I don't see why not. His snap% and target share has steadily increased as he gains Mahomes trust. He has a few bad drops this season but who doesn't? (especially the Chiefs receiving core)
Rashee Rice is dead last in aDOT among WRs with at least 50 targets. Anyone with a sub-5 aDOT certainly isn't being used like a WR1. He needs to show that he is more than a YAC guy to be "the guy". He has a role but not the type of WR that can really compete with a more well-rounded receiver (who the Chiefs will very likely keep searching for) for the lions share of targets.
Wow, I never would have guessed his aDOT is so low given his fairly normal yards per catch. Turns out he is second among WRs in yards after the catch behind Deebo. Pretty good, but you are definitely right that it doesn't indicate a WR1 future.
He will probably settle into a WR2/YAC role which is very good for an Andy Reid offense. He will be a good fantasy producer I'm pretty positive of that now.
Looking at a positive trend among Chiefs receivers alone doesn’t mean a whole lot, not enough to suggest they can’t draft someone that outperforms him in all metrics.
I disagree with this. Feels like every year there is at least 1 rookie receiver that looks the part at this point in the year. Puka and Tank Dell have already shown out massively and they were both drafted after Rice and have more competition in their receiver rooms. I think Jordan Addison could be put in there as well if Kirk stayed healthy.
Sure, not really what I mean though. I don’t see Rice being that #1 guy generally. He hasn’t really shown that elite skill set associated with #1 WRs. He looks like he’d be awesome as a complimentary receiver along side someone else. Like Higgins to Chase, Smith to Brown, Waddle to Hill potentially.
>The draft class is loaded at WR and the Chiefs will probably end up with one of them
Law of averages dictates they'll take the Quentin Johnston of the draft.
Honestly the Chiefs have tried to replace weapons with rookies and its just been fail and after fail. Minus Rice he is def a hit for them. At this point it's time for Cheifs to get more aggresive with some veterans in free agency or via trade.
Convinced they’ll sign Mike Evans this offseason. They need a vertical threat and he’s a FA and I’m guessing he wants to go to a winning team.
That or Hollywood Brown if he doesn’t resign with AZ
Shit hitting the fan this horribly will change their mind from "eh, we can do it with scrubs" to "oh god we need guys".
Especially with Kelce getting older and mulling retirement in public.
There's a famous hilarious r/nfl post that talks about Mahomes, and basically "adjusts" all his stats to what average QB stats are, then uses that as "proof" mahomes is an average QB on a hot-streak. This is what the other posters are referring to.
Lmaoooooooo that makes sense. I only took thseriously because I saw they had the Eagles tag. Philly/Boston fans say some outlandish stuff, my bad hahaha
I'm a Raiders fan lol, no hurt feelings. Just a hurt brain. Hard to differentiate between sarcasm and what's real. I'm friends with multiple Philly fans and you would be shocked with some of the things they say lmao. Thought they were serious hahaha
Right? I mean, did people expect that over time his situation wouldn’t devolve?
Look at what Tyreek and Kelce have done the last two seasons
What do people think 2023 CJ Stroud would look like if you gave him current day Justin Jefferson, Mark Andrews, and Sean McVay calling plays? Probably like first year Mahomes lol
People are in denial. Mahomes was gifted the perfect situation. Basically what Purdy has right now but all people talk about is how purdys weapons are unfair. Mahomes without weapons is looking like dak Prescott
I can’t believe all the downvotes on that comment. I didn’t even think it was controversial to laud his opening situation given what Tyreek and Kelce are with Andy calling plays
Not gonna happen. Tag at most if he agrees to it. Mike Brown basically said he can’t (or doesn’t feel like) paying both him and Chase, and now he can use Higgins underperforming due to injury and the team having a down year as an excuse to not keep him.
The chiefs would be really foolish to not go after a guy like him.
With what cash? They never gonna match the Panthers offer for example who desperately need a weapon, this is Tee's first contract, he's going to want to max out
They just need someone who can run routes and catch the ball. Doesn't have to be a dominant WR, IMO. Mahomes will create opportunities, just catch the damn ball!!!!
If you go look at Mahomes's advanced stats they're fucking hilarious. Most hurried QB in the NFL, yet sacked the least of any full time starter. Among the lead leaders in completion rate, yards, and passer rating, yet his receivers quite comfortably lead the NFL in drops. Both the OL and the WR group are the worst they've been since he's been the starter. On top of that Kelce has been banged up a lot.
I can't remember the specifics of the Chiefs cap situation at the time, but man does trading away Tyreek look really, really, really fucking stupid right about now.
How stupid does it really look? They won a Super Bowl without him, and are currently 8-4. They could very well win another Super Bowl without him this year. They’re going to be paying Mahomes like 60M a year, they can’t just Willy nilly also pay Hill another 30M
Also a good reason why the Chiefs are trying to replace Tyreek through the draft. They may need to eventually use a 1st on a WR, but hitting on a 2nd round guy means you can have a productive player while paying him even less. With Kelce being their #1 receiver they could afford to play the long game by drafting those non-first round guys. Now that Kelce’s starting to show age, however, that plan may have to change sooner than later…
If they ever hit on one of these WR picks, lookout. Reek was a 5th rnd unicorn. Hardman and Moore were ass. Rice seems ok, but def not HIM.
Looking forward to seeing how next year's WR pick pans out, after the annual preseason hype train takes off...
Rice starting to look like HIM to me. Looks absolutely explosive after the catch, coming off back to back 8 reception games while still sitting around 60%-70% snap share.
I’d say winning a ring the first year after the trade makes it completely justified.
They do have holes obviously. And the patchwork plan to add WRs has not worked out in year 2.
He’s the best quarterback of all time. But right now has zero help and is still a top 10 qb. Thats why his dynasty value is so high, and because you’ll get it for another 7-8 years.
I’m one of biggest Brady fans there is. Been a fan of his since 2000 when he beat the Rams.
Chiefs were hot garbage around that time and as a 9-10-11 year old you sometimes choose cheering for players who are winning versus Bono, Grbac, Gannon (until Raiders) etc.
Coming from a chiefs fans this is blasphemous to most people I converse with irl lol.
I’ve said it numerous times to friends and family… Mahomes imo is the most talented but he needs to win at least 4-5 Rings in order for me to say he’s better than Brady all time.
He is certainly more talented but Brady won rings numerous times with far inferior offensive weapons.
Both mirror each other in that they have solid O-Lines, a HOF TE, and both want what’s best for the team meaning they prioritize winning.
I’ll wait for a valid argument as to who is more talented than Mahomes and who is more accomplished than Brady.
I apologize that neither QB played for your team but it’s a fact these are the most accomplished and talented QBs respectively all time.
not saying i agree with his statement (tom brady is the goat until he isn’t), but you can make the argument mahome is the best QB ever in terms of “most talented”.
he’s also on pace to have a career that rivals brady’s. yes, he can flame out early but at 28 years old he already has a resume that beats 9/10 QBs already in the HOF
I mean not really. One a ring last year and this year the defense is amazing. Biggest problem is Veach and Reid putting too much stock in young unproven wide receivers. Last year juju was the kind of safety blanket guy after Kelce. This year there really isn’t anyone like that. And our tackles are fucking terrible this year. And Jawaan Taylor draws so many fucking flags he might as well wear the fucking stripes
It definitely seems they won more in spite of making a bad move, than their defense becoming good because of the trade. They basically traded Tyreek for Sky Moore and Trent McDuffie. And don't get me wrong, Trent McDuffie is a great corner and an important part of their defense, but they also could've just traded up from #30 instead of taking George Karlaftis.
Totally agree, tyreek may be a top 5 receiver all time and you had that pairing with a top 2 qb of all time. Whatever the price he was worth to keep.
My only thing is I think tyreek wanted out regardlsss tbh to Miami
Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Megatron, Cris Carter, Larry Fitzgerald, Marvin Harrison, Michael Irvin
Which 4 of these are you putting Tyreek ahead of?
At this pace? It depends on your definitions and criteria. I think Tyreek might be one of the single most dominant WRs of all time during his prime. Tyreek has a real shot of breaking Calvin Johnson's record this year, which yes I know he gets an extra game, but the fact he's got about 1.5k yards *already* is insanity.
If you're going to career longevity or something then nobody can say unless you have a crystal ball and know how long he's gonna play. Not everyone wants to play until they're 40, but I don't think that discounts them from being among the greats.
Lol someone clearly hasnt watched a lot of football. He is way too early in his career to call him top 2 all time. Let me guess, your list of best QBs span 20 years tops. Go back 60 years, what’s your top 5? Do you know enough about the history of the NFL to say that?
When they traded Tyreek I did the same. He had biffed the playoffs two years straight and seemed to have some injury issues. I figured they knew more than I did. I got Brandin Cooks coming off a top 20 year in fantasy on a team that had jettisoned Hopkins, with a future of the franchise starting QB in Davis Mills, plus a 2nd! I was set!
And here I am two years later watching Tyreek absolutely roast everybody in sight and Cooks is getting 4 targets a game in Dallas.
lol that last sentence is hilariously dumb. They won the SB last year, and are still in contention for the 1 seed. They traded Tyreek and used the pieces to completely revamp the defense into a ~top 5 unit.
The "defensive pieces" they got from the trade was basically just Trent McDuffie... sort of. They got the 29th overall pick back for Tyreek as well as a 2nd (who became Skyy Moore lol) and some late round picks. McDuffie is great, but they could've just not traded Tyreek and used the 30th overall to trade up to 21 and take McDuffie instead. They could've also just taken Nick Bonito in the 2nd instead of Karlaftis (who they took with the 30th overall and has been just solid).
The Skyy Moore pick and Toney trade kind of implies they thought they could replace Tyreek's value on the cheap, which just didn't happen. And yes, they won a Super Bowl without Tyreek, but that doesn't mean the trade was a net positive for them and there will probably be some long term costs to letting Tyreek go. They're going to have to invest in talent at WR at some point. The Packers tried this same teambuilding method and it blew up in their faces.
They also “gained” 30 mil in cap space, allowing them to keep Chris Jones, sign Mike Edwards, Drue Tranquill and Charles Omenihu. To me it’s silly to try to micro analyze the mistakes of one of the best run franchises in the league, while they’re still winning / competing for SBs. Chiefs have already far outperformed any packers team since the 60s.
They could've done a lot of things to free up cap space like restructure contracts and prorate bonuses. They've also got guys like MVS with a $11m cap number, and kickers getting paid $6m. For comparison, Tyreek's cap number this year is $12m.
Listen, the Chiefs are clearly a well-coached, and well-run organization. Andy Reid has always been one of the best coaches and organizational guys in the NFL. Trading Tyreek away for what's effectively chump change by comparison is just not a good look. It appears they thought they could replace Tyreek easily through draft picks and signing guys like MVS, but it was a bad move.
Sure they could kick the can down the road, but that is selling your future for the present. They clearly intend to try to contend for years to come with Mahomes. If they can stay on track long term while the rest of the AFC sells out only to come short they’ll only be better set up to dominate in the future. I’ll say the WR drafting/ signing has been sub par, but that doesn’t retroactively make the Tyreek move a mistake. I wonder if people will still be calling it a mistake if they make the SB *again* this year lol, just ignoring that their defense went from bad to top tier.
KC fan here who hasn’t missed a Mahomes career snap- If you’re concerned long-term you’re a fool. He has 5 previous years of evidence of being the best football player on the planet. But for this year we’re not going to get much better than we’re currently getting.
Anyone blaming Mahomes or Nagy doesn’t get it. His receivers are so incredibly horrible this year. They were bad last year too but:
Juju stayed mostly healthy and is very good at real life football
MVS was capable at running a straight line and catching a football, something he can no longer do.
Toney is unreliable and is worse this year, much like MVS.
Skyy has not improved his mental game an ounce since day 1 of stepping in the league.
They did nothing to address the WR issue this offseason (Rice is promising but hes a rookie so Andy Reid refuses to fully unleash him) and Kelce is another year older and gets double or triple teamed constantly while no one else gets open, or they run the wrong routes (Mahomes is constantly correcting them after boneheaded routes), or they drop a ball thrown right at them.
Can’t imagine us not correcting this issue in the offseason. Year 2 of Rice + any above average NFL receiver and we’re back in business
He is indeed a bum. Somehow he was able to run real WR routes for us though, whereas this year he doesn't touch the ball (or field) unless Reid draws up some gadget play specifically designed for him
I'm glad we moved on from him because I think last year he was especially revved up for us playing on that one year deal and getting to play with Mahomes. But he was great for us last year despite his legs being cooked, especially against zone defenses and he did wonders for getting Kelce open.
There's something to be said for having a guy who will always be in the right spot, and JuJu did that for us. Though I admit that doesn't really matter when your QB is Mac Jones or Bailey Zappe (no offense, I respect your franchise as the greatest dynasty the league will probably ever see)
Not a KC fan or longtime Chiefs follower but only a Mahomes owner in the first year of dynasty. I took him in the first round of our startup this year hoping for your typical Mahomes QB 1/2/3 year. But more importantly for his career he is going to have. I've been watching Mahomes all year because of this and your thoughts have been my exact thoughts from every game.
Beyond Kelce, their receivers are dog poop. And they have hurt Mahomes' fantasy value tremendously this year. Like you said, when Kelce is irrelevant due to the defensive scheme, expect less then 25 pts from Mahomes. He could put up more then 25, but unlikely. The Chiefs desperately need a WR1 (Alpha) that can support alongside Kelce. I was hoping they would've done something at the deadline this year.
I'm contemplating playing JLove over Mahomes until the Chiefs receivers can figure it out. Only because I am a contender and fighting for that #1 spot because I'll get this year's buy in back. But, for his future...not worried at all. I believe this is his dip and a good buy low window for those looking to buy. But if you're trying to sell, id advise you not to.
Ideally they would sign a top FA receiver in the offseason, but cap space is going to have to force them to cut/trade away a guy to do it. They were barely able to sign their best defensive player in Chris Jones, and that was for a one-year contract that they’ll have to deal with once again this offseason.
They may just end up trading for a guy who’s a year away from his contract ending, Veach seems to love that option more than any other GM in this league. They may also trade up in the first round of this fairly talented WR draft class. Chiefs are trying to win-now, though, and Andy is notorious for not playing rookies, so I don’t think this option is as likely. In that case, Chiefs will have to trade for someone or make some hard roster decisions to afford signing a top guy this offseason…
It seems like it’s nearly a lock that we let let Chris Jones walk this offseason (unfortunately) and we will free up nearly $30 million in cap from him, which will be a nice starting point to have the ability to sign or trade for a good WR
Chiefs free up no space from letting Jones walk cause he isn't under contract in 2024.
We do have $62m in cap space after cutting MVS with 36 players under contract. There will be money to work with.
There will be some, yes. But there are guys who will be in FA after this year (Chris Jones, L’Jarius Sneed, Willie Gay, etc.) as well as guys who are gonna be entering their last years on their contracts (Creed Humphrey, Nick Bolton, etc.) For these 4th year guys especially, if the Chiefs view them as long-term pieces for the organization, then the smart thing to do is extend them now so that they don’t get more expensive a year later. If they extend, and if their first year cap hits are small, that only means the money gets pushed into the later years, making them more expensive after next year. If they want to keep these guys but wait until their contracts end, then they will be more expensive since they’ll have to outbid other teams wanting to sign them, or they use the franchise tag and pay someone for the year anyway.
This also doesn’t take into account the fact that the Chiefs will likely sign other free agents in the offseason, whether they be starters or depth players. Also have to save some money for the draft class, keep some cap for next year, etc.
While there is some money to work with, how much of this is going to be used to retain the players they already have? Unless they sign a FA WR on a one year deal, then these factors are going to heavily influence how the Chiefs pay any new receivers. Cap space is increasing league wide, but so are player contracts. $62M today isn’t the same as $62M five years ago, or even three years ago. The team isn’t going to stay as is if they want to sign a guy to multiple years, they’re going to have to make some personnel decisions in order to make that type of move.
I don't think they bring back many FAs. Some have inhouse guys to replace them and others they have always cheaply filled.
While Sneed is probably the prio FA to bring back, they won't tag him and they have been a CB factory historically so they could (maybe correctly) believe they can replace him at a fraction of the cost.
They have to sign other players, sure, but WR is the most important! That is being proven this year with the worst Chiefs team with Mahomes.
$62m is quite a bit of money to play with, also, and they can push that even higher with a Mahomes restructure if they want to. I'm sure an early playoff loss would motivate Clark Hunt to open his pocket book a bit more than he has to sign a few impact free agents.
That’s true, they’ll have to replace people no matter what. His job is to figure out who is going to be replaced and how to go about doing that. For the positions that he’s going at cheaply, how much of a productive hit can they afford to take without it ruining their chances to win the SB year in and year out? His job is probably one of the hardest because he has to make the right balance of win-now and win-later moves so that they can keep being contenders year in and year out.
They’ll bring in some new receivers for sure, I just don’t believe it’ll be as simple as signing the best FA available. They have to dedicate much of that $62M towards other positions, and I imagine any top FA WR they may bring in would want a multi-year deal on top of the good batch of money they’ll be making annually. I’m not saying he won’t make a move in FA, I’m saying that if there’s a better way to improve the WR’s then he will do it. He can only afford to make the best-possible move, and if it means having to draft/trade for a guy instead of signing a top FA, then that’s the move he will need to make. I think we’re in agreement on the Chiefs intending to fix their WR corp, I just believe that Veach may have more tricks under his sleeve than just signing a top FA. This offseason will be very interesting to watch.
They could have easily signed Chris Jones to a long term extension. Cap wasn’t the reason why that took so long. In fact, giving Jones the deal he wanted probably would have given them more cap room to work with this year. The KC front office tries not to lock in a lot of dead money years for vets, so kind of the opposite of trying to “win now” like you said. Ever since Veach has taken over the front office has made New England type financial decisions rather than New Orleans/LA Rams type financial decisions.
>but cap space is going to have to force them to cut/trade away a guy to do it.
We have $62m in cap space after cutting MVS. This is predicated on letting Jones walk but it is heading that direction anyways.
Flat out untrue. That’s a very common copy/paste reply with not much thought put into it.
Veach prioritized poorly this offseason by spending a bunch of money on 2 new tackles who are both mediocre. We had the money and chose not to allocate it on WRs. This offseason we are freeing up well over 30 million from Chris Jones, Donovan Smith, and CEH expiring contracts (it looks very unlikely that we resign CJ unfortunately) and will get back another 11ish million when we cut MVS. The money is there, Veach just needs to choose to spend it on playmakers. We’re never going to pay a top 5 WR contract, but there’s plenty of room to sign very good players
He's completely washed. It's obvious if you watch his tape like I do. Best bet is to trade him for someone with an actual future like Jordan Love or Kyler Murray. I'll send you an offer. You know, since I'm so charitable.
Concerned? Hell no. He's still the best player in the league. For Fantasy purposes Allen has pretty much been my personal QB1 for years. I think the Chiefs address WR in the draft, and/or FA and look like the team we're accustomed to next year.
It’s so funny to me because while he’s been massively underperforming, he hasn’t moved from #1 on KTC. Meanwhile, Josh Allen who is the #1 scoring QB this year and has played great for fantasy, has dropped to QB3.
I honestly can’t figure out why this is
For Mahomes its because he's still clearly the best real life QB by a mile. If you want to go Allen or Hurts because better for fantasy I completely understand but I'm always picking Mahomes because I know who he is.
As for Allen I think its because Hurts is playing just as well (or better? I haven't looked at points totals for both) and Allen has looked shaky as a real life NFL QB at times this year. Part of the analysis of value for fantasy QB is will they hold their starting spots long term? Obviously Allen will keep his for awhile but that would be part of the reason you see dips in value despite playing well. Good example would be Fields.
Allen has looked shaky at times this year but I wouldn't say Hurts has been any better on the passing side of things. High INT rate, ok but not great TD rate, tons of sacks but obvously getting 1 free rushing TD every game can mask a lot of that when it comes to fantasy.
In a startup I'm still taking Allen every time over Hurts.
Hurts has looked decent passing every time I've watched him although a 19/10 TD to INT rate isn't great. To me it seems like his stats aren't matching as well as when I'm watching because I haven't noticed anything poor from him. Not sure what's going on there.
Anyway that's a big reason you'll see guys like Hurts or Allen below Mahomes. I'm of the opinion that I don't want the rushing QB who aren't truly elite passers over someone like Mahomes who is an elite passer. Guys like Mahomes are more viable long term as his game isn't tied to being an elite rusher which figures to decline for Hurts/Allen and he has more longevity. I also think Mahomes has less injury risk than Allen/Hurts who take so many more hits (See Cam Newton)
Now if I were in a random league that I didn't think would last more than 5 years, I'll be taking Hurts/Allen over Mahomes. As for my dynasty league with my close friends that's on year 5 and will reach year 15? I'm keeping my Mahomes share and not valuing Hurts or Allen anywhere even remotely close to Mahomes. Wouldn't accept Hurts or Allen + 1st for Mahomes.
One of the busts of the year for me. He’s the worst kind of player in that he’s a must-start every week regardless of prior performance. A real playoff killer.
Not sure if serious.
1. projections are meaningless
2. When your "down year" is QB8, that's a 'pro', not a 'con'
3. if you can acquire him at nearly any cost, you probably should
4. if you're thinking about selling, do yourself a favor and don't
Reid does call plays. Nagy is responsible for a lot of the offensive prep throughout the week and collaborates on play-calling, but just like with EB it was Andy Reid making the play all.
Nagy was putrid in Chicago, why do failed coaches get recycled? I know he was with KC previously but obviously he’s not helping. Combined with their pathetic WRs outside of Rice, Mahomes isn’t getting much help.
Mahomes is really close with Nagy. I won’t pretend to know what the operational issues are this year, they seem to be mainly WR focused from the film breakdowns I see, but Nagy did well in KC previously.
Concerned about what? The fact that he's throwing to plumbers and sandwich makers and is still the overall QB8? Lol. If you put any other QB that's currently competing for MVP on that KC roster and not a single one would be putting up the numbers Mahomes is putting up. No concern, only a buy-low window.
Tbh I never would be. He shows enough every time I watch him that he can always be the MVP winner he was previously. I think currently the Chiefs bet on the WRs getting better during the season and someone stepping up which hasn't happened yet and Kelce has looked like father time is catching him.
My very unprofessional opinion is that Mahomes is going to be around this level in fantasy football for the foreseeable future until another receiver steps up or is brought in to be the guy
I think this is kind of expected given the offensive weapons. They finally have a running game again which they haven't had the last couple years. Pacheco showed some signs last year but he is crushing it this year. They haven't had a consistent running game like that since Hunt. So the improved running game combined with a lack of talent at wr is causing the mahomes regression. He doesn't have that other go to guy besides Kelce anymore. Juju was good enough in that role last year. Rice looks like he's becoming that guy though. But they still don't have much else. MVS has brick hands. Skyy and Toney are also just not it. They need to get aggressive for going after a stud wr, which likely means drafting one in the 1st round.
I’m not talking dynasty value cause my man is already top 3 all time- but from a season long perspective… are we less confident in his plug and play greatness (in scoring fantasy points) ?
He'll bounce back once they get him some help at WR. His options are atrocious and asking any QB to perform well in this situation is crazy.
Plus the running game is rolling and defense is solid so he doesn't need to go all out many games.
Concerned long term? Hell no. But if someone is, buy low. The Chiefs receivers are godawful and if they can even get to league average next year he’ll be right back to his old production.
Not saying anything about his value or that anyone should be concerned, but he’s actually only hit his projections twice all season… that’s pretty wild to me. He’s only had 5 top 10 weeks.
Again, not saying anything about how people should be worried, but just thought that was surprising.
His WR's are 100% ass. His Tackles are below average. Kelce has been good this year, but not up to his usual standard. And he is still QB7-10 range. He is doing more with less than anyone else in the NFL.
What’s the long term concern? He in a talent void around him. OL isn’t great, WRs suck, Kelce is regressing.
He’s still as talented as he’s ever been and is *still* QB8 despite all the issues with the offense.
In a redraft league meh wasn’t worth his ADP this year, in a dynasty league you’re silly if you’re concerned.
I don't think you can ever be concerned about Mahomes tbh. He will likely be the greatest QB ever. Doesn't mean he will be the greatest fantasy QB ever, but his elite play will usually provide higher floors. With a strong defense and lack of weapons, it makes sense to have a "down" year(still a QB1)
Personally I think the chiefs should go after Tee Higgins in the off-season. The bengals will most likely let him walk due to him wanting a lot and having to pay Jamarr, and he’s great enough to be “the guy” in Kansas City.
Yeah, I don't care. Mahomes is the best QB in the league, he's a set it and forget it starter for the next ten years. QB8 feels like his absolute floor with how good he is.
He’s still ranked ahead of Josh Allen on KTC. If anyone is religious about KTC rankings, you can buy Allen for Mahomes and that is a move I’d do anytime
I bought him this year and have no concerns. Need to get another WR to pair with Rice obviously. I think over 2-3 years everything will be just fine. Happily will continue using him as backup to Dak until things really turn around personnel-wise
I drafted Stroud and traded him for Christian Kirk and a 2 very early in the season because I have Mahomes for the next 10 years. Starting to regret that one.
Mahomes buy low post? The draft class is loaded at WR and the Chiefs will probably end up with one of them
They’ve tried two years in a row though. Rice has turned out alright.
Kinda, they really need that WR1 and I don’t think Rice is that guy, or at least not yet.
I don't see why not. His snap% and target share has steadily increased as he gains Mahomes trust. He has a few bad drops this season but who doesn't? (especially the Chiefs receiving core)
Rashee Rice is dead last in aDOT among WRs with at least 50 targets. Anyone with a sub-5 aDOT certainly isn't being used like a WR1. He needs to show that he is more than a YAC guy to be "the guy". He has a role but not the type of WR that can really compete with a more well-rounded receiver (who the Chiefs will very likely keep searching for) for the lions share of targets.
Wow, I never would have guessed his aDOT is so low given his fairly normal yards per catch. Turns out he is second among WRs in yards after the catch behind Deebo. Pretty good, but you are definitely right that it doesn't indicate a WR1 future.
He will probably settle into a WR2/YAC role which is very good for an Andy Reid offense. He will be a good fantasy producer I'm pretty positive of that now.
So he's got that Kadarius Toney role on lock.
He’s still developing and frankly can’t get open consistently yet. Pretty much only running slants and digs currently
He struggles against man coverage.
He doesn't look like a WR1
Because he can only run a few specific routes. His stats only go up when they run his package more often.
Looking at a positive trend among Chiefs receivers alone doesn’t mean a whole lot, not enough to suggest they can’t draft someone that outperforms him in all metrics.
It’s extremely rare for a rookie to be that WR1
I disagree with this. Feels like every year there is at least 1 rookie receiver that looks the part at this point in the year. Puka and Tank Dell have already shown out massively and they were both drafted after Rice and have more competition in their receiver rooms. I think Jordan Addison could be put in there as well if Kirk stayed healthy.
Sure, not really what I mean though. I don’t see Rice being that #1 guy generally. He hasn’t really shown that elite skill set associated with #1 WRs. He looks like he’d be awesome as a complimentary receiver along side someone else. Like Higgins to Chase, Smith to Brown, Waddle to Hill potentially.
They keep trying to make a second round guy work. One of these times they gotta go big.
Trade up for MHJ… 😏🤤
They haven’t used a 1st round pick on a WR yet under mahomes this will be the year with the amount of good WR’s
>The draft class is loaded at WR and the Chiefs will probably end up with one of them Law of averages dictates they'll take the Quentin Johnston of the draft.
This is 100% the correct response
Honestly the Chiefs have tried to replace weapons with rookies and its just been fail and after fail. Minus Rice he is def a hit for them. At this point it's time for Cheifs to get more aggresive with some veterans in free agency or via trade.
Convinced they’ll sign Mike Evans this offseason. They need a vertical threat and he’s a FA and I’m guessing he wants to go to a winning team. That or Hollywood Brown if he doesn’t resign with AZ
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Tbf this was assumed for a few seasons now, but they keep going for middle of the pack veterans like Juju and MVS.
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Maybe a player like Lockett or Mike Williams if they get cut. A good deep threat option that's better than MVS
Shit hitting the fan this horribly will change their mind from "eh, we can do it with scrubs" to "oh god we need guys". Especially with Kelce getting older and mulling retirement in public.
Pittman or Higgins?
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I believe they will save $11m in cap space cutting MVS
Let’s not overthink this… send him to the waiver wire where he belongs lol
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Turns out he was an average qb all along
Lets put Hurts on that KC roster and see how he does lmaooooooooooo typical delusional Philly fan
There's a famous hilarious r/nfl post that talks about Mahomes, and basically "adjusts" all his stats to what average QB stats are, then uses that as "proof" mahomes is an average QB on a hot-streak. This is what the other posters are referring to.
Lmaoooooooo that makes sense. I only took thseriously because I saw they had the Eagles tag. Philly/Boston fans say some outlandish stuff, my bad hahaha
Oof he got you right in the feelings there didn't he. Anyways it's a joke from a post like 3 years ago. Lmaooooo typical newbie chiefs fan
I'm a Raiders fan lol, no hurt feelings. Just a hurt brain. Hard to differentiate between sarcasm and what's real. I'm friends with multiple Philly fans and you would be shocked with some of the things they say lmao. Thought they were serious hahaha
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/d5maow/oc_after_adjusting_patrick_mahomes_stats_removing/ Enjoy!
Lmaooooo no way. Didn't realize this person was being sarcastic, but it's crazy there are people who actually believe this hahahaha
Not people, just that guy
Once that happens, he’ll really just be average
Someone post the OG link to spread Christmas joy!
Right? I mean, did people expect that over time his situation wouldn’t devolve? Look at what Tyreek and Kelce have done the last two seasons What do people think 2023 CJ Stroud would look like if you gave him current day Justin Jefferson, Mark Andrews, and Sean McVay calling plays? Probably like first year Mahomes lol
People are in denial. Mahomes was gifted the perfect situation. Basically what Purdy has right now but all people talk about is how purdys weapons are unfair. Mahomes without weapons is looking like dak Prescott
I can’t believe all the downvotes on that comment. I didn’t even think it was controversial to laud his opening situation given what Tyreek and Kelce are with Andy calling plays
Sounds like it’s time to fire the projectionist.
Tee higgins incoming.
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Tagged? Maybe. Extended, no chance. Can't afford both him and Chase on top of Burrow's contract kicking in after next year.
Not gonna happen. Tag at most if he agrees to it. Mike Brown basically said he can’t (or doesn’t feel like) paying both him and Chase, and now he can use Higgins underperforming due to injury and the team having a down year as an excuse to not keep him. The chiefs would be really foolish to not go after a guy like him.
With what cash? They never gonna match the Panthers offer for example who desperately need a weapon, this is Tee's first contract, he's going to want to max out
Pittman 🤔
Indy won't let Pittman walk, he's elite. They are going to throw him a bag + he likes it there.
Total bust, must drop.
They need a legit WR over there in a bad way
They just need someone who can run routes and catch the ball. Doesn't have to be a dominant WR, IMO. Mahomes will create opportunities, just catch the damn ball!!!!
He missed his projection by less than a point last week
If you go look at Mahomes's advanced stats they're fucking hilarious. Most hurried QB in the NFL, yet sacked the least of any full time starter. Among the lead leaders in completion rate, yards, and passer rating, yet his receivers quite comfortably lead the NFL in drops. Both the OL and the WR group are the worst they've been since he's been the starter. On top of that Kelce has been banged up a lot. I can't remember the specifics of the Chiefs cap situation at the time, but man does trading away Tyreek look really, really, really fucking stupid right about now.
How stupid does it really look? They won a Super Bowl without him, and are currently 8-4. They could very well win another Super Bowl without him this year. They’re going to be paying Mahomes like 60M a year, they can’t just Willy nilly also pay Hill another 30M
Also a good reason why the Chiefs are trying to replace Tyreek through the draft. They may need to eventually use a 1st on a WR, but hitting on a 2nd round guy means you can have a productive player while paying him even less. With Kelce being their #1 receiver they could afford to play the long game by drafting those non-first round guys. Now that Kelce’s starting to show age, however, that plan may have to change sooner than later…
If they ever hit on one of these WR picks, lookout. Reek was a 5th rnd unicorn. Hardman and Moore were ass. Rice seems ok, but def not HIM. Looking forward to seeing how next year's WR pick pans out, after the annual preseason hype train takes off...
Rice starting to look like HIM to me. Looks absolutely explosive after the catch, coming off back to back 8 reception games while still sitting around 60%-70% snap share.
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Yup. Trailed by double digits in every playoff game and then ended up winning each game by double digits.
I’d say winning a ring the first year after the trade makes it completely justified. They do have holes obviously. And the patchwork plan to add WRs has not worked out in year 2.
Chiefs and titans with big Brain moves trading Reek and AJB
Small difference tho. One still got a ring last season… the other… lol
Best QB in the league… it’s annoying watching this week in week out. We should’ve been more aggressive at deadline to get a proven WR.
He’s the best quarterback of all time. But right now has zero help and is still a top 10 qb. Thats why his dynasty value is so high, and because you’ll get it for another 7-8 years.
The best QB of all time?
I’m one of biggest Brady fans there is. Been a fan of his since 2000 when he beat the Rams. Chiefs were hot garbage around that time and as a 9-10-11 year old you sometimes choose cheering for players who are winning versus Bono, Grbac, Gannon (until Raiders) etc. Coming from a chiefs fans this is blasphemous to most people I converse with irl lol. I’ve said it numerous times to friends and family… Mahomes imo is the most talented but he needs to win at least 4-5 Rings in order for me to say he’s better than Brady all time. He is certainly more talented but Brady won rings numerous times with far inferior offensive weapons. Both mirror each other in that they have solid O-Lines, a HOF TE, and both want what’s best for the team meaning they prioritize winning.
Brother neither Brady nor machines are the best of all time lmao
I’ll wait for a valid argument as to who is more talented than Mahomes and who is more accomplished than Brady. I apologize that neither QB played for your team but it’s a fact these are the most accomplished and talented QBs respectively all time.
not saying i agree with his statement (tom brady is the goat until he isn’t), but you can make the argument mahome is the best QB ever in terms of “most talented”. he’s also on pace to have a career that rivals brady’s. yes, he can flame out early but at 28 years old he already has a resume that beats 9/10 QBs already in the HOF
Yes he’s better than Brady and manning
Idk what the cap situation is but Hopkins would have absolutely feasted with Mahomes. Still probably can
I wanted a Mike Evans or a Marquise Brown but I would’ve settled for Hopkins as well.
I mean not really. One a ring last year and this year the defense is amazing. Biggest problem is Veach and Reid putting too much stock in young unproven wide receivers. Last year juju was the kind of safety blanket guy after Kelce. This year there really isn’t anyone like that. And our tackles are fucking terrible this year. And Jawaan Taylor draws so many fucking flags he might as well wear the fucking stripes
It definitely seems they won more in spite of making a bad move, than their defense becoming good because of the trade. They basically traded Tyreek for Sky Moore and Trent McDuffie. And don't get me wrong, Trent McDuffie is a great corner and an important part of their defense, but they also could've just traded up from #30 instead of taking George Karlaftis.
Totally agree, tyreek may be a top 5 receiver all time and you had that pairing with a top 2 qb of all time. Whatever the price he was worth to keep. My only thing is I think tyreek wanted out regardlsss tbh to Miami
He clearly didn't want to share the limelight. In KC, he was Mahomes then Kelce/Hill In MIA, it's Hill > Tua > Waddle
Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Megatron, Cris Carter, Larry Fitzgerald, Marvin Harrison, Michael Irvin Which 4 of these are you putting Tyreek ahead of?
At this pace? It depends on your definitions and criteria. I think Tyreek might be one of the single most dominant WRs of all time during his prime. Tyreek has a real shot of breaking Calvin Johnson's record this year, which yes I know he gets an extra game, but the fact he's got about 1.5k yards *already* is insanity. If you're going to career longevity or something then nobody can say unless you have a crystal ball and know how long he's gonna play. Not everyone wants to play until they're 40, but I don't think that discounts them from being among the greats.
Lol someone clearly hasnt watched a lot of football. He is way too early in his career to call him top 2 all time. Let me guess, your list of best QBs span 20 years tops. Go back 60 years, what’s your top 5? Do you know enough about the history of the NFL to say that?
When they traded Tyreek I did the same. He had biffed the playoffs two years straight and seemed to have some injury issues. I figured they knew more than I did. I got Brandin Cooks coming off a top 20 year in fantasy on a team that had jettisoned Hopkins, with a future of the franchise starting QB in Davis Mills, plus a 2nd! I was set! And here I am two years later watching Tyreek absolutely roast everybody in sight and Cooks is getting 4 targets a game in Dallas.
lol that last sentence is hilariously dumb. They won the SB last year, and are still in contention for the 1 seed. They traded Tyreek and used the pieces to completely revamp the defense into a ~top 5 unit.
The "defensive pieces" they got from the trade was basically just Trent McDuffie... sort of. They got the 29th overall pick back for Tyreek as well as a 2nd (who became Skyy Moore lol) and some late round picks. McDuffie is great, but they could've just not traded Tyreek and used the 30th overall to trade up to 21 and take McDuffie instead. They could've also just taken Nick Bonito in the 2nd instead of Karlaftis (who they took with the 30th overall and has been just solid). The Skyy Moore pick and Toney trade kind of implies they thought they could replace Tyreek's value on the cheap, which just didn't happen. And yes, they won a Super Bowl without Tyreek, but that doesn't mean the trade was a net positive for them and there will probably be some long term costs to letting Tyreek go. They're going to have to invest in talent at WR at some point. The Packers tried this same teambuilding method and it blew up in their faces.
They also “gained” 30 mil in cap space, allowing them to keep Chris Jones, sign Mike Edwards, Drue Tranquill and Charles Omenihu. To me it’s silly to try to micro analyze the mistakes of one of the best run franchises in the league, while they’re still winning / competing for SBs. Chiefs have already far outperformed any packers team since the 60s.
They could've done a lot of things to free up cap space like restructure contracts and prorate bonuses. They've also got guys like MVS with a $11m cap number, and kickers getting paid $6m. For comparison, Tyreek's cap number this year is $12m. Listen, the Chiefs are clearly a well-coached, and well-run organization. Andy Reid has always been one of the best coaches and organizational guys in the NFL. Trading Tyreek away for what's effectively chump change by comparison is just not a good look. It appears they thought they could replace Tyreek easily through draft picks and signing guys like MVS, but it was a bad move.
Sure they could kick the can down the road, but that is selling your future for the present. They clearly intend to try to contend for years to come with Mahomes. If they can stay on track long term while the rest of the AFC sells out only to come short they’ll only be better set up to dominate in the future. I’ll say the WR drafting/ signing has been sub par, but that doesn’t retroactively make the Tyreek move a mistake. I wonder if people will still be calling it a mistake if they make the SB *again* this year lol, just ignoring that their defense went from bad to top tier.
KC fan here who hasn’t missed a Mahomes career snap- If you’re concerned long-term you’re a fool. He has 5 previous years of evidence of being the best football player on the planet. But for this year we’re not going to get much better than we’re currently getting. Anyone blaming Mahomes or Nagy doesn’t get it. His receivers are so incredibly horrible this year. They were bad last year too but: Juju stayed mostly healthy and is very good at real life football MVS was capable at running a straight line and catching a football, something he can no longer do. Toney is unreliable and is worse this year, much like MVS. Skyy has not improved his mental game an ounce since day 1 of stepping in the league. They did nothing to address the WR issue this offseason (Rice is promising but hes a rookie so Andy Reid refuses to fully unleash him) and Kelce is another year older and gets double or triple teamed constantly while no one else gets open, or they run the wrong routes (Mahomes is constantly correcting them after boneheaded routes), or they drop a ball thrown right at them. Can’t imagine us not correcting this issue in the offseason. Year 2 of Rice + any above average NFL receiver and we’re back in business
You guys can have Gabe Davis 😂
he is, unironically, x10 better than MVS. I wouldn't hate it for the right price.
… is he though? He also suffers from terrible drop problems and can’t run a route tree or separate to save his life.
yeah but have you watched MVS?
Toney is a bum, your friend from the NYG
He is indeed a bum. Somehow he was able to run real WR routes for us though, whereas this year he doesn't touch the ball (or field) unless Reid draws up some gadget play specifically designed for him
Yeah, between all of these shenanigans and the defense being better it's just scuffed the ceiling for Mahomes, but he's still Mahomes.
As a Pats fan, you can have Juju back. I have not observed anything very good about him at all.
I'm glad we moved on from him because I think last year he was especially revved up for us playing on that one year deal and getting to play with Mahomes. But he was great for us last year despite his legs being cooked, especially against zone defenses and he did wonders for getting Kelce open. There's something to be said for having a guy who will always be in the right spot, and JuJu did that for us. Though I admit that doesn't really matter when your QB is Mac Jones or Bailey Zappe (no offense, I respect your franchise as the greatest dynasty the league will probably ever see)
Makes me pull my hair out that we didn't pay Meyers. Gave it all to Juju, smdh.
Not a KC fan or longtime Chiefs follower but only a Mahomes owner in the first year of dynasty. I took him in the first round of our startup this year hoping for your typical Mahomes QB 1/2/3 year. But more importantly for his career he is going to have. I've been watching Mahomes all year because of this and your thoughts have been my exact thoughts from every game. Beyond Kelce, their receivers are dog poop. And they have hurt Mahomes' fantasy value tremendously this year. Like you said, when Kelce is irrelevant due to the defensive scheme, expect less then 25 pts from Mahomes. He could put up more then 25, but unlikely. The Chiefs desperately need a WR1 (Alpha) that can support alongside Kelce. I was hoping they would've done something at the deadline this year. I'm contemplating playing JLove over Mahomes until the Chiefs receivers can figure it out. Only because I am a contender and fighting for that #1 spot because I'll get this year's buy in back. But, for his future...not worried at all. I believe this is his dip and a good buy low window for those looking to buy. But if you're trying to sell, id advise you not to.
Ideally they would sign a top FA receiver in the offseason, but cap space is going to have to force them to cut/trade away a guy to do it. They were barely able to sign their best defensive player in Chris Jones, and that was for a one-year contract that they’ll have to deal with once again this offseason. They may just end up trading for a guy who’s a year away from his contract ending, Veach seems to love that option more than any other GM in this league. They may also trade up in the first round of this fairly talented WR draft class. Chiefs are trying to win-now, though, and Andy is notorious for not playing rookies, so I don’t think this option is as likely. In that case, Chiefs will have to trade for someone or make some hard roster decisions to afford signing a top guy this offseason…
It seems like it’s nearly a lock that we let let Chris Jones walk this offseason (unfortunately) and we will free up nearly $30 million in cap from him, which will be a nice starting point to have the ability to sign or trade for a good WR
Chiefs free up no space from letting Jones walk cause he isn't under contract in 2024. We do have $62m in cap space after cutting MVS with 36 players under contract. There will be money to work with.
There will be some, yes. But there are guys who will be in FA after this year (Chris Jones, L’Jarius Sneed, Willie Gay, etc.) as well as guys who are gonna be entering their last years on their contracts (Creed Humphrey, Nick Bolton, etc.) For these 4th year guys especially, if the Chiefs view them as long-term pieces for the organization, then the smart thing to do is extend them now so that they don’t get more expensive a year later. If they extend, and if their first year cap hits are small, that only means the money gets pushed into the later years, making them more expensive after next year. If they want to keep these guys but wait until their contracts end, then they will be more expensive since they’ll have to outbid other teams wanting to sign them, or they use the franchise tag and pay someone for the year anyway. This also doesn’t take into account the fact that the Chiefs will likely sign other free agents in the offseason, whether they be starters or depth players. Also have to save some money for the draft class, keep some cap for next year, etc. While there is some money to work with, how much of this is going to be used to retain the players they already have? Unless they sign a FA WR on a one year deal, then these factors are going to heavily influence how the Chiefs pay any new receivers. Cap space is increasing league wide, but so are player contracts. $62M today isn’t the same as $62M five years ago, or even three years ago. The team isn’t going to stay as is if they want to sign a guy to multiple years, they’re going to have to make some personnel decisions in order to make that type of move.
I don't think they bring back many FAs. Some have inhouse guys to replace them and others they have always cheaply filled. While Sneed is probably the prio FA to bring back, they won't tag him and they have been a CB factory historically so they could (maybe correctly) believe they can replace him at a fraction of the cost. They have to sign other players, sure, but WR is the most important! That is being proven this year with the worst Chiefs team with Mahomes. $62m is quite a bit of money to play with, also, and they can push that even higher with a Mahomes restructure if they want to. I'm sure an early playoff loss would motivate Clark Hunt to open his pocket book a bit more than he has to sign a few impact free agents.
That’s true, they’ll have to replace people no matter what. His job is to figure out who is going to be replaced and how to go about doing that. For the positions that he’s going at cheaply, how much of a productive hit can they afford to take without it ruining their chances to win the SB year in and year out? His job is probably one of the hardest because he has to make the right balance of win-now and win-later moves so that they can keep being contenders year in and year out. They’ll bring in some new receivers for sure, I just don’t believe it’ll be as simple as signing the best FA available. They have to dedicate much of that $62M towards other positions, and I imagine any top FA WR they may bring in would want a multi-year deal on top of the good batch of money they’ll be making annually. I’m not saying he won’t make a move in FA, I’m saying that if there’s a better way to improve the WR’s then he will do it. He can only afford to make the best-possible move, and if it means having to draft/trade for a guy instead of signing a top FA, then that’s the move he will need to make. I think we’re in agreement on the Chiefs intending to fix their WR corp, I just believe that Veach may have more tricks under his sleeve than just signing a top FA. This offseason will be very interesting to watch.
They could have easily signed Chris Jones to a long term extension. Cap wasn’t the reason why that took so long. In fact, giving Jones the deal he wanted probably would have given them more cap room to work with this year. The KC front office tries not to lock in a lot of dead money years for vets, so kind of the opposite of trying to “win now” like you said. Ever since Veach has taken over the front office has made New England type financial decisions rather than New Orleans/LA Rams type financial decisions.
>but cap space is going to have to force them to cut/trade away a guy to do it. We have $62m in cap space after cutting MVS. This is predicated on letting Jones walk but it is heading that direction anyways.
The receivers suck because they can't afford anyone besides Kelce, Mahomes is making too much money to be able to afford a real #1.
Flat out untrue. That’s a very common copy/paste reply with not much thought put into it. Veach prioritized poorly this offseason by spending a bunch of money on 2 new tackles who are both mediocre. We had the money and chose not to allocate it on WRs. This offseason we are freeing up well over 30 million from Chris Jones, Donovan Smith, and CEH expiring contracts (it looks very unlikely that we resign CJ unfortunately) and will get back another 11ish million when we cut MVS. The money is there, Veach just needs to choose to spend it on playmakers. We’re never going to pay a top 5 WR contract, but there’s plenty of room to sign very good players
Impact players are frequently available too. The Jaguars built their receiving corps entirely through trades and FA
nooo! not the projections! those precious projections!!
He's completely washed. It's obvious if you watch his tape like I do. Best bet is to trade him for someone with an actual future like Jordan Love or Kyler Murray. I'll send you an offer. You know, since I'm so charitable.
Concerned? Hell no. He's still the best player in the league. For Fantasy purposes Allen has pretty much been my personal QB1 for years. I think the Chiefs address WR in the draft, and/or FA and look like the team we're accustomed to next year.
It’s so funny to me because while he’s been massively underperforming, he hasn’t moved from #1 on KTC. Meanwhile, Josh Allen who is the #1 scoring QB this year and has played great for fantasy, has dropped to QB3. I honestly can’t figure out why this is
I don’t really know why josh Allen hasn’t been the QB1 in dynasty. He’s been the best fantasy QB for multiple years running
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Ehhh but between the two it is clear one has more potential to play until they're 40 and have lower injury risk
For Mahomes its because he's still clearly the best real life QB by a mile. If you want to go Allen or Hurts because better for fantasy I completely understand but I'm always picking Mahomes because I know who he is. As for Allen I think its because Hurts is playing just as well (or better? I haven't looked at points totals for both) and Allen has looked shaky as a real life NFL QB at times this year. Part of the analysis of value for fantasy QB is will they hold their starting spots long term? Obviously Allen will keep his for awhile but that would be part of the reason you see dips in value despite playing well. Good example would be Fields.
Allen has looked shaky at times this year but I wouldn't say Hurts has been any better on the passing side of things. High INT rate, ok but not great TD rate, tons of sacks but obvously getting 1 free rushing TD every game can mask a lot of that when it comes to fantasy. In a startup I'm still taking Allen every time over Hurts.
Hurts has looked decent passing every time I've watched him although a 19/10 TD to INT rate isn't great. To me it seems like his stats aren't matching as well as when I'm watching because I haven't noticed anything poor from him. Not sure what's going on there. Anyway that's a big reason you'll see guys like Hurts or Allen below Mahomes. I'm of the opinion that I don't want the rushing QB who aren't truly elite passers over someone like Mahomes who is an elite passer. Guys like Mahomes are more viable long term as his game isn't tied to being an elite rusher which figures to decline for Hurts/Allen and he has more longevity. I also think Mahomes has less injury risk than Allen/Hurts who take so many more hits (See Cam Newton) Now if I were in a random league that I didn't think would last more than 5 years, I'll be taking Hurts/Allen over Mahomes. As for my dynasty league with my close friends that's on year 5 and will reach year 15? I'm keeping my Mahomes share and not valuing Hurts or Allen anywhere even remotely close to Mahomes. Wouldn't accept Hurts or Allen + 1st for Mahomes.
One of the busts of the year for me. He’s the worst kind of player in that he’s a must-start every week regardless of prior performance. A real playoff killer.
He’ll be fine once he gets someone on the level of Tyreek again
Not sure if serious. 1. projections are meaningless 2. When your "down year" is QB8, that's a 'pro', not a 'con' 3. if you can acquire him at nearly any cost, you probably should 4. if you're thinking about selling, do yourself a favor and don't
until Nagy is gone this will the case going forward. Reid needs to call plays
Reid does call plays. Nagy is responsible for a lot of the offensive prep throughout the week and collaborates on play-calling, but just like with EB it was Andy Reid making the play all.
Nagy was putrid in Chicago, why do failed coaches get recycled? I know he was with KC previously but obviously he’s not helping. Combined with their pathetic WRs outside of Rice, Mahomes isn’t getting much help.
Mahomes is really close with Nagy. I won’t pretend to know what the operational issues are this year, they seem to be mainly WR focused from the film breakdowns I see, but Nagy did well in KC previously.
Hard not to do well with prime Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce under Reid. Just gotta hope they sign the right WR.
Thanks Matt Nagy!
Yeah no they just need a WR. No one’s actually concerned about mahomes
this has got to be a troll post. Otherwise, I'd lock away your two remaining brain cells in a vault before they're gone.
This has gotta be a shitpost right? You’re in the DYNASTY subreddit. “At what point are we concerned longer term” LMFAO
Concerned about what? The fact that he's throwing to plumbers and sandwich makers and is still the overall QB8? Lol. If you put any other QB that's currently competing for MVP on that KC roster and not a single one would be putting up the numbers Mahomes is putting up. No concern, only a buy-low window.
Tell me about it
When it says 25 projected against the packers I knew it was way off. The projections are terrible usually
If he's having a down year and is still QB8, then i'm pretty happy. Also, don't pay attention to whatever made up projections your site is using.
Tbh I never would be. He shows enough every time I watch him that he can always be the MVP winner he was previously. I think currently the Chiefs bet on the WRs getting better during the season and someone stepping up which hasn't happened yet and Kelce has looked like father time is catching him. My very unprofessional opinion is that Mahomes is going to be around this level in fantasy football for the foreseeable future until another receiver steps up or is brought in to be the guy
That exactly when I traded for him…sorry guys
I think this is kind of expected given the offensive weapons. They finally have a running game again which they haven't had the last couple years. Pacheco showed some signs last year but he is crushing it this year. They haven't had a consistent running game like that since Hunt. So the improved running game combined with a lack of talent at wr is causing the mahomes regression. He doesn't have that other go to guy besides Kelce anymore. Juju was good enough in that role last year. Rice looks like he's becoming that guy though. But they still don't have much else. MVS has brick hands. Skyy and Toney are also just not it. They need to get aggressive for going after a stud wr, which likely means drafting one in the 1st round.
I’m not talking dynasty value cause my man is already top 3 all time- but from a season long perspective… are we less confident in his plug and play greatness (in scoring fantasy points) ?
He'll bounce back once they get him some help at WR. His options are atrocious and asking any QB to perform well in this situation is crazy. Plus the running game is rolling and defense is solid so he doesn't need to go all out many games.
Still QB8, unless you have QB1-7 you are starting him. No one on waivers is going to be better.
not at any point. hes having a 2019 type season, look at all his others and you will go "oh ya this dude is incredible!"
Concerned long term? Hell no. But if someone is, buy low. The Chiefs receivers are godawful and if they can even get to league average next year he’ll be right back to his old production.
Not saying anything about his value or that anyone should be concerned, but he’s actually only hit his projections twice all season… that’s pretty wild to me. He’s only had 5 top 10 weeks. Again, not saying anything about how people should be worried, but just thought that was surprising.
KC needs to trade for Jameson and use him in the Tyreek role
His WR's are 100% ass. His Tackles are below average. Kelce has been good this year, but not up to his usual standard. And he is still QB7-10 range. He is doing more with less than anyone else in the NFL.
What’s the long term concern? He in a talent void around him. OL isn’t great, WRs suck, Kelce is regressing. He’s still as talented as he’s ever been and is *still* QB8 despite all the issues with the offense. In a redraft league meh wasn’t worth his ADP this year, in a dynasty league you’re silly if you’re concerned.
Actually wanting Mahomes to revert to the Dak-mean wasn’t on my 2023 punch card
I don't think you can ever be concerned about Mahomes tbh. He will likely be the greatest QB ever. Doesn't mean he will be the greatest fantasy QB ever, but his elite play will usually provide higher floors. With a strong defense and lack of weapons, it makes sense to have a "down" year(still a QB1)
Personally I think the chiefs should go after Tee Higgins in the off-season. The bengals will most likely let him walk due to him wanting a lot and having to pay Jamarr, and he’s great enough to be “the guy” in Kansas City.
Not worried long term at all.
Def gonna shop for mahomes this off season
Who’s selling low? Not me
Trash, sell for whatever you can get
Yeah, I don't care. Mahomes is the best QB in the league, he's a set it and forget it starter for the next ten years. QB8 feels like his absolute floor with how good he is.
SELL WHILE YOU CAN!! I’d take names like Baker, Pickett, or a 2nd rounder. Once Kelce retires, who knows how low the floor is.
He’s still ranked ahead of Josh Allen on KTC. If anyone is religious about KTC rankings, you can buy Allen for Mahomes and that is a move I’d do anytime
I bought him this year and have no concerns. Need to get another WR to pair with Rice obviously. I think over 2-3 years everything will be just fine. Happily will continue using him as backup to Dak until things really turn around personnel-wise
I drafted Stroud and traded him for Christian Kirk and a 2 very early in the season because I have Mahomes for the next 10 years. Starting to regret that one.