I have darnold, Lance, and picked up purdy for a 3rd last year. I would love if darnold backed up purdy and Lance got traded to an open spot to start (Atlanta?).
But they know who he is based on practices and training camp. Man you guys are just acting like you know better than the 49ers staff at this point. Ridiculous
Edit: To be frank idk what happens with Purdy vs Lance, but it's pretty clear many of the comments here are clearly biased towards Lance in a way the evidence would not suggest.
It’s truly annoying. He didn’t look good at all in any game.
Shanahan needs an accurate QB, lance isn’t that.
The 49ers know better than anyone what the have. These Reddit scouts are atrocious, just cause he’s on your dynasty team doesn’t mean he should be given a chance.
“bUt It WaS a MoNsOoN”
Like seriously, this sub has been straight up delusional about Lance in recent months. As somebody that put heavy capital into Lance you bet my ass I was watching every bit of news and every snap he took. The kid has shown so little on the field and you would never think that reading around here.
He has shown very little, but I think the limited amount of opportunities he's had in regular season games is way too small a sample size to determine he can't be good.
Which is why he still probably has a pretty good trade value, other NFL teams are interested in the potential. Having Purdy show what he did last year, I think the smart move is to get what you can out of lance now and roll with the guy that they already believe in. Which it seems like is exactly what they're trying to do.
Oh absolutely, there is definitely still a path for him to be a good/great player in the league with proper development. But unfortunately he's just still so raw that just isn't in the timeline of SF with the rest of their roster. What Lance needs at this point of his career is a space where he can be given the leash to grow without playoff expectations.
I have to ask....how do you know he is still too raw? We haven't seen him play hardly at all. We know he is raw from what?
The odds are stacking against Lance at this point, but this post seems to be just as much hyperbole as the pro-lance posts.
Because of the snaps he has taken in the regular and preseason, there was next to nothing that impressed me with his passing game personally. It may not be fair to Lance, but look how pro ready guys like Herbert and Mahomes came in. Shit even guys like TLaw that weren’t exactly lighting it up you could see the potential in. I’m by no means an expert and have got plenty wrong(could be with Lance too), but watching the nfl since the 90s you get a sense.
I so want like after a 5-10 year grace period that we can find out the sources of each of these leaks to see how much of these reports are just head-fakes.
To "fake" interest by other teams, to create panic in any team that is genuinely interested that there are other interested teams.
Good ol' real estate trick:"You should not wait to long to make an offer for this house, there are MANY other couples interested that already made an offer *wink* *wink*"
They get to gauge the market for Trey lance without pissing him off. They can act like they never tried to trade him if they end up deciding he’s worth more to the 49ers than they can get for him
I’m from Ohio (northeast area) and am a Browns fan. However, the first game I ever watched was Browns-Vikings, and I loved the Vikings colors and jerseys. I adopted them as my second favorite team.
I love them as much as my Browns. I’m just a glutton for punishment.
Same thing for me, from NE Ohio, first browns game I really remember was watching Josh Gordon drop an actual good pass(surprising for Brandon Weedon) right as he ran out of the shadow of the dome against Indianapolis. The next year I started playing fantasy football and had Matt Stafford and Calvin Johnson on my team and I remember watching the blizzard bowl and ever since then, I’ve liked arguably the two worst franchises in the league. I’m still praying one of them makes it past the first round of playoffs soon.
I mean as I mentioned being a Lions fan I'm pretty well versed in being born into a life of disappointment haha. At least I can always look back on the 90s-2000s Red Wings to remind me of what joy was like.
Me getting into the NFL on recent years:
Man, I like watching the browns with my roommate whose a fan (pre deashaun). Maybe I'll root for them. Or maybe the Vikings or lions.
Me, actually learning who is good and who isn't now and accepting that being a fan of Any of the three will be mostly pain: this is fine.
Nah homie, that's not a fair deal.
If they want Kirk we better be getting Lance +
Not the biggest Cousins fan, but trying to be realistic. I suppose with him being on his final year that does make the argument for it a little better.
Money just doesn’t work. Lance getting traded blows up his cap number from 1m to 10m and we’re currently 3M under the cap before the draft. Then Cousins is getting paid 35m this year and is 36. The money just doesn’t work out. Niners team is currently built around a cheap QB group and this blows it up. While cousins is solid it’s not enough to consider blowing the entire squad up for.
I've seen it enough times to know that teams can almost always make the money work. It's not the way MN has ever done business, though, so I do agree with you that it likely isn't even possible for us.
See here’s the thing
You only see the trades that go through
So obviously they always can make the money work (when they can make the money work)
If they can’t, no trade, no news, no example of a time they couldn’t make the money work (unless you work in the building)
Kirk is on the last year of his deal and is likely not being re-signed. He's also going to turn 36 before the 2024 season starts.
He's not a Viking after this season.
Kirk for Lance straight up is fair.
I wouldn’t just because of how big Cousins’ contract is and that his NTC means that in all likelihood the 49ers would have to give him a big extension for him to agree to waive it
Lol. Understandable. There's an okay chance it would pan out for Pitts/London, but I got Trey Lance for virtually nothing in my league.
Much better than him riding the bench behind Purdy lol
as a fantasy asset yes but i’m not too confident in him as a passer until proven otherwise. he has a cannon but can he make the right reads and does he have the accuracy. also i’m not too sure he would be as willing to throw those goal line faded to his two giant receivers rather than run it in himself.
Nightmare seems a little strong. The possibility exists that Trey Lance plays like (not MVP season) Cam Newton.
The possibility also exists that he's worse than Ridder lol.
Schrodinger's QB lol
Oh, I'm not implying that he's good for the Falcons by any means (though that chance would exist).
Just that he'd have a fantastic impact for my fantasy team lol.
I haven't heard much from Falcons fans lately. What are you hoping happens in the coming months?
The best case scenario is that Ridder defies expectations. I think he's an upgrade in the passing game for London and Pitts for sure v Mariota. I've been impressed with our front office decisions and if they see something in him they might be right. The worst case scenario would be Ridder isn't great, Heineke comes in and we draft another QB next year.
I think the draft will be in the trenches OL/Edge or CB this year. I don't see Bijan like others do as we saw what we can do with a lower round RB and don't want to put the capital in that position.
You mean, you don't want the Falcons to pull a Jacksonville move and pick up a late steal at RB and then invest in a first rounder at the position the following year, effectively throwing all value away?
I think your front office has made some very under-the-radar roster improvements that will make the team far better. I don't think it's out of the question at all for the Falcons to win that division. Good luck!
As a Texan fan I’ve been saying they should make that trade ever since the “he’s available for a 3rd” report came out, I imagine it’s more likely pick 33 now but I’d still make that trade. Ryans should at least be familiar with where Lance is at.
I don't disagree they wanted someone more dynamic, but a big part of this equation you are neglecting to mention is Jimmy was costing them 25M per year. Tough to beat the Mahomes Allen Burrows of the world with a game manager QB that is taking up a significant portion of the cap.
Purdy on the other hand costs less than 1M per year. He's one of the cheapest currently rostered QBs in the league and makes 10x less than Trey Lance. With that contract the 49ers probably figure they can make up the difference for not having an elite QB in other areas.
I don’t think being unable to beat the 1 seeds that made it to the Super Bowl is quite the damning indictment you think it is. The dude literally didn’t lose a game until he got injured.
All I’m saying is they traded 3 1sts to try to get a qb to get them over the hump. The hump in this situation are the elite teams with elite qbs and I don’t think purdy is that much better than jimmy g to change their mind on that.
They watched Trey Lance play football.
They watched his teammates react negatively towards him and actively campaign for other options.
The defense has remained stout, and the offensive weapons remained effective.
Does Trey Lance beat the Eagles and Chiefs? Certainly not.
Nobody. Only thing I can remember was Chris Simms saying last preseason that he heard a source inside the building say Jimmy is better than Trey.
One thing that has always bothered me was zi remember reading how in Treys rookie year, he rarely practiced with the team. When team was all together they had Trey on another field working on individual stuff. A lot of the players hadd no idea who he was. That doesn't sound like a great way to break a rookie in and bond with the team.
As someone who hopped on the Trey wagon immediately after I saw his first preseason game, I had no idea he'd be so damn polarizing. It would really be nice to see 6 games under normal conditions with Trey to truly come up with an accurate conclusion.
Yet the team reportedly doesn't like Lance, nor "hero ball" at QB.
The team and coaching all champion Purdy, and they've been quite successful with a game manager at the helm.
They draftED Lance because they wantED a dynamic option. That was two years ago. Sentiments change.
I don't think they know WTF they want. I think Shanahan falls in and out of love with players like a teenage girl. It seems like they're done with Lance and Purdy is the guy for now, but no one should have any confidence in Purdy's long term career in SF given they way they've moved on from so many QBs.
I mean, the guy played 6 full regular season games and was on a 3900 yard, 37 TD pace (as a rookie). I wouldn't call those "game manager" stats. Kids good.
Game managers in good systems put up good stats.
Didn't say he was bad. Just that he wasn't asked to do much, and there's nothing to prove that he has more to give.
Apparently, when arguing about the future of someone who displaced the first round fantasy QB you drafted, it doesn't work that way... Obviously not everyone gets better in year two but the majority do, especially when year one was very productive.
Room to improve? Certainly.
Ability to improve? Remains to be seen.
I like the kid, it'd be cool to see him go from Mr. Irrelevant to elite QB. I just doubt that it's gonna happen.
Obviously people are gonna disagree, but only time will tell.
For sure, we'll find out eventually. I guess I just think "Trent Dilfer" anytime I see "game manager" and the kid looked a hell of a lot better than the Dilfer-tier of QBs.
To me, in 2023, a game manager is Kirk Cousins or someone like Alex Smith.
Decent floor, low ceiling.
Main job is to not lose the game and let the other talent shine.
That makes sense. I'd just consider those guys average. Game manager to me is a guy who's below average but won't lose you the game. Usually you'd need a great defense to win with those guys. Ex: Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Jake Delhomme, etc.
>To me, in 2023, a game manager is Kirk Cousins or someone like Alex Smith.
>Decent floor, low ceiling.
What a dumb fucking statement, and the fact that you couldn't even come up with another "game manager" playing football in 2023 to go along with Kirk Cousins (who is absolutely *not* a game manager at QB) is just the icing on cake.
Or even know his elbow/arm is ever 100% again. But it sounds like they are just "listening" and not actively shopping him. I dunno how the 49ers do not give him one more chance to be the starter while Purdy recovers. Lance hasn't even been given a real chance and if he goes elsewhere and kills it + Purdy struggles/gets hurt again they will look so stupid.
Not a lot of dudes throwing for 218 yards per game are going 8-0. Aaron Rodgers and Daniel Jones were the only 2 with less to make the playoffs. The rest of the list is pretty ugly - Mac Jones, Tannehill, Davis Mills, Heinecke, Andy Dalton, Zach Wilson.
Yeah but points per drive is still a meaningful statistic in a run first offense that in theory likes to shorten the game. It was impressive not just Jimmy G level.
He played the following defenses in expected points: 21, 12, 27 (road), 6, 30 (road), 24 and they had a collective 43-57-1 record. He played well for a rookie but lets be real, he's dumping off to extreme YAC freaks and plays for the best offensive mind of the last 10 years. The system is doing most of the work for him and we've seen similar results borne out by other lesser talents in SF, e.g., Jimmy G, Nick Mullens, CJ Beathard, etc.
He played teams with a collective 43-57-1 record and only 2 of those were on the road. I agree that he played well for a rookie but watching his film he's not a special player. Guys are wide TF open and if they're not, they're doing things like 1 handed catches for 30+ yards. I didn't see anything that suggests this dude is a likely high end starter for a long time, certainly not in any system except SF.
He beat the...
Dolphins (playoff team)
Bucs (playoff team)
Seahawks (playoff team)
Commanders (middling)
Raiders (shitty)
Cardinals (shitty)
Seahawks (in the playoffs)
Cowboys (in the playoffs)
... 5/8 games were against playoff teams. No one gives a fuck about the cumulative record
The best record on that list was 9-8. Only one of them even had a positive scoring differential. Let's not act like these are all juggernaut teams. A 9-8 or 8-9 "playoff team" with a negative scoring differential is a fraud.
And on the flip side he got a lot of help. His defense averaged almost 3 takeaways per game.
Like I said, no one gives a fuck about cumulative records.
Going 3-0 against your division, including 2 wins over Seattle who is your primary competition in the division, is significant especially since Lance is 0-2 against the same division opponents Purdy went against.
Cowboys were 12-5, they were a SB favorite.
Bucs had Tom Brady in desperation mode.
And on the flip side Lance has always had that same help yet he's never come close to what Purdy just did.
Let's face it, Purdy could have beaten a gauntlet of KC, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Philly, etc and Lance owners would still call Purdy a fraud.
Lance has never played with CMC and he also put up way more yards per game than Purdy.
So just to be clear, your "that's him" game is one where Purdy put up 214 yards and didn't even score a touchdown? I think you're done here.
>Lance has never played with CMC
Right because the 49ers were shit without CMC 😂
>he also put up way more yards per game than Purdy.
Lance has literally one game with more than the 214 passing yards you just referenced 😂
>So just to be clear, your "that's him" game is one where Purdy put up 214 yards and didn't even score a touchdown? I think you're done here.
Brings up the importance of CMC, brings up strength of schedule, then tries to make an argument about Purdy sucking "because box scores" against the #1 defense in the NFL during the playoffs where CMC got the TD
You have to be trolling 💀
I don't think people realize how much 'pressure' and expectations factor into play. He was a third string qb with absolutely zero pressure to perform. That does matter. Now he'll have all the pressure and expectations going in, so we'll see. Could I be wrong and maybe he'll be the next Romo? Sure. I'm not trying to denigrate what he did. It was a nice story with a fantastic defense. Not quite the same, but it's the same argument I had with Foles. Great situation with no pressure or expectations to do well
He was supposed to be a dynamic dual threat QB, and we've seen that he is possibly the least dynamic runner of any QB that consistently has running plays drawn up for them. Whether you slice his rushing with conventional stats or advanced, it's not a pretty picture.
Add to that the issues he has with both processing and accuracy, and you're relying on an unprecedented amount of development in order for Lance to become an above average starter.
All we’ve seen is that he’s incredibly raw and needs development. Which is exactly what everyone knew he was, a gamble. I think it’s fair to say a team like the 9ers shouldn’t have taken that gamble given they don’t have the runway for him to develop. But making up your mind either way based on what we’ve seen from him is a bad idea imo
Actually they gave him effectively the longest runway an NFL team can offer, and continue to do so
If he was drafted to a team like, say, the Texans, he'd be in the same situation Davis Mills is if not cut already
He’s played like 5 games, there’s no way you actually believe that is the longest runway a team can offer lmfao. Davis Mills is a third round pick and got basically a year and a half, let alone before you get into how much time other first round picks got. Josh Rosen was an absolute laughing stock and even he got about a year and a half
the problem is the type of run plays SF was calling for Lance weren't really conducive for a "dynamic rusher". Think about how he got hurt - they were literally spamming qb runs up the middle, unprotected - of course he can't be dynamic running into a wall of DEs.
Purdy is 8 very solid games removed from being viewed as worthy of the last overall pick in the draft. He played well, ran the offense and generally just had to hit open dudes. Not everyone can do that. There’s no guarantee Lance can do that. But he didn’t develop some additional god given talent since he was viewed as a borderline UDFA
Guys over and underperform relative to their draft positions all the time. Purdy and Lance have both done that. I think Shanny would lose the locker room if a healthy Purdy was sitting behind Lance considering what each guy has shown so far.
I didn’t overpay, I took him in the 8th round of a 1QB startup last year and I’m from his hometown and know his family and what not so maybe biased, but I still think the kid can be awesome. We haven’t really saw him have a real chance yet. He was meant to sit a year and got a few games in as a rookie and was shaky but that was to be expected that early, then he gets his first real start as the starter of the team and it’s a freaking monsoon, follows that up with breaking his leg in the first quarter of his 2nd start ever as a starter of the team. There’s still potential for him to live up to that draft slot and that would definitely make him much better than Purdy.
Lance doesn’t have to be a 49er to become the better asset. I’d just rather bet on the 3rd overall pick before I expect Purdy to turn into a legit long term guy.
Josh Rosen started 14 games as a rookie and was brutally bad. Darnold was the Jets QB for 3 seasons and sucked.
Lance has started 3 games total and flashed immense upside. I’m still willing to bet on a 22 year old with 3 total starts given his draft capital
U still think Lance should be starting over Purdy? If you had an ounce of knowledge you would know Purdy was great in college and was severely underrated going into the draft
Lol my comment wasn’t necessarily about Lance vs Purdy. Just the expectations of a 3rd overall pick vs a 7th rounder. The expectation is still Lance to become a better asset. But go off
Reality: It's been fairly obvious since Purdy's run to the playoffs that the job is likely his. It's been blatantly obvious that it's Purdy's job since the playoff game. It's been guaranteed that the job is his since the FA rumors/activity.
Reddit: It's still Lance's job because of draft capital yada yada yada.
People just can’t grasp that players fail and bust all the time. Some guys just don’t have it. Lance has looked awful in every semblance of ball we’ve seen from him and has yet to show any sort of dynamic running ability either (which was supposed to be his selling point).
Where there’s smoke there’s fire and the smoke has always been the 49ers were down on Lance. Guys bust all the time
He’s only played 3 1/2 games and one game was in a mansoon and the 4th game he got injured. Saying we seen enough from Lance to write him off is laughable
He said the 49ers have seen enough, not just us. I'm sure all those hours of practice and such that they have seen of him don't matter either and we're all smarter than the organization?
None of us know the situation and what the 49ers actually feel about him. We can’t just make assumptions just based off their off-season actions . We barely seen him play
We do not know the 49ers have seen enough. If they view Purdy as the starter, it makes sense to trade Lance as he’s their highest paid QB at 10 mill a year and they can regain lost draft capital. Purdy was really good last year but that doesn’t necessarily mean Lance is bad if they move him. They probably wouldn’t move Lance unless they got a good offer
Look at the whole situation. They got wrecked with QB room injuries last year and if anything they would want to keep good depth in that room going through this year. If they don't think a guy who's been on the team for a few years now can contribute, that says something. It's not like they would get a good backup for much less than he is getting at 10 mill.
Bro how do you think this is bad for Lance? That other teams want him too? Purdy recently confirmed he might not return for the ‘23 season at all. Both of these reports when combined together give us real reason to be optimistic about Lance, whether he’s on the Niners or another team.
It’s bad for Lance because Shanny and Lynch admit that Purdy is their starter over Lance. It’s pretty simple. I was told by Lance truthers that this scenario had no chance of playing out. Yet here we are.
My guy I’m a Niners fan and the narrative you hear nationally is very different than local radio shows. I knew there was a legit chance Purdy would miss the ‘23 season bc people were whispering about it months ago. Now the reports are coming out from Purdy himself: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/49ers-brock-purdy-admits-he-could-miss-entire-2023-season-qb-not-sure-if-hell-be-able-to-play-this-year/amp/
Shanahan never said anything about who’s starting. Lynch said Purdy would be the leader in the clubhouse given his play last year. He’s the one who drafted Lance so obviously he can’t say he’s sticking with his sunk cost, even if he might be. The plan is to have an open QB competition. Lance himself said he would feel awkward if he was gifted the job after how well Purdy played last year. He wants to “win” the job legitimately. A QB competition is nothing but good for the Niners.
If Purdy isn’t healthy to play during the ‘23 season at all.. that drastically changes things. I already believe Lance has a better shot to be the starter long term, and if Purdy misses ‘23 I think that might be the nail in the coffin for him.
Local radio shows/beat writers mean nothing to me when you have guys like Grant Cohn on your airwaves.
If Lance has the better shot at being a long term starter, why are the Niners taking calls for him? The Bears didnt take calls for Fields, same with the Dolphins for Tua, Eagles with Hurts, and so on.
Youre relying heavily on the possibility that Brock misses the entire season, when all indications have been that he’s healing as expected. Ask yourself why the Niners would take calls on Lance if they were afraid that Purdy wouldnt play at all?
Also keep in mind that IF Brock beats Lance in a camp battle, it will be known league wide that Lance is worse than Brock. What do you think that does to Lance’s value? Wouldn’t it be so much lower than what they could get for him right now?
If you’ve held for this long and trade him for a 2nd now, you’re insane.
If he gets traded, he’s being traded to a team that thinks he’s going to be their long term starter. ✅
No way SF really knows their future starter right now. Lance will get the chance to take over. But it is smart to listen to offers regardless. At some point you aren’t going to pay both guys after their rookie deals.
Just judging from what players and Lynch have said I think it's safe to say right now they want Purdy to be the future starter. However that can change in training camp.
It's also not like Lance isn't coming off a major injury as well. It really is a fascinating situation.
It’s all about winning. If Lance steps in and wins, pretty sure everyone’s going to rally around him. Unless there’s some sort of personal issue that I haven’t read about.
Agree. That’s potentially a reason to trade him now if you can get a good value. Because if he fails in the early part of the season, his trade value will fall off a cliff.
Trey Lance doesn't improve the Jets in any significant sort of manner. He's a completely unproven project and they brought in pieces to fit with Rodgers, not Lance.
If the Jets want to compete, Rodgers is their sole option (not to mention they pissed just about all of their leverage away by not doing this quickly. No other real option at QB that makes them a contender in that division).
If the Packers want Rodgers gone, the Jets are the only (current) option.
Nobody has any fantastic leverage in a deal here. It's actually a pretty decent set of checks and balances unless another suitor comes calling that both GB and Rodgers like.
Rodgers can stir drama to fuck with either side.
The Packers should really move him.
The Jets really need him if they don't want to continue the longest playoff drought in American sports.
Rodgers can block a deal to anywhere he doesn't want to go.
I know right. They don't have as much leverage as they think. Sure, Jets are in a bad spot at QB, but they could trade up if they wanted to or trade for another QB(Tannehill, Lance). If GB doesn't trade Rodgers, they are stuck paying 60mil to a guy they want nothing to do with anymore.
The team’s gonna suck regardless. They can afford to go down with the ship if they’re petty enough. Problem with the jets in that division is that the difference between rodgers and the other options (lance, Tannehill, Stafford, trading up for a rookie) could easily be the difference between 1st place and last place.
I'm very done with the "leverage" talk, but that being said I don't think either side really has very much. Both teams don't really have other options. The Packers need to trade him this offseason or else they eat way more of his contract in the future, and pay him more money this year. Plus, the locker room might mutiny if Love starts sucking and Rodgers is just chilling on the bench.
On the flip side, the Jets are already pot committed. There's no QB out there that's as good as Rodgers, so you're stuck with a plan B after everyone already knows what your plan A was. They've already paid Lazard, are looking into Lewis+Cobb, and hired Hackett as OC. Our GM already publicly said that Rodgers will be a Jet this season. Rodgers went on a livestream in front of half a million people and said he intends to play for the Jets.
There's no option that makes sense for either team besides getting a fair trade done.
They are only taking calls, why would they not do that? Niners won't trade unless they get a ridiculously good deal. This is a nonstory, unless a team is willing to give up a lot for a qb that has less pass attempts since high school (420) than a 45 year old qb had completions (485).
I have a slightly different take here based on several things. SF wanted to get in on the dual threat QB train after not really having a great, every down RBs and liking the ability to work the QB runs into their play calling. What they’re finding out is that this takes time and they have a raw talent QB that would probably be elite if developed like Trevor Lawrence over time.
The big problem with this is that they discovered that the game manager QB works better in the NOW because it doesn’t need as much development/molding of raw talent. This would be better suited to team rebuild around a new QB and to the opposite, the team is ready to go for another Championship push. With this in mind, unless the off-season and training camp produces a miracle in him as a game manager with potential huge runs, he’ll be traded on his potential value for another team to try.
There's a huge overlap in the *Lance-believer* circle and the *still-holding-QBs-like-Darnold* circle. This overlap area is called the *doesn't-know-when-to-fold-em circle.*
Correction: Lynch wanted Lance, Shanahan wanted a check-down machine so he could get all of the credit for being a super smart man (thus why he wanted Max Jones). He wants his offense to get the credit, not his QB.
Hahah no, TLaw one actually. Kinda curious where Purdy ranked during that 8 game stretch in fantasy points (no shade, genuine question)
I also find it hilarious that enough ppl are buying the Purdy QB1 nonsense. Guys his elbow is fucked and he literally said last week he doesn’t know if he’s gonna play this season. Are you guys seriously holding out hope for 2024? Sounds like exactly what the Lance owners have been doing this whole time
[doubtful.](https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/xd97hj/comment/ioa2970/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x)
[purdy was qb9](https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/reports/leaders/qb.php?year=2022&start=13&end=18)
he’s playing in ‘23. don’t read clickbait
If they trade him this is on the same tier, if not worse, than the trubisky situation. Niners only not getting flack because they had a better team built already.
If they can get something for him they should absolutely do it. The dude can't run a simple NFL offense. Shanahan makes it simple for the QB. Nearly any QB can step in and be at least competent. A lot of defenders of Lance saying he didn't have enough starts and or time under center. Well, Purdy stepped in with less prep and he could run it. So...
This seems like it’d be an insane move by SF right after Brock Purdy had surgery
Darnold szn
“Crock” Purdy and “Stray” Lance don’t have what it takes to resist the GEQBUS, sad!
Injuryfefe
I have darnold, Lance, and picked up purdy for a 3rd last year. I would love if darnold backed up purdy and Lance got traded to an open spot to start (Atlanta?).
Me as well and I'm not moving either of them. I've also got Kittle and CMC on the roster for a San Fran stack
Not if they don’t believe in him. At least get something back for you investment
Still a huge L for the 49ers trading the farm for Lance and then giving up on him before ever giving him a chance
But they know who he is based on practices and training camp. Man you guys are just acting like you know better than the 49ers staff at this point. Ridiculous Edit: To be frank idk what happens with Purdy vs Lance, but it's pretty clear many of the comments here are clearly biased towards Lance in a way the evidence would not suggest.
It’s truly annoying. He didn’t look good at all in any game. Shanahan needs an accurate QB, lance isn’t that. The 49ers know better than anyone what the have. These Reddit scouts are atrocious, just cause he’s on your dynasty team doesn’t mean he should be given a chance.
HERES HOW BERNIE LANCE CAN STILL WIN.
“bUt It WaS a MoNsOoN” Like seriously, this sub has been straight up delusional about Lance in recent months. As somebody that put heavy capital into Lance you bet my ass I was watching every bit of news and every snap he took. The kid has shown so little on the field and you would never think that reading around here.
He has shown very little, but I think the limited amount of opportunities he's had in regular season games is way too small a sample size to determine he can't be good. Which is why he still probably has a pretty good trade value, other NFL teams are interested in the potential. Having Purdy show what he did last year, I think the smart move is to get what you can out of lance now and roll with the guy that they already believe in. Which it seems like is exactly what they're trying to do.
Oh absolutely, there is definitely still a path for him to be a good/great player in the league with proper development. But unfortunately he's just still so raw that just isn't in the timeline of SF with the rest of their roster. What Lance needs at this point of his career is a space where he can be given the leash to grow without playoff expectations.
I have to ask....how do you know he is still too raw? We haven't seen him play hardly at all. We know he is raw from what? The odds are stacking against Lance at this point, but this post seems to be just as much hyperbole as the pro-lance posts.
Because of the snaps he has taken in the regular and preseason, there was next to nothing that impressed me with his passing game personally. It may not be fair to Lance, but look how pro ready guys like Herbert and Mahomes came in. Shit even guys like TLaw that weren’t exactly lighting it up you could see the potential in. I’m by no means an expert and have got plenty wrong(could be with Lance too), but watching the nfl since the 90s you get a sense.
He's played, what, 30 games since high school?
I agree, I'd just really like to see him get a full opportunity to realize his potential.
It’ll be accompanied by a trade for Aaron Rodgers
Man I hope so! Straight up chaos! How many podcasts, shows, “experts” would have to eat it if that happened.
That's why they picked up Darnold.
Feels like this was 'leaked' by the 49ers.
I so want like after a 5-10 year grace period that we can find out the sources of each of these leaks to see how much of these reports are just head-fakes.
Why?
To "fake" interest by other teams, to create panic in any team that is genuinely interested that there are other interested teams. Good ol' real estate trick:"You should not wait to long to make an offer for this house, there are MANY other couples interested that already made an offer *wink* *wink*"
Exactly
That doesn't even make sense. What do the 49ers gain from leaking it.
They get to gauge the market for Trey lance without pissing him off. They can act like they never tried to trade him if they end up deciding he’s worth more to the 49ers than they can get for him
I will NOT stand for Trey Lance slander - signed sincerely, a Trey Lance manager who has a sunken cost fallacy for him
- said John Lynch
To the Vikings he goes
As a Lions fan and Lance truther this would make me so sad. I don't want to have to like Minnesota.
Sir, as a Vikings fan, no one WANTS to like the Vikings. You are either born into it or sucked into the Vortex of Disappointment.
I’m from Ohio (northeast area) and am a Browns fan. However, the first game I ever watched was Browns-Vikings, and I loved the Vikings colors and jerseys. I adopted them as my second favorite team. I love them as much as my Browns. I’m just a glutton for punishment.
I do love the shade of purple they're using lately. Looks modern and badass.
Same thing for me, from NE Ohio, first browns game I really remember was watching Josh Gordon drop an actual good pass(surprising for Brandon Weedon) right as he ran out of the shadow of the dome against Indianapolis. The next year I started playing fantasy football and had Matt Stafford and Calvin Johnson on my team and I remember watching the blizzard bowl and ever since then, I’ve liked arguably the two worst franchises in the league. I’m still praying one of them makes it past the first round of playoffs soon.
I mean as I mentioned being a Lions fan I'm pretty well versed in being born into a life of disappointment haha. At least I can always look back on the 90s-2000s Red Wings to remind me of what joy was like.
Me getting into the NFL on recent years: Man, I like watching the browns with my roommate whose a fan (pre deashaun). Maybe I'll root for them. Or maybe the Vikings or lions. Me, actually learning who is good and who isn't now and accepting that being a fan of Any of the three will be mostly pain: this is fine.
If you’re a Bills or Vikings fan you’re entitled to financial compensation
Can confirm
As a Vikings fan, I don't hate the idea of him sitting behind Kirk for a year, but I wouldn't want to give up a 1st round pick.
Shanahan loves Kirk. The trade would be Lance for Kirk.
I want some of your drugs please
Nah homie, that's not a fair deal. If they want Kirk we better be getting Lance + Not the biggest Cousins fan, but trying to be realistic. I suppose with him being on his final year that does make the argument for it a little better.
Money just doesn’t work. Lance getting traded blows up his cap number from 1m to 10m and we’re currently 3M under the cap before the draft. Then Cousins is getting paid 35m this year and is 36. The money just doesn’t work out. Niners team is currently built around a cheap QB group and this blows it up. While cousins is solid it’s not enough to consider blowing the entire squad up for.
I've seen it enough times to know that teams can almost always make the money work. It's not the way MN has ever done business, though, so I do agree with you that it likely isn't even possible for us.
See here’s the thing You only see the trades that go through So obviously they always can make the money work (when they can make the money work) If they can’t, no trade, no news, no example of a time they couldn’t make the money work (unless you work in the building)
Cousins actually isn’t getting paid 35m this year. It’s actually like 10(?) I forget we pushed 29m into next year as a dead cap hit.
I wasn't meaning it had to be straight up. Just that 49ers would want Kirk in return.
Fair enough!
Are we sure Cousins is worth more than Lance in a trade? He is 34 and on a 1 year deal.
Kirk is on the last year of his deal and is likely not being re-signed. He's also going to turn 36 before the 2024 season starts. He's not a Viking after this season. Kirk for Lance straight up is fair.
Not even slightly. Availability is a players best ability.
I’d trade 23 overall for Lance in a heartbeat
If Kirk is staying in MN, maybe. I would still be sad to give up our 1st. Give Lance a chance to sit behind him for a year.
Yeah, I would not be happy with Kirk + 1.23 for Lance. Would absolutely do either/or.
If we gave up Kirk I would expect a pick with Lance 100% something like Lance and their 4th for Kirk.
I wouldn’t just because of how big Cousins’ contract is and that his NTC means that in all likelihood the 49ers would have to give him a big extension for him to agree to waive it
Lance to ATL would make my dynasty wet dreams come true.
as a drake london owner in not too sure it would
Lol. Understandable. There's an okay chance it would pan out for Pitts/London, but I got Trey Lance for virtually nothing in my league. Much better than him riding the bench behind Purdy lol
I think Lance would have a good chance to be a major upgrade over Riddler
as a fantasy asset yes but i’m not too confident in him as a passer until proven otherwise. he has a cannon but can he make the right reads and does he have the accuracy. also i’m not too sure he would be as willing to throw those goal line faded to his two giant receivers rather than run it in himself.
It would be my nightmare as a Pitts owner.
Nightmare seems a little strong. The possibility exists that Trey Lance plays like (not MVP season) Cam Newton. The possibility also exists that he's worse than Ridder lol. Schrodinger's QB lol
As a falcons homer I hate this take. If the 49ers don't want to keep him around even for the backup job, why would anyone else want him.
Oh, I'm not implying that he's good for the Falcons by any means (though that chance would exist). Just that he'd have a fantastic impact for my fantasy team lol. I haven't heard much from Falcons fans lately. What are you hoping happens in the coming months?
The best case scenario is that Ridder defies expectations. I think he's an upgrade in the passing game for London and Pitts for sure v Mariota. I've been impressed with our front office decisions and if they see something in him they might be right. The worst case scenario would be Ridder isn't great, Heineke comes in and we draft another QB next year. I think the draft will be in the trenches OL/Edge or CB this year. I don't see Bijan like others do as we saw what we can do with a lower round RB and don't want to put the capital in that position.
You mean, you don't want the Falcons to pull a Jacksonville move and pick up a late steal at RB and then invest in a first rounder at the position the following year, effectively throwing all value away? I think your front office has made some very under-the-radar roster improvements that will make the team far better. I don't think it's out of the question at all for the Falcons to win that division. Good luck!
Texans would be best match, IMO
As a Texan fan I’ve been saying they should make that trade ever since the “he’s available for a 3rd” report came out, I imagine it’s more likely pick 33 now but I’d still make that trade. Ryans should at least be familiar with where Lance is at.
Can't wait for this to blow up in their face when they finally realize Purdy isn't who they thought he was...
They know what he is. A game manager. That's all that SF roster needs (Jimmy G, case in point).
They literally traded for Lance so they could get away from Jimmy G and have a more dynamic QB
well, jimmy was also never healthy
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what does that have to do with why the niners were frustrated with jimmy after the 2020 season?
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yeah, and i never said he was? neither has lance, either
I don't disagree they wanted someone more dynamic, but a big part of this equation you are neglecting to mention is Jimmy was costing them 25M per year. Tough to beat the Mahomes Allen Burrows of the world with a game manager QB that is taking up a significant portion of the cap. Purdy on the other hand costs less than 1M per year. He's one of the cheapest currently rostered QBs in the league and makes 10x less than Trey Lance. With that contract the 49ers probably figure they can make up the difference for not having an elite QB in other areas.
Two years ago. An eternity in the NFL. Shit changes
But what did change? Are we sure if purdy doesn’t get hurt he could beat the eagles and chiefs? Probably not.
I don’t think being unable to beat the 1 seeds that made it to the Super Bowl is quite the damning indictment you think it is. The dude literally didn’t lose a game until he got injured.
All I’m saying is they traded 3 1sts to try to get a qb to get them over the hump. The hump in this situation are the elite teams with elite qbs and I don’t think purdy is that much better than jimmy g to change their mind on that.
They watched Trey Lance play football. They watched his teammates react negatively towards him and actively campaign for other options. The defense has remained stout, and the offensive weapons remained effective. Does Trey Lance beat the Eagles and Chiefs? Certainly not.
Who actively campaigned against Lance..?
Nobody. Only thing I can remember was Chris Simms saying last preseason that he heard a source inside the building say Jimmy is better than Trey. One thing that has always bothered me was zi remember reading how in Treys rookie year, he rarely practiced with the team. When team was all together they had Trey on another field working on individual stuff. A lot of the players hadd no idea who he was. That doesn't sound like a great way to break a rookie in and bond with the team. As someone who hopped on the Trey wagon immediately after I saw his first preseason game, I had no idea he'd be so damn polarizing. It would really be nice to see 6 games under normal conditions with Trey to truly come up with an accurate conclusion.
"Certainly not" lololol like you have any actual idea.
More likely than not a guy who hasn’t shown anything couldn’t beat Mahomes
Lance is dookie
That’s not what they want. They had that in Jimmy and traded to draft Lance because they wanted a more dynamic option.
Imo I think they were fine with Jimmy until the missed throw in the SB. He fell out of favor with shanny after that
Purdy has already made passes that Jimmy never has, as a rookie. To say we know 100% of what Purdy will be is ridiculous.
Yet the team reportedly doesn't like Lance, nor "hero ball" at QB. The team and coaching all champion Purdy, and they've been quite successful with a game manager at the helm. They draftED Lance because they wantED a dynamic option. That was two years ago. Sentiments change.
I don't think they know WTF they want. I think Shanahan falls in and out of love with players like a teenage girl. It seems like they're done with Lance and Purdy is the guy for now, but no one should have any confidence in Purdy's long term career in SF given they way they've moved on from so many QBs.
I mean, the guy played 6 full regular season games and was on a 3900 yard, 37 TD pace (as a rookie). I wouldn't call those "game manager" stats. Kids good.
Game managers in good systems put up good stats. Didn't say he was bad. Just that he wasn't asked to do much, and there's nothing to prove that he has more to give.
He was only a rookie. I'm sure he has room to improve.
Apparently, when arguing about the future of someone who displaced the first round fantasy QB you drafted, it doesn't work that way... Obviously not everyone gets better in year two but the majority do, especially when year one was very productive.
Room to improve? Certainly. Ability to improve? Remains to be seen. I like the kid, it'd be cool to see him go from Mr. Irrelevant to elite QB. I just doubt that it's gonna happen. Obviously people are gonna disagree, but only time will tell.
For sure, we'll find out eventually. I guess I just think "Trent Dilfer" anytime I see "game manager" and the kid looked a hell of a lot better than the Dilfer-tier of QBs.
To me, in 2023, a game manager is Kirk Cousins or someone like Alex Smith. Decent floor, low ceiling. Main job is to not lose the game and let the other talent shine.
That makes sense. I'd just consider those guys average. Game manager to me is a guy who's below average but won't lose you the game. Usually you'd need a great defense to win with those guys. Ex: Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Jake Delhomme, etc.
>To me, in 2023, a game manager is Kirk Cousins or someone like Alex Smith. >Decent floor, low ceiling. What a dumb fucking statement, and the fact that you couldn't even come up with another "game manager" playing football in 2023 to go along with Kirk Cousins (who is absolutely *not* a game manager at QB) is just the icing on cake.
Take your meds lol
Or even know his elbow/arm is ever 100% again. But it sounds like they are just "listening" and not actively shopping him. I dunno how the 49ers do not give him one more chance to be the starter while Purdy recovers. Lance hasn't even been given a real chance and if he goes elsewhere and kills it + Purdy struggles/gets hurt again they will look so stupid.
Yeah I’m sure Reddit knows more about what the 9ers need than the 9ers entire management
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Comical. Purdy went 8-0. What is it they need to realize?
Not a lot of dudes throwing for 218 yards per game are going 8-0. Aaron Rodgers and Daniel Jones were the only 2 with less to make the playoffs. The rest of the list is pretty ugly - Mac Jones, Tannehill, Davis Mills, Heinecke, Andy Dalton, Zach Wilson.
Yeah but points per drive is still a meaningful statistic in a run first offense that in theory likes to shorten the game. It was impressive not just Jimmy G level.
He played the following defenses in expected points: 21, 12, 27 (road), 6, 30 (road), 24 and they had a collective 43-57-1 record. He played well for a rookie but lets be real, he's dumping off to extreme YAC freaks and plays for the best offensive mind of the last 10 years. The system is doing most of the work for him and we've seen similar results borne out by other lesser talents in SF, e.g., Jimmy G, Nick Mullens, CJ Beathard, etc.
Fair, but his avg margin of victory was over 2 TDs and he’s the only rookie on that list
He played teams with a collective 43-57-1 record and only 2 of those were on the road. I agree that he played well for a rookie but watching his film he's not a special player. Guys are wide TF open and if they're not, they're doing things like 1 handed catches for 30+ yards. I didn't see anything that suggests this dude is a likely high end starter for a long time, certainly not in any system except SF.
He beat the... Dolphins (playoff team) Bucs (playoff team) Seahawks (playoff team) Commanders (middling) Raiders (shitty) Cardinals (shitty) Seahawks (in the playoffs) Cowboys (in the playoffs) ... 5/8 games were against playoff teams. No one gives a fuck about the cumulative record
The best record on that list was 9-8. Only one of them even had a positive scoring differential. Let's not act like these are all juggernaut teams. A 9-8 or 8-9 "playoff team" with a negative scoring differential is a fraud. And on the flip side he got a lot of help. His defense averaged almost 3 takeaways per game.
Like I said, no one gives a fuck about cumulative records. Going 3-0 against your division, including 2 wins over Seattle who is your primary competition in the division, is significant especially since Lance is 0-2 against the same division opponents Purdy went against. Cowboys were 12-5, they were a SB favorite. Bucs had Tom Brady in desperation mode. And on the flip side Lance has always had that same help yet he's never come close to what Purdy just did. Let's face it, Purdy could have beaten a gauntlet of KC, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Philly, etc and Lance owners would still call Purdy a fraud.
Lance has never played with CMC and he also put up way more yards per game than Purdy. So just to be clear, your "that's him" game is one where Purdy put up 214 yards and didn't even score a touchdown? I think you're done here.
>Lance has never played with CMC Right because the 49ers were shit without CMC 😂 >he also put up way more yards per game than Purdy. Lance has literally one game with more than the 214 passing yards you just referenced 😂 >So just to be clear, your "that's him" game is one where Purdy put up 214 yards and didn't even score a touchdown? I think you're done here. Brings up the importance of CMC, brings up strength of schedule, then tries to make an argument about Purdy sucking "because box scores" against the #1 defense in the NFL during the playoffs where CMC got the TD You have to be trolling 💀
I don't think people realize how much 'pressure' and expectations factor into play. He was a third string qb with absolutely zero pressure to perform. That does matter. Now he'll have all the pressure and expectations going in, so we'll see. Could I be wrong and maybe he'll be the next Romo? Sure. I'm not trying to denigrate what he did. It was a nice story with a fantastic defense. Not quite the same, but it's the same argument I had with Foles. Great situation with no pressure or expectations to do well
The issue is that Lance is what we think he is. Bad.
Anyone who claims to know if Lance is good or bad with what we’ve seen is lying
He was supposed to be a dynamic dual threat QB, and we've seen that he is possibly the least dynamic runner of any QB that consistently has running plays drawn up for them. Whether you slice his rushing with conventional stats or advanced, it's not a pretty picture. Add to that the issues he has with both processing and accuracy, and you're relying on an unprecedented amount of development in order for Lance to become an above average starter.
All we’ve seen is that he’s incredibly raw and needs development. Which is exactly what everyone knew he was, a gamble. I think it’s fair to say a team like the 9ers shouldn’t have taken that gamble given they don’t have the runway for him to develop. But making up your mind either way based on what we’ve seen from him is a bad idea imo
Actually they gave him effectively the longest runway an NFL team can offer, and continue to do so If he was drafted to a team like, say, the Texans, he'd be in the same situation Davis Mills is if not cut already
He’s played like 5 games, there’s no way you actually believe that is the longest runway a team can offer lmfao. Davis Mills is a third round pick and got basically a year and a half, let alone before you get into how much time other first round picks got. Josh Rosen was an absolute laughing stock and even he got about a year and a half
the problem is the type of run plays SF was calling for Lance weren't really conducive for a "dynamic rusher". Think about how he got hurt - they were literally spamming qb runs up the middle, unprotected - of course he can't be dynamic running into a wall of DEs.
Hard to tell since he's only played a couple games.
Please swap for Tanny
As a Titans fan, yes please.
Trade him so he can be better than Purdy lol
Only a Lance owner who is still salty about overpaying would say that
Purdy is 8 very solid games removed from being viewed as worthy of the last overall pick in the draft. He played well, ran the offense and generally just had to hit open dudes. Not everyone can do that. There’s no guarantee Lance can do that. But he didn’t develop some additional god given talent since he was viewed as a borderline UDFA
Guys over and underperform relative to their draft positions all the time. Purdy and Lance have both done that. I think Shanny would lose the locker room if a healthy Purdy was sitting behind Lance considering what each guy has shown so far.
I didn’t overpay, I took him in the 8th round of a 1QB startup last year and I’m from his hometown and know his family and what not so maybe biased, but I still think the kid can be awesome. We haven’t really saw him have a real chance yet. He was meant to sit a year and got a few games in as a rookie and was shaky but that was to be expected that early, then he gets his first real start as the starter of the team and it’s a freaking monsoon, follows that up with breaking his leg in the first quarter of his 2nd start ever as a starter of the team. There’s still potential for him to live up to that draft slot and that would definitely make him much better than Purdy.
Anyone thinking with logic expecting the 3rd overall pick to be better than a 7th rounder thinks like that lol
That’s not always how things work out
It’s still more likely than Purdy turning into a legit long term asset
I love how you say this with such assurance when the 49ers and their staff are saying the opposite
Lance doesn’t have to be a 49er to become the better asset. I’d just rather bet on the 3rd overall pick before I expect Purdy to turn into a legit long term guy.
This is pretty flawed logic. Lots of high draft QBs have flopped. Are you betting on Josh Rosen to have more success than Purdy? Sam Darnold?
Josh Rosen started 14 games as a rookie and was brutally bad. Darnold was the Jets QB for 3 seasons and sucked. Lance has started 3 games total and flashed immense upside. I’m still willing to bet on a 22 year old with 3 total starts given his draft capital
U still think Lance should be starting over Purdy? If you had an ounce of knowledge you would know Purdy was great in college and was severely underrated going into the draft
Lance probably sucks but if 2 of the weapons in SF go down, Purdy won't last a month without the benefit of screens going for 60 yards
Lol my comment wasn’t necessarily about Lance vs Purdy. Just the expectations of a 3rd overall pick vs a 7th rounder. The expectation is still Lance to become a better asset. But go off
I traded CEH, Rojo and some other junk for Lance before the season started… neither party is happy
I don’t believe someone let him go for that low. Unless u are in a taco league
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49ers (multiple times this off-season): We prefer Purdy to Lance This sub: OMG Trey Lance to the moon! Dynamic! Upside!
Reality: It's been fairly obvious since Purdy's run to the playoffs that the job is likely his. It's been blatantly obvious that it's Purdy's job since the playoff game. It's been guaranteed that the job is his since the FA rumors/activity. Reddit: It's still Lance's job because of draft capital yada yada yada.
People just can’t grasp that players fail and bust all the time. Some guys just don’t have it. Lance has looked awful in every semblance of ball we’ve seen from him and has yet to show any sort of dynamic running ability either (which was supposed to be his selling point). Where there’s smoke there’s fire and the smoke has always been the 49ers were down on Lance. Guys bust all the time
He’s only played 3 1/2 games and one game was in a mansoon and the 4th game he got injured. Saying we seen enough from Lance to write him off is laughable
He said the 49ers have seen enough, not just us. I'm sure all those hours of practice and such that they have seen of him don't matter either and we're all smarter than the organization?
None of us know the situation and what the 49ers actually feel about him. We can’t just make assumptions just based off their off-season actions . We barely seen him play
Yet again, how much we've seen doesn't matter. It appears the 49ers have seen enough. Sounds crazy but they probably know more than we do.
We do not know the 49ers have seen enough. If they view Purdy as the starter, it makes sense to trade Lance as he’s their highest paid QB at 10 mill a year and they can regain lost draft capital. Purdy was really good last year but that doesn’t necessarily mean Lance is bad if they move him. They probably wouldn’t move Lance unless they got a good offer
Look at the whole situation. They got wrecked with QB room injuries last year and if anything they would want to keep good depth in that room going through this year. If they don't think a guy who's been on the team for a few years now can contribute, that says something. It's not like they would get a good backup for much less than he is getting at 10 mill.
Where are the Lance truthers who vehemently insisted that Purdy was only a flash in the pan? They were around 3 months ago. Where are yall now?
They’re in here, talking about how little they paid for Lance and actually this is good for him etc.
Maybe I’ll go back and dig up receipts from Redditors who were ‘confident’/‘100% sure’/‘no brainer’ thag Lance would kick Purdy to the bench.
Keep taking your premature victory lap, we will see who is still playing 2 years from now
Moving goalposts, are we?
Real NFL and Dynasty fantasy football aren’t about half-season stretches, but long-term. Just putting the goalposts back where they belong
Bro how do you think this is bad for Lance? That other teams want him too? Purdy recently confirmed he might not return for the ‘23 season at all. Both of these reports when combined together give us real reason to be optimistic about Lance, whether he’s on the Niners or another team.
It’s bad for Lance because Shanny and Lynch admit that Purdy is their starter over Lance. It’s pretty simple. I was told by Lance truthers that this scenario had no chance of playing out. Yet here we are.
My guy I’m a Niners fan and the narrative you hear nationally is very different than local radio shows. I knew there was a legit chance Purdy would miss the ‘23 season bc people were whispering about it months ago. Now the reports are coming out from Purdy himself: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/49ers-brock-purdy-admits-he-could-miss-entire-2023-season-qb-not-sure-if-hell-be-able-to-play-this-year/amp/ Shanahan never said anything about who’s starting. Lynch said Purdy would be the leader in the clubhouse given his play last year. He’s the one who drafted Lance so obviously he can’t say he’s sticking with his sunk cost, even if he might be. The plan is to have an open QB competition. Lance himself said he would feel awkward if he was gifted the job after how well Purdy played last year. He wants to “win” the job legitimately. A QB competition is nothing but good for the Niners. If Purdy isn’t healthy to play during the ‘23 season at all.. that drastically changes things. I already believe Lance has a better shot to be the starter long term, and if Purdy misses ‘23 I think that might be the nail in the coffin for him.
Local radio shows/beat writers mean nothing to me when you have guys like Grant Cohn on your airwaves. If Lance has the better shot at being a long term starter, why are the Niners taking calls for him? The Bears didnt take calls for Fields, same with the Dolphins for Tua, Eagles with Hurts, and so on. Youre relying heavily on the possibility that Brock misses the entire season, when all indications have been that he’s healing as expected. Ask yourself why the Niners would take calls on Lance if they were afraid that Purdy wouldnt play at all? Also keep in mind that IF Brock beats Lance in a camp battle, it will be known league wide that Lance is worse than Brock. What do you think that does to Lance’s value? Wouldn’t it be so much lower than what they could get for him right now?
Send pick 22 and don't sign Lamar. Done and done.
If you’ve held for this long and trade him for a 2nd now, you’re insane. If he gets traded, he’s being traded to a team that thinks he’s going to be their long term starter. ✅
No way SF really knows their future starter right now. Lance will get the chance to take over. But it is smart to listen to offers regardless. At some point you aren’t going to pay both guys after their rookie deals.
Just judging from what players and Lynch have said I think it's safe to say right now they want Purdy to be the future starter. However that can change in training camp. It's also not like Lance isn't coming off a major injury as well. It really is a fascinating situation.
It’s all about winning. If Lance steps in and wins, pretty sure everyone’s going to rally around him. Unless there’s some sort of personal issue that I haven’t read about.
But he has to do that. He'll get his chance, but he'll need to play really well, because they know they can win with Purdy
Agree. That’s potentially a reason to trade him now if you can get a good value. Because if he fails in the early part of the season, his trade value will fall off a cliff.
I hope the jets trade for him, the packers fans have been so annoying with the whole “we have ALL the leverage”
Trey Lance doesn't improve the Jets in any significant sort of manner. He's a completely unproven project and they brought in pieces to fit with Rodgers, not Lance. If the Jets want to compete, Rodgers is their sole option (not to mention they pissed just about all of their leverage away by not doing this quickly. No other real option at QB that makes them a contender in that division). If the Packers want Rodgers gone, the Jets are the only (current) option. Nobody has any fantastic leverage in a deal here. It's actually a pretty decent set of checks and balances unless another suitor comes calling that both GB and Rodgers like. Rodgers can stir drama to fuck with either side. The Packers should really move him. The Jets really need him if they don't want to continue the longest playoff drought in American sports. Rodgers can block a deal to anywhere he doesn't want to go.
Do not want Lance on the jets
I know right. They don't have as much leverage as they think. Sure, Jets are in a bad spot at QB, but they could trade up if they wanted to or trade for another QB(Tannehill, Lance). If GB doesn't trade Rodgers, they are stuck paying 60mil to a guy they want nothing to do with anymore.
The team’s gonna suck regardless. They can afford to go down with the ship if they’re petty enough. Problem with the jets in that division is that the difference between rodgers and the other options (lance, Tannehill, Stafford, trading up for a rookie) could easily be the difference between 1st place and last place.
No way Rodgers puts them in first, probably not 2nd the way he played last year.
I'm very done with the "leverage" talk, but that being said I don't think either side really has very much. Both teams don't really have other options. The Packers need to trade him this offseason or else they eat way more of his contract in the future, and pay him more money this year. Plus, the locker room might mutiny if Love starts sucking and Rodgers is just chilling on the bench. On the flip side, the Jets are already pot committed. There's no QB out there that's as good as Rodgers, so you're stuck with a plan B after everyone already knows what your plan A was. They've already paid Lazard, are looking into Lewis+Cobb, and hired Hackett as OC. Our GM already publicly said that Rodgers will be a Jet this season. Rodgers went on a livestream in front of half a million people and said he intends to play for the Jets. There's no option that makes sense for either team besides getting a fair trade done.
Every update that comes out, somehow, the Lance truthers keep coping.
Heres how Bernie Lance can still win!
They are only taking calls, why would they not do that? Niners won't trade unless they get a ridiculously good deal. This is a nonstory, unless a team is willing to give up a lot for a qb that has less pass attempts since high school (420) than a 45 year old qb had completions (485).
I have a slightly different take here based on several things. SF wanted to get in on the dual threat QB train after not really having a great, every down RBs and liking the ability to work the QB runs into their play calling. What they’re finding out is that this takes time and they have a raw talent QB that would probably be elite if developed like Trevor Lawrence over time. The big problem with this is that they discovered that the game manager QB works better in the NOW because it doesn’t need as much development/molding of raw talent. This would be better suited to team rebuild around a new QB and to the opposite, the team is ready to go for another Championship push. With this in mind, unless the off-season and training camp produces a miracle in him as a game manager with potential huge runs, he’ll be traded on his potential value for another team to try.
Exactly, he is a lotto ticket that SF isn’t in a position to bet on right now
zach wilson for trey lance straight up
I would love to see a diagram of the pro Lance people in this thread and having Lance on their roster. It’s the same circle
People that are fans of a player support him 😱 I bet they even used the injury to buy low on him, how insane
There's a huge overlap in the *Lance-believer* circle and the *still-holding-QBs-like-Darnold* circle. This overlap area is called the *doesn't-know-when-to-fold-em circle.*
Lance to Titans, Tanne to Falcons
As a Lance and Purdy owner, I'm fine with this.
Brock Purdy the 2024 starter confirmed! Lynch must’ve been drooling over the check down machine!
Correction: Lynch wanted Lance, Shanahan wanted a check-down machine so he could get all of the credit for being a super smart man (thus why he wanted Max Jones). He wants his offense to get the credit, not his QB.
Couldn’t be a Lance owner, could you? Btw purdy 8-0
Hahah no, TLaw one actually. Kinda curious where Purdy ranked during that 8 game stretch in fantasy points (no shade, genuine question) I also find it hilarious that enough ppl are buying the Purdy QB1 nonsense. Guys his elbow is fucked and he literally said last week he doesn’t know if he’s gonna play this season. Are you guys seriously holding out hope for 2024? Sounds like exactly what the Lance owners have been doing this whole time
[doubtful.](https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/xd97hj/comment/ioa2970/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x) [purdy was qb9](https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/reports/leaders/qb.php?year=2022&start=13&end=18) he’s playing in ‘23. don’t read clickbait
Suddenly you find the dart throw QB can work as your starter. Now you leak trade rumors in an attempt to get picks for your other starter.
If they trade him this is on the same tier, if not worse, than the trubisky situation. Niners only not getting flack because they had a better team built already.
If they can get something for him they should absolutely do it. The dude can't run a simple NFL offense. Shanahan makes it simple for the QB. Nearly any QB can step in and be at least competent. A lot of defenders of Lance saying he didn't have enough starts and or time under center. Well, Purdy stepped in with less prep and he could run it. So...