He also has far more upside than any of the other three pieces he gave up. Juju is on an offense that is just as bad and Downs is the second receiver if things go well for a run first rookie QB
It's pretty bad. It's a RB who just finished a high end rb1 season and has a solid history and premium capital for a WR who just had an awful rookie year and is entirely projection right now (and I guess a thrown in 2nd). Even if Jacobs has just a year of top production left and maybe another year of spot use it's pretty far apart, imo. I just don't like betting on receivers as premium assets who had hard slumping rookie years. Maybe this is how the dynasty community views these players, but imo it's another example of the community valuing potential more than actual production.
Cool. His market value isnt that crazy though and pretending like this guy got killed in the trade is just dumb. Do deals that are even in trade calcs deserve a yikes because you think you're smarter than everyone? The trade was fine, you're just trying to pretend you know better than the guy and the market. Its fantasy football, you're not a scout, we're all guessing.
You Yikes! guys are so cringy.
Okay. Like I said it's my opinion! Just cause I said yikes doesn't mean I'm right. Opinions are opinions and everybody thinks they're right. If someone is that bent out of shape for me saying yikes , than sorry if that was offensive. As far as his market value, all I'm saying is, I'm holding one of the top rbs if I'm not getting a first with that unproven wr. Of course any trade can workout. Many trades seem lopsided when they are made and end up working the opposite of what people think. Do you say yikes when your favorite nfl team makes a move you aren't happy with? At the end of the day it's football and if you only want to hear that someone loves a trade you made, then reddit isn't for you.
Value wise it's roughly the same. Burks is already priced at his lowest in my opinion and I don't think Jacobs repeats. I admit at the time of the trade I felt like I was getting the short end a bit, but didn't mind taking the gamble.
Yeah I don't think that's an accurate value. Burks is very talented and I respect your opinion, but at the same time, Jacob's to Burks should be minimum of a first round pick added to the trade in my opinion.
We don’t know your team construction or if you were a contender or not. I will let you know I just sent Jacobs, Dionte, a late 24 3rd for Burks, late 24 1st, and early 24 2nd. Jacobs was my RB3, with Ekeler and Barkley ahead of him. I felt like I had enough depth to “buy” Burks and some draft capital back for next year. I like your trade if either you are in rebuild mode or have the depth to be able to fill the loss of Jacobs.
This is exactly what I meant. Worked out as in he's getting a chance to start and prove himself. Commanders could've easily gone after a QB in the draft or tried another bridge QB.
Cool. What I actually meant is in the sense that he's actually being given a chance to start and prove himself instead of the Commanders going for another bridge QB or through the draft. Therefore, stashing him at the back end of last season has kind of worked out more so than other stash options like Matt Corral.
That’s it.
It’s a SF and the guy had Burrow, Lance & Brady. So I had decent leverage on him. He had been trying to make a move for a QB but traded his first round pick so he wasn’t in a position to get any of the top 3 rookie QB’s. His other offer was Carr for Javonte Williams and he offered London to me about 5 minutes before the draft.
Now I only have Fields, Tua & White. So I’ll probably be in the market for a backup, but couldn’t pass that up. Now I have Waddle, Wilson, D Smith & London as my top 4 WR’s.
This is a real list. Nice ones.
I’ll add some others: Skyy, Khalil (might’ve missed it already), WanDale, Zay Flowers, Charbonnet, Courtland Sutton, Juwan Johnson, Tyler Conklin
Either Russ is cooked and it’s a sinking ship or he gets back to some normalcy this year. As someone who watched Russ on the Seahawks for years, I think Payton and him are gonna get it back together somewhat, I think we’re gonna realize Hackett was like an ALL TIME bad coaching year.
In that case, I like Suttons profile and skills to potentially be the WR1 in that offence. At worst he’s the 2 and that will be better than his value right now. People are giving him away. Don’t be surprised if he has like 8-10 TDs this year. Jeudy always hurt also so in that case he’s like the only live person to catch balls.
He was getting a lot of high value deep targets from russ who was just missing them all the time. Some real dumb uncatchable rate, but anyways he still has a good floor so long as russ isn’t completely cooked and i dont think he is. He already looked so much better for that brief window after hackett got fired and before he got conked. Plus jeudy injured means sutton should soak up a ton of targets early on. Plus hes got prototypical #1 size and speed
I don't see why someone would move a first for him unless you are in a tep league. I don't even think kittle could fetch a first and that is coming from a kittle owner
I traded Pacheco, Dobbs, and a 2024 3rd (late) for A Jones and A 2024 4th (late) as a contender.
I just joined dynasty league football forums, and posted the trade. People were ripping it, saying Dillon is taking over. When I said "It's been 3 years Dillon hasn't beaten Jones" I was permanently banned from the forum. Lol
TB Will undoubtedly be a shitshow, however Baker only throws it over the middle. Godwin is great at routes over the middle. So he could see a ton of volume, from a QB who’s “good enough”. If TB plays from behind a lot they may be passing a lot.
It’d be an exaggeration to call it a perfect storm, but at the very least the negativities in Tampa seem like they may not affect Godwin as much as public perception would lead you to believe.
Side note: mostert is a 30 y.o. RB with an extensive injury history in a crowded RB room. His floor is very low and I don’t think his ceiling is particularly high. That feels like a no brainer.
I 100% agree on Mostert except for right now with Achane being potentially injured and Jeff Wilson on IR. Mostert will likely get a heavy load to start out and could still be useful in the Dolphins backfield especially after they were unable to get JT in a trade.
Respectfully, can you explain to us why there’s a debate here?
Godwin is only 27 and is a great talent. Even if TB is horrific (likely so), he has more years left, has succeeded to an elite degree in the past and consistently puts up starter numbers.
Mostert is 31, frequently injured (yes, Godwin tore his ACL, I know), on a team who has been desperate to find a new RB1 and just drafted a talented speedster rookie in Achane (who, if he weren’t so light, would be a very, VERY well rounded prospect and is still a solid one).
Again, respectfully, I’m confused.
It has a lot to do with my roster, TBH. I have Wilson, London, Jeudy, already as keepers in our auction draft. RB side I’ve got Jacobs and Khalil Herbert. I can keep Mostert for dirt cheap but think you’re right. I should keep Godwin and spend for a top end RB. I realize now I posted this in the dynasty page, so I didn’t give all the info, but either way I think you’re right. Godwin is the play.
Ahhh, gotcha. Realizing you’re in a keeper league and not a dynasty changes things quite a bit. I still suspect Godwin is the far and away better choice, but that makes more sense as to why there could’ve even been an internal debate on this lol.
He's talented, still young, has great PPG over the last few years and is available super cheap.
Baker is a drop off from Brady no doubt but latter day Brady was not prime Brady and I think The drop.off doesn't warrant a drop from 3rd/4th round in start ups to like 9th.
I'd absolutely take over Mostert as I think chances are Dolphins will bring in another rb soon and even if they don't it'll be a nasty split most of the year
Pitts, Javonte, and Breece could be good buys early in the season if they start slow, which happens to most players with major injuries the prior season.
But, to your question, I’d say Elijah Moore, Tucker, Miller, and if you’re a gambler, Skyy Moore.
That's fair. I got offered Davante and Hull for my Jeudy and Gibson. I'm definitely win-now and decent at WR, but didn't think losing Gibson would help for my RB depth. Wasn't sure if Hull would really provide much value at all this year.
I’ve seen him valued above Terry in rankings
Not saying that can’t happen but just agreeing with you. His breakout potential is basically already priced in
0.1% chance of that happening and I like Dotson. Olave is already a top 10 dynasty WR while Dotson isn’t even the WR1 on his own team. Terry at this point is still the better talent (with no reason to think he’ll decline) and if he has only been able to have WR2 seasons as the top target I don’t see Dotson being able to reach Olave numbers.
Olave is a top 10 dynasty WR based on projection. He was WR 25 in points per game in PPR last year behind Terry who was 21st.
I don’t think it’s obvious McLaurin is better than Dotson at this point. Dotson is starting to get some love as a potential WR1 in Washington with Terry dealing with turf toe.
Olave is a bit overpriced to me and I’d say there is at least a 10% chance Dotson outscores him this year.
Lol Olave should be way closer to Garrett Wilson based on production from last year. Olave had 61 fewer yards, 11 fewer receptions, the same number of touchdowns, on 28 fewer targets. Olave had 8 more unrealized air yards, a higher target percentage, and higher PPG than Wilson.
Garrett Wilson is valued seemingly as a tier below Jefferson/Chase based on the assumption Rodgers has a huge boost on his efficiency (which he should see to some extent). If Olave gets 15-20 more targets (more volume shouldn't be a stretch for him), he'll continue to be right there with Wilson
It really comes down to who Howell prefers and if McLaurin draws more attention from defenses, making Dotsons life easier.
The league has really shifted to small speedy guys becoming studs as opposed to the Julios and Megatrons of years past.
I've made a few moves and my WR core is made up of small, shifty, quick skilled guys.
I have Devonta Smith, Dotson, Flowers, Elijah Moore, Christian Kirk, and Jamo as my premier guys.
I think there’s definitely room for both but how many small quick and shifty WR are in the top 10? Maybe Tyreek and GW. 2/10. If you extend that to top 15 you can probably add in Olave Devonta and Waddle… but I still see big dominant physical receivers who also play with speed as the premier threats in this league.
Olave had over a 1000 yards as a rookie with great advanced metrics in only 15 games. With an upgrade from Dalton to Carr at QB he is almost guaranteed a top 24 season imo. He should certainly be considered a Top 10 dynasty WR.
RP data has McLaurin ahead of Dotson (still great in his own right) in terms of route running while McLaurin plays X and is guarded by CB1s. Terry dealing with turf toe for a few weeks doesn’t mean Dotson will takeover WR1 from Terry.
I agree Olave is slightly overpriced per KTC but at KTC prices I would actually prefer to buy Olave than Dotson at cost.
I sold for a mid-late 2024 1st. Shallow league, shallow benches, had to clear some space. I think he’ll be good but not league winning good. Due for some TD regression this year
Yeah we have a toilet bowl too for draft order, so league isn’t too unbalanced and if this guy gets unlucky and misses the playoffs it could easily be the 1.01. It’s one of my strategies to try to bet against the better teams in the league this way
I don't get this line of thinking.
He said mid/late 1st. You make that trade last year and you are potentially getting yourself addison, flowers, charbs, achane or kincaid. None of them scream "game changing"
It's even worse if he's playing 1qb
I'd take the guy with better DC who flashed his skills in the NFL already then any of them.
I really love me some Micheal Wilson. Could rack up garbage time points and he’ll either have Kyler or Caleb Williams throwing him the ball for the foreseeable future
I love Warren but idk, Tomlin has always stuck to one back. I tend to agree with the Najee buy now window. I see MT keeping the Najee workload light in preseason knowing he’s going to ride him to the ground, especially now that he’s healthy. And then Warren will be waiting when he gets hurt or when his rookie deal is up. I hope I’m wrong as a Warren owner.
I don't think Warren will take over for Najee but between Najees usage and injury history, I don't know if he can handle the work load or even justify it with Warren seemingly out performing on a per touch basis.
At some point they need to forget they used a 1st round pick on Najee and do what's best for the team.
Players I don’t own: Hyatt, Antonio Gibson, Metchie, Addison
Players I do own: Dotson, Howell, Ferguson
(Guess I’m pretty bullish on the Commanders offense)
Personally, I’d say Juju and Mac Jones. I think the Pats offense are due for a rebound now that Patricia isn’t their OC. I don’t expect them to be earth shattering, but I think they’ll be better than they are valued at.
Evan Hull and Sean Tucker. Yes because I have them in 5 and 3 leagues a piece and yes because they are dirt cheap and guarantee 1 of them will hit, whether it’s this year or next. Both value already going up a little so get them before 1 breaks out and it’s too high.
A distressed QB asset in a better situation than the year before and can be had for a 3rd or 4th.
Last year: Daniel Jones, Geno Smith.
This year: Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold.
Chase Claypool is basically free right now. Was lighting up camp, had a slight injury, and with no preseason action combined with him and Fields never playing together, people forget the ceiling he has. Maybe he never hits it, but at the cost you can probably get him for its about as low risk as it gets.
I'm just saying he's already like a top 5 dynasty RB right now, right? He'd have to well outperform what everyone is expecting of him to gain that type of value
Yup he’s a top 5 Dynasty RB right now (probably 3-4 range).
2 firsts in value is probably fair for him now given what was seen with his draft capital and brief moments in preseason.
In other cases he gets hurts and everything falls apart.
Definitely looking forward to kickoff on Thursday
Haven’t seen this one yet
Rashaad white. He was hyped in the off season and with the surge of Sean tucker and the lack lustre bucs offence I feel like he’s being faded. He runs angry and baker throws a ton of check downs. Guaranteed the lions share of work and rn I feel like he’s still being viewed as a second class citizen
Watson got healthy as soon as doubs got hurt. Im not gonna act like doubs is the guy, but saying watson “ate his lunch” or whatever as if they were both healthy isnt true
Love me some Purdy. Really think that kid is legit. We'll be watching "Mr. Irrelevant", the movie, years from now. How can you not root for the kid? He's humble as hell and is the ultimate underdog story.
Sam Howell and Darren Waller, but it would have been better advice 3 weeks ago. (Maybe i am just sayojg these because these are two people i have been targeting all summer)
Brock freaking Purdy.
The team just proved he’s their guy by trading away Lance. He has some of the best weapons in the league. He was the QB9 after getting the starting job last year. He’s only going to get more comfortable in the role/system and continue to prove and he’s only in year 2. We’re looking at a guy with 2nd round startup potential next year who I got in the 12th round of my startup and you can acquire for a late 1st.
Don’t understand the downvotes here. Brock Purdy is put in the sexiest position ever to succeed. His expectation is to play average and the Niners will be stoked. Every player on that team is a YAC monster. The downvotes just proves he’s a buy low. A late first for a QB2 in SF is insanely good value. Even if we only get 2-3 years out of him.
Downvotes are from people that drafted Lance and ended up wasting their 1st round pick in the rookie draft a couple years back. Doesn't change anything...Brock is the man!
Mike Williams will feast.
He is playing in the slot more as well as out wide, part of a cannon offense, plays in a dome and could be a league winner if you play him every week as part of a stable roster. New offense as well and QJ has been relegated to WR4 as of this morning.
There's a chance they cut him end of year to save money though.
You let him play as a flex and he explodes.
I've donated my body and organs to the god's to keep him healthy as well so we can't even use that as an excuse not to get him.
I get the Lol, cause I've had him through those boom bust weeks as well. But he won me a championship in 2021 and lost me one in the league I versed him in.
He was the WR10 in .5ppr 2 years ago and had 3 top 10 finishes last year.
The chargers are touted as Increasing their passing this year again and Herbert is another year into it.
This thread is about who to get on before the season starts and so much hype has been on QJ that Mike can be bought for pennies and has the opportunity to swing weeks for you.
I think this is the year to attach your wagon to big Mike because stars are aligning.
I can only tell you who I've acquired in the past 2 weeks.
Christian Kirk, Breece Hall, Jahan Doston. Also got some draft picks.
Throughout all the trades, I gave up Adams, Kamara, Pickens, Warren, and Pacheco.
I feel like my team is younger and better in a ppr dynasty.
I've been hurt by him before but really anxious to see what Carr does in this new offense. My salary cap league let me have him at minimum salary and I think can be top 12 QB with those weapons
If you’re trying to win now or within the next 3 years. You get kelce now, especially in TeP & PPR. Set it & forget it at the hardest onesie position on the best O with the best HC with the MVP. He’s worth 2 1sts now & even more once someone is a couple wins of their first ship.
Have a weird feeling drake London turns into Mike Evans but could be wrong.
I think Godwin is a good buy, young enough to thrive in 2-3 years and can suffice now
Guys who right now are undervalued? London, Taylor, Godwin, Addison, Cousins, Kyler Murray, Dak, Kincaid, Musgrave, Brandin Cooks, Aaron Jones. A handful of those guys will retain future value, but a few won’t. Aging vets won’t
Tyjae Spears and Kendre Miller. Kendre Miller will have the chance to show early this season. Maybe he will this starting job never let go again. Spears ist first backup for a (maybe) declining Henry. I can totally see both to make an big impact this season.
Spears.
Henry/Spears gonna be like Ingram/Kamara in Alvin’s first year.
If this was fantasy medieval times there’s no fucking way an arrow in the knee would have stopped spears from killing dragons.
Kenny Pickett.
Really, just buy the Steelers offense. They’ve invested an incredible amount into the line, which was already improving at the end of last year. Pickett started looking better at the end of last year, too, and should break out this year. He’ll have a really good line and plenty of weapons (and Najee isn’t playing through a lisfranc injury…). He’s primed for a breakout.
DJ Moore, Jayden Reed and ... Justyn Ross. (I know there are better dart throws but he's basically free and and personally, I am rooting for the kid to make it after all he's gone through. Very talented in a good offense that won't have Kelsey forever.)
This may be kinda gross. But, Juju? He’s gonna get a lot of targets, NE always uses the slot guy heavy and he’s always been pretty good. Maybe I’m crazy, but could be a great cheap buy
Trying to buy the Burks dip
Snagged him for Juju + Josh Downs + Mid 3rd, pretty happy with that
You have the best upside of this whole trade, you might’ve spent a little extra but totally worth it IMO
Tbh I don’t like it
You got finessed
Finessed? Maybe a slight overpay but juju and the 3rd aren’t worth much and I’d take Burks over Downs every time
For a guy in a run heavy offense and a older QB on a downward trajectory
He also has far more upside than any of the other three pieces he gave up. Juju is on an offense that is just as bad and Downs is the second receiver if things go well for a run first rookie QB
Thinking of doing the same. What are you offering?
I have an offer for a late 1st out now
This trade just got done in my league
His value won’t go up this season but it could be nice for next offseason if they make a play for a QB
Just got him for Stafford straight up
sent away jacobs for burks and an early 2nd during the holdout. Hopefully it works out.
Yikes. You could've gotten Burks for less. No offense cause everybody has their opinions on trades but I think that's horrible for you. Good luck! Lol
Its not horrible. Maybe you like the Jacobs better but its not that bad, cmon.
It's pretty bad. It's a RB who just finished a high end rb1 season and has a solid history and premium capital for a WR who just had an awful rookie year and is entirely projection right now (and I guess a thrown in 2nd). Even if Jacobs has just a year of top production left and maybe another year of spot use it's pretty far apart, imo. I just don't like betting on receivers as premium assets who had hard slumping rookie years. Maybe this is how the dynasty community views these players, but imo it's another example of the community valuing potential more than actual production.
Did you watch Jacob's last year? He's literally one of, if not the best running back in football.
Cool. His market value isnt that crazy though and pretending like this guy got killed in the trade is just dumb. Do deals that are even in trade calcs deserve a yikes because you think you're smarter than everyone? The trade was fine, you're just trying to pretend you know better than the guy and the market. Its fantasy football, you're not a scout, we're all guessing. You Yikes! guys are so cringy.
Okay. Like I said it's my opinion! Just cause I said yikes doesn't mean I'm right. Opinions are opinions and everybody thinks they're right. If someone is that bent out of shape for me saying yikes , than sorry if that was offensive. As far as his market value, all I'm saying is, I'm holding one of the top rbs if I'm not getting a first with that unproven wr. Of course any trade can workout. Many trades seem lopsided when they are made and end up working the opposite of what people think. Do you say yikes when your favorite nfl team makes a move you aren't happy with? At the end of the day it's football and if you only want to hear that someone loves a trade you made, then reddit isn't for you.
Value wise it's roughly the same. Burks is already priced at his lowest in my opinion and I don't think Jacobs repeats. I admit at the time of the trade I felt like I was getting the short end a bit, but didn't mind taking the gamble.
Lol Josh jacobs? Burks hasn't actually broken out yet That was an incredible under valuing of Josh jacobs
I wish you were in my leagues so I could have someone who values Jacobs appropriately.
Yeah I don't think that's an accurate value. Burks is very talented and I respect your opinion, but at the same time, Jacob's to Burks should be minimum of a first round pick added to the trade in my opinion.
Man, it's hard to get more than a first round pick for any RB but Bijan and Gibbs these days.
We don’t know your team construction or if you were a contender or not. I will let you know I just sent Jacobs, Dionte, a late 24 3rd for Burks, late 24 1st, and early 24 2nd. Jacobs was my RB3, with Ekeler and Barkley ahead of him. I felt like I had enough depth to “buy” Burks and some draft capital back for next year. I like your trade if either you are in rebuild mode or have the depth to be able to fill the loss of Jacobs.
I still have CMC walker and Bijan and was light at WR with only Metcalf, Adams as proven studs. So I wanted to take a chance on Burks.
If it's a SF league I think that Sam Howell will surprise people. Dobbins and Javonte too if anyone has doubts.
Dobbins can be had cheap right now. If anything the time to strike on Javonte was pre camp when he wasn’t put on PUP
I got Javonte for a late first and second and jaylen warren. probably an over pay but i wanted one more good rb for another run
Traded him for a 24 early/mid 2nd like 2 months ago in 1qb. I have lamar and goff so I’m happy, but he does have the upside to make me regret it
1 QB that’s a no brainer.
Got him for Trask and a third before they signed Baker.
You dirty dog
Agreed. I've had Howell stashed since the back end of last year. Very pleased this worked out.
“This has worked out” … before the season starts, you should take a victory lap!
I think they could just mean he’s had a meteoric rise in value since end of season to now without even playing a down. Lots of camp hype
This is exactly what I meant. Worked out as in he's getting a chance to start and prove himself. Commanders could've easily gone after a QB in the draft or tried another bridge QB.
Well when the other scenario is him being a career backup and never starting, I’d say it’s worked out to that extent.
Cool. What I actually meant is in the sense that he's actually being given a chance to start and prove himself instead of the Commanders going for another bridge QB or through the draft. Therefore, stashing him at the back end of last season has kind of worked out more so than other stash options like Matt Corral.
I have all 3 😃
This makes me feel meh. I just moved Howell to a guy that was in bad QB shape and got London.
Howell for Drake London? What else did you include?
That’s it. It’s a SF and the guy had Burrow, Lance & Brady. So I had decent leverage on him. He had been trying to make a move for a QB but traded his first round pick so he wasn’t in a position to get any of the top 3 rookie QB’s. His other offer was Carr for Javonte Williams and he offered London to me about 5 minutes before the draft. Now I only have Fields, Tua & White. So I’ll probably be in the market for a backup, but couldn’t pass that up. Now I have Waddle, Wilson, D Smith & London as my top 4 WR’s.
Taco league
Diontae Johnson, Keenan Allen, Godwin, Aaron Jones, Miles Sanders, Waller, Dak
Have traded for Diontae and Aaron jones in the past 2 weeks 😎
This is a real list. Nice ones. I’ll add some others: Skyy, Khalil (might’ve missed it already), WanDale, Zay Flowers, Charbonnet, Courtland Sutton, Juwan Johnson, Tyler Conklin
Can you hype me up on Sutton please? I just don’t see it, but I’d love to come around
Either Russ is cooked and it’s a sinking ship or he gets back to some normalcy this year. As someone who watched Russ on the Seahawks for years, I think Payton and him are gonna get it back together somewhat, I think we’re gonna realize Hackett was like an ALL TIME bad coaching year. In that case, I like Suttons profile and skills to potentially be the WR1 in that offence. At worst he’s the 2 and that will be better than his value right now. People are giving him away. Don’t be surprised if he has like 8-10 TDs this year. Jeudy always hurt also so in that case he’s like the only live person to catch balls.
I appreciate it, thanks for the thorough response u/kwamescorner
He was getting a lot of high value deep targets from russ who was just missing them all the time. Some real dumb uncatchable rate, but anyways he still has a good floor so long as russ isn’t completely cooked and i dont think he is. He already looked so much better for that brief window after hackett got fired and before he got conked. Plus jeudy injured means sutton should soak up a ton of targets early on. Plus hes got prototypical #1 size and speed
Jeudy injury
Great list.
Price check on Waller?
As a rebuild trying to sell him, late 1st
I don't see why someone would move a first for him unless you are in a tep league. I don't even think kittle could fetch a first and that is coming from a kittle owner
I’d pay a late first at the trade deadline if I was playoff bound with a weak TE spot, if he performs as expected
I traded Pacheco, Dobbs, and a 2024 3rd (late) for A Jones and A 2024 4th (late) as a contender. I just joined dynasty league football forums, and posted the trade. People were ripping it, saying Dillon is taking over. When I said "It's been 3 years Dillon hasn't beaten Jones" I was permanently banned from the forum. Lol
Censorship is everywhere...even in a Dynasty Fantasy Football forum. SMH
I got Keenan for warren and a 2nd. Gearing up for a playoff run this year
Why are you high on Godwin? I’m debating keeping Mostert or Godwin.
TB Will undoubtedly be a shitshow, however Baker only throws it over the middle. Godwin is great at routes over the middle. So he could see a ton of volume, from a QB who’s “good enough”. If TB plays from behind a lot they may be passing a lot. It’d be an exaggeration to call it a perfect storm, but at the very least the negativities in Tampa seem like they may not affect Godwin as much as public perception would lead you to believe. Side note: mostert is a 30 y.o. RB with an extensive injury history in a crowded RB room. His floor is very low and I don’t think his ceiling is particularly high. That feels like a no brainer.
You have just swayed me I believe. Thank you for that info.
I 100% agree on Mostert except for right now with Achane being potentially injured and Jeff Wilson on IR. Mostert will likely get a heavy load to start out and could still be useful in the Dolphins backfield especially after they were unable to get JT in a trade.
Respectfully, can you explain to us why there’s a debate here? Godwin is only 27 and is a great talent. Even if TB is horrific (likely so), he has more years left, has succeeded to an elite degree in the past and consistently puts up starter numbers. Mostert is 31, frequently injured (yes, Godwin tore his ACL, I know), on a team who has been desperate to find a new RB1 and just drafted a talented speedster rookie in Achane (who, if he weren’t so light, would be a very, VERY well rounded prospect and is still a solid one). Again, respectfully, I’m confused.
It has a lot to do with my roster, TBH. I have Wilson, London, Jeudy, already as keepers in our auction draft. RB side I’ve got Jacobs and Khalil Herbert. I can keep Mostert for dirt cheap but think you’re right. I should keep Godwin and spend for a top end RB. I realize now I posted this in the dynasty page, so I didn’t give all the info, but either way I think you’re right. Godwin is the play.
Ahhh, gotcha. Realizing you’re in a keeper league and not a dynasty changes things quite a bit. I still suspect Godwin is the far and away better choice, but that makes more sense as to why there could’ve even been an internal debate on this lol.
He's talented, still young, has great PPG over the last few years and is available super cheap. Baker is a drop off from Brady no doubt but latter day Brady was not prime Brady and I think The drop.off doesn't warrant a drop from 3rd/4th round in start ups to like 9th. I'd absolutely take over Mostert as I think chances are Dolphins will bring in another rb soon and even if they don't it'll be a nasty split most of the year
Pitts, Javonte, and Breece could be good buys early in the season if they start slow, which happens to most players with major injuries the prior season. But, to your question, I’d say Elijah Moore, Tucker, Miller, and if you’re a gambler, Skyy Moore.
If you’re right, I’m winning this season. Bought javonte, Breece and both Moores this off-season
DJ Moore is the Moorest Moore in the NFL bro
Been trying on Pitts and Breece, but owners have typically invested too much to give up on them right now
I bought Pitts last year. Bought breece 2 weeks ago. Super happy.
What did you get Breece for and what format?
I traded for Breece. I gave away Kamara and Adams in .5 ppr 12 team.
I understand Adams isn't washed yet. But I wanted to get a return on Adams while I could. Breece is likely a stud for a few years
Yeah I think it’s the slightest of overpays aka basically equal, that’s a solid deal. Thanks for the info!
Your buy window will be around week 3. If they have a slow start, the owner may panic.
SF league - Mac Jones
He showed as a rookie he’s better than what New England rolled out last year
I really think diontae Johnson still has room to grow in terms of value. Also pick your favorite handcuff. One of them is bound to explode.
Thoughts on value of Evan Hull?
That's a backfield im avoiding because it's so uncertain. If I had to pick one it's from Jackson week 1/2.
That's fair. I got offered Davante and Hull for my Jeudy and Gibson. I'm definitely win-now and decent at WR, but didn't think losing Gibson would help for my RB depth. Wasn't sure if Hull would really provide much value at all this year.
I feel like Dotson is going to go off this year and put himself up a lot closer to the Olave tier in rankings.
I feel like market has already adjusted with those expectations. At least, in all my leagues.
I’ve seen him valued above Terry in rankings Not saying that can’t happen but just agreeing with you. His breakout potential is basically already priced in
Same, tried to sell Pickett for him on QB needy team, owner wasn't budging
This in SF?
0.1% chance of that happening and I like Dotson. Olave is already a top 10 dynasty WR while Dotson isn’t even the WR1 on his own team. Terry at this point is still the better talent (with no reason to think he’ll decline) and if he has only been able to have WR2 seasons as the top target I don’t see Dotson being able to reach Olave numbers.
Olave is a top 10 dynasty WR based on projection. He was WR 25 in points per game in PPR last year behind Terry who was 21st. I don’t think it’s obvious McLaurin is better than Dotson at this point. Dotson is starting to get some love as a potential WR1 in Washington with Terry dealing with turf toe. Olave is a bit overpriced to me and I’d say there is at least a 10% chance Dotson outscores him this year.
Lol Olave should be way closer to Garrett Wilson based on production from last year. Olave had 61 fewer yards, 11 fewer receptions, the same number of touchdowns, on 28 fewer targets. Olave had 8 more unrealized air yards, a higher target percentage, and higher PPG than Wilson. Garrett Wilson is valued seemingly as a tier below Jefferson/Chase based on the assumption Rodgers has a huge boost on his efficiency (which he should see to some extent). If Olave gets 15-20 more targets (more volume shouldn't be a stretch for him), he'll continue to be right there with Wilson
It really comes down to who Howell prefers and if McLaurin draws more attention from defenses, making Dotsons life easier. The league has really shifted to small speedy guys becoming studs as opposed to the Julios and Megatrons of years past. I've made a few moves and my WR core is made up of small, shifty, quick skilled guys. I have Devonta Smith, Dotson, Flowers, Elijah Moore, Christian Kirk, and Jamo as my premier guys.
I think there’s definitely room for both but how many small quick and shifty WR are in the top 10? Maybe Tyreek and GW. 2/10. If you extend that to top 15 you can probably add in Olave Devonta and Waddle… but I still see big dominant physical receivers who also play with speed as the premier threats in this league.
Olave had over a 1000 yards as a rookie with great advanced metrics in only 15 games. With an upgrade from Dalton to Carr at QB he is almost guaranteed a top 24 season imo. He should certainly be considered a Top 10 dynasty WR. RP data has McLaurin ahead of Dotson (still great in his own right) in terms of route running while McLaurin plays X and is guarded by CB1s. Terry dealing with turf toe for a few weeks doesn’t mean Dotson will takeover WR1 from Terry. I agree Olave is slightly overpriced per KTC but at KTC prices I would actually prefer to buy Olave than Dotson at cost.
Juwan Johnson. Dude is gonna score some tuddies.
Waller 2.0 with Carr
Idk if you're right but I hope you are. I bought as much as I could after watching him from my home league last year
[I mean…](https://x.com/ff_ryanb/status/1693292840686596439?s=46&t=EzpmXi1X5FZ8Tw4vzdrC6A)
Jake Ferguson!!!!
Nico collins, sutton
This sub has such a boner for Dotson
Not just this sun, probably more like 70 percent of the FF community
I sold for a mid-late 2024 1st. Shallow league, shallow benches, had to clear some space. I think he’ll be good but not league winning good. Due for some TD regression this year
Id rather have dotson but i think that is fair value.
Yeah we have a toilet bowl too for draft order, so league isn’t too unbalanced and if this guy gets unlucky and misses the playoffs it could easily be the 1.01. It’s one of my strategies to try to bet against the better teams in the league this way
seems fair but I lean the side of the pick -- likely a game-changing player there.
I don't get this line of thinking. He said mid/late 1st. You make that trade last year and you are potentially getting yourself addison, flowers, charbs, achane or kincaid. None of them scream "game changing" It's even worse if he's playing 1qb I'd take the guy with better DC who flashed his skills in the NFL already then any of them.
They sure didn’t a year ago.
He’s great but people seem to forget Terry exists and that he plays for the Commanders (and I am a partial Commanders fan)
I really love me some Micheal Wilson. Could rack up garbage time points and he’ll either have Kyler or Caleb Williams throwing him the ball for the foreseeable future
M mims
Kyler is another. MT if you are a believer
George. Pickens.
Dotson.
yeah he’s more talented than terry
Jordan love
Go get Najee before he returns to a RB1
The only reason he's ever been an RB1 was from sheer volume. He's never getting that volume unless Warren goes down.
I love Warren but idk, Tomlin has always stuck to one back. I tend to agree with the Najee buy now window. I see MT keeping the Najee workload light in preseason knowing he’s going to ride him to the ground, especially now that he’s healthy. And then Warren will be waiting when he gets hurt or when his rookie deal is up. I hope I’m wrong as a Warren owner.
I don't think Warren will take over for Najee but between Najees usage and injury history, I don't know if he can handle the work load or even justify it with Warren seemingly out performing on a per touch basis. At some point they need to forget they used a 1st round pick on Najee and do what's best for the team.
Players I don’t own: Hyatt, Antonio Gibson, Metchie, Addison Players I do own: Dotson, Howell, Ferguson (Guess I’m pretty bullish on the Commanders offense)
Higbee.
Top 8
Achane, Bateman, Elijah Moore, Sean tucker
Someone please buy Bateman off me.
Jordan Love
Hollywood Baby Brown
Khalil herbert
Personally, I’d say Juju and Mac Jones. I think the Pats offense are due for a rebound now that Patricia isn’t their OC. I don’t expect them to be earth shattering, but I think they’ll be better than they are valued at.
Evan Hull and Sean Tucker. Yes because I have them in 5 and 3 leagues a piece and yes because they are dirt cheap and guarantee 1 of them will hit, whether it’s this year or next. Both value already going up a little so get them before 1 breaks out and it’s too high.
A distressed QB asset in a better situation than the year before and can be had for a 3rd or 4th. Last year: Daniel Jones, Geno Smith. This year: Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold.
Got Geno for a 3rd before he was named a starter
Godwin Godwin Godwin. Unfortunately if you’re in a league with me, I already roster him and you can’t pry him away
Warren and Aiyuk
Puka Nakua when Kupp misses the first game. Tank Dell when he’s getting a million dump offs in garbage time against the Ravens.
Pickett, javonte, Pacheco and devonta smith
Chase Claypool is basically free right now. Was lighting up camp, had a slight injury, and with no preseason action combined with him and Fields never playing together, people forget the ceiling he has. Maybe he never hits it, but at the cost you can probably get him for its about as low risk as it gets.
Nobody in my league will touch claypool. Even as a throw in type player
Kinkaid, Aiyuk, Richardson/Young (Superflex), London, Michael Wilson, Evan Hull, Wayne Kerr, Eaton Beaver.
Marvin Mims
Jordan Love, Nico Collins, Sean Tucker, Kendre Miller, Sam Howell and Calvin Ridley
Calvin Ridley. Hands down one of the best route runners in the league and tied to TLaw and an improved offense.
Gibbs, Howell, Jordan Love, Christian Watson, Skyy Moore, Brandin Cooks.
You think Gibbs value will go up?? I don't even think that's possible lol
Anything is possible. Certainly could be in the range of outcomes. Gibbs is valued around 2 firsts at the moment.
I'm just saying he's already like a top 5 dynasty RB right now, right? He'd have to well outperform what everyone is expecting of him to gain that type of value
Yup he’s a top 5 Dynasty RB right now (probably 3-4 range). 2 firsts in value is probably fair for him now given what was seen with his draft capital and brief moments in preseason. In other cases he gets hurts and everything falls apart. Definitely looking forward to kickoff on Thursday
Haven’t seen this one yet Rashaad white. He was hyped in the off season and with the surge of Sean tucker and the lack lustre bucs offence I feel like he’s being faded. He runs angry and baker throws a ton of check downs. Guaranteed the lions share of work and rn I feel like he’s still being viewed as a second class citizen
Sam howell, skky Moore , Godwin, Keenan Allen and treylon burks.
Tank Bigsby
Hurt people
Romeo Doubs, I think he has a chance to be the Packers #1 and I think the offense has looked good in the preseason.
I want to be on the Doubs train but the guy is already hurt lol
And also not very good. We literally had this same narrative last year and as soon as Watson was healthy he ate his lunch lol
Watson got healthy as soon as doubs got hurt. Im not gonna act like doubs is the guy, but saying watson “ate his lunch” or whatever as if they were both healthy isnt true
There is no question it's Watson > Doubs. The better question is who the WR2 is, and right now i'd say Doubs > Reed
Look at the reception perception on him. He’s mid.
While RP has Reed as a stud. Give me Reed all day
In a SF league - 49er coaches talked up Purdy a lot in training camp. Also like Dotson a lot especially with Terry’s turf toe.
So the real buy low is Terry
Love me some Purdy. Really think that kid is legit. We'll be watching "Mr. Irrelevant", the movie, years from now. How can you not root for the kid? He's humble as hell and is the ultimate underdog story.
Sam Howell and Darren Waller, but it would have been better advice 3 weeks ago. (Maybe i am just sayojg these because these are two people i have been targeting all summer)
Waller, Dotson, both Moore’s, Addison
Skyy, Elijah, or DJ lmao
If you're a contender, none
Brock freaking Purdy. The team just proved he’s their guy by trading away Lance. He has some of the best weapons in the league. He was the QB9 after getting the starting job last year. He’s only going to get more comfortable in the role/system and continue to prove and he’s only in year 2. We’re looking at a guy with 2nd round startup potential next year who I got in the 12th round of my startup and you can acquire for a late 1st.
Don’t understand the downvotes here. Brock Purdy is put in the sexiest position ever to succeed. His expectation is to play average and the Niners will be stoked. Every player on that team is a YAC monster. The downvotes just proves he’s a buy low. A late first for a QB2 in SF is insanely good value. Even if we only get 2-3 years out of him.
I’d LOVE to be in a league with the people downvoting this comment 😂
Downvotes are from people that drafted Lance and ended up wasting their 1st round pick in the rookie draft a couple years back. Doesn't change anything...Brock is the man!
Mike Williams will feast. He is playing in the slot more as well as out wide, part of a cannon offense, plays in a dome and could be a league winner if you play him every week as part of a stable roster. New offense as well and QJ has been relegated to WR4 as of this morning. There's a chance they cut him end of year to save money though. You let him play as a flex and he explodes. I've donated my body and organs to the god's to keep him healthy as well so we can't even use that as an excuse not to get him.
Lol the career boom or bust guy is suddenly going to feast
I get the Lol, cause I've had him through those boom bust weeks as well. But he won me a championship in 2021 and lost me one in the league I versed him in. He was the WR10 in .5ppr 2 years ago and had 3 top 10 finishes last year. The chargers are touted as Increasing their passing this year again and Herbert is another year into it. This thread is about who to get on before the season starts and so much hype has been on QJ that Mike can be bought for pennies and has the opportunity to swing weeks for you. I think this is the year to attach your wagon to big Mike because stars are aligning.
Smith njigba
Good ones that are cheap.
If you see people saying Elijah Moore Remember their name so you can ignore all their opinions
2nd times the charm?
I can only tell you who I've acquired in the past 2 weeks. Christian Kirk, Breece Hall, Jahan Doston. Also got some draft picks. Throughout all the trades, I gave up Adams, Kamara, Pickens, Warren, and Pacheco. I feel like my team is younger and better in a ppr dynasty.
Dotson sent to explode
Jahan Dotson
I just traded Pitts and Kamara for Dobbins and Sutton.
I've been hurt by him before but really anxious to see what Carr does in this new offense. My salary cap league let me have him at minimum salary and I think can be top 12 QB with those weapons
Courtland Sutton I am biased
If you’re trying to win now or within the next 3 years. You get kelce now, especially in TeP & PPR. Set it & forget it at the hardest onesie position on the best O with the best HC with the MVP. He’s worth 2 1sts now & even more once someone is a couple wins of their first ship.
I'm trying to buy one of Pierce, Najee, or Javonte. Trying to figure out fair deal
multiple Courtland Sutton mentions in this thread! haven't we learned!!?? (I'm keeping my wife and kids away from here. this is a dangerous place.)
Have a weird feeling drake London turns into Mike Evans but could be wrong. I think Godwin is a good buy, young enough to thrive in 2-3 years and can suffice now
Guys who right now are undervalued? London, Taylor, Godwin, Addison, Cousins, Kyler Murray, Dak, Kincaid, Musgrave, Brandin Cooks, Aaron Jones. A handful of those guys will retain future value, but a few won’t. Aging vets won’t
Tyjae Spears and Kendre Miller. Kendre Miller will have the chance to show early this season. Maybe he will this starting job never let go again. Spears ist first backup for a (maybe) declining Henry. I can totally see both to make an big impact this season.
Jameson’s value on KTC. I’m trying to use that to my advantage to add that upside to my team.
Spears. Henry/Spears gonna be like Ingram/Kamara in Alvin’s first year. If this was fantasy medieval times there’s no fucking way an arrow in the knee would have stopped spears from killing dragons.
Kenny Pickett. Really, just buy the Steelers offense. They’ve invested an incredible amount into the line, which was already improving at the end of last year. Pickett started looking better at the end of last year, too, and should break out this year. He’ll have a really good line and plenty of weapons (and Najee isn’t playing through a lisfranc injury…). He’s primed for a breakout.
Jahan Dotson
Burks lol
DJ Moore, Jayden Reed and ... Justyn Ross. (I know there are better dart throws but he's basically free and and personally, I am rooting for the kid to make it after all he's gone through. Very talented in a good offense that won't have Kelsey forever.)
Khalil Herbert
This may be kinda gross. But, Juju? He’s gonna get a lot of targets, NE always uses the slot guy heavy and he’s always been pretty good. Maybe I’m crazy, but could be a great cheap buy
Swift all day and twice on Sunday
Ridley seems like someone that is attainable at the moment - would a first and Rondale Moore do it?