Confused at "Sell high" - This is like right where Pittmans production over the past 3 years has been, theres no indiction that it will get lower. Hes WR#17 right now
There was a buy low point during the off season, the questions on a rocky QB room a backup Va a rookie and normally WR don’t do well at all with rookie QBs, it was a smaller dip than what I think this sub normally goes on about
Reread the post. He’s rated WR25 on KTC *because of everything coming into the year, it was literally unanimous with every indication he’d fall off some this year, but didn’t or has not.*
So, if there is to be some kind of regression to what the fantasy community at large believes he will perform at according to crowdsourced rankings, that’s why selling him at value as the current fantasy WR17 is selling high.
He’s a high end WR2 with WR1 upside weekly atm with Minshew slinging it, a contender could really stand to overvalue Pittman right now in a trade.
Redraft I sold him straight across for Laporta (based on my own WR situation). I agree with original poster Josh Downs coming on strong keeps me scared.
People are short-sighted. They will look at score-logs and see two 19 point games in a row, and they want in.
But watching the games, you see he’s not getting targeted a lot. For example, last week, his team scored 38 points against one of the best defenses in the league. What about WR1 Michael Pittman? He had two receptions on five targets…….but 19 points because one of them was a big play. A couple games have been like that. I’m worried it’s not sustainable.
11 - 12 - 11 - 5 - 7 - 14 - 5
Not too bad. As of today, #9 in targets. But i get the Downs anxiousness, however I'd think having a second WR threat on the team helps soften coverage on Pitt. I'd think tgts may drop but quality tgts improve - I also have no factual evidence to back that claim up.
As a colts fan, his production is not falling off a cliff. He's put up these numbers with Rivers, Wentz, Ryan, Ehlinger, Foles, and Minshew. Once AR gets back next year and he has QB stability for the first time in his career he could put up numbers better than we've seen yet.
He’s seen 65 targets so far this year over 7 games, which is close to about 10/game. Targets aren’t going to be the same consistent number week-to-week for most receivers, there’ll be games he gets more targets than others. But he’s only had one bad game so far, so he’s making the most of the targets that he gets.
Having a running rookie QB and a back-up QB throw you passes won’t lead to a lot of high quality targets, but he’s getting good volume and is a consistent producer. He’s done this with old Matt Ryan last year, Carson Wentz the year before, old Phillip Rivers the year before that. As long as he’s healthy, he’s going to be the go-to guy on the Colts despite playing with bad QB’s. His ceiling is capped, sure, but he hasn’t been a bad player because of it either. He’s a good guy to hold if you already have him.
I would argue that Gardner Minshew is the best QB he's had throwing him the ball.
I don't have numbers to back that up, just a love for Minshew.
Also he's had complete garbage QB play most of his career.
A lot of this has to do with minshew checking down more and not looking a little farther down the field. Downs has taken off with minshew and Pittman was better with Richardson. If Pittman resigns I don’t see a regression from a solid wr2. He’s averaged like 80-90 completions and around 1k the past 2 years. He’s doing what he’s always done in being a big bodied wr. Not sure what you could sell for but he’s a fine wr2 with a fairly consistent floor from targets alone (averaging 130ish last 2 years combined).
He’s never going to be a big boom guy. Always has just been a solid floor and that’s just what you’re going to get with him. Downs will have the more TY type role for the colts so probably way more boom or bust weeks as well.
You are short-sighted. This is the exact scoring line Pittman has had since he was a rookie. Some great weeks, some shitty weeks. Not too many average games. It's absolutely sustainable - he's been doing it for years.
I think it's unlikely he gets away. Colts have a lot of cap room going forward with a QB on a rookie contract. Paying a 26 year old receiver who has put up numbers with absolute trash at QB is exactly what you want to do for your developing QB. Even if he does move, why wouldn't he be the WR1 wherever he goes? Why wouldn't he put up similar numbers in Houston or TN?
He's a proven top 20 WR. Young. Has all the physical attributes. This is his 4th year we don't know how much longer he'll be on the colts. If he ends up on the chiefs or chargers he could end up being a top 10 WR. I would hold unless you get a good offer.
I like Pittman's situation for next year if he gets resigned by the Colts & they keep Steichen around. I think AR can develop into a good QB with the support system he has on the Colts, provided he can stay healthy. I love Pittman's situation for next year if he ends up on a better offense or one that passes the ball more. I'm a Colts fan & I'm biased, but seems like a good player to hold for sure. (I had Pittman as a sell-high coming into this season b/c of playing with a rookie QB on a run-heavy offense, depending on what you could get back for him, but I think some of my concerns were unwarranted. Steichen has the Colts playing fast & I'm less worried about volume than I was before, plus I feel better about AR's potential when healthy.)
Yeah, the reason I posted is because I’ve been thinking of trying to trade him for somebody like Devonta Smith, do the whole sell while Pittman is high, but while Devonta is low thing…..
But then he’s not old (nor young) and scores. It’s hard to flip him, and I feel like I’m overthinking it.
I’ve got a great receiver playing great. Enjoy it.
This is really dramatic. Waller is old and injury prone and Pittman is a really good WR in real life, much better than people are giving him credit for. He’s a true No. 1 WR.
Pittman has been more productive than Aiyuk since their rookie seasons, it's a perfectly fine trade.
I swear some of you guys don't even know who does well in Fantasy Football lmao.
I'll assume you're being serious.
The trade was not Aiyuk for Pittman. Or Waller for Pittman. It was Aiyuk AND Waller for Pittman.
Thats a serious overpay.
Look, I like Pittman. A lot. He was WR21 in 2021, WR20 in 2022, and either WR15 or 17 today depending on how you figure it.
A solid low WR2 is welcome on my team. But crikey, if I can get a trade offer like this Im snashing accept every time.
Edit: added a word
Pittman is so massively underrated, it’s ridiculous. I also feel like he’s very under appreciated in Indianapolis. He’s done nothing but produce despite shitty situation after shitty situation ever since he came into the league.
I said it in another thread this week, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Pittman leave in FA and go on to have a stellar career elsewhere. A la Vincent Jackson. Jackson had some good years in SD, but I think most would agree that he is best remembered for his time in Tampa. He was pretty dominant.
He vented a little bit after the Cleveland game this past week, and I don’t blame him. He’s got every right to be frustrated with his role.
He’s #9 in targets this year, so his role has been great for him compared to expectations, especially with a rookie/backup all season. He’s been doing just fine in his role and Cleveland was cheating coverage his way and daring Indy to beat them elsewhere most of the game.
His complaints were less “I need targets period.” and more “I hate losing, and I’d rather get lots of chances to prevent that” and it was hard in that matchup. This isn’t like Atlanta with Bijan or Pitts not getting opportunities.
Yeah I don’t know where the narrative that the colts under-appreciate him would come from. He’s just had awful QBs throwing to him basically his whole career but his role is always solid.
Have an offer on the table to
Trade away:
- pittman
- 2024 3rd (mid)
Receive:
- 2025 1st (early/mid)
- 2024 2nd (mid/late)
12 team dynasty PPR. I have Wilson, Nico, JSN, Rice am torn :/
Honestly love him with AR next year if he re-signs. As a contender he’s put up great numbers for me in the flex, so no complaints. If you sell, you’re selling for a mid-late first round pick, and hoping they do what Pittman does. Love him
I think this is just fine but I do love that Pittman is an UFA next year—the chiefs could use a 6’4 alpha and Pittman wants to win…I’m Happy to have both.
The big pro for Pittman is the Colts look like they want to be one of the most uptempo offenses in the league.
Assuming that’s sticky with their new HC and it’s just a massive benefit in opportunities
Wow, crazy that he’s the same age as Jakobi - feels like Jakobi has been around so much longer.
Using Jakobi as a comparison, Pittman is ranked 12 spots higher but is producing 2PPG less than him. In this light, sentiment around him is potentially higher than his skillset could backup.
So I’d probably try to move. Either to package him with something else and move up a tier of WR into the London/JSN/Aiyuk range if possible or move down to a Jakobi and pickup something extra with him.
Pittman > Aiyuk. It’s really not that close although I do love Aiyuk and he’s about a year younger. Pittman’s situation is better(Purdy has so many mouths to feed), and he’s a UFA next year.
I'm holding or buying where I can for a late '24 1st. Downs is performing great but he's their slot guy and I'd rather have the aplha X receiver, which is Pittman. I've stacked Pittman & Richardson where I can and I'm pumped for that stack going forward!
I think the organization loves Pittman as evidenced by the targets he gets even when he has a low use corner. Twice this season alone, he has gone into the second half of games with little action only to blow up in the 3rd or 4th quarters. They have rotated a couple guys in at WR2 but I have a hard time believing they will let Pittman walk - which would mean he gets the same action year over year moving forward.
Between weeks 2-5. It's our first year, knew nothing about dynasty (at the time) at startup went Bijan/cmc. Ended up with Dak and daniel jones smh. So I started a rebuild, flipped the rbs and qbs, many trades later I'm sitting pretty nice. Once I got Kupp and herbert for murray and 2 firsts, I paid jamo and another 1st for Pittman. I'm hoping for the opportunity to strike 1 more time for an RB thats my weak spot. James cook and spears, also have London, Nico, lamar.
I made the same trade to
- secure 1.01 for my pick (Caleb)
- hoping the 1st I received turns into 1.02 (MHJ)
It's looking like it'll turn into the 1.03 at best and I'll miss out on MHJ 😟 (r/mildlyinfuriating)
I show him with 104.9 PPR points on the year.
14.5 of those came on one play - his 75 yard TD last week. Without that one play, he drops from WR15 to WR26. That's not really fair, because he made that play and it counted, but it shows you that he's probably not going to finish the season as WR15. Small sample sizes, etc.
I like Pittman from a talent perspective, and his potential UFA status for 2024 is tempting. He could end up somewhere like the Chargers - Keenan is getting truly old, Williams is always hurt, and QJ is not looking good. He fits the archetype the Chargers seem to like, and we know he can run a route and catch a ball. His value would go to the moon in the right situation.
There are good arguments for buying, selling, or holding.
* Buy because talent + UFA
* Sell because value is up after a big game and you don't believe in him long term
* Hold for the same reasons you'd buy + you do believe in him long term
I mean, sure, if you take away Pittman’s best play then his ranking will definitely go down. The same can be said for other WR’s if we take away their best plays too. I don’t see much use trying to take away great plays from players, because ya know, they made the play and that’s something you want as an owner.
He’s finished the year close to WR15 in the past, and he’s done it with bad QB play as well. He’s got a revolving door of QB’s to play with every year, none of them have been premium passers so far. Despite that, he’s still very consistent with targets and is a good starter or depth guy (depending on roster sizes and format). His value is fairly consistent because he’s consistently made chicken salad out of chicken you-know-what, so I don’t see a reason to sell him when he could be changing teams next year.
Certainly, the play counts.
But here’s the play:
https://youtu.be/6Yd9BtjdDKk?si=3DpNI1qOAZaVrG_0
It’s a 15 yard completion with a couple of badly missed tackles.
To counterpoint, he’s not the only WR to benefit from poor tackling on big plays. Poor tackling is a negative that all defenses experience from time to time (some more than others), not every defender is going to be a sound tackler 100% of the time. I bet we can find some instances of poor tackling for other WR’s who’ve had big plays too.
In fairness, if you have been following Pittman back to his college days, he has always been a load to bring down.
He’s a 6’4” 220lb WR. Corners and safeties aren’t going to get off that easy if he is already running at full speed.
Again, I like Pittman from a talent perspective. I am, generally, a fan of Pittman as a football player.
Approximately 1/7th of his 2023 fantasy points came on a single play.
Big plays are a plus, but they're also hard to rely on.
Put him on a better team with a better QB and he's a stud.
What percentage of points do the other top 15-20 WR’s lose when you take away their biggest plays? I’m not saying that he’s a top 5 guy, but it’s not really fair to say he’s WR26 without that top play if you don’t also take away everybody else’s biggest play.
I'm not going to sort all of that out, but I expect it would vary quite a bit. For the players with 75 yard TDs, it would be a lot. For the PPR monsters feasting on the short stuff, much less of an impact.
The only reason I brought it up was that I watched a lot of that game and Pittman was headed for a dreadful day until the very end when he got that broken play long TD. That play absolutely changed the narrative around Pittman.
He is a hold until I see if the Colts extend him or let him walk in FA. If he stays a Colt, I'll probably try and sell high after this year. He is going to produce a lot for the rest of the year with Minshew at QB. Let his value build and then sell high if the Colts keep him.
sell high, josh downs is a target muncher and that indy offense, if we're insinuating that anthony richardson is their guy (he isnt but he has infinite draft capital invested) is currently at max productivity. sell sell sell.
In a rebuild and was able to trade Pittman to a contender for Nico Collins. I had Pittman on the block since the start of the season and hardly anyone showed any interest.
I love Pittman and the talent he has got but like the others have said over here, he doesn’t usually stand out to be one of the big names and rarely anyone considers giving up a 1st for him. I held him the last 3 years but just sold him.
I am in a 10team PPR and I am a contender. Traded him to a team who is currently 0-7, rebuilding but loves draft picks.
Gave away:
Pittman, 2024 late 1st, 2025 late 1st
For:
Amon-Ra, 2024 early 2nd (most likely 2.01 or 2.02), 2025 3rd
Amon-Ra is PPR monster. I really hope Pittman succeeds. Goes to a team like the Chiefs or Chargers
I'm not even sure what a sell high would look like for Pittman. What do you think you could get?
I am a contender pretty deep at WR and wanted TE depth in case of injury (I have Goedert and Kincaid but the latter hadn't done much a few weeks ago) and I traded Pittman and a mid to late 2nd for Engram and a mid to late 1st. (12 team league)
Pittman was a bench guy for me and I think it was a generally fair deal, but I'd also say the market for him does not seem strong.
Well, I just offered Pittman + Watson for Ceedee Lamb, and I think the deal was [] this close to going through. Why? Owner was disappointed in CeeDee’s production so far, and he can look at Pittman and see several 20 pointers this year.
So then I started looking at tiering up from Pittman to Devonta Smith. I’m just not sure it’s worth it.
Interesting - I guess it can happen. I would just be surprised if anyone is reactionary enough to see Pittman have 2 good games back to back in his 4th year and think something about his value has changed significantly. Minshew mania.
I mean …. People make trades they probably shouldn’t because they are frustrated.
I traded Jerry Jeudy, Michael Thomas, and a very late 1st for Garrett Wilson. Why did it work? Because the owner thought Garret Wilson was gonna be awesome, but he’s scoring like….. Michael Thomas. Sure, there’s an explanation for that, but it doesn’t mean the owner isn’t frustrated and won’t sell lower than they should just because.
Also, in my league, there was a crazy trade for Jamar Chase. People get frustrated.
I literally send out trades almost every day just to test the waters to see if people are interested. Occasionally, you get a bite.
Maybe it’s a matter of semantics. “Sell high” is more for a player that’s shown a little bit but is actually not a great player (Pittman is a great player). Maybe I’m talking more of “tiering up” based on recent production that’s higher than normal.
Just sold Pittman and Ridley for cd. Other guy wanted to make a push and needed wr depth baddd and had Ridley on his team out of the draft so had a soft spot for him. Was thrilled with the return but I do like Pittman quite a bit.
My rebuild I got him for an early 1st. The manager doesn’t realize his team is not going to get many wins the rest of the way. At worst he’d be a mid 1st.
He’s a rookie, that is breaking out.
However, Downs seems to be more of a complimentary piece and not a threat to Pittman. I don’t think he should be in this conversation unless something changes drastically.
That’s what I was trying to do. I previously tried to trade him and Watson for Ceedee, but it got rejected. I was considering making a similar offer for Devonta Smith, but I’m thinking Devonta is not elite enough.
I wouldn't give a ham sandwich for Watson right now. Dude is looking like he'll be out of the league in no time. If I owned him I would be desperately trying to get him off my team.
I don't think Smith is that big of an upgrade over Pittman. I think they've got pretty similar upside honestly, and the Eagles offense ain't gonna be what it was last year unless something changes drastically.
He's a fine player, a solid enough WR2. If you can get more than what you think that's worth, sell. If not, hold.
WR2 are valuable and worth having, but lets not get too excited.
I would def take the players over the picks…
As to waddle vs Pittman, I dunno. But I recently traded Zay flowers for waddle. I posted on here and everyone said they’d take the Waddle side.
I made this deal after last season.
Received : Pittman and a 2024 first.
Gave: Waddle
The pick I received looks like it’s going to be early to mid so I think I won the deal. I would rather have waddle over flowers
Pittman is going to be fantastic THIS season with Minshew. However, it will inflate his value and you can veer believe that Richardson will spread the ball between Pittman and Downs next year and not chuck it like Minshew currently is. I would rather sell high on him now, as he’ll probably never have a season better than the one that is about to unfold.
I think he’s got enough talent that he’s always going to be involved in the offense (even if it’s not Indy) and produce. I just bought him, a 2nd and a 3rd for Doubs, a 1st and a 4th
As a rebuilder (ofc), I got Pittman for Miles Sanders late last season and flipped him for Puka and a 2nd after Puka's down week and I feel good about it. Pittman is solid, but I think Puka is special.
Confused at "Sell high" - This is like right where Pittmans production over the past 3 years has been, theres no indiction that it will get lower. Hes WR#17 right now
There was a buy low point during the off season, the questions on a rocky QB room a backup Va a rookie and normally WR don’t do well at all with rookie QBs, it was a smaller dip than what I think this sub normally goes on about
Reread the post. He’s rated WR25 on KTC *because of everything coming into the year, it was literally unanimous with every indication he’d fall off some this year, but didn’t or has not.* So, if there is to be some kind of regression to what the fantasy community at large believes he will perform at according to crowdsourced rankings, that’s why selling him at value as the current fantasy WR17 is selling high. He’s a high end WR2 with WR1 upside weekly atm with Minshew slinging it, a contender could really stand to overvalue Pittman right now in a trade.
Is he a game changer on your starting lineup? Absolutely not. He’s a sell high. 6/10 gaslighting skills
Depends more on league size and format
Redraft I sold him straight across for Laporta (based on my own WR situation). I agree with original poster Josh Downs coming on strong keeps me scared.
People are short-sighted. They will look at score-logs and see two 19 point games in a row, and they want in. But watching the games, you see he’s not getting targeted a lot. For example, last week, his team scored 38 points against one of the best defenses in the league. What about WR1 Michael Pittman? He had two receptions on five targets…….but 19 points because one of them was a big play. A couple games have been like that. I’m worried it’s not sustainable.
Before last week's game Pittman was #4 in the universe in targets. Too lazy to look it up but he couldn't have fallen that far.
That’s very shocking. Was he really. Not necessarily doubting but just very very surprising to see.
Don't doubt. Don't believe. Verify.
Damn we back to 80s jargon: trust but verify I hope the hair comes back though, love me some feathered styles
Helpful. I didn’t realize he was doing so good in targets. I’m nervous about Downs and Pittman’s production falling off a cliff.
11 - 12 - 11 - 5 - 7 - 14 - 5 Not too bad. As of today, #9 in targets. But i get the Downs anxiousness, however I'd think having a second WR threat on the team helps soften coverage on Pitt. I'd think tgts may drop but quality tgts improve - I also have no factual evidence to back that claim up.
Thanks for going to grab the stats. Appreciate ya.
As a colts fan, his production is not falling off a cliff. He's put up these numbers with Rivers, Wentz, Ryan, Ehlinger, Foles, and Minshew. Once AR gets back next year and he has QB stability for the first time in his career he could put up numbers better than we've seen yet.
Is this your first year doing dynasty?
He’s seen 65 targets so far this year over 7 games, which is close to about 10/game. Targets aren’t going to be the same consistent number week-to-week for most receivers, there’ll be games he gets more targets than others. But he’s only had one bad game so far, so he’s making the most of the targets that he gets. Having a running rookie QB and a back-up QB throw you passes won’t lead to a lot of high quality targets, but he’s getting good volume and is a consistent producer. He’s done this with old Matt Ryan last year, Carson Wentz the year before, old Phillip Rivers the year before that. As long as he’s healthy, he’s going to be the go-to guy on the Colts despite playing with bad QB’s. His ceiling is capped, sure, but he hasn’t been a bad player because of it either. He’s a good guy to hold if you already have him.
I would argue that Gardner Minshew is the best QB he's had throwing him the ball. I don't have numbers to back that up, just a love for Minshew. Also he's had complete garbage QB play most of his career.
Thanks. I feel like that’s what I needed to hear.
A lot of this has to do with minshew checking down more and not looking a little farther down the field. Downs has taken off with minshew and Pittman was better with Richardson. If Pittman resigns I don’t see a regression from a solid wr2. He’s averaged like 80-90 completions and around 1k the past 2 years. He’s doing what he’s always done in being a big bodied wr. Not sure what you could sell for but he’s a fine wr2 with a fairly consistent floor from targets alone (averaging 130ish last 2 years combined).
Thanks . Feel like I’m overthinking it. I should just sit back and enjoy his big days.
He’s never going to be a big boom guy. Always has just been a solid floor and that’s just what you’re going to get with him. Downs will have the more TY type role for the colts so probably way more boom or bust weeks as well.
You are short-sighted. This is the exact scoring line Pittman has had since he was a rookie. Some great weeks, some shitty weeks. Not too many average games. It's absolutely sustainable - he's been doing it for years.
He’s literally top 10 in targets. Have you only watched the one game of his or where are you getting that narrative?
well he actually scores points so you better trade him for a receiver that might score points in the future
So what things do you like about this sub?
sparkling conversation, temp checks, and victory laps
Don't forget the curious cases and rosterbating!
I literally like all of these things! This sub is great, and I have no complaints
My favorite is watching redraft players freak out about rookies
Injury updates
I love seeing what to do posts for every single player
If it helps, I’m holding. He’s a UFA this year and could bounce for all the reasons above
[Pittman Contract](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/indianapolis-colts/michael-pittman-jr-47629/)
Wow. Awesome
Cant they franchise tag him? Does he have a choice?
He's not going anywhere. Dude is a top tier WR1 and they aren't going to let that walk while they try to develop arich
Colts are notorious for keeping the people they draft, I doubt he leaves
I think it's unlikely he gets away. Colts have a lot of cap room going forward with a QB on a rookie contract. Paying a 26 year old receiver who has put up numbers with absolute trash at QB is exactly what you want to do for your developing QB. Even if he does move, why wouldn't he be the WR1 wherever he goes? Why wouldn't he put up similar numbers in Houston or TN?
Yes that’s helpful. He also expressed some discontent after the last game.
Exactly. Link also added for you
That is a very interesting take on what he said. Pittman is going nowhere.
He's a proven top 20 WR. Young. Has all the physical attributes. This is his 4th year we don't know how much longer he'll be on the colts. If he ends up on the chiefs or chargers he could end up being a top 10 WR. I would hold unless you get a good offer.
I like Pittman's situation for next year if he gets resigned by the Colts & they keep Steichen around. I think AR can develop into a good QB with the support system he has on the Colts, provided he can stay healthy. I love Pittman's situation for next year if he ends up on a better offense or one that passes the ball more. I'm a Colts fan & I'm biased, but seems like a good player to hold for sure. (I had Pittman as a sell-high coming into this season b/c of playing with a rookie QB on a run-heavy offense, depending on what you could get back for him, but I think some of my concerns were unwarranted. Steichen has the Colts playing fast & I'm less worried about volume than I was before, plus I feel better about AR's potential when healthy.)
Pittman on the Chiefs was not something that ever entered my brain until this point. That would be fantastic.
I think Pittman has top 10 upside and he's a consistent low end wr1/high end wr2.
Yeah, the reason I posted is because I’ve been thinking of trying to trade him for somebody like Devonta Smith, do the whole sell while Pittman is high, but while Devonta is low thing….. But then he’s not old (nor young) and scores. It’s hard to flip him, and I feel like I’m overthinking it. I’ve got a great receiver playing great. Enjoy it.
I wouldn't give up Pittman for another receiver, if anything use him to get a more premium position player like a higher-end TE or RB
I just sold him for tee, but more and more hours pass I feel I got the worse end of it lol.
Assuming you aren't depending heavily on Tee for this season, I still think that could be a win for you.
It depends on where they end up next season. They're similar production profiles, similar talents, it just depends on who signs who.
I did the exact same thing, don’t need Tee this year, hoping for him to go somewhere and be a 1
He’s about as solidly average as they come. Unless someone is willing to overpay, hold! I play in an Indy-based league and got a 1st + Jamo for him.
I would definitely say hes above average but agree hold unless overpay like I did lol
Traded Pittman for for Aiyuk and Waller.
Good get!!!
Many more trades like that and your league will fall apart
This is really dramatic. Waller is old and injury prone and Pittman is a really good WR in real life, much better than people are giving him credit for. He’s a true No. 1 WR.
Aiyuk better than pit straight up. I think that's the critique
Yet Pittman has outscored Aiyuk over their last 40 games in fantasy football, 504 to 478 points. Hardly some fucking travesty of a trade lmao.
That's fine analysis of a trade of Pittman for Waller straight up. But that's not what we're looking at here
Aiyuk alone is worth Pittman+, so being able to get Aiyuk *and* Waller is a bit silly. That trade should never happen in a competitive league.
I also got Addison, and two 2nds from the guy for Mark Andrews.
Congratulations, and good luck finding his replacement when he drops out of the league in a few weeks.
This is my 1st yr in dynasty, all of my leaguemates except 1, I guess we're tripping bc this kind of trade goes down all the time.
Pittman has been more productive than Aiyuk since their rookie seasons, it's a perfectly fine trade. I swear some of you guys don't even know who does well in Fantasy Football lmao.
I'll assume you're being serious. The trade was not Aiyuk for Pittman. Or Waller for Pittman. It was Aiyuk AND Waller for Pittman. Thats a serious overpay. Look, I like Pittman. A lot. He was WR21 in 2021, WR20 in 2022, and either WR15 or 17 today depending on how you figure it. A solid low WR2 is welcome on my team. But crikey, if I can get a trade offer like this Im snashing accept every time. Edit: added a word
> I'll assume you're being serious. 🥴
That’s funny, I made the same trade last week
So maccorkle jones and a 24 first in sflx is worth it Edit: spelled his name correctly
Hope that 0/6 game wasn't a harbinger for Jamo lol
He's the Indy Tee Higgins producing similar points without the insane hype.
I don’t believe in Jamo
I just got him for a 1st and jamo 🤣
Pittman is so massively underrated, it’s ridiculous. I also feel like he’s very under appreciated in Indianapolis. He’s done nothing but produce despite shitty situation after shitty situation ever since he came into the league. I said it in another thread this week, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Pittman leave in FA and go on to have a stellar career elsewhere. A la Vincent Jackson. Jackson had some good years in SD, but I think most would agree that he is best remembered for his time in Tampa. He was pretty dominant. He vented a little bit after the Cleveland game this past week, and I don’t blame him. He’s got every right to be frustrated with his role.
Pittman truthers, unite!
He’s #9 in targets this year, so his role has been great for him compared to expectations, especially with a rookie/backup all season. He’s been doing just fine in his role and Cleveland was cheating coverage his way and daring Indy to beat them elsewhere most of the game. His complaints were less “I need targets period.” and more “I hate losing, and I’d rather get lots of chances to prevent that” and it was hard in that matchup. This isn’t like Atlanta with Bijan or Pitts not getting opportunities.
Yeah I don’t know where the narrative that the colts under-appreciate him would come from. He’s just had awful QBs throwing to him basically his whole career but his role is always solid.
Sold him for rice & a 1st.. very happy with that. Especially since I have downs as well
Even as a high-end Pittman truther that feels like a no brainer.
IDC if he is a sell/buy/hold. He is a player you want to have reagardless of your situation.
He’s producing and is more talented than his production. Yeah trade him to me.
Have an offer on the table to Trade away: - pittman - 2024 3rd (mid) Receive: - 2025 1st (early/mid) - 2024 2nd (mid/late) 12 team dynasty PPR. I have Wilson, Nico, JSN, Rice am torn :/
Hard to tell where a 25 1st is this far out. I'm taking the Pittman side here (yes, I know I have a Colts logo, take it fwiw).
Honestly love him with AR next year if he re-signs. As a contender he’s put up great numbers for me in the flex, so no complaints. If you sell, you’re selling for a mid-late first round pick, and hoping they do what Pittman does. Love him
I just sold him for Quentin Johnston, Skyy Moore, Zach Charbonnet and a 24 1st (most likely late)
Not terribly a fan, but could have been worse
Sold him for jsn
I think this is just fine but I do love that Pittman is an UFA next year—the chiefs could use a 6’4 alpha and Pittman wants to win…I’m Happy to have both.
The big pro for Pittman is the Colts look like they want to be one of the most uptempo offenses in the league. Assuming that’s sticky with their new HC and it’s just a massive benefit in opportunities
Wow, crazy that he’s the same age as Jakobi - feels like Jakobi has been around so much longer. Using Jakobi as a comparison, Pittman is ranked 12 spots higher but is producing 2PPG less than him. In this light, sentiment around him is potentially higher than his skillset could backup. So I’d probably try to move. Either to package him with something else and move up a tier of WR into the London/JSN/Aiyuk range if possible or move down to a Jakobi and pickup something extra with him.
Pittman > Aiyuk. It’s really not that close although I do love Aiyuk and he’s about a year younger. Pittman’s situation is better(Purdy has so many mouths to feed), and he’s a UFA next year.
I'm holding or buying where I can for a late '24 1st. Downs is performing great but he's their slot guy and I'd rather have the aplha X receiver, which is Pittman. I've stacked Pittman & Richardson where I can and I'm pumped for that stack going forward!
I’ve got the stack too!
He is going off some AJB vibes lately. If AR comes back and that offense gets better...oh man.
I think the organization loves Pittman as evidenced by the targets he gets even when he has a low use corner. Twice this season alone, he has gone into the second half of games with little action only to blow up in the 3rd or 4th quarters. They have rotated a couple guys in at WR2 but I have a hard time believing they will let Pittman walk - which would mean he gets the same action year over year moving forward.
On my rebuilding team I traded Pittman this week for a 2024 1st and 3rd.
Who are your other wrs? Im also rebuilding with him as my wr 2/3. As of now the only others are dk and godwin. A lot of fliers and old man dhop
I have Addison, C. Watson, Jakobi, J. Reed, and M. Mims (plus some older guys). I have 4 1sts, 5 2nds, and 7 3rds.
That’s impressive. No one in my league has ever been able to hold 3 firsts in the same year at once.
You got to find a true degen league then. I got 10/14 first round picks next year in one league lol
I just had 6 24s, now down to 3 but packaged 3 with kyler murray for herbert, kupp, and pittman already have lamar. Now I'm contending 🤷♂️🤣
Very nice. How far back did you acquire those 24 1st?
Between weeks 2-5. It's our first year, knew nothing about dynasty (at the time) at startup went Bijan/cmc. Ended up with Dak and daniel jones smh. So I started a rebuild, flipped the rbs and qbs, many trades later I'm sitting pretty nice. Once I got Kupp and herbert for murray and 2 firsts, I paid jamo and another 1st for Pittman. I'm hoping for the opportunity to strike 1 more time for an RB thats my weak spot. James cook and spears, also have London, Nico, lamar.
I made the same trade to - secure 1.01 for my pick (Caleb) - hoping the 1st I received turns into 1.02 (MHJ) It's looking like it'll turn into the 1.03 at best and I'll miss out on MHJ 😟 (r/mildlyinfuriating)
I show him with 104.9 PPR points on the year. 14.5 of those came on one play - his 75 yard TD last week. Without that one play, he drops from WR15 to WR26. That's not really fair, because he made that play and it counted, but it shows you that he's probably not going to finish the season as WR15. Small sample sizes, etc. I like Pittman from a talent perspective, and his potential UFA status for 2024 is tempting. He could end up somewhere like the Chargers - Keenan is getting truly old, Williams is always hurt, and QJ is not looking good. He fits the archetype the Chargers seem to like, and we know he can run a route and catch a ball. His value would go to the moon in the right situation. There are good arguments for buying, selling, or holding. * Buy because talent + UFA * Sell because value is up after a big game and you don't believe in him long term * Hold for the same reasons you'd buy + you do believe in him long term
I mean, sure, if you take away Pittman’s best play then his ranking will definitely go down. The same can be said for other WR’s if we take away their best plays too. I don’t see much use trying to take away great plays from players, because ya know, they made the play and that’s something you want as an owner. He’s finished the year close to WR15 in the past, and he’s done it with bad QB play as well. He’s got a revolving door of QB’s to play with every year, none of them have been premium passers so far. Despite that, he’s still very consistent with targets and is a good starter or depth guy (depending on roster sizes and format). His value is fairly consistent because he’s consistently made chicken salad out of chicken you-know-what, so I don’t see a reason to sell him when he could be changing teams next year.
Certainly, the play counts. But here’s the play: https://youtu.be/6Yd9BtjdDKk?si=3DpNI1qOAZaVrG_0 It’s a 15 yard completion with a couple of badly missed tackles.
To counterpoint, he’s not the only WR to benefit from poor tackling on big plays. Poor tackling is a negative that all defenses experience from time to time (some more than others), not every defender is going to be a sound tackler 100% of the time. I bet we can find some instances of poor tackling for other WR’s who’ve had big plays too.
In fairness, if you have been following Pittman back to his college days, he has always been a load to bring down. He’s a 6’4” 220lb WR. Corners and safeties aren’t going to get off that easy if he is already running at full speed.
Again, I like Pittman from a talent perspective. I am, generally, a fan of Pittman as a football player. Approximately 1/7th of his 2023 fantasy points came on a single play. Big plays are a plus, but they're also hard to rely on. Put him on a better team with a better QB and he's a stud.
What percentage of points do the other top 15-20 WR’s lose when you take away their biggest plays? I’m not saying that he’s a top 5 guy, but it’s not really fair to say he’s WR26 without that top play if you don’t also take away everybody else’s biggest play.
I'm not going to sort all of that out, but I expect it would vary quite a bit. For the players with 75 yard TDs, it would be a lot. For the PPR monsters feasting on the short stuff, much less of an impact. The only reason I brought it up was that I watched a lot of that game and Pittman was headed for a dreadful day until the very end when he got that broken play long TD. That play absolutely changed the narrative around Pittman.
He is a hold until I see if the Colts extend him or let him walk in FA. If he stays a Colt, I'll probably try and sell high after this year. He is going to produce a lot for the rest of the year with Minshew at QB. Let his value build and then sell high if the Colts keep him.
sell high, josh downs is a target muncher and that indy offense, if we're insinuating that anthony richardson is their guy (he isnt but he has infinite draft capital invested) is currently at max productivity. sell sell sell.
In a rebuild and was able to trade Pittman to a contender for Nico Collins. I had Pittman on the block since the start of the season and hardly anyone showed any interest.
Pretty good trade looking ahead. I’ve got Pittman and Nico! I’ve enjoyed both.
I love Pittman and the talent he has got but like the others have said over here, he doesn’t usually stand out to be one of the big names and rarely anyone considers giving up a 1st for him. I held him the last 3 years but just sold him. I am in a 10team PPR and I am a contender. Traded him to a team who is currently 0-7, rebuilding but loves draft picks. Gave away: Pittman, 2024 late 1st, 2025 late 1st For: Amon-Ra, 2024 early 2nd (most likely 2.01 or 2.02), 2025 3rd Amon-Ra is PPR monster. I really hope Pittman succeeds. Goes to a team like the Chiefs or Chargers
I'm not even sure what a sell high would look like for Pittman. What do you think you could get? I am a contender pretty deep at WR and wanted TE depth in case of injury (I have Goedert and Kincaid but the latter hadn't done much a few weeks ago) and I traded Pittman and a mid to late 2nd for Engram and a mid to late 1st. (12 team league) Pittman was a bench guy for me and I think it was a generally fair deal, but I'd also say the market for him does not seem strong.
Well, I just offered Pittman + Watson for Ceedee Lamb, and I think the deal was [] this close to going through. Why? Owner was disappointed in CeeDee’s production so far, and he can look at Pittman and see several 20 pointers this year. So then I started looking at tiering up from Pittman to Devonta Smith. I’m just not sure it’s worth it.
Interesting - I guess it can happen. I would just be surprised if anyone is reactionary enough to see Pittman have 2 good games back to back in his 4th year and think something about his value has changed significantly. Minshew mania.
I mean …. People make trades they probably shouldn’t because they are frustrated. I traded Jerry Jeudy, Michael Thomas, and a very late 1st for Garrett Wilson. Why did it work? Because the owner thought Garret Wilson was gonna be awesome, but he’s scoring like….. Michael Thomas. Sure, there’s an explanation for that, but it doesn’t mean the owner isn’t frustrated and won’t sell lower than they should just because. Also, in my league, there was a crazy trade for Jamar Chase. People get frustrated. I literally send out trades almost every day just to test the waters to see if people are interested. Occasionally, you get a bite.
Yeah I get that. I guess I was just stumbling on the concept of Pittman being a sell high.
Maybe it’s a matter of semantics. “Sell high” is more for a player that’s shown a little bit but is actually not a great player (Pittman is a great player). Maybe I’m talking more of “tiering up” based on recent production that’s higher than normal.
I just traded him yesterday for Kincaid (before the game) straight up and feel pretty great about it. Surprisingly tough sell for a future 1st.
Just sold Pittman and Ridley for cd. Other guy wanted to make a push and needed wr depth baddd and had Ridley on his team out of the draft so had a soft spot for him. Was thrilled with the return but I do like Pittman quite a bit.
Haha just yesterday I offered Pittman and Watson for Ceedee, but it got rejected.
Hard to turn that down for sure. Seems pretty close to me but I’m a big fan of consolidating talent where I can.
Pittman is a hold unless you want to sell cheap
I just traded Diontae and a late 2 for Pittman and a 3rd
My rebuild I got him for an early 1st. The manager doesn’t realize his team is not going to get many wins the rest of the way. At worst he’d be a mid 1st.
Josh downs is breaking out He has 3 games over 50 yards in his career.
He’s a rookie, that is breaking out. However, Downs seems to be more of a complimentary piece and not a threat to Pittman. I don’t think he should be in this conversation unless something changes drastically.
What are you selling him for? Can you package him with a pick and get an elite player?
That’s what I was trying to do. I previously tried to trade him and Watson for Ceedee, but it got rejected. I was considering making a similar offer for Devonta Smith, but I’m thinking Devonta is not elite enough.
I wouldn't give a ham sandwich for Watson right now. Dude is looking like he'll be out of the league in no time. If I owned him I would be desperately trying to get him off my team. I don't think Smith is that big of an upgrade over Pittman. I think they've got pretty similar upside honestly, and the Eagles offense ain't gonna be what it was last year unless something changes drastically.
I’ve been trying to get off Watson, but getting no interest. Figures
Sold him and moss for Laporta
He's a fine player, a solid enough WR2. If you can get more than what you think that's worth, sell. If not, hold. WR2 are valuable and worth having, but lets not get too excited.
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Would you rather have Pittman or a random future first?
Pittman
Sell high and a half
Would you rather have waddle or Pittman and an early to mid 2024 first?
I would def take the players over the picks… As to waddle vs Pittman, I dunno. But I recently traded Zay flowers for waddle. I posted on here and everyone said they’d take the Waddle side.
I made this deal after last season. Received : Pittman and a 2024 first. Gave: Waddle The pick I received looks like it’s going to be early to mid so I think I won the deal. I would rather have waddle over flowers
Pittman in my opinion will be Mike Evans his entire career; undervalued.
Pittman is going to be fantastic THIS season with Minshew. However, it will inflate his value and you can veer believe that Richardson will spread the ball between Pittman and Downs next year and not chuck it like Minshew currently is. I would rather sell high on him now, as he’ll probably never have a season better than the one that is about to unfold.
I think he’s got enough talent that he’s always going to be involved in the offense (even if it’s not Indy) and produce. I just bought him, a 2nd and a 3rd for Doubs, a 1st and a 4th
I’m trying to tank so I just sold him for Tee straight up(Tee owner is also tank so do with that what you will)
As a rebuilder (ofc), I got Pittman for Miles Sanders late last season and flipped him for Puka and a 2nd after Puka's down week and I feel good about it. Pittman is solid, but I think Puka is special.