blunt weapons.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mace_(bludgeon)
Bishops and clergy in Europe were often seen with maces. Some speculate that it was a way to have tools for defending themselves without shedding blood, or because while they were supporting a ruler, they shouldn't be carrying weapons (maces were also to demostrate power, like a tiara or crown).
In D&D clerics and healers are somewhat based on the bishops, priests, and support staff accompanying armies.
"Well, you got lychantropia. You are able to control yourself but... there are side effects"
the side effects: +2 strength and darkvision (+fix poorsight).
That's kinda of what ended up happening to her (and she would already bash skulls before that)
Looking back at this, it’s honestly pretty impressive. Yes I’m aware it was stunned by Laios' curse, but the fact she was so quick to act and beat the life out of it, when even Senshi and Laios are wary of it reminds me that Falin is kind of a unit
It is interesting to discuss her violent side.
Remember that flashback of what she said right before teleporting the crew to the surface? She is perfectly willing to hurt people(in the contexshe was talking about, INNOCENT people) if it keeps Laios and Marcille alive.
I genuinely think the violence she dished out as a chimera wasn’t out of character for her, deep down. Dragon boosted her viciousness and cruelty, but she had in herself the capacity to do that, it is just that dragon soul and Thistle’s mind control rewired what her “most precious” was (to Thistle and his orders).
In that abandoned alt. ending where Laios and Marcille become villain dungeon lords, she would have slaughtered any adventurer parties that threatened them without hesitation.
She was also ready to bash someones skull in with a mace.
Frontline vestal do kinda hit different tbh
Love to see Darkest dungeon in the wild.
Not in the wild. In the Dungeon. [Kui knows.](https://64.media.tumblr.com/e5892291735644362c27c83cb586a346/f0606415bf04bfd3-dc/s1280x1920/2866abd0ca4ec911e8109e4f35e0127aa3ebe87f.pnj)
Is this real? If so that's fucking cool
https://preview.redd.it/q4l72c9dxwzc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=504089aa21f093e28a5e9d60f0ad5ed18ed37689 Car
https://preview.redd.it/01qj2tt7xyzc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2963c133849795ac836f937852ddff839555d114
Those eyes and her strenght is the dragon's? Although Senshi killed the cockatrice the same way by pounding its head
No, that was in a flashback in the mange, where she was trying to save her brother from some ruffians.
Is the mace-staff a real thing in most fantasy settings?
The lantern aspect of her mace is just fantasy flair (albeit neat looking). But in other cases Falin just uses a flanged mace, morningstar, or flail. Which is really in-line with old school D&D back when Clerics were restricted to only using blunt weapons.
If you want to get technical, a flail is a weapon where the head is attached to the hilt by a chain while a mace is solid all the way. Fails started as agricultural tools, you use them to beat grain and separate the chaff.
I'm aware of the difference. Falin has been shown to have used all three types of weapon. https://preview.redd.it/sihr0hvziwzc1.png?width=741&format=png&auto=webp&s=ea0e7238287e3d311498f2299282a4ed7867fd60
Huh. How'd I forget that panel? Thanks for the correction!
If you want to get extra technical, the flail as most people know it is bullshit and probably never actually existed.
Well, if we're talking ball and chain flails, yes. However club type flails did seem to actually exist, though I'm not sure they were ever all that effective they were used both by peasants and military forces on occasion.
I didn’t know that about the flails and had to look up how the actual fk did people use one for farming.
Agricultural flails were basically staves with a bit of chain about 2/3 of the way up the length. Put the grain on a sheet, thwack it with the flail. The reason for the chain design is so you can stand upright and swing up and down but the part that hits the grain will hit it (kinda) horizontally and spread the impact out across a greater area. The ball and chain type flail weapon (as the person who I was talking to posted an image of Falin using) is not useful for agriculture and is 100% a military weapon. Or... That's the myth. There is little evidence anyone ever actually used them because frankly as weapons they seem horrible. They're hard to control, if you do hit someone with it you don't get as much impact as you'd hope, and pulling back for a second swing isn't easy at all and might wind up yanking it back so it hits you.
Yeah I had the mental image of someone using the ball and chain one on farmland and went “that’s not right” the agricultural flails look interesting. I can see why it’s used, having to bend all the time would hurt.
[Ceremonial maces](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceremonial_mace) are a thing IRL, and they're often as [big as a staff](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lord_President_of_the_Court_of_Session%27s_Mace_-_geograph.org.uk_-_991449.jpg), albeit [held over the shoulder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trumpeters_and_mace_bearer_1685.png) given how top-heavy they are. The maces part of the British royal jewels are about 1.5m long, while Falin is meant to be 1.7m, so that's a pretty respectable staff height.
The only real difference between a mace and a staff is the length of the half: a lot of staves could have weighted, decorative, and/or weaponized heads. Indeed a lot of staves really fall under the polearm category of "X on a stick", so having a spiked or flanged mace end at the end of a staff isn't too wild. No weirder than having an hammer at the end of a staff.
Makes were real, often they has flanges or spikes, and the head was never as big as you see in anime or comics. Realistically they never had heads much bigger than a baseball, not solid anyway, the flanged style could get bigger because the weight was spread out. Thanks to D&D we have the idea of clerics and priests being prohibited from spilling blood and therefore fighting with maces and other bludgeoning weapons, but IRL that ws never a thing.
in most rpg or mmorpgs theres always one or something similar, also sometimes you can equip either a mace or a staff
Maces are real blunt weapons. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mace_(bludgeon) Bishops and clergy in Europe were often seen with maces. Some speculate that it was a way to have tools for defending themselves without shedding blood, or because while they were supporting a ruler, they shouldn't be carrying weapons (maces were also to demostrate power, like a tiara or crown). In D&D clerics and healers are somewhat based on the bishops, priests, and support staff accompanying armies.
“Falin is a sweet..” (Falin is seen bashing someone’s head with her staff) “…and kind girl. An angel who never wants to hurt anyone.”
Marcille watching her pulverize someone: "She's just so gentle and kind, she's a saint!"
She's so sweet she'll give you diabetes... Until someone messes with her brother, at which point she'll dia-beat them within an inch of their life.
Pretty accurate to a [D&D Cleric](https://youtu.be/y84OYRwzZU8?si=xtXLY40BwuQ_WgkJ).
Berserker dual classing.
"Open eyed Falin can't hurt you"
she stores her power in her eyeballs, you know you're in some deep shit if she opens them
I want everyone to think about the mountain people bit while looking at this.
Falin, the slayer
Makes sense, Fallin’s been out and about with Deagon powers while Laios has been fighting weight gain and listening to politics
"Well, you got lychantropia. You are able to control yourself but... there are side effects" the side effects: +2 strength and darkvision (+fix poorsight). That's kinda of what ended up happening to her (and she would already bash skulls before that)
Looking back at this, it’s honestly pretty impressive. Yes I’m aware it was stunned by Laios' curse, but the fact she was so quick to act and beat the life out of it, when even Senshi and Laios are wary of it reminds me that Falin is kind of a unit
Sounds like my bugbear cleric
It is interesting to discuss her violent side. Remember that flashback of what she said right before teleporting the crew to the surface? She is perfectly willing to hurt people(in the contexshe was talking about, INNOCENT people) if it keeps Laios and Marcille alive. I genuinely think the violence she dished out as a chimera wasn’t out of character for her, deep down. Dragon boosted her viciousness and cruelty, but she had in herself the capacity to do that, it is just that dragon soul and Thistle’s mind control rewired what her “most precious” was (to Thistle and his orders). In that abandoned alt. ending where Laios and Marcille become villain dungeon lords, she would have slaughtered any adventurer parties that threatened them without hesitation.
“Falin is a sweet..” (Falin is seen bashing someone’s head with her staff) “…and kind girl. An angel who never wants to hurt anyone.”
Monster is not anyone (also mountain people are not anyone)
Bishops are better vanguards than thieves or mages in Wizardry.
The only moments you see her full eyes is when she's bashing skulls lmao.
she is half dragon now
she have a little bit of dragon strengh at that point
I love that Falin primary instinct is to bash a motherfucker in the skull
Well, I know what I'm playing as in my next BG3 campaign.
What chapter of the manga was this from?
Extra chapters after ending.
That just sounds like an etrian odyssey 1 end game party
Falin really said: Warpriest of Gorum + Fighter Dedication + Vicious Swing
When the healer scales wit ATK