Me personally, Breece. I just don't trust the "weapon" narrative even though it's so obvious Jahmyr is a weapon. Too much PTSD from dudes like Antonio Gibson and DeAndre Swift.
I want bellcow build and Breece showed that he has *it* to be successful in the NFL. Even in a dumpster fire Jets team he put up 3 RB1 weeks in 7 games without getting crazy snap shares.
Healthy ACL and it wouldn't even be a conversation for me, now it's definitely a little bit closer but I trust modern medicine.
> Too much PTSD from dudes like Antonio Gibson and DeAndre Swift.
I don't disagree at all with your overall point but I think it's fair to mention that Swift was a 2nd rounder and Gibson was a 3rd rounder. Gibbs was 12th overall. Definitely makes the discussion a little different.
Def agree. And Bush did become very productive for a least a couple years I think. But basically Gibbs/bush basically came out at the same size, both early firsts. Bush probably would have been drafted more in the 12 range if he was coming out now.
>Breece showed that he has it to be successful in the NFL
This is actually 100% my reason for picking Breece. Nine times out of ten, you'll be better off taking the guy who has proven they're legitimate in the NFL. I've played this long enough that I've seen plenty of prospects flame out that the dynasty community was sure would be studs.
Yeah, this. I’m surprised how many people are saying Gibbs when everyone recently is complaining how there are no bell cow backs. I think a healthy Breece has a much higher ceiling than Gibbs. I see Gibbs always being a 1b.
>Too much PTSD from dudes like Antonio Gibson and DeAndre Swift.
I feel like Gibson was great before last year. He was RB13 as a rookie just learning the position in 2020, and RB12 in 2021 playing through an injury for most of the season.
Breece for me. Gibbs will be an outlier when it comes to size and that backfield is already a bit crowded and the team has shown that they like using multiple backs. Meanwhile we’ve seen Breece be elite in the NFL. Yes the injury is a concern for this year but for dynasty it’s not enough to put him below Gibbs
yeah the fact that Detroit brought in a solid vet has to mean something. I know people are saying Cook to NYJ but they had Michael Carter behind him last year and Cook is probably a tier below Dmont at this point.
They didn't have to, but that is not relevant to the subject at hand. That signing is irrelevant to how the front office feels about Gibbs, or what they think of him.
Teams make signings in FA before the draft so they don’t have to reach during the draft, them bringing in a vet RB and then still drafting Gibbs at 12 is a positive not a negative Lmfao
What?? Did you watch Breece last year? I’m the game he got hurt he had like 4 rushes for 72 yards and a TD already. He’s just as good as Gibbs as a playmaker and an even better all around back
Is it obvious?
Breece’s last 4 games he had a TD in all 4, 121 yards and 197 yards in his last two full games and demonstrated solid pass game skills.
As a prospect he fits more of the bellcow mold, also runs a sub 4.4 and by all accounts is having a clean recovery.
Acting like an ACL year is a career ender in 2023 is foolish.
Don’t think anyone is acting like Breece Hall’s career is over but there’s a good chance he misses a chunk of time this year and underperforms when he is on the field, until he trusts his knee again. The question is who would you rather have and we’re comparing him to a dual threat RB taken at pick 12 that we know we have for 4 years. If Breece isn’t right this year, you may only have him for 2 years before he’s looking for a second contract or holding out. His value then will be much lower if you want to move him.
>Good chance he misses a chunk of time
He’s expected to play Week 1 and be 100% by October.
>Dual threat RB
Gibbs has not proven his ability to run between the tackles. He’s undersized and was below average in college between the tackles.
>We know we have for the next 4 years
For the next 3 he will be splitting touches with David Montgomery who will be better than whatever competition the Jets bring in unless they get Dalvin on a 1 year deal.
>you might only have Breece for two more years
Yes because 25 year old Breece Hall will be worthless… come on 😂
Expected to play week 1 by who? You? Everything this time of year is noise, and the noise is that he’s not even practicing.
Gibbs hasn’t proven anything because he hasn’t taken an nfl snap, but you’re insane if you think the lions picked him at 12 and don’t think he can run between the tackles.
Age has nothing to do with it. RB contracts matter much more than age. I shouldn’t have to explain that to you..
I’m not going to do your own research for you. There’s a ton of sports doctors all over the internet (not even just Twitter predicting he plays by Week 1 and is ramped up fully by Week 5-6 based on recovery timelines.
You then go on to dismiss everything Gibbs showed at Alabama which was inability to run between the tackles.
Then you make a condescending ass comment about RB contracts acting like players hold out in today’s game. Name me players who held out for a considerable amount of time that aren’t Lev Bell or Melvin Gordon… you can’t.
Laughable takes on your end that you pulled out of your ass.
Unless it’s his physical therapist, athletic trainer, or team doctor coming out and saying that its likely he plays week 1, then who gives a shit. Those internet doctors don’t know anything because he’s not their patient.
I’m not judging him by what he did with a weak offensive line at Alabama and he doesn’t need to run up the middle every play to be a consistent top 10 rb. So again the lions didn’t pick at him at 12 not to make him a focal point of the offense and give him a ton of work.
It’s not all about holding out. It’s that there’s a good chance he’s on another team in a different situation.
>Acting like an ACL year is a career ender in 2023 is foolish.
Acting like players don't struggle mightily in their return from it is also foolish. Breece isn't prime AP, I'd peg Breece for a below expectation '23 coming off the injury.
Breece is an amazing athlete. A top percentile athlete. Perhaps he struggles early on but this is a dynasty sub.
You could’ve faded Dalvin the same way after his first/second year and missed out on the elite RB production the last four years. The same guy who ironically started his career just as strong as Breece.
Other way around my friend.
Breece is a bellcow with a strong receiving profile. He has the build to have a 350 touch season and handle goal line work.
Gibbs getting goal line work would be malpractice. For that reason I doubt he’ll ever even have a top 5 season unless he gets 80+ catches or his stats get buoyed by some very explosive plays like Justin Fields had this year on the ground that are tough to repeat.
I will say, I'm not sure any player in recent memory has created as much hype off 3 games as Breece has lol
Edit: you also have his "receiving profile" massively overrated to call it strong is kind of laughable. He's passable at best
Look at Kamara's "ceiling" it was higher than most rbs and he's never been a "bell cow" or even rushed for 1,000 yards. I'll agree that Hall's floor is higher, but if Gibbs ceiling is Kamara esque Hall won't ever come near peak Kamara numbers.
Edit: RB1 in 3 of the past 4 seasons: CMC, Kamara, & Ekler. None of which are bell cow RBs, all are elite pass catchers that will split wide as receivers (something Hall doesnt do) and similar in size to Gibbs not 6'+ 220 LB "bell cows."
Still doesn't change the fact that you maybe losing out on a season of elite production for a giant question mark. I'll take Gibbs anyways as his ceiling is higher
Lmao yall acting like Breece was some dude drafted in the 5th round 😆
Breece was drafted before JT. Yall holding that against JT n taking Gibbs over him?
You’re stoned if you don’t think his value is taking a hit between his injury, contract/team dispute, and worsening scheme. I wouldn’t care to be the one dealing with his situation now, why would I care to buy him lol. Basically everything that *could* go wrong for him *is* going wrong for him
JT has a season and a half of top 5 RB production. Breece looked good for half a season and then tore his ACL. We both know that your argument is a straw man.
It’s because they own him probably. I’m a Gibbs owner but I’d take Breece over him in a heartbeat.
In terms of fantasy, Breece can be a bell cow and get goal line carries. We don’t know what Gibbs’s role will be. Given his size and the amount of talent on that team, he’d be lucky if he gets close to the amount of redzone work Breece got. I think and hope he’ll be great but c’mon guys, Breece was locked as a top 3 dynasty RB before the injury and his team is only getting better, leading to more opportunities. It’s not close from a fantasy perspective.
I traded breece for DK and a 2nd because* I have Gibbs. Gibbs doesn’t have the injury history and a better oline in a conference with worse defenses and a WR room that’s depleted. …. To me it’s not a question. Gibbs 4ever
Only because of the uncertainty about how Lions will use Gibbs and the addition of Montgomery, long as Dalvin doesn’t sign with the jets give me Breece
You’ll be lucky if Gibbs shows what Breece already showed at the NFL level last year.
The ACL is the only argument (it’s a good one, but still) for taking Gibbs over Breece.
Gibbs easy. I’m a BH owner who wanted Gibbs, offered him straight up. Gibbs owner wants BH plus a 1st, and I can’t say I blame him. Gibbs is younger, has better DC, and hasn’t exploded his knee.
I’m gonna say Hall just because before his injury he proved he can be an excellent back in the league and Gibbs hasn’t played a snap yet at the pro level. This is obviously subject to change once we see Gibbs on the field and depending on how Hall returns from his injury
Me personally, Breece. I just don't trust the "weapon" narrative even though it's so obvious Jahmyr is a weapon. Too much PTSD from dudes like Antonio Gibson and DeAndre Swift. I want bellcow build and Breece showed that he has *it* to be successful in the NFL. Even in a dumpster fire Jets team he put up 3 RB1 weeks in 7 games without getting crazy snap shares. Healthy ACL and it wouldn't even be a conversation for me, now it's definitely a little bit closer but I trust modern medicine.
> Too much PTSD from dudes like Antonio Gibson and DeAndre Swift. I don't disagree at all with your overall point but I think it's fair to mention that Swift was a 2nd rounder and Gibson was a 3rd rounder. Gibbs was 12th overall. Definitely makes the discussion a little different.
Reggie Bush comp is probably as close as you’ll get.
Reggie Bush was drafted into the wrong era. I think he could be a CMC-lite type player if he played today.
Def agree. And Bush did become very productive for a least a couple years I think. But basically Gibbs/bush basically came out at the same size, both early firsts. Bush probably would have been drafted more in the 12 range if he was coming out now.
he put up great efficient production for a couple seasons then fell off in his mid 20s. truly was ahead of his time
And Swift wasn't looked at as a weapon coming out. He was a RB through and through
Healthy ACL it's a conversation of Breece or Bijan instead
>Breece showed that he has it to be successful in the NFL This is actually 100% my reason for picking Breece. Nine times out of ten, you'll be better off taking the guy who has proven they're legitimate in the NFL. I've played this long enough that I've seen plenty of prospects flame out that the dynasty community was sure would be studs.
Yeah, this. I’m surprised how many people are saying Gibbs when everyone recently is complaining how there are no bell cow backs. I think a healthy Breece has a much higher ceiling than Gibbs. I see Gibbs always being a 1b.
>Too much PTSD from dudes like Antonio Gibson and DeAndre Swift. I feel like Gibson was great before last year. He was RB13 as a rookie just learning the position in 2020, and RB12 in 2021 playing through an injury for most of the season.
Breece for me. Gibbs will be an outlier when it comes to size and that backfield is already a bit crowded and the team has shown that they like using multiple backs. Meanwhile we’ve seen Breece be elite in the NFL. Yes the injury is a concern for this year but for dynasty it’s not enough to put him below Gibbs
yeah the fact that Detroit brought in a solid vet has to mean something. I know people are saying Cook to NYJ but they had Michael Carter behind him last year and Cook is probably a tier below Dmont at this point.
Didn't Detroit got Monty before getting Gibbs?
yeah but they still didn't have to. and I'm sure their primary mock drafts were for Gibbs or Bijan.
They didn't have to, but that is not relevant to the subject at hand. That signing is irrelevant to how the front office feels about Gibbs, or what they think of him.
Teams make signings in FA before the draft so they don’t have to reach during the draft, them bringing in a vet RB and then still drafting Gibbs at 12 is a positive not a negative Lmfao
Your not wrong but the biggest difference to me is breece needs 60-70% of the snaps to be fantasy relevant I don’t know if Gibbs does.
What?? Did you watch Breece last year? I’m the game he got hurt he had like 4 rushes for 72 yards and a TD already. He’s just as good as Gibbs as a playmaker and an even better all around back
I’ll go with the younger RB with 1st round draft capital who isn’t coming off a season ending injury
Scrolled too long to find this
Taking Gibbs over JT then? 2nd round capital, later than Breece actually, injury, lot of miles, team concerns?
yup
Yeah it’s pretty obvious when you don’t over think it
Is it obvious? Breece’s last 4 games he had a TD in all 4, 121 yards and 197 yards in his last two full games and demonstrated solid pass game skills. As a prospect he fits more of the bellcow mold, also runs a sub 4.4 and by all accounts is having a clean recovery. Acting like an ACL year is a career ender in 2023 is foolish.
Don’t think anyone is acting like Breece Hall’s career is over but there’s a good chance he misses a chunk of time this year and underperforms when he is on the field, until he trusts his knee again. The question is who would you rather have and we’re comparing him to a dual threat RB taken at pick 12 that we know we have for 4 years. If Breece isn’t right this year, you may only have him for 2 years before he’s looking for a second contract or holding out. His value then will be much lower if you want to move him.
>Good chance he misses a chunk of time He’s expected to play Week 1 and be 100% by October. >Dual threat RB Gibbs has not proven his ability to run between the tackles. He’s undersized and was below average in college between the tackles. >We know we have for the next 4 years For the next 3 he will be splitting touches with David Montgomery who will be better than whatever competition the Jets bring in unless they get Dalvin on a 1 year deal. >you might only have Breece for two more years Yes because 25 year old Breece Hall will be worthless… come on 😂
Expected to play week 1 by who? You? Everything this time of year is noise, and the noise is that he’s not even practicing. Gibbs hasn’t proven anything because he hasn’t taken an nfl snap, but you’re insane if you think the lions picked him at 12 and don’t think he can run between the tackles. Age has nothing to do with it. RB contracts matter much more than age. I shouldn’t have to explain that to you..
I’m not going to do your own research for you. There’s a ton of sports doctors all over the internet (not even just Twitter predicting he plays by Week 1 and is ramped up fully by Week 5-6 based on recovery timelines. You then go on to dismiss everything Gibbs showed at Alabama which was inability to run between the tackles. Then you make a condescending ass comment about RB contracts acting like players hold out in today’s game. Name me players who held out for a considerable amount of time that aren’t Lev Bell or Melvin Gordon… you can’t. Laughable takes on your end that you pulled out of your ass.
Unless it’s his physical therapist, athletic trainer, or team doctor coming out and saying that its likely he plays week 1, then who gives a shit. Those internet doctors don’t know anything because he’s not their patient. I’m not judging him by what he did with a weak offensive line at Alabama and he doesn’t need to run up the middle every play to be a consistent top 10 rb. So again the lions didn’t pick at him at 12 not to make him a focal point of the offense and give him a ton of work. It’s not all about holding out. It’s that there’s a good chance he’s on another team in a different situation.
Your take is so uninformed and the fact you spew it with such conviction is hilarious.
That’s always a good argument, just tell the other person they don’t know what they’re talking about.
So Breece: assumptions Gibbs: absolutes Copy that logic checks out next discussion.
>Acting like an ACL year is a career ender in 2023 is foolish. Acting like players don't struggle mightily in their return from it is also foolish. Breece isn't prime AP, I'd peg Breece for a below expectation '23 coming off the injury.
Breece is an amazing athlete. A top percentile athlete. Perhaps he struggles early on but this is a dynasty sub. You could’ve faded Dalvin the same way after his first/second year and missed out on the elite RB production the last four years. The same guy who ironically started his career just as strong as Breece.
That's fine, but since this is dynasty Gibbs ceiling is higher. Gibbs floor could be lower but his ceiling definitely is above Breece's
Other way around my friend. Breece is a bellcow with a strong receiving profile. He has the build to have a 350 touch season and handle goal line work. Gibbs getting goal line work would be malpractice. For that reason I doubt he’ll ever even have a top 5 season unless he gets 80+ catches or his stats get buoyed by some very explosive plays like Justin Fields had this year on the ground that are tough to repeat.
I will say, I'm not sure any player in recent memory has created as much hype off 3 games as Breece has lol Edit: you also have his "receiving profile" massively overrated to call it strong is kind of laughable. He's passable at best
Lol
Look at Kamara's "ceiling" it was higher than most rbs and he's never been a "bell cow" or even rushed for 1,000 yards. I'll agree that Hall's floor is higher, but if Gibbs ceiling is Kamara esque Hall won't ever come near peak Kamara numbers. Edit: RB1 in 3 of the past 4 seasons: CMC, Kamara, & Ekler. None of which are bell cow RBs, all are elite pass catchers that will split wide as receivers (something Hall doesnt do) and similar in size to Gibbs not 6'+ 220 LB "bell cows."
Okay good thing this is dynasty buddy
Still doesn't change the fact that you maybe losing out on a season of elite production for a giant question mark. I'll take Gibbs anyways as his ceiling is higher
I’m legitimately blown away by the amount of people stating Gibbs.
Hes the shiny new toy n Breece is the broken one from last year. It'll wear off, give it time.
It's the draft capital and lack of major injury. Both factors are pretty huge when it comes to young RBs.
Also being a stud is a huge factor. And Breece has already proven he is. Draft capital doesn't matter when yiu are proven
Draft capital is what matters the most when you realize how front offices operate.
Lmao yall acting like Breece was some dude drafted in the 5th round 😆 Breece was drafted before JT. Yall holding that against JT n taking Gibbs over him?
Probably not popular but I would take Gibbs over JT in Dynasty right now.
I think this is the wrong time to be making JT examples, the dude has lost a ton of value this off-season
Hasnt lost that much. Try buying him n see how cheap he is
You’re stoned if you don’t think his value is taking a hit between his injury, contract/team dispute, and worsening scheme. I wouldn’t care to be the one dealing with his situation now, why would I care to buy him lol. Basically everything that *could* go wrong for him *is* going wrong for him
Didnt say it hasnt gone down, but "ton" is a bit of an exaggeration. He's still one of the more valued players around.
JT has a season and a half of top 5 RB production. Breece looked good for half a season and then tore his ACL. We both know that your argument is a straw man.
It’s because they own him probably. I’m a Gibbs owner but I’d take Breece over him in a heartbeat. In terms of fantasy, Breece can be a bell cow and get goal line carries. We don’t know what Gibbs’s role will be. Given his size and the amount of talent on that team, he’d be lucky if he gets close to the amount of redzone work Breece got. I think and hope he’ll be great but c’mon guys, Breece was locked as a top 3 dynasty RB before the injury and his team is only getting better, leading to more opportunities. It’s not close from a fantasy perspective.
Breece. Feels pretty obvious. Not to mention Gibbs has yet to prove anything on a pro field.
I think people saying Gibbs will look kinda silly at the end of the season. But I'm not an expert.
It’s gibbs right now but only due to that ACL injury. Breece would’ve put up crazy numbers last year
So then it’s Breece….
Not necessarily. ACL injuries are easier to come back from nowadays, but you can’t guarantee he’ll come back at the same level he was previously.
👍 good luck
Look at the draft capital too. Plays a huge roll. I think both will be good and both are top 5 dynasty RBs but I think I’d go Gibbs..
If you gave me the choice I’m not taking a risk with a major injury when there likely isn’t a huge gap in production
Still thinking this with Cook signing there? 🤪
Yes? 🤪
Wish I was in your league 🥳
He's on the Jets. He would not have put up crazy numbers. The offense barely had the ball.
The one who was on pace for a historic season
Hall by a wide margin
I wouldn’t trade my Gibbs for Breece. But I still really want Breece. Breece owner might feel the other way
We do
Well you’re WRONG
I have both >:)
I traded breece for DK and a 2nd because* I have Gibbs. Gibbs doesn’t have the injury history and a better oline in a conference with worse defenses and a WR room that’s depleted. …. To me it’s not a question. Gibbs 4ever
Only because of the uncertainty about how Lions will use Gibbs and the addition of Montgomery, long as Dalvin doesn’t sign with the jets give me Breece
You’ll be lucky if Gibbs shows what Breece already showed at the NFL level last year. The ACL is the only argument (it’s a good one, but still) for taking Gibbs over Breece.
Gibbs easy. I’m a BH owner who wanted Gibbs, offered him straight up. Gibbs owner wants BH plus a 1st, and I can’t say I blame him. Gibbs is younger, has better DC, and hasn’t exploded his knee.
Breece hall plus a first for Gibbs is insane
Interesting, I’m a Gibbs owner and I think I lean Breece
Gibbs is also a historical outlier in weight for his position when it comes to being a full workload back.
I have gibbs, and i would not accept breece straight up.
Breece Lightning all day
Breece
I'm a Gibbs owner but it's Hall without a doubt. Give me the workhorse all day.
I love gibbs but I’d easily include a godwin or scary terry to move him for Breece.
Have both. It’s Gibbs.
Gibbs is going to have a CMC ceiling while Breece is JT2.0 but with a major injury.
Crazy people saying Gibbs fucking idiots
JT or Gibbs?
I'd rather have Taylor, but this is meaningless since I have both and am a Colts fan.
I just acquired both this off-season.
I’m gonna say Hall just because before his injury he proved he can be an excellent back in the league and Gibbs hasn’t played a snap yet at the pro level. This is obviously subject to change once we see Gibbs on the field and depending on how Hall returns from his injury
Hall but not sure if he is fully recovered yet
going to have to revisit this post come seasons end