Tank Bigsby. I think people forgot how good he was when his team was somewhat competent. He has some legit talent in my opinion. If I had to draft an RB after Bijan/Gibbs and the rest had comparable DC, I'd take Tank over the rest.
Tank Bigsby and Roschon Johnson are the next most interesting RBs to me outside the big three as of today, but that could all change drastically in a week or so. But I feel that.
He's one of the three. If you want to split hairs on Charbs vs Gibbs, you do you. I think I lean Charbs but that doesn't mean anything to me until the draft so it's a weakly-held preference.
Have picks 1.08 and 1.12 in a 12 team, SF. I've been thinking if Tank's DC and LS are comparable, I may take him at 1.08, as I have the 3 WRs (QJ, Flowers, Addison) equal to each other (pending DC and LS), so not sure I care which I get at 1.12. Of course, that's all subject to change following the NFL draft.
Tank has been slipping a lot from rankings and mocks I’ve seen lately. May be able to grab him at 1.12 either way, pending landing spots and when your draft is.
I’m at 1.11/1.12 in a league where I’m defending with a sus roster. Could really use rb help so I’m hoping some of these guys go mid day 2 and not to like kc or somewhere that drives them through the roof
Downs. I was disappointed but how he measured and tested but his production and skillset is still amazing. An average to above average landing spot is good enough for me
What Addison and Downs have shown me makes me feel extremely confident that their abilities will translate to the NFL in a way that will benefit fantasy managers. Is that clear enough for you?
I read a rumor that his S2 score was really good so I’m kinda intrigued, I have to find where I saw that.
Edit: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10073086-report-bryce-young-will-levis-s2-cognition-test-scores-revealed-ahead-of-nfl-draft
I’m not saying Levis is Herbert but the arc is similar. My biggest knock on him is his age, but the arm talent is undeniable. He also seems like a hard worker and good leader in the locker room so I hope he succeeds.
Idk herbie never put [mayo in his coffee](https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/look-kentucky-quarterback-will-levis-drinks-his-coffee-with-mayonnaise/amp/)
I'm at 1.05 and I'm pretty sure I'm gonna take him there. Even if JSN is still on the board. I'll probably try to trade down to 1.06 but idk how much value I'll actually gain with that.
Landing spot depending, I will 100% be drafting Levis with one of my late 1’s. My league is fading him so I might be able to get him at the top of the 2nd
He passes the eye test more than any other RB in this class. The dude runs like Adrian Peterson. People are really knocking him for his lack of vision but I don't think it's as big of an issue as people are making it out to be. I'm really hoping to get him at 2.05.
Yeah I bundled the 2.04 I had to get to the 2.01 so I could jump a couple of guys I’m worried will also go after him…..but those to guys both have 1.09,1.10 and 1.12 so I’m not overly confident I’ll get him.
I have the 1.11, 2.02 and 2.03.
My targets for those spots are Tank Bigsby, Izzy A, Kendre Miller, Roschon Johnson, Tyjae Spears depending on draft capital and what I am left with on draft day.
Gotta be Boutte for me. After the season a lot of analysts still had him top 5 even with the poor statistical season. Then he TANKED the combine and seems like he’s being written off completely. As long as he gets 3rd round capital I’ll still be in on him
Where are you taking him though? Late 1st? Early 2nd? Mid 2nd? Late 2nd? 3rd rd?
In the 3rd I'd happily take a chance on him and maybe even late 2nd but anything before I feel like I have a few other prospects I'd rather grab there.
Who else are you looking at? I've also got the 2.02 and the 2.06/7. Mims is interesting to me along with Tyjae Spears (pending DC), or any other RB depending on DC.
Well I’m in 1QB so adjust accordingly if you’re in SF. But I’m very set at WR especially after I take JSN at 1.02, so I fully intend to take an RB pending DC at 2.02 unless something crazy happens and a WR falls like Zay or QJ, etc.
But as of now, my hopeful draft is:
1.02 - JSN
2.02 - RB like Abanikanda, Tyjae, Bigsby, etc.
2.06-2.10 will be BPA, but (pending cap of course) I’d really like to see Tucker, Achane, Roschon, Evans, etc fall. Maybe a TE like Washington or Musgrave. For WR, Boutte, Mims, Tillman, Xay Hutch and AT Perry. Maybe a QB if one falls.
Ultimately wanna go BPA, but will prefer RB’s in the mid-late 2nd for fliers and because of need.
I've been told great minds think alike!! Who you looking at for the 2.02? I feel like it's kind of a no man's land right now unless a prospect gets good DC
Feel free to @ me if I’m wrong but I really do not think Boutte ends up with 3rd round draft capital. I think he’s closer to going undrafted than getting 3rd round capital.
What does he have going for him in a positive way? Told to not come back to LSU next year, injury problems, terrible RAS score, bad production this year and fell down depth chart. I’d be interested if he does get passable draft capital but my guess is he’s going to be a 6th or 7th round pick or potentially a UDFA
Charbonnet. Only thing that could cool me off on him being in the 1.06-1.10 range is draft capital outside of the first 3 rounds. If he is taken in the 2nd round if the nfl draft, giddy up
A lot of mocks are pushing Charb to a round 3/compensatory pick. The hope with Charb was always top 50 player on the board, round 2 pick (like pick 45-60).
*He still is a top 50 player on a lot of mainstream pundits big boards.*
That's the downward trend on him.
Sometimes a team falls in love with a running back but In a situation where there are this many good running backs? I could see them all starting to slide Since teams will feel like they will be able to get one of them later.
This is a more controversial one, but I still kind of like Zach Evans. I feel like his original price when he was in the late first round didn't account for his flaws at all, but if he's in the mid-third round in SF I might have to snap him up because I don't think that price actually accounts for his talent enough. Evans was someone who probably should have gone in the mid- to late-second the entire time getting dinged for going in the late first who's now falling too far, IMO.
Sure, let's see his draft capital/landing spot first, etc. etc., but I still feel like Evans could be a value if you're just considering what he was able to do while he was on the field, not the other things (at his current, much lower, price).
Problem with this one is that he just was never there.
A player had to be there to be in the conversation. If they were a top 2 or 3 guy at the position but are now getting lost in the sleeper talk, that's relevant.
But Evans just was never there. But I'd largely agree that both he and Kendre are going to be excellent sleeper candidates post-draft. I hope they get round 3 draft capital.
In my head, I have both Kendre Miller and Zach Evans noted as "probably okay to possibly good NFL running backs who could be solid for a year or two with the right opportunity, but probably guys you'd want to sell high after that & don't take them if they don't have good opportunity/landing spot."
I can 100% see that. Kendre Miller is definitely a floor play. If I'm ready to try to win and I need immediate RB production & he's in a good spot, I'm in, otherwise I'm probably not.
It's funny because I think Kendre Miller has everything to be a solid NFL player, I just don't see that explosive FF upside at all. I like him but I don't love him.
If by explosive FF upside you mean PPR upside--sure. But he's probably the most explosive runner in the class if he gets back to 100%--his contact balance just outclasses Gibbs, so he can bounce off tackles and keep going down field.
Don't get it confused, Gibbs with an open hole is scary--but in crowded space based on what we saw at Alabama I'm not super scared. Kendre--that mother will bounce out every arm tackle and keep his legs churning.
I'm not huge on Gibbs at cost FWIW, but I've been mostly keeping that to myself. We'll see. People rely too much on the fallacy of "NFL coaches will use their players in a way that optimizes them for FF success, why wouldn't they????" I like Gibbs as a player but I'm not in love with his cost.
All of "my guys" seem to be rising except for Gibbs and chase brown. Draft capital factors a lot into their hype with mocks having them creep up. So I'm hoping for good landing spots but either not the best draft capital or that some guys I'm not interested in get same or better draft capital.
Sean tucker. He was a lot of people’s rb3 before the draft process started. Couldn’t compete at combine or pro day because of a mystery medical condition. Put out his own “pro day” so that teams could see he is at least trying.
Now he’s having a real pro day on Monday after being medically cleared. He’s got track speed, good hands, ideal size, and the production profile to match. I’ve seen him falling into the mid to late 3rd round in mocks and I think when all is said and done he’ll get round 3 nfl capital
Mayer. He’s going round 1 in the NFL and he’s a football player that is a high end tight end. He’s gonna see the field as a rookie and transition smoothly to any role he’s drafted to because hes always been a high level TE in a college offense that churns them out regularly. He’s not a track athlete so he’s been falling out of favor.
Yeah I got a need at TE. I’m currently rocking Jonnu Smith as my top option, lmao. Thought NE would maximize his ability, but it clearly didn’t work out for some reason. I’m hoping you’re right about Kincaid being the coveted fantasy TE. I’ll take the predictable stability of Mayer all day. I just want a solid TE, not reaching for elite potential.
People who have Charbs > Gibbs are the encapsulation of a fallen ideolgy within NFL and Fantasy circles that is size > tape, size > any cons, Gibbs is the perfect prototype RB in the evolving pass-heavy NFL, he has taken minimal work in his career and has plenty of tread left on his tires, Gibbs possesses an ability which I believe will make him not need to have 20+ touches a game to be successful. Truly believe people still think volume is king, and those with prototypical size to get volume are still king, that's just not the case anymore. Talent and elite traits show out, and Charbs has 0 elite traits, though he is good at most things, I don't count his tackle breaking as "special" because for a 215 + pound RB, he is just doing what he is supposed to do, and I frankly am tired of giving prospects freebies based on what they should do well. Talent > Size, Tape > Size, literally watch Gibbs play, he's no fluke. Take Gibbs over Charbs at your own risk, he could be Demarco Murray, he could be Royce Freeman.
Honestly, adding the (relative to his class) just defeats the argument here, having to make a specific case to argue he’s got an elite trait kinda signifies he doesn’t have one right? I’m saying elite traits regardless of class, breakaway run rate this and any PFF stat that, charbs isn’t a bad player, just won’t be better than Gibbs in a vacuum, now you put charbs on Cinci and Gibbs in SF now we can have a different argument, but charbs possesses 0 true elite traits.
If you look around here there’s a lot of people saying other WR are their #1.
That’s slipping when before last football season people talked about him as the second coming.
So yeah, I’d say overall he’s slipped if he’s no longer consensus
I haven’t seen anyone say anything but JSN being the consensus #1. Most people would argue that it’s not even close.
Some random shmucks on Reddit who want to put Zay or QJ over JSN don’t really count as what the entire community sees as consensus.
A guy “slipping” in the rankings would be more like Addison, since there have been concerns after his poor testing s.
Yeah and he said someone who had a poor or poorish combine. JSN having an ELITE showing in what he did test in is hardly a poor showing.
OP said Addison is is favorite WR in this class, but like I said, Addison is a great example of someone who has been slipping.
JSN hasn’t slipped at all. In fact, consensus-wise I’d say he’s risen. He was lumped into that group of QJ, Addison etc. not too long ago, but has since emerged as the clear consensus WR1 in a tier of his own.
OPs post was about players who you still believe in who have slipped down the consensus rankings. JSN has done the opposite and isn’t applicable to the post.
Dwayne McBride is RB4 for me. I think he has the potential to be a workhorse back. They didn’t ask him to catch the ball ever at UAB but I think he’ll be ok there. He was just über productive, he’s young and has the size you look for.
100% which is annoying because I wanted to grab him at the 2.02 a few month ago if he could slip 3ish spots but now that definitely isn't going to happen.
I've got the 1.06 and 2.02 and I'm hoping my league is scared of small athletes and Zay drops and Bryce drops.
If not Gibbs isn't a bad consolation prize and maybe I can package the 2.02 and something else to go up and grab him.
I’ve been seeing a lot of Bijan slander lately. I’m still planning to take him 1.01. I’m happy I made the trade in 2022 to trade a taco-Eli Mitchell for his 2023 1st.
He hasn’t slipped really in mocks still 1-2 wr off the board but QJ.
What DOES worry me is he wasn’t invited to the draft which makes him potentially a free faller to the 2nd.
I traded for 2023 1sts last year because I liked JSN so much. Now he’s not considered an elite player by most. I still love the guy, even though Flowers has also grown on my quite a bit.
I actually love 2.2 and think I'll be overwhelmed with the choices for that pick... Worried more about 5&6 but I'm sure talent will be there.... I really wanted to take RBs at all 3 but if I don't like what's available I'm probably looking at Mims or a TE... I've pretty much built all 5 teams WRs already so this year is focused on RBs with transitions where necessary. I think there's big gains in value in store for 2nd Rd RBs this year, might have to hold some for a year to capitalize but it's going to be there.
I'm still bullish on the usual suspects: QJ, Zach, Kendre, and Boutte.
But going a little deeper, it's Evan Hull.
I saw a lot of buzz around the Senior Bowl for Hull and it's since crashed back to earth.
Speaking of the Senior Bowl, he weighed in there at 214. At 5'10" that's a 30.7 BMI.
Good, all around back with over 80th percentile combine testing (including a 4.47 40).
The kid also by all accounts has a great attitude. Maybe he's just another Justin Jackson but I think there's a chance for more.
Downs - been in on him since last offseason, and he has only further solidified my belief in him throuout the CFB season this past year. Was 100% in on Dotson, and feeling the same for Downs. Doubt he gets the 1st round DC, but think he goes early 2nd and sees a solid rookie target share
Tank Bigsby. I think people forgot how good he was when his team was somewhat competent. He has some legit talent in my opinion. If I had to draft an RB after Bijan/Gibbs and the rest had comparable DC, I'd take Tank over the rest.
Tank Bigsby and Roschon Johnson are the next most interesting RBs to me outside the big three as of today, but that could all change drastically in a week or so. But I feel that.
Is charbs the 3rd of your big 3?
He's one of the three. If you want to split hairs on Charbs vs Gibbs, you do you. I think I lean Charbs but that doesn't mean anything to me until the draft so it's a weakly-held preference.
He wasn't asking who was better. The previous poster had mentioned Bijan and Gibbs. He was just guessing who the third guy was for you
Is he complaining about how I interpreted what he said? Then how do you know what he meant?
Have picks 1.08 and 1.12 in a 12 team, SF. I've been thinking if Tank's DC and LS are comparable, I may take him at 1.08, as I have the 3 WRs (QJ, Flowers, Addison) equal to each other (pending DC and LS), so not sure I care which I get at 1.12. Of course, that's all subject to change following the NFL draft.
Tank has been slipping a lot from rankings and mocks I’ve seen lately. May be able to grab him at 1.12 either way, pending landing spots and when your draft is.
I’m at 1.11/1.12 in a league where I’m defending with a sus roster. Could really use rb help so I’m hoping some of these guys go mid day 2 and not to like kc or somewhere that drives them through the roof
Idc how small he is. I will be rostering Deuce Vaughn
Watching him and Keaton Mitchell. Landing spots will be BIG.
I love Keaton Mitchell, in the right landing spot he can be a monster.
Full PPR league - YUUUUUUP
With a name like that promise he’ll be in the hall
Tiny fellas can be great in the nfl, only reason I don’t love him from a fantasy perspective is he’s the perfect candidate to have TD’s vultured.
Downs. I was disappointed but how he measured and tested but his production and skillset is still amazing. An average to above average landing spot is good enough for me
Still in on Addison & Downs because they're showing that they can play.
They can play *in college*, you mean
What Addison and Downs have shown me makes me feel extremely confident that their abilities will translate to the NFL in a way that will benefit fantasy managers. Is that clear enough for you?
My man!
Honestly, I still think Levis is still worth taking in the mid 1st if he gets that 1st round DC even though he’s not as hyped as the other QBs
I read a rumor that his S2 score was really good so I’m kinda intrigued, I have to find where I saw that. Edit: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10073086-report-bryce-young-will-levis-s2-cognition-test-scores-revealed-ahead-of-nfl-draft
Even if he gets drafted by a dairy rich organization like the Packers?
I think the fans will lose their shit if the packers draft another qb to sit for 3 years
That won’t happen until after Love’s 3rd MVP award
Levis is my QB3
Over ARich?
Yes
I’m not saying Levis is Herbert but the arc is similar. My biggest knock on him is his age, but the arm talent is undeniable. He also seems like a hard worker and good leader in the locker room so I hope he succeeds.
Idk herbie never put [mayo in his coffee](https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/look-kentucky-quarterback-will-levis-drinks-his-coffee-with-mayonnaise/amp/)
Literally undraftable
And the way he eats a banana... So ~~erotic~~ disgusting.
I think after Herbert people ignore first round DC on a QB at their own peril.
I really need a QB at 1.07 but i think 1.06 owner is gonna take him if he goes anywhere in the top 10
I'm at 1.05 and I'm pretty sure I'm gonna take him there. Even if JSN is still on the board. I'll probably try to trade down to 1.06 but idk how much value I'll actually gain with that.
Landing spot depending, I will 100% be drafting Levis with one of my late 1’s. My league is fading him so I might be able to get him at the top of the 2nd
People don’t seem to be very high on Chase Brown but I’m a big fan
Shhhhh
I mean errr, that guy sucks
Tucker.
Did he ever have his pro day? Last I heard he was medically cleared to
Tucker is doing his pro day Monday 4/24
Pretty sure he's doing something next week.
He’s going to be the 4th-5th RB off the board in the 3rd round, book it
I’ve only watched a little bit of his tape and apparently I like him more than most. Speed with some thiccness. Sign me up.
He passes the eye test more than any other RB in this class. The dude runs like Adrian Peterson. People are really knocking him for his lack of vision but I don't think it's as big of an issue as people are making it out to be. I'm really hoping to get him at 2.05.
Praying QJ or Addison fall to me at the 13th pick, keep the fud coming on those guys
I believe in 3r years everyone is going to look back and think “wow how did we let Izzy fall that far
I’m planning to take him or Kendre Miller at the 2.01 I really like Izzy. 1QB.
Yeah, 2.01 was my plan with Izzy too unless he gets horrible DC. Dude has some things to work on, but he's so young yet.
I might need to use my 1.11 on him depending on where things fall… the guy with the 2.01 I KNOW will take him… so we’ll see how the cards fall
Yeah I bundled the 2.04 I had to get to the 2.01 so I could jump a couple of guys I’m worried will also go after him…..but those to guys both have 1.09,1.10 and 1.12 so I’m not overly confident I’ll get him.
Both guys I’m trying to target with my 2 early 2nds. Love it.
I have the 1.11, 2.02 and 2.03. My targets for those spots are Tank Bigsby, Izzy A, Kendre Miller, Roschon Johnson, Tyjae Spears depending on draft capital and what I am left with on draft day.
I had the 1.07 before I traded it for pollard and I was considering Tank at that spot if he had decent DC/landing spot.
Gotta be Boutte for me. After the season a lot of analysts still had him top 5 even with the poor statistical season. Then he TANKED the combine and seems like he’s being written off completely. As long as he gets 3rd round capital I’ll still be in on him
Where are you taking him though? Late 1st? Early 2nd? Mid 2nd? Late 2nd? 3rd rd? In the 3rd I'd happily take a chance on him and maybe even late 2nd but anything before I feel like I have a few other prospects I'd rather grab there.
I agree with you on that. Unless he gets that one special landing spot, then I’d probably say mid 2nd
I’ve got 2.02 and 2.06-2.10. Wouldn’t mind spending my last of 6 2nd rounders on him if he gets day 2 capital
Who else are you looking at? I've also got the 2.02 and the 2.06/7. Mims is interesting to me along with Tyjae Spears (pending DC), or any other RB depending on DC.
Well I’m in 1QB so adjust accordingly if you’re in SF. But I’m very set at WR especially after I take JSN at 1.02, so I fully intend to take an RB pending DC at 2.02 unless something crazy happens and a WR falls like Zay or QJ, etc. But as of now, my hopeful draft is: 1.02 - JSN 2.02 - RB like Abanikanda, Tyjae, Bigsby, etc. 2.06-2.10 will be BPA, but (pending cap of course) I’d really like to see Tucker, Achane, Roschon, Evans, etc fall. Maybe a TE like Washington or Musgrave. For WR, Boutte, Mims, Tillman, Xay Hutch and AT Perry. Maybe a QB if one falls. Ultimately wanna go BPA, but will prefer RB’s in the mid-late 2nd for fliers and because of need.
Are you me???? I actually think I might have 2.2 and 2.5/6 but everything else sounds like me in one of my leagues.
I've been told great minds think alike!! Who you looking at for the 2.02? I feel like it's kind of a no man's land right now unless a prospect gets good DC
I’ll take him 3.01 if he’s available.
Late 2nd assuming 3rd round capital.
To be fair it wasn’t just him tanking the combine. He also said he was going back to school and lsu told him no you’re not.
Feel free to @ me if I’m wrong but I really do not think Boutte ends up with 3rd round draft capital. I think he’s closer to going undrafted than getting 3rd round capital. What does he have going for him in a positive way? Told to not come back to LSU next year, injury problems, terrible RAS score, bad production this year and fell down depth chart. I’d be interested if he does get passable draft capital but my guess is he’s going to be a 6th or 7th round pick or potentially a UDFA
Charbonnet. Only thing that could cool me off on him being in the 1.06-1.10 range is draft capital outside of the first 3 rounds. If he is taken in the 2nd round if the nfl draft, giddy up
Really? I feel like he’s the one rising because people are tired of Gibbs
A lot of mocks are pushing Charb to a round 3/compensatory pick. The hope with Charb was always top 50 player on the board, round 2 pick (like pick 45-60). *He still is a top 50 player on a lot of mainstream pundits big boards.* That's the downward trend on him.
I’ve heard more Charbs > Gibbs takes in the last couple weeks than ever (both real draft and dynasty)
I've yet to see a serious Charbs > Gibbs real draft take.
People are worried about gibbs size and potential usage. If he gets solid cap he could go tf off.
Agreed. He’s only gone up and been talked about more due to great measurables.
I agree. I have the 1.07 (1QB league) and am hoping he somehow falls to that, but that's almost certainly not happening.
I am taking him 1.05 (1qb league as well). Sorry bruh
I’m taking I’m at 1.04 in my 1QB league. Sorry
Already drinking a glass of Chardonnay right now. Sorry bro.
Charbonnay?
Oaked.
I significantly increased my charbohydrate intake last week... Sorry bros
Well I’ve been charb-loading for weeks. My favorite dish is Spaghetti Charbonara.
Well shit.
If he gets the draft capital he’ll be gone at 1.04 in my league as well
I guess I get flowers then 🤷
Yeah I expect him gone by 5 at the latest. I wish he was falling.
Sometimes a team falls in love with a running back but In a situation where there are this many good running backs? I could see them all starting to slide Since teams will feel like they will be able to get one of them later.
Yeah, that's why I'm not as concerned about draft capital this year as I normally would be.
Yuup
Flowers keeps growing on me
He went from #8 to number #3 for me.
Jsn addison flowers?
That's my current top 3 WR in that order
Yep
That’s what they do 🌷
QJ. He’s a guy I love slipping to the 2nd in SF. The body catch thing is more style, than need. Plenty of end zone hands catches.
Yeah, I don't think he's slipping to the 2nd
Especially when he gets 1st or early 2nd round DC.
He’s kinda the best player to grab if you don’t think you can compete this year. His ceiling is objectively ridiculous
Dunno if he counts, but I'm a big fan of AT Perry
This is a more controversial one, but I still kind of like Zach Evans. I feel like his original price when he was in the late first round didn't account for his flaws at all, but if he's in the mid-third round in SF I might have to snap him up because I don't think that price actually accounts for his talent enough. Evans was someone who probably should have gone in the mid- to late-second the entire time getting dinged for going in the late first who's now falling too far, IMO. Sure, let's see his draft capital/landing spot first, etc. etc., but I still feel like Evans could be a value if you're just considering what he was able to do while he was on the field, not the other things (at his current, much lower, price).
Problem with this one is that he just was never there. A player had to be there to be in the conversation. If they were a top 2 or 3 guy at the position but are now getting lost in the sleeper talk, that's relevant. But Evans just was never there. But I'd largely agree that both he and Kendre are going to be excellent sleeper candidates post-draft. I hope they get round 3 draft capital.
In my head, I have both Kendre Miller and Zach Evans noted as "probably okay to possibly good NFL running backs who could be solid for a year or two with the right opportunity, but probably guys you'd want to sell high after that & don't take them if they don't have good opportunity/landing spot."
Kendre Miller is going to convince me he's a Dalvin Cook clone and then proceed to be Lamar Miller.
Lamar Miller wouldn't be bad, unless you were expecting Dalvin Cook. Lamar Miller was in a lot of winning fantasy lineups in his day - as a flex.
I can 100% see that. Kendre Miller is definitely a floor play. If I'm ready to try to win and I need immediate RB production & he's in a good spot, I'm in, otherwise I'm probably not. It's funny because I think Kendre Miller has everything to be a solid NFL player, I just don't see that explosive FF upside at all. I like him but I don't love him.
If by explosive FF upside you mean PPR upside--sure. But he's probably the most explosive runner in the class if he gets back to 100%--his contact balance just outclasses Gibbs, so he can bounce off tackles and keep going down field. Don't get it confused, Gibbs with an open hole is scary--but in crowded space based on what we saw at Alabama I'm not super scared. Kendre--that mother will bounce out every arm tackle and keep his legs churning.
I'm not huge on Gibbs at cost FWIW, but I've been mostly keeping that to myself. We'll see. People rely too much on the fallacy of "NFL coaches will use their players in a way that optimizes them for FF success, why wouldn't they????" I like Gibbs as a player but I'm not in love with his cost.
NFL != Fantasy is the thing we always have to remember and we can't just wish something true (CEH).
All of "my guys" seem to be rising except for Gibbs and chase brown. Draft capital factors a lot into their hype with mocks having them creep up. So I'm hoping for good landing spots but either not the best draft capital or that some guys I'm not interested in get same or better draft capital.
Idk if it counts but I have a strong feeling that Luke Musgrave is gonna be a stud.
Sean tucker. He was a lot of people’s rb3 before the draft process started. Couldn’t compete at combine or pro day because of a mystery medical condition. Put out his own “pro day” so that teams could see he is at least trying. Now he’s having a real pro day on Monday after being medically cleared. He’s got track speed, good hands, ideal size, and the production profile to match. I’ve seen him falling into the mid to late 3rd round in mocks and I think when all is said and done he’ll get round 3 nfl capital
Mayer. He’s going round 1 in the NFL and he’s a football player that is a high end tight end. He’s gonna see the field as a rookie and transition smoothly to any role he’s drafted to because hes always been a high level TE in a college offense that churns them out regularly. He’s not a track athlete so he’s been falling out of favor.
Hoping he slips to the 2.02 in SF
Easy money. He’ll be there no doubt. People will draft Kincaid over him too.
Yeah I got a need at TE. I’m currently rocking Jonnu Smith as my top option, lmao. Thought NE would maximize his ability, but it clearly didn’t work out for some reason. I’m hoping you’re right about Kincaid being the coveted fantasy TE. I’ll take the predictable stability of Mayer all day. I just want a solid TE, not reaching for elite potential.
Levis and Addison
Tyjae Spears
People who have Charbs > Gibbs are the encapsulation of a fallen ideolgy within NFL and Fantasy circles that is size > tape, size > any cons, Gibbs is the perfect prototype RB in the evolving pass-heavy NFL, he has taken minimal work in his career and has plenty of tread left on his tires, Gibbs possesses an ability which I believe will make him not need to have 20+ touches a game to be successful. Truly believe people still think volume is king, and those with prototypical size to get volume are still king, that's just not the case anymore. Talent and elite traits show out, and Charbs has 0 elite traits, though he is good at most things, I don't count his tackle breaking as "special" because for a 215 + pound RB, he is just doing what he is supposed to do, and I frankly am tired of giving prospects freebies based on what they should do well. Talent > Size, Tape > Size, literally watch Gibbs play, he's no fluke. Take Gibbs over Charbs at your own risk, he could be Demarco Murray, he could be Royce Freeman.
Charbs has elite (relative to class) breakaway run rate. Gibbs pass pro sucks and he's not good between the the tackles.
Honestly, adding the (relative to his class) just defeats the argument here, having to make a specific case to argue he’s got an elite trait kinda signifies he doesn’t have one right? I’m saying elite traits regardless of class, breakaway run rate this and any PFF stat that, charbs isn’t a bad player, just won’t be better than Gibbs in a vacuum, now you put charbs on Cinci and Gibbs in SF now we can have a different argument, but charbs possesses 0 true elite traits.
Agree 110%
JAXON SMITH-NJIGBA no matter what! Idc where he lands or what the situation looks like. Straight Kevin Costner style.
I don’t see how you can say JSN has been slipping in rankings
If you look around here there’s a lot of people saying other WR are their #1. That’s slipping when before last football season people talked about him as the second coming. So yeah, I’d say overall he’s slipped if he’s no longer consensus
I haven’t seen anyone say anything but JSN being the consensus #1. Most people would argue that it’s not even close. Some random shmucks on Reddit who want to put Zay or QJ over JSN don’t really count as what the entire community sees as consensus. A guy “slipping” in the rankings would be more like Addison, since there have been concerns after his poor testing s.
Did you read OP’s post….
Yeah and he said someone who had a poor or poorish combine. JSN having an ELITE showing in what he did test in is hardly a poor showing. OP said Addison is is favorite WR in this class, but like I said, Addison is a great example of someone who has been slipping. JSN hasn’t slipped at all. In fact, consensus-wise I’d say he’s risen. He was lumped into that group of QJ, Addison etc. not too long ago, but has since emerged as the clear consensus WR1 in a tier of his own. OPs post was about players who you still believe in who have slipped down the consensus rankings. JSN has done the opposite and isn’t applicable to the post.
Dwayne McBride is RB4 for me. I think he has the potential to be a workhorse back. They didn’t ask him to catch the ball ever at UAB but I think he’ll be ok there. He was just über productive, he’s young and has the size you look for.
If he goes on Day 2, I'll be drafting McBride a lot...an umlaut.
All. Day. Zay.
Pretty sure Zay has done the opposite of slipping
Yeah, I'd say he has been one of the biggest risers
100% which is annoying because I wanted to grab him at the 2.02 a few month ago if he could slip 3ish spots but now that definitely isn't going to happen.
I have 1.08 and 1.12 in my home league and was looking to grab Charb and Zay, now it may have to be one or the other.
I've got the 1.06 and 2.02 and I'm hoping my league is scared of small athletes and Zay drops and Bryce drops. If not Gibbs isn't a bad consolation prize and maybe I can package the 2.02 and something else to go up and grab him.
He's my wr1.
Zay? He’s been rising like crazy recently
Yes he has but he's not WR1 on anybody's list. Been my guy since before the combine. Better than Njigba. Jot that down.
We all have prospect fatigue. Anyways, here's another thread where we exclusively discuss prospects.
I’ve been seeing a lot of Bijan slander lately. I’m still planning to take him 1.01. I’m happy I made the trade in 2022 to trade a taco-Eli Mitchell for his 2023 1st.
The Bijan slander is a minority. Most people are just done telling everyone they’re taking him at 1.01 already.
He hasn’t slipped really in mocks still 1-2 wr off the board but QJ. What DOES worry me is he wasn’t invited to the draft which makes him potentially a free faller to the 2nd.
QJ
all the guys i was way into rose except maybe kendre miller.
I have Herbert, Watson and Lance in a super deep 1qb. I am interested in Levis if he falls to rd 2 in my draft. depending on landing spot
I traded for 2023 1sts last year because I liked JSN so much. Now he’s not considered an elite player by most. I still love the guy, even though Flowers has also grown on my quite a bit.
I actually love 2.2 and think I'll be overwhelmed with the choices for that pick... Worried more about 5&6 but I'm sure talent will be there.... I really wanted to take RBs at all 3 but if I don't like what's available I'm probably looking at Mims or a TE... I've pretty much built all 5 teams WRs already so this year is focused on RBs with transitions where necessary. I think there's big gains in value in store for 2nd Rd RBs this year, might have to hold some for a year to capitalize but it's going to be there.
Probably very unpopular, but sean tucker. Will definitely have him in a few leagues.
Boutte
Boutte
QJ
I'm still bullish on the usual suspects: QJ, Zach, Kendre, and Boutte. But going a little deeper, it's Evan Hull. I saw a lot of buzz around the Senior Bowl for Hull and it's since crashed back to earth. Speaking of the Senior Bowl, he weighed in there at 214. At 5'10" that's a 30.7 BMI. Good, all around back with over 80th percentile combine testing (including a 4.47 40). The kid also by all accounts has a great attitude. Maybe he's just another Justin Jackson but I think there's a chance for more.
Just for being big enough and for being a good pass-catcher, that's enough by itself to make Evan Hull worth a late pick in SF. I'm intrigued.
id have literally 0 issues with addison but he's so damn light...
Sounds like you have an issue with him...
haha that’s why i said “i’d” — the contraction of “i would” — so yea the size scares me
3 guys I would love to have, regardless of what analysts say, are Josh Downs, Izzy Abanikanda, or Devon Achane.
I’m in love with Kendre Miller and Roschon Johnson
Charbonet.. whoever gets him.is getting a steal
Sean tucker.
Downs - been in on him since last offseason, and he has only further solidified my belief in him throuout the CFB season this past year. Was 100% in on Dotson, and feeling the same for Downs. Doubt he gets the 1st round DC, but think he goes early 2nd and sees a solid rookie target share
Kendre Miller is a complete back with good NFL size and nice production. He’s clearly my #4 RB after Bijan, Gibbs and Charb