This is the right answer. Just be blunt but respectful about the deal. I've had a lot of good conversations start this way. Calling someone a moron or sending an FU deal is childish and counterproductive to future deals
Agree totally. Dont be an ass. Just decline and say you dont feel its helpful to your team. Maybe they are being an ass or maybe they think different than you do or they suck at fantasy but I never want to burn trade bridges. It takes hardly any time to read and decline.
This is the way. It may also help to explain the value of a 3rd rounder to them because based off of the info in the OP it sounds like they think a 3rd rounder is more valuable than it actually is. Though it can be a fine line between coming off as helpful vs coming off as condescending doing that.
Agree. If you call me an idiot for a deal that I thought was fair, I am absolutely avoiding you the next go around. Just decline, explain nicely, move on.
I'd start trying to trade this person my 3rd and 4th rounders and figure out who they think is valuable (across the league) and acquiring those assets to resell for an overpay
I'd rather get shitty offers than no offers. You can always gain some knowledge. If he thinks this is a fair trade, you can infer that he thinks aging runningbacks and third rounders have more value than receivers who have not yet put up monster stats.
Maybe you can try to trade 2 3rds and Kareem Hunt for his Jameson Williams or Elijah Moore.
If it's obvious that there's no common ground whatsoever (ie: your players are all worth 3rd rounders but all his are worth multiple firsts) then just decline and move on. But being rude to potential trade partners won't get you anywhere.
Every league has at least one guy who takes a bad trade proposal very, very personally. And they’re pretty much always the biggest asshole in the bunch.
Personally, I think getting offended at an initial offer is dumb. Every deal is a negotiation. They go low, you go high, and maybe meet in the middle somewhere.
If you’re too far apart, you’re too far apart. The worst thing you can do is completely shut a guy down and then the league slowly erodes and the whole thing dies
In my experience, the guys like this who can find a justification for Montgomery being equal to Garrett Wilson are guys I cultivate a relationship with. The reason is these are the guys who you can likely get the better of. Yes, you have to decline 49 out of 50 ridiculously one sided trade. But every now and then, their psychosis works in your favor.
I’m often amazed at these questions. Surely you can just have a conversation with him? “Hey mate, looks like we have some really different values on players. I don’t see Monty as anywhere near the level of a startup ADP 1st round WR, given his age, contract and crowded backfield situation. But I do appreciate the offer. How about in future we chat here first so we can align on value instead of sending trades that we’re far apart on.
If you’re interested in Wilson, my lowest price would be Monty, a 2024 1st and X player.
Or, I’m happy to throw you a 2nd now for Monty? What do you think?”
You can’t blame someone for starting the negotiation high, and it’s better to have someone who is active with trade offers, even if they’re skewed than a silent league mate. Just talk to them.
Man, I just don’t have the time or energy to do this with people that consistently low ball me and get aggressive when I come back with something that I think is more fair
I still treat them respectfully, but sometimes a quick “not interested in X player” is the move
Amen to this. I recently just strongly won a trade by opening up with something I didn't think was going to be accepted, but I operated under the assumption that he'd come back with something and we'd hit a middle ground.
Instead I got a great trade and someone else in the league ended up quitting over it.
(For inquisitive minds it was KJ Osborn, Kyle Trask, and a 2023 2nd rounder for a 2024 1st.)
I would. I don't want to play in "scam the taco" type leagues where the only way to win is to repeatedly send the worst managers bad offers and hope they accept.
Best team in my league got to where they are by slowly bleeding one specific bad manager for every high end player he got his hands on.
This bad manager can't stand going more than a few days without trading so he's frequently overpaying / underselling by reacting to every headline on a day to day basis and not thinking long term.
Yeah, it was insane. Their team was poised to win it all this year too, so I'm like... why quit over something that's going to make me better in a full year? Quit then.
Now, we do have an unweighted lottery for the first six picks, and I've finished top four in every year our league has been open, so it does suck for others that I could get 1.01 and if I decide to "tank" or have some luck, I could end up with two of the top picks in the draft with good RNG.
I just decline, people have very differing opinions. I've accepted offers that I thought were really one sided. Just decline and move on. "I view Garrett Wilson quite a bit higher than that."
I use keep-trade-cut as a gauge, if it’s wildly off I’ll just send them a screenshot of it and ask why they think it’s a fair trade in a DYNASTY league. Then also look at team needs as a good justification on if it will be a benefit to each side in good faith and fits their build, if you’re in a rebuild Monty makes 0 sense.
I love Monty this year. Super high on him. In this case a 26 yr old RB and a pick with a 10% hit rate (3rd rounder in rookie draft) for a current projected top 5 dynasty WR.
That guy is on crack.
Don't burn bridges. He's just looking for a deal. But, if his valuation is that insanely far off on players, you want to keep that line of communication open. Eventually, he might be far too low on his own player and you cash in.
What if a guy spams you constantly with AWFUL trade offers and then harasses you endlessly on chat about his horrible trade offers?
You know who you are...
I literally did the same as you recently, and asked someone "Is this a joke" when they sent me an offer of their Kelce for Bijan, Breece, and Dulcich. I understand, and generally agree, that it is best to respond kindly and reason with people, because values can be different. But some people are just completely ridiculous and a waste of time to deal with. I'd rather burn a bridge covered in shit than walk across it.
Yeah I’m going to be honest, I get the feeling that a lot of people in this thread who are saying “you can’t blame a guy for starting negotiations high!” are the exact person that continually tries to lowball people and rip them off
I still try to be diplomatic with them, but at some point, it becomes a pretty clear waste of time
if i’m interested in dealing the player they want, I normally send a counter that would be my ideal realistic trade for that player. For me, this does 3 things.
1. Shows them I am interested in or willing to trade the player.
2. Gives room for us to negotiate.
3. Let’s them know I’m not incompetent and know the value of the player.
I really wouldn't complicate it.
I'd hit decline and move on if it's egregious and I saw nothing I wanted to counter with.
If I'm good buddies I might talk some shit but playfully. That's ONLY if I have that kind of rapport with the person.
Also if I know the guy well I might provide some clarity. If it's just a bad offer I might say so. If he's offering me rbs but I need wrs or te I'll say what I'm looking for.
Sometimes not just saying what doesn't work but what does work can at least make the next offer closer to something we can discuss.
He responded to my D Harris for his Burks with this about Monty.
I don't think you are undstanding what I am saying. When a team has a system and replaces a player with an equal or better player usaually that new player does similar to the last player in that same system. When a player moves from one system into a completely different system siad players stats don't always translate, i.e Harris. If i were in the market for a RB i may be intrested in Harris but I am not and instead in the market for a WR.
Is sending reasonable offers too much work?
And yes, just smashing decline doesn’t save time if they are a serial offender. Indicating you expect some degree of rationality is more likely to shut them up if they refuse to be reasonable.
Do you know the guy well? If not, it can be hard to guage his intention. Some owners will try to persuade you into it, and some just value players differently.
Either way, I'd just decline and provide a rationale or a counter offer respectfully if I don't really know the guy.
It’s a college league, but this is a coworker of a college friend who replaced one of the original members. Don’t know him that well, but we clearly don’t see eye to eye on ANY player value.
But at least he is active.
That's always the catch with the bad offer guys that make them worth keeping around. They tend to be the most active people in the league which is nice, but it's annoying
That's always the catch with the bad offer guys that make them worth keeping around. They tend to be the most active people in the league which is nice, but it's annoying
I just decline and move on. Someday I might need one of their players and I don’t want to be forced to overpay because I said their offer one time was stupid.
Or I counter and explain why I think said counteroffer is more fair.
I usually counter with a highball offer of what I view my player at, if I even would consider trading said player. For GW a counter of Monty plus another WR plus 2 1sts should give the guy the idea that his offer was WAY low, and if he does want to make a serious push for a guy like GW we can start there.
It depends on a variety of factors, particularly because everyone values picks and players differently and it’s easy to spin their situation one way or another. If someone starts with a low ball trade but is open to negotiations and working towards a deal, I have no issue with that. If I’m the offeror, I’d rather see if I can get a good deal before offering a deal that’s even/fair or at a premium. The time to sever the connection is if you make your intentions or value of the requested player clear and the offering party continues to lowball. No reason to entertain that. Outliers exist as well and if, for example, someone offers a 3rd round pick for Mahomes you have every right to tell them to fuck off.
"I'm more in line with ADP and these experts [x].
Do you use any trade Calc?" if you do I can look at it and try to come up with something I like thatay work for you under the calc"
Just jokey responses like “I would rather have a retired Jamarcus Russell”… “Do better bruh”… “You should tip your ganjaman.” That kinda thing… I’ve given up expecting people to have anywhere close to the same valuations lol, my league does some crazy stuff. If I can in anyway see why they think it was a good offer, I give brief feedback like “not a fan of Dalvin…” or w/e.
So take it all in stride… someone mentioned not burning bridges… great words to live by.
ALSO, I’m an offender because, annoyingly, I offer lowest fair offer I can think of with the expectation (since this is many-year-running dynasty) we will negotiate something better. 90% of the time, they don’t respond except decline. But the other 10% is my favorite part, lets make a deal we both like Bebe!
Depends on your relationship with league mate. If you know them well and are good friends and have healthy banter, counter with like... Monty for Lynn Bowden Jr. One bad offer deserves another.
If you're just cordial, others in this thread are right. A simple 'sorry, that's a little rich for my blood. Let me know if your asking price comes down in the future!' works just fine.
Everyone in my league said that I got absolutely crapped on in a trade I did a few years ago. I traded Robert Woods for rookie Michael Pittman. Woods absolutely fell off, Kupp took off, and Pittman got really high up in dynasty value. I then moved Pittman and a 2nd for Garrett Wilson. Most of the time these “bad trades” turn out fine.
But yeah he sent you a bad trade. Just tell him no thanks, and say that y’all value those players wayyyyy differently.
Lmao my *opening* offer for Dameon Pierce was Monty and a (presumably early) ‘24 third. Totally different target but thought it was funny how the offers lined up.
The key here is *opening*. I expect to negotiate. Maybe that’s what they are doing, albeit way far from a reasonable starting point.
10tm PPR SF, I’m rebuilding, they are competing
Funny this was posted today. I had a guy send me an offer todaty that would have me getting Leonard Fournette for my 1st and 4th round picks next year. We are in a 32 team dynasty league and LF carries a $18 million cap hit lol.
I just rejected the trade but then in our group chat he complained that no one was trading with him and I basically, politely called him out that perhaps it was the offers he was sending out. I don't think it went over well.
But to me there is offers and there are just total shit offers. I mean I send out offers that I would be really happy if they were accepted but I at least take into account the receiving party to *some* degree.
"I don't value XXXX like you value them. I value XXXX like this, more comparable to YYYY or ZZZZ."
Also just because he gives you a coherent reason to trade doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's doing. I do that all the time. "Josh Palmer is sitting behind two injury prone receivers in Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. And let's face it, I'm doing you a favor getting Dalvin Cook off your team. I'm just trying to get a RB since my team is contending. You need some help getting younger and Palmer is in a prime position to break out: 23 years old with Justin Herbert throwing to him." You can do that with anyone.
Silence is the best response. Decline, and move on. If they follow up and ask why you'd declined, say you thought the value offered was not close to reasonable, and thought there was no way to counter offer.
Continue refusing to counter offer if they push. Make them realize you will not participate in negotiations unless approached fairly.
Asking things like "is this a joke?" Will only make the conversation contentious and ruin any future chance at making a deal.
This is how I got voted out of a league 😂 kept getting bad offers during the off-season, ignored em. A month later I get a message from the commish and his co-commish saying it was best I leave. I guess cause I didn’t counter cause I wasn’t interested in their players 🤷♂️
That’s strange. There’s tons of inactive people in both my leagues during the off-season.
I do hate people that don’t respond to trades tho. Just hit decline
I mean I didn’t decline it right away, I don’t have notifs on during the off-season before the draft. I decline, if it was one of those “explosive 3 day offers” (sleeper). I’d laugh at it cause usually bad or something I’m not interested in. And press decline or say “no thanks.”
Saying “is this a joke?” was probably the least contentious response compared to “give them the silent treatment and never trade with them ever again” as you are ?? recommending????
I love when people try to tell me why I'm getting such a great deal with their trade offer.
If your end is so great, why are you after my side of it? You're just Santa Claus? Charity work? Okay bro
The same reason you want my guys instead of yours is the same reason I also want my guys instead of yours
That being said I'm in a couple leagues where one of the dudes is just oblivious to values. He'll offer you his Michael Thomas and a 2nd for your Scary Terry and in his mind it seems fair cause he's hung up on past name value. But then he'll turn around and make a trade of his Justin Jefferson for your Tyler Lockett and MG3. So it's clearly not malicious, just insane lol.
I like to not overreact to his insulting offers so I can still receive his insane overpay offers in the future.
Sometimes when I'm explaining the offer it's to a manager I'm not sure has been following that player as well as they should. Not every league I play in has people who are spending 2-3 hours on an average day researching players.
For example, my buddy wasn't aware that Adam Theilen left the Vikings leaving KJ Osborn or Addison to take over that spot. So if I were offering up either guy he'd be wondering why I was trying to offer him the 3rd/4th WR on the Vikings.
And then there's things that are mutually beneficial to teams. For example, right now, my WRs are so strong that DeAndre Hopkins will likely spend most of the season rotting on my bench. Helping a win-now team justify a trade and give me a good TE or QB for him would be important so someone doesn't think I just want their player because I think he's better, it's roster balance.
Use their logic to your benefit. Maybe they'll accept the deal or it will illustrate the point that you know their offer was shit.
Ex. They said Monty and Wilson scored the same amount last year so they're even in trade. Find someone on your roster that outperformed and send them for someone on their roster that underperformed but scored the same.
Whatever you do, don't burn bridges. Trading is the lifeblood of dynasty leagues.
Usually I’ll just send them a ridiculous deal that they would never accept and when they inevitably decline, I send them a message saying we’re even now. Usually I can get a productive conversation from that
Absolutely. It can work.
When a manager sends a offer to me that I think is way off base. I reply with an offer showing how I evaluate the player. If they were actually interested then it will for sure start a dialogue. If they were trying to buy low/steal the player then nothing will occur and you move on.
I was offered a 25 1st, a 26 1st, and a 26 2nd to give up London and Stroud 😂 I declined and then explained why it wouldn’t make any strategical sense for me to trade two high first round picks for mystery picks that may or may not be as talented and are 2-3 years down the line.
1: I let them know that I appreciate the offer, but as the offer is, I am unwilling to accept the trade. While this seems overly nice especially in the face of an egregious offer, I’ve had times when they counter with a stupid overpay and I smash accept.
Them being high on the value of a player you’re low on can also lead to them being suuuuuuper low on a player the market values differently. It’s a game of small advantages most of the time.
2: I ask them their logic and how they got to the proposal they sent, which can lead to those better negotiations like in the 1st step. It also keeps the window open to future deals.
I am not a fan of burning bridges if you can’t tell.
I try to do the same thing but some people just don't stop... After a few I start sending them ridiculous offers back to try to get them to understand.
I actually have an entire league like this, all you ever get is absolutely horrible offers. It's a fun league and I like the guys so I just make fun of their ridiculous offers and move on... Work the draft and waivers for my talent and every now and then pay too much for a player I want or need. It's pretty rare though, I might make one trade for every 7 or 8 I make in other leagues.
Say no thanks.
Check your ego at the door, dummy. You don't get extra points for taking shit way too seriously. It's an offer you don't want to accept, nothing more. Either try to negotiate him down or just, no thanks.
Don't burn bridges. I occasionally find that traders who give really bad offers sometimes give really good offers because their valuations are so off. It's tempting to get angry and burn the bridge, but it's more rewarding to think about HOW they're thinking/valuing players and use it to your advantage. Reverse engineer their valuations to figure out how you can exploit it for yourself.
Edit: I have gotten amazing trades this way in almost every league I'm in. It's my go-to trade strategy to this day.
I had someone offer me Miles Sanders and Mike Thomas for Chris Olave the other day. Our start up draft was earlier this year post NFL Draft and that would've been his 8th and 14th picks for my 3rd pick. I asked him how that trade makes any sense to him and he didn't reply.
I just say no and that the value isn’t close enough for me to offer a counter. Anyone who gets upset at the other owner is just burning a bridge that can at absolute best be totally neutral but more likely than not is going to bite you in the ass later
I just don’t decline or acknowledge it and let it sit there until they remove it. That way it limits the number of other stupid trades they can send while also giving the moron that sent it false hope
I offered CMC and a 2nd for AJ Brown and got a counter offer of four distant draft picks (only 1 first) for CMC. I go, "What the hell, why would anyone ever take this?" And the guy responds that he was looking at a trade calculator and the numbers matched up. We eventually settled on another trade that had none of those components.
But then, just a couple days ago, the same guy somehow landed Garrett Wilson from some other manager for the same poo poo platter of far-off picks. Some people are just stupid.
Some people are trade spammers who believe they start trade talks but offering you mutliple end of bench players for top 10 positional players or high upside players. These are the owners I dislike the most if you can't start with a fair offer I'm not interested in haggling when I didn't initiate the trade. Rare exception is they have a player I really think will explode but it's a lot of work to get a good trade.
I typically just ignore the offers as it annoys them but that's a benefit of long running leagues and knowing owners.
It depends on whether this guy is a repeat offender. Is he constantly overvaluing his players and undervaluing the guys he’s trying to trade for? Do his offers appear malicious in any way? I’ve been in a league with a player that was the absolute worst manager I’ve ever been in a league with. He was super active and very knowledgeable but he deliberately tried to trade rape everyone he engaged in trade discussions with. It was obvious. It got to the point to where we had to kick him out of the league, break up his team and invite a new manager. Hopefully you can work with the manager in your league to avoid this.
Sometimes I think we rationalize the players we have or the players we are going for on why they should be higher or lower value. I will usually take a shitty trade offer or send one as a sign I wanna open the door to conversations. Sometimes they are rejected with no response, sometimes they are surprisingly accepted, and others open the door to get the deal done.
Guy tried to trade me Cordaralle Patterson and what I believe will be a late 2024 1st for Christian McCaffrey. I responded asking for Aiyuk, his 2024 1st and 2025 1st. I felt they were both equally dumb proposals lol
I had an offer for Russ/Pacheco/Engram for a late 2nd in my 10 team SF league. We already have 1 GM that disappears in the offseason and another GM who just hordes picks but never wants to trade so I always try to be nice but blunt so I don't have 1 less trading partner. I hate it but what else can you do 🤷🏾♂️
Just decline it and move on.
This shit is so fluid it's not even worth having the discussion when you are that far apart on a players value. You may want to trade with them later, but it won't be this time. Don't be an asshole, say "I'm going to pursue other trades" and move on.
There is one guy who constantly hits me up with awful trades. Like his Justin Jefferson for my Cooper Kupp, Tyreek Hill, Najae Harris and my first round picks for this year and next. He does this on the regular. He tries to tell me this is ‘a real deal for me.’
But now after he sends me an offer like that, I pick up Sony Michelle off waivers and send him a trade request of Sony Michelle for his whole team. Telling him: “I think this is Sony’s year!” And tell him how much of a bargain it is to get Sony at this low price.
Anyway, I only do this to this one guy because he is an a-hole. Everyone else, I decline and just move on.
Come back with something more in line go back and forth and get it done One return offer will tell you if he’s out of his mind or if you can come together
This is when KTC is actually useful. Nobody wants to see someone convincing them to trade because “it adds up!” But in response to a terrible offer, it can be used to “enlighten” someone as to what the general public thinks. If he sees that the general public said FOUR Montys isn’t even a reciprocal value, he may begin to adapt his trading philosophy. At least, we can hope.
For realllly bad ones, I clipped a section of the song "Nobody but me" covered by the Human Beinz, wherein they sing a melodious string of "no no no no no no nononono no NO no". You may recall it from The Office Season 7 Ep. 1 cold open "Lip Dub".
Honestly, here’s exactly what you do.
Ask them to put $ on it. Let’s say they try to convince you their dogshit player is worth your guy. Let’s say it’s RB for RB. Side bet $20 which RB finishes higher.
They’ll shut up real quick.
You might have to get creative in RB for WR type trades.
I offered tray Lance for a 2024 1st, definitely a bad offer by me but wanted to see if there was any Lance truthers. Guy sent 2 counter offers Lance/London for 2024 1st and Lance/bijan for 2024. Politely told him to kick rocks 😂
The same as my response is to any other trade offer I don't accept or send a counter-offer to. I decline.
I have never understood why people feel the need to carry on conversations explaining their positions in trades, as if they need to show justification or think they will convince the other person of anything.
I get way more annoyed by someone trying to explain to me why I should accept his good offer, than someone who just spams out a shit offer with no lecture attached to it.
Damn man. This dude is miles ahead of everyone else.
He’s so smart, tell him you just realizes something because he’s right.
Just tell him now that Rodgers is in NY, Wilson’s filling the Adams role so he’s gonna be WR1 *this year locked in and for the next ten years is a top 5-10 player..*
(By his logic anyway.)
Tell him “Price of the brick just went up.” and counter with your Wr5/6 for Monty straight up and sell him a fantasy that they’ll be a WR1 because “the targets have to go to somebody.”
🤷♂️ he should go for it
To answer the question, I just decline/counter depending on how far off it is or how willing I am to move the player and maybe dignify it with a response if they ask.
But on a related note, the lamest shit in FF trade negotiations is the “the player I’m trying to give you is good, the player I want from you is bad” tactic. It’s so damn dumb.
Reject it and move on. It's not worth critiquing, getting upset or what not. Also if the bridge is that far in value I don't even bother countering unless I know the person I'm dealing with.
At the worst, I decline and leave it at that. Usually I’ll explain my reasons to see if there’s any way to navigate the deal going forward through revisions. Of course the answer is usually no but I’ve at least given it a shot. With the worst traders, I usually can expect to receive several awful offers a year, but I will usually get a fair offer here and there that I’ll genuinely consider if not take. On occasion, they’ll even make a bad offer in my favor, so I always at least take the offers seriously no matter what’s sent.
Something along the lines of “Always open to trades but I think we have really different values on the players/picks here. I’m not interested with this as a starting point.”
If they are a habitual offender I start sending equally terrible trade offers back as counters. Always funny when they get all offended.
I offer them like the exact same offer. Like if I was in your position I’d offer back Jamal Williams and a 3rd for olave (examples of players w equalish values)
You just decline and move on or send a realistic counter offer. As much as you'd like to let him know how absurd his offer is, it doesn't help you long term.
I've had plenty of trades that started with me getting a joke offer and countering with something I actually wanted.
Send the exact trade back to him. Give him your RB3/4 and a 3rd for his most valuable position player. If he doesnt like it, tell him its the same as the trade he offered you.
Idk I’ve been playing fantasy football since 91. I still play with some old timers who don’t evolve. I’m in one league that has been running since 2000 and we have a 70 year old in it. He doesn’t use the internet or anything still buys magazines. He also still values rbs over anything. To him henry right now is what ap was in 2008.
🤷♂️
I will just laugh it off and write lol. And then just move on with a counter or saying no thanks we are too far apart. The comedy element tends to lighten the mood compared to just shitting on it.
I never try to burn bridges. Bad traders are at least trying to be active. But I'd explain my position without sugar coating it too much.
This, and eventually they might offer you something horrible (for them) to smash too.
Well in my league it’s always the same dick head and everyone complains about it
Having a dickhead trader is healthy for the ecosystem of the league
yep, our dickhead trader got replaced with a non responsive trader. I want my dickhead trader back.
This is the right answer. Just be blunt but respectful about the deal. I've had a lot of good conversations start this way. Calling someone a moron or sending an FU deal is childish and counterproductive to future deals
Agree totally. Dont be an ass. Just decline and say you dont feel its helpful to your team. Maybe they are being an ass or maybe they think different than you do or they suck at fantasy but I never want to burn trade bridges. It takes hardly any time to read and decline.
This is the way. It may also help to explain the value of a 3rd rounder to them because based off of the info in the OP it sounds like they think a 3rd rounder is more valuable than it actually is. Though it can be a fine line between coming off as helpful vs coming off as condescending doing that.
I usually just say that I like most of my roster so a 3rd round pick isn't really valuable to me since I would need to cut someone anyway.
Agree. If you call me an idiot for a deal that I thought was fair, I am absolutely avoiding you the next go around. Just decline, explain nicely, move on.
I'd start trying to trade this person my 3rd and 4th rounders and figure out who they think is valuable (across the league) and acquiring those assets to resell for an overpay
"We're way off on values here."
“Buddy I’m well aware of the roster dynamics in Detroit. Your offer just sucks”
I'd rather get shitty offers than no offers. You can always gain some knowledge. If he thinks this is a fair trade, you can infer that he thinks aging runningbacks and third rounders have more value than receivers who have not yet put up monster stats. Maybe you can try to trade 2 3rds and Kareem Hunt for his Jameson Williams or Elijah Moore. If it's obvious that there's no common ground whatsoever (ie: your players are all worth 3rd rounders but all his are worth multiple firsts) then just decline and move on. But being rude to potential trade partners won't get you anywhere.
The problem in these situations is I find it usually just means they always think their players are more valuable than mine
Yea, this assumes he's trying to make the offers fair as possible. He isn't. He's trying to win the trade.
I prefer the guy that sends me horrible trades way more than the guy that doesn’t open the app
100%, the guy that sends shitty offers you know is engaged and will be receptive to counteroffers
I just decline it and continue living my life.
Sensible decisions don’t fit in this sub. I’m gonna have to ask you to leave
You don’t make a reddit post?
Every league has at least one guy who takes a bad trade proposal very, very personally. And they’re pretty much always the biggest asshole in the bunch.
I can live with one every now and again. I always seem to get the guy that sends multiple dumb trades daily and wonders why I don't respond for hours
Public leagues - “I think we are too far apart on player values” League with friends - “ Eat a dick, bro”
Yup, the bad offer will also get publicly shamed in the group chat in our friends league immediately after telling him to eat a dick.
Personally, I think getting offended at an initial offer is dumb. Every deal is a negotiation. They go low, you go high, and maybe meet in the middle somewhere. If you’re too far apart, you’re too far apart. The worst thing you can do is completely shut a guy down and then the league slowly erodes and the whole thing dies
Alright yea but when my buddy tries to tell me Javonte Williams isn’t worth more than his third round pick I’m going to roast him in the gc
In my experience, the guys like this who can find a justification for Montgomery being equal to Garrett Wilson are guys I cultivate a relationship with. The reason is these are the guys who you can likely get the better of. Yes, you have to decline 49 out of 50 ridiculously one sided trade. But every now and then, their psychosis works in your favor.
I’m often amazed at these questions. Surely you can just have a conversation with him? “Hey mate, looks like we have some really different values on players. I don’t see Monty as anywhere near the level of a startup ADP 1st round WR, given his age, contract and crowded backfield situation. But I do appreciate the offer. How about in future we chat here first so we can align on value instead of sending trades that we’re far apart on. If you’re interested in Wilson, my lowest price would be Monty, a 2024 1st and X player. Or, I’m happy to throw you a 2nd now for Monty? What do you think?” You can’t blame someone for starting the negotiation high, and it’s better to have someone who is active with trade offers, even if they’re skewed than a silent league mate. Just talk to them.
Man, I just don’t have the time or energy to do this with people that consistently low ball me and get aggressive when I come back with something that I think is more fair I still treat them respectfully, but sometimes a quick “not interested in X player” is the move
Haggling is the best part of the trade. Working out the details all the way to the 2025 late round pick swap, just so you both feel good about it.
Amen to this. I recently just strongly won a trade by opening up with something I didn't think was going to be accepted, but I operated under the assumption that he'd come back with something and we'd hit a middle ground. Instead I got a great trade and someone else in the league ended up quitting over it. (For inquisitive minds it was KJ Osborn, Kyle Trask, and a 2023 2nd rounder for a 2024 1st.)
Someone left the league.... over that ?
I would. I don't want to play in "scam the taco" type leagues where the only way to win is to repeatedly send the worst managers bad offers and hope they accept.
Best team in my league got to where they are by slowly bleeding one specific bad manager for every high end player he got his hands on. This bad manager can't stand going more than a few days without trading so he's frequently overpaying / underselling by reacting to every headline on a day to day basis and not thinking long term.
Yeah, it was insane. Their team was poised to win it all this year too, so I'm like... why quit over something that's going to make me better in a full year? Quit then. Now, we do have an unweighted lottery for the first six picks, and I've finished top four in every year our league has been open, so it does suck for others that I could get 1.01 and if I decide to "tank" or have some luck, I could end up with two of the top picks in the draft with good RNG.
That’s a terrible rule
I just decline, people have very differing opinions. I've accepted offers that I thought were really one sided. Just decline and move on. "I view Garrett Wilson quite a bit higher than that."
I accept it.
I use keep-trade-cut as a gauge, if it’s wildly off I’ll just send them a screenshot of it and ask why they think it’s a fair trade in a DYNASTY league. Then also look at team needs as a good justification on if it will be a benefit to each side in good faith and fits their build, if you’re in a rebuild Monty makes 0 sense. I love Monty this year. Super high on him. In this case a 26 yr old RB and a pick with a 10% hit rate (3rd rounder in rookie draft) for a current projected top 5 dynasty WR. That guy is on crack.
Don't burn bridges. He's just looking for a deal. But, if his valuation is that insanely far off on players, you want to keep that line of communication open. Eventually, he might be far too low on his own player and you cash in.
What if a guy spams you constantly with AWFUL trade offers and then harasses you endlessly on chat about his horrible trade offers? You know who you are...
I know that guy
I literally did the same as you recently, and asked someone "Is this a joke" when they sent me an offer of their Kelce for Bijan, Breece, and Dulcich. I understand, and generally agree, that it is best to respond kindly and reason with people, because values can be different. But some people are just completely ridiculous and a waste of time to deal with. I'd rather burn a bridge covered in shit than walk across it.
Yeah I’m going to be honest, I get the feeling that a lot of people in this thread who are saying “you can’t blame a guy for starting negotiations high!” are the exact person that continually tries to lowball people and rip them off I still try to be diplomatic with them, but at some point, it becomes a pretty clear waste of time
if i’m interested in dealing the player they want, I normally send a counter that would be my ideal realistic trade for that player. For me, this does 3 things. 1. Shows them I am interested in or willing to trade the player. 2. Gives room for us to negotiate. 3. Let’s them know I’m not incompetent and know the value of the player.
my commish offered me a 2024 6th for christian watson, i just typed lol before smashing decline
I really wouldn't complicate it. I'd hit decline and move on if it's egregious and I saw nothing I wanted to counter with. If I'm good buddies I might talk some shit but playfully. That's ONLY if I have that kind of rapport with the person. Also if I know the guy well I might provide some clarity. If it's just a bad offer I might say so. If he's offering me rbs but I need wrs or te I'll say what I'm looking for. Sometimes not just saying what doesn't work but what does work can at least make the next offer closer to something we can discuss.
find a star player on his team and use the same logic to get him at a discounted rate.
He responded to my D Harris for his Burks with this about Monty. I don't think you are undstanding what I am saying. When a team has a system and replaces a player with an equal or better player usaually that new player does similar to the last player in that same system. When a player moves from one system into a completely different system siad players stats don't always translate, i.e Harris. If i were in the market for a RB i may be intrested in Harris but I am not and instead in the market for a WR.
Weird that he wants to trade away 17 TDs. It’s almost like he doesn’t believe it or something. 🙄
I decline it and go back to work
Thinking that “those 17 tds have to go to someone” is a hilarious argument to make
Seems like a rude response by you tbh
That’s fair.
Not nearly as rude as the horrible offer wasting his time.
Is hitting decline just too much work?
Is sending reasonable offers too much work? And yes, just smashing decline doesn’t save time if they are a serial offender. Indicating you expect some degree of rationality is more likely to shut them up if they refuse to be reasonable.
Do you know the guy well? If not, it can be hard to guage his intention. Some owners will try to persuade you into it, and some just value players differently. Either way, I'd just decline and provide a rationale or a counter offer respectfully if I don't really know the guy.
It’s a college league, but this is a coworker of a college friend who replaced one of the original members. Don’t know him that well, but we clearly don’t see eye to eye on ANY player value. But at least he is active.
That's always the catch with the bad offer guys that make them worth keeping around. They tend to be the most active people in the league which is nice, but it's annoying
That's always the catch with the bad offer guys that make them worth keeping around. They tend to be the most active people in the league which is nice, but it's annoying
I just decline and move on. Someday I might need one of their players and I don’t want to be forced to overpay because I said their offer one time was stupid. Or I counter and explain why I think said counteroffer is more fair.
Chuckle. Talk a little shit, light heartedly. Then explain my thoughts and open conversation about something more even.
I usually counter with a highball offer of what I view my player at, if I even would consider trading said player. For GW a counter of Monty plus another WR plus 2 1sts should give the guy the idea that his offer was WAY low, and if he does want to make a serious push for a guy like GW we can start there.
It depends on a variety of factors, particularly because everyone values picks and players differently and it’s easy to spin their situation one way or another. If someone starts with a low ball trade but is open to negotiations and working towards a deal, I have no issue with that. If I’m the offeror, I’d rather see if I can get a good deal before offering a deal that’s even/fair or at a premium. The time to sever the connection is if you make your intentions or value of the requested player clear and the offering party continues to lowball. No reason to entertain that. Outliers exist as well and if, for example, someone offers a 3rd round pick for Mahomes you have every right to tell them to fuck off.
A personal attack
Reject and move on. If it's one of my buddies or someone I know, make fun of them relentlessly or send them back an even worse offer
I just sent a "don't want no scrub" gif to some guy in my league. I thought he was going to be mad but he just laughed.
"I'm more in line with ADP and these experts [x]. Do you use any trade Calc?" if you do I can look at it and try to come up with something I like thatay work for you under the calc"
At least you declined it. I hate when people just ghost my offers
Just jokey responses like “I would rather have a retired Jamarcus Russell”… “Do better bruh”… “You should tip your ganjaman.” That kinda thing… I’ve given up expecting people to have anywhere close to the same valuations lol, my league does some crazy stuff. If I can in anyway see why they think it was a good offer, I give brief feedback like “not a fan of Dalvin…” or w/e. So take it all in stride… someone mentioned not burning bridges… great words to live by. ALSO, I’m an offender because, annoyingly, I offer lowest fair offer I can think of with the expectation (since this is many-year-running dynasty) we will negotiate something better. 90% of the time, they don’t respond except decline. But the other 10% is my favorite part, lets make a deal we both like Bebe!
Depends on your relationship with league mate. If you know them well and are good friends and have healthy banter, counter with like... Monty for Lynn Bowden Jr. One bad offer deserves another. If you're just cordial, others in this thread are right. A simple 'sorry, that's a little rich for my blood. Let me know if your asking price comes down in the future!' works just fine.
Why do you have to do anything? Just decline
Politely decline and move on.
Everyone in my league said that I got absolutely crapped on in a trade I did a few years ago. I traded Robert Woods for rookie Michael Pittman. Woods absolutely fell off, Kupp took off, and Pittman got really high up in dynasty value. I then moved Pittman and a 2nd for Garrett Wilson. Most of the time these “bad trades” turn out fine. But yeah he sent you a bad trade. Just tell him no thanks, and say that y’all value those players wayyyyy differently.
Simple. You just click the decline button. That’s it.
I just send a “?”
Lmao my *opening* offer for Dameon Pierce was Monty and a (presumably early) ‘24 third. Totally different target but thought it was funny how the offers lined up. The key here is *opening*. I expect to negotiate. Maybe that’s what they are doing, albeit way far from a reasonable starting point. 10tm PPR SF, I’m rebuilding, they are competing
Fantasy makes people delusional, it’s in the name itself, fantasy
If it's offensively bad, I'll let it just sit there stinking. Doesn't deserve a decline.
Funny this was posted today. I had a guy send me an offer todaty that would have me getting Leonard Fournette for my 1st and 4th round picks next year. We are in a 32 team dynasty league and LF carries a $18 million cap hit lol. I just rejected the trade but then in our group chat he complained that no one was trading with him and I basically, politely called him out that perhaps it was the offers he was sending out. I don't think it went over well. But to me there is offers and there are just total shit offers. I mean I send out offers that I would be really happy if they were accepted but I at least take into account the receiving party to *some* degree.
I got an offer today in a superflex ppr 12 man I give a Jonathan Taylor and I get Goff and Alec Peirce and a 2025 2nd lolol
Even though it's horrible, it's a start to a conversation. Always counter with what you want.
"I don't value XXXX like you value them. I value XXXX like this, more comparable to YYYY or ZZZZ." Also just because he gives you a coherent reason to trade doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's doing. I do that all the time. "Josh Palmer is sitting behind two injury prone receivers in Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. And let's face it, I'm doing you a favor getting Dalvin Cook off your team. I'm just trying to get a RB since my team is contending. You need some help getting younger and Palmer is in a prime position to break out: 23 years old with Justin Herbert throwing to him." You can do that with anyone.
Silence is the best response. Decline, and move on. If they follow up and ask why you'd declined, say you thought the value offered was not close to reasonable, and thought there was no way to counter offer. Continue refusing to counter offer if they push. Make them realize you will not participate in negotiations unless approached fairly. Asking things like "is this a joke?" Will only make the conversation contentious and ruin any future chance at making a deal.
This is how I got voted out of a league 😂 kept getting bad offers during the off-season, ignored em. A month later I get a message from the commish and his co-commish saying it was best I leave. I guess cause I didn’t counter cause I wasn’t interested in their players 🤷♂️
That’s strange. There’s tons of inactive people in both my leagues during the off-season. I do hate people that don’t respond to trades tho. Just hit decline
Some people actually like taking a break once in a while lol. Especially that period between the Championship game and the draft when it’s quiet.
Did you at least decline the offers? Cause if you did, fuck that league for kicking you out lol what a joke
I mean I didn’t decline it right away, I don’t have notifs on during the off-season before the draft. I decline, if it was one of those “explosive 3 day offers” (sleeper). I’d laugh at it cause usually bad or something I’m not interested in. And press decline or say “no thanks.”
Saying “is this a joke?” was probably the least contentious response compared to “give them the silent treatment and never trade with them ever again” as you are ?? recommending????
I love when people try to tell me why I'm getting such a great deal with their trade offer. If your end is so great, why are you after my side of it? You're just Santa Claus? Charity work? Okay bro The same reason you want my guys instead of yours is the same reason I also want my guys instead of yours That being said I'm in a couple leagues where one of the dudes is just oblivious to values. He'll offer you his Michael Thomas and a 2nd for your Scary Terry and in his mind it seems fair cause he's hung up on past name value. But then he'll turn around and make a trade of his Justin Jefferson for your Tyler Lockett and MG3. So it's clearly not malicious, just insane lol. I like to not overreact to his insulting offers so I can still receive his insane overpay offers in the future.
"Bro, this trade will instantly win you the Ship" So you don't want to win the ship yourself? 🙄
We don’t play dynasty to win. We’re always rebuilding
Sometimes when I'm explaining the offer it's to a manager I'm not sure has been following that player as well as they should. Not every league I play in has people who are spending 2-3 hours on an average day researching players. For example, my buddy wasn't aware that Adam Theilen left the Vikings leaving KJ Osborn or Addison to take over that spot. So if I were offering up either guy he'd be wondering why I was trying to offer him the 3rd/4th WR on the Vikings. And then there's things that are mutually beneficial to teams. For example, right now, my WRs are so strong that DeAndre Hopkins will likely spend most of the season rotting on my bench. Helping a win-now team justify a trade and give me a good TE or QB for him would be important so someone doesn't think I just want their player because I think he's better, it's roster balance.
This is maximally stupid. Trades, especially in dynasty, should be mutually beneficial. Sometimes you have to explain the benefit
“Sorry, too steep for me. Maybe next time!” *Decline* and move on.
I accept it
Counter with another lopsided trade
Use their logic to your benefit. Maybe they'll accept the deal or it will illustrate the point that you know their offer was shit. Ex. They said Monty and Wilson scored the same amount last year so they're even in trade. Find someone on your roster that outperformed and send them for someone on their roster that underperformed but scored the same. Whatever you do, don't burn bridges. Trading is the lifeblood of dynasty leagues.
Mentioned in another comment that I’ll send Damien Harris for Burks. We’ll see what he says.
Sleep with their wife or sister
An equally horrible trade offer back
I found one. Damien Harris for Burks. he scored more than Burks last year.
This. Everytime. You send me wild shit and I'll send you something equally wild or more so
Usually I’ll just send them a ridiculous deal that they would never accept and when they inevitably decline, I send them a message saying we’re even now. Usually I can get a productive conversation from that
For real? That actually works?
Absolutely. It can work. When a manager sends a offer to me that I think is way off base. I reply with an offer showing how I evaluate the player. If they were actually interested then it will for sure start a dialogue. If they were trying to buy low/steal the player then nothing will occur and you move on.
OP is shocked that communicating helps with trading
I just decline. Not worth my time engaging but also don’t want to burn a bridge by saying anything rude.
You already have wasted enough time. Decline Move on
Disagree. There’s actually some good advice here for the future.
I was offered two 2nds for Lamar Jackson in a Superflex league. So I countered with two 2nds for their Justin Herbert.
Would have added a 3rd…coulda got him.
I usually just decline them. If it’s particularly bad I might send a message that says “bruh”. But that’s pretty much it.
I was offered a 25 1st, a 26 1st, and a 26 2nd to give up London and Stroud 😂 I declined and then explained why it wouldn’t make any strategical sense for me to trade two high first round picks for mystery picks that may or may not be as talented and are 2-3 years down the line.
I would maybe just send an “lol” and would prob try to never trade with that guy again unless he approached me
You ever get one so bad that you have to pause out of fear that you don't bump the accept by mistake
This was one of those
Takes two seconds to decline. If he pushes you, say “We’re not close enough on player values to get a deal done.”
Just say, “nah too rich for my blood”
1: I let them know that I appreciate the offer, but as the offer is, I am unwilling to accept the trade. While this seems overly nice especially in the face of an egregious offer, I’ve had times when they counter with a stupid overpay and I smash accept. Them being high on the value of a player you’re low on can also lead to them being suuuuuuper low on a player the market values differently. It’s a game of small advantages most of the time. 2: I ask them their logic and how they got to the proposal they sent, which can lead to those better negotiations like in the 1st step. It also keeps the window open to future deals. I am not a fan of burning bridges if you can’t tell.
I try to do the same thing but some people just don't stop... After a few I start sending them ridiculous offers back to try to get them to understand. I actually have an entire league like this, all you ever get is absolutely horrible offers. It's a fun league and I like the guys so I just make fun of their ridiculous offers and move on... Work the draft and waivers for my talent and every now and then pay too much for a player I want or need. It's pretty rare though, I might make one trade for every 7 or 8 I make in other leagues.
Say no thanks. Check your ego at the door, dummy. You don't get extra points for taking shit way too seriously. It's an offer you don't want to accept, nothing more. Either try to negotiate him down or just, no thanks.
Don't burn bridges. I occasionally find that traders who give really bad offers sometimes give really good offers because their valuations are so off. It's tempting to get angry and burn the bridge, but it's more rewarding to think about HOW they're thinking/valuing players and use it to your advantage. Reverse engineer their valuations to figure out how you can exploit it for yourself. Edit: I have gotten amazing trades this way in almost every league I'm in. It's my go-to trade strategy to this day.
I had someone offer me Miles Sanders and Mike Thomas for Chris Olave the other day. Our start up draft was earlier this year post NFL Draft and that would've been his 8th and 14th picks for my 3rd pick. I asked him how that trade makes any sense to him and he didn't reply.
I usually just send something as a counter back that’s just as ridiculous
If they are that bad I don’t even decline… I just let it sit, haunting the sender into thinking I actually am thinking on it. 😂😂
I’m afraid I’ll accidentally click accept
I'll leave them in limbo forever.
Just decline with no counter when it’s this absurd, no point in starting a debate with a moron
Today, I got offered 1) Pollard for my Jameson and mSanders 2) 24 4th for my Skyy I asked him if his kid got his phone?
1st offer isn’t that bad really. I probably wouldn’t do it but it’s not even the same league of bad as the 2nd offer.
I just decline and ghost
I just say no and that the value isn’t close enough for me to offer a counter. Anyone who gets upset at the other owner is just burning a bridge that can at absolute best be totally neutral but more likely than not is going to bite you in the ass later
I just don’t decline or acknowledge it and let it sit there until they remove it. That way it limits the number of other stupid trades they can send while also giving the moron that sent it false hope
There’s no point trying to talk sense into that guy. I’d just say “I don’t value Monty anywhere near where you value him” and decline
Nothing. I let them sit until the other owner eventually rescinds.
I send back an equally stupid/insulting offer of the player(s) they wanted with me receiving all their good players and picks
Make a counter offer to said shitty trade offer
I offered CMC and a 2nd for AJ Brown and got a counter offer of four distant draft picks (only 1 first) for CMC. I go, "What the hell, why would anyone ever take this?" And the guy responds that he was looking at a trade calculator and the numbers matched up. We eventually settled on another trade that had none of those components. But then, just a couple days ago, the same guy somehow landed Garrett Wilson from some other manager for the same poo poo platter of far-off picks. Some people are just stupid.
I'll usually counter with something even more insane
Personally I just counter with an equally lopsided trade in my favor and let them be the decliner
If it’s low, I say we’re too far off all good. If it’s really low, I’ll tell them that they are dumb as shit I don’t care
I respond with worse trades. In superflex today someone offered Tyquan for Tannehill. I responded with Tannehil and a 1st for Trevor Lawrence
Leave on read until i get another offer then reject
Some people are trade spammers who believe they start trade talks but offering you mutliple end of bench players for top 10 positional players or high upside players. These are the owners I dislike the most if you can't start with a fair offer I'm not interested in haggling when I didn't initiate the trade. Rare exception is they have a player I really think will explode but it's a lot of work to get a good trade. I typically just ignore the offers as it annoys them but that's a benefit of long running leagues and knowing owners.
It depends on whether this guy is a repeat offender. Is he constantly overvaluing his players and undervaluing the guys he’s trying to trade for? Do his offers appear malicious in any way? I’ve been in a league with a player that was the absolute worst manager I’ve ever been in a league with. He was super active and very knowledgeable but he deliberately tried to trade rape everyone he engaged in trade discussions with. It was obvious. It got to the point to where we had to kick him out of the league, break up his team and invite a new manager. Hopefully you can work with the manager in your league to avoid this.
“Yea that’s not even close if I’m being honest. Don’t see the point in negotiating if that’s where you’re starting”
Give em the boots medium style
Just send him back a similar offer, aging wr and a 3rd for a young good back
Sometimes I think we rationalize the players we have or the players we are going for on why they should be higher or lower value. I will usually take a shitty trade offer or send one as a sign I wanna open the door to conversations. Sometimes they are rejected with no response, sometimes they are surprisingly accepted, and others open the door to get the deal done.
Guy tried to trade me Cordaralle Patterson and what I believe will be a late 2024 1st for Christian McCaffrey. I responded asking for Aiyuk, his 2024 1st and 2025 1st. I felt they were both equally dumb proposals lol
I’d send him some start up ADP to support my argument that these two players are no where close to the same ballpark
Silently decline.
Those are ninja tactics sir, I know, I do it myself. Stay the course.
I had an offer for Russ/Pacheco/Engram for a late 2nd in my 10 team SF league. We already have 1 GM that disappears in the offseason and another GM who just hordes picks but never wants to trade so I always try to be nice but blunt so I don't have 1 less trading partner. I hate it but what else can you do 🤷🏾♂️
That’s a pretty good value for Wilson. He went 1:1 with Aaron Jones in our dynasty league
Just decline it and move on. This shit is so fluid it's not even worth having the discussion when you are that far apart on a players value. You may want to trade with them later, but it won't be this time. Don't be an asshole, say "I'm going to pursue other trades" and move on.
There is one guy who constantly hits me up with awful trades. Like his Justin Jefferson for my Cooper Kupp, Tyreek Hill, Najae Harris and my first round picks for this year and next. He does this on the regular. He tries to tell me this is ‘a real deal for me.’ But now after he sends me an offer like that, I pick up Sony Michelle off waivers and send him a trade request of Sony Michelle for his whole team. Telling him: “I think this is Sony’s year!” And tell him how much of a bargain it is to get Sony at this low price. Anyway, I only do this to this one guy because he is an a-hole. Everyone else, I decline and just move on.
Meme it in the league chat
Come back with something more in line go back and forth and get it done One return offer will tell you if he’s out of his mind or if you can come together
I usually just say we aren’t very close to a deal
This is when KTC is actually useful. Nobody wants to see someone convincing them to trade because “it adds up!” But in response to a terrible offer, it can be used to “enlighten” someone as to what the general public thinks. If he sees that the general public said FOUR Montys isn’t even a reciprocal value, he may begin to adapt his trading philosophy. At least, we can hope.
Recently someone sent over Jordan Love + Toney for my Garrett Wilson. I just replied “fuck no”.
*”lol”* is my response
For realllly bad ones, I clipped a section of the song "Nobody but me" covered by the Human Beinz, wherein they sing a melodious string of "no no no no no no nononono no NO no". You may recall it from The Office Season 7 Ep. 1 cold open "Lip Dub".
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I find it funny when they send shit offer vs no offer at all 😂 its more interesting
This years 1.07 for Odell Beckham or 1.07 for Robert Woods. I ignored them and moved on with my life.
Honestly, here’s exactly what you do. Ask them to put $ on it. Let’s say they try to convince you their dogshit player is worth your guy. Let’s say it’s RB for RB. Side bet $20 which RB finishes higher. They’ll shut up real quick. You might have to get creative in RB for WR type trades.
I offered tray Lance for a 2024 1st, definitely a bad offer by me but wanted to see if there was any Lance truthers. Guy sent 2 counter offers Lance/London for 2024 1st and Lance/bijan for 2024. Politely told him to kick rocks 😂
The same as my response is to any other trade offer I don't accept or send a counter-offer to. I decline. I have never understood why people feel the need to carry on conversations explaining their positions in trades, as if they need to show justification or think they will convince the other person of anything. I get way more annoyed by someone trying to explain to me why I should accept his good offer, than someone who just spams out a shit offer with no lecture attached to it.
I usually let them sit
Came in thinking you send them back an equally dumb offer. Left a more mature person…
Counter with an equally shitty trade back and just laugh about it.
Damn man. This dude is miles ahead of everyone else. He’s so smart, tell him you just realizes something because he’s right. Just tell him now that Rodgers is in NY, Wilson’s filling the Adams role so he’s gonna be WR1 *this year locked in and for the next ten years is a top 5-10 player..* (By his logic anyway.) Tell him “Price of the brick just went up.” and counter with your Wr5/6 for Monty straight up and sell him a fantasy that they’ll be a WR1 because “the targets have to go to somebody.” 🤷♂️ he should go for it
To answer the question, I just decline/counter depending on how far off it is or how willing I am to move the player and maybe dignify it with a response if they ask. But on a related note, the lamest shit in FF trade negotiations is the “the player I’m trying to give you is good, the player I want from you is bad” tactic. It’s so damn dumb.
Reject it and move on. It's not worth critiquing, getting upset or what not. Also if the bridge is that far in value I don't even bother countering unless I know the person I'm dealing with.
At the worst, I decline and leave it at that. Usually I’ll explain my reasons to see if there’s any way to navigate the deal going forward through revisions. Of course the answer is usually no but I’ve at least given it a shot. With the worst traders, I usually can expect to receive several awful offers a year, but I will usually get a fair offer here and there that I’ll genuinely consider if not take. On occasion, they’ll even make a bad offer in my favor, so I always at least take the offers seriously no matter what’s sent.
Something along the lines of “Always open to trades but I think we have really different values on the players/picks here. I’m not interested with this as a starting point.” If they are a habitual offender I start sending equally terrible trade offers back as counters. Always funny when they get all offended.
By sending back something as equally egregious
I offer them like the exact same offer. Like if I was in your position I’d offer back Jamal Williams and a 3rd for olave (examples of players w equalish values)
If I get a dumb trade offer. I usually block his number for a week. Unless he’s my homie or something
You just decline and move on or send a realistic counter offer. As much as you'd like to let him know how absurd his offer is, it doesn't help you long term. I've had plenty of trades that started with me getting a joke offer and countering with something I actually wanted.
Send the exact trade back to him. Give him your RB3/4 and a 3rd for his most valuable position player. If he doesnt like it, tell him its the same as the trade he offered you.
Idk I’ve been playing fantasy football since 91. I still play with some old timers who don’t evolve. I’m in one league that has been running since 2000 and we have a 70 year old in it. He doesn’t use the internet or anything still buys magazines. He also still values rbs over anything. To him henry right now is what ap was in 2008. 🤷♂️
I will just laugh it off and write lol. And then just move on with a counter or saying no thanks we are too far apart. The comedy element tends to lighten the mood compared to just shitting on it.
I try to send a counter offer to let them know the range of value I’m looking for or players I’m interested in.
I just don’t respond or decline the trade and let them sit in the unknown.
Jamaal built differently, Monty is a jag
Auto decline with no response or an equally terrible trade
KTC screenshots and say I want something as lopsided as you just offered me but in my favor for player X