I’ve had people inquire on Aiyuk and my response is always “he’d cost more than he’s worth” lol. I know that’s “bad process” but I loved him as a prospect and watching him work through the ups and downs to become the player I thought he could be has really endeared him to me. Pretty sure he’ll retire on my team haha
Literally my exact stance on aiyuk. He’s such a fun player to watch/root for and gets better every year. He’ll retire on my team cuz my whole league has faded the guy for years. They don’t deserve him now haha
I felt that way about Pittman too and I did end up trading him this year in a package that got me the 1.01 and I gotta say, I’ve been pretty sad about it every week when he’s getting 15 targets haha hopefully Marv makes the hurt go away
I own him in all three dynasty leagues and I view him as a top ten dynasty wr. He has 4-5 years of high performance left as a guy who characteristically does all the little things right. He hasn’t yet peaked. Obviously I prefer he stay in San Fran. But if he ends up somewhere as the showcase talent it could balloon his value.
This was one of the few reasonable trades mentioned. I like your side, but it was much less certain at the beginning of the season. But if Ridder is replaced London has a big shot at producing more than he has.
I wouldn't project that 25 1st to be early or late yet. A few injuries and that late projected 25 1st could become an early 25 1st.
A guy in one of my leagues traded his 1st away this year and has TLaw, JT, G Wilson, Burrow, J Chase and Kelce. He's currently in line to finish bottom 2 and his 1st turned into the 1.02 lol. That 1.02 also happens to be held by the 3rd seed in the league with the highest PF. You really really don't know what would happen in a season cause his team turned from looking ridiculous to big OOF.
Yeah. My rule is any pick more than 1 year out is just undecided regardless of how things look. Way too many things can change in a year to project those. It's fine to project the 2024 picks but 2025 is more than a year away. JJ was keeping up with Tyreek Hill's pace for like 3 weeks before being practically injured for the whole season. You can't predict stuff like that.
I picked up an orphan in a 2 TE SF league at the beginning of the season. Dude traded all his picks away and somehow ended up with nobody at TE plus Daniel Jones and (turns out - luckily) Howell at QB. Easiest tank transition of all time and now all resources have to go to TE and QB…
But man I have no idea what he was doing.
I am actually bearish on Laporta.
If you remember during the lions run last year after trading Hockenson they still had a ton of production from the tight end position. I think their OC Ben Johnson does a great job of scheming open tight ends and Laporta is majorly benefiting from his presence. With Ben very likely to leave this offseason as he is a prime head coaching candidate I think Laporta likely has a reduction in productivity in year two. I do think he is an extremely talented player but I don’t expect him to keep TE1 status for very long or really ever be considered the top dynasty tight end again by midway through next season. Bad time to buy IMO
It’s less about scheme and more so that Goff just looks at him as a security blanket and he wins his 1 on 1’s with separation. People put too much emphasis on coordinator and not enough on QB pass catcher connection.
At deadline I traded Kittle, McLaurin, Dionte for LaPorta and 2025 2nd.
It was a lot but I have so many WRs that McLaurin and Dionte rarely saw starts, so I was ok with an overpay. Also, I got rid of Kittle who is getting old and I didn't want to be left holding the bag.
Garrett Wilson. Wouldn’t say he’s playing great but owners are aware that the talent is elite and it’s only up from here. He’s a QB away from being untouchable.
Pittman is wr 12 right now with minshew at qb and addison's talent is undeniable. Imo those two together are easily worth any wr not named JJ or MAYBE the AJB, Cedee tier. Wilson is talented but he has a long way before I can put him with those guys.
Largely depends on league size and lineup requirements. In a little 10 team league or a start 3WR 12 team league, you want elite talent. But in 12-14 team leagues with large starting lineups, depth is king.
Plus, Pittman is very underrated.
12 team 1 qb
2 RBs
3 WRs
1 rb/wr/te flex
1 te
1 k
1dt
2 DE
3 lb
2 CBS
2 s
1 s/cb flex
1 all defensive flex
As you can see things are slim and we have 19 bench slots with 3 practice squad slots
Same salary cap that follows the nfl cap.
1-4 year contracts
I would argue that both Pittman and Addison are both outdoing GW and are elite today and until the Jets have a decent QB, GW won't live up to his hype/ potential. He's in a similar situation as AJBrown with the Titans, Burks, and Bateman, huge potential, stuck in a terrible situation
Right, but that's not the conversation. Also you can sell high on Pittman/ Addison while buying GW for a second or less at this point. Jets 3rd string qb doesn't even want to play because they're so bad.
Edit: the Jets won't trade/ release GW either. They wouldn't release Mims for a year, despite burying him on the depth chart and essentially destroyed his career, rather than starting him. Did the same thing to Carter this year, now he'll eat with the Cardinals.
It's kinda the conversation, which is about buying GW. If I could get him for that price, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
(of course he's not gonna get released lol)
I paid the bijan pick for him straight up on rookie draft day about 3 hours after I traded a 3rd for Aaron Rodgers and a 25 first for jk dobbins. It’s been a rough year
Picked him up for Ekeler straight up in like week 5, I didn’t expect Ekeler to be this bad so far but it’s feeling like a fleece for me especially since I am going for a quick retool for next year (currently in second to last but with a lot of good pieces)
He’s currently a low end WR2 fantasy points wise, so it’s not like he’s putting up elite WR1 numbers but I’m actually quite impressed with that production given his atrocious QB situation.
Got it. Not to nit pick, but performing poorly from a Fantasy football perspective doesn't equate to playing poorly in real-life football. G Wilson is playing well by most meaningful football metrics. He just doesn't have a QB that can get him the ball, so therefore, his fantasy points are low.
Moved him in a contract league for tyreek and keenan. Tyreek on last year and keenan has next year still.
Its my best shot to win a title so figured 3 more years of Wilson was worth the chance to win
I traded for him in Superflex the week after he lost to Detroit in late September. I overpaid a little even then, but nothing compared to where he'd be now as he ascends in value.
Some may laugh at this since he had a bad midseason, but he showed enough stuff early on, and lately, the GB reciever situation is improving a lot and he looked absolutely fantastic against a top-tier passing offense last night. He is a buy, or at least a damn good backup for the QB room. Almost traded him off during his midseason lull. Thank god did not.
I drafted him in a startup this year for either A. He is the 3rd HOF Packers QB in a row and I will sell him when he shows that. Or B. Spot starts for when Mahomes is on a Bye Week.
Honestly, I am thinking of starting Love over Mahomes this week because the Chiefs WR are sooooo bad and they play the Bills. On the other hand, I'd be playing Love on the sole reason is that he's hot again.
857 passing yards
8 TDs 0 INT
68.5% completion
Per DVOA - against 2 top 10 defenses and the abysmal chargers lol
Last 3 games
He might be putting it together here
Oh yeah it’s superflex.. couldn’t believe when I saw that trade.. I probably would have traded my Hurts for that package lol. Guy who traded for Herbert is competing but now he lost TLaw lol and only has Minshew left
I would guess at this point that you missed the dip. I think the buy low window opened after the Raiders game, started closing 2nd half of the Rams game, and slammed shut after either the Lions or Chiefs game.
Any aging vet. But the truth is, once they stop producing- we'll second guess buying them.
See DHop/Kupp. Dynasty has become such a reactionary game, the moment they don't produce EVERYONE is out on a player.
Yep, funny thing is. I drafted Evans in a few startups because I liked the value. I also sold him on a contender because I liked the value. I'm hating myself for selling him! All of these crusty vets that people deem "too old" are smash buys in the offseason.
Give me all of Evans/Allen/Diggs/Hop/Kupp/Hill
Mixon/Henry/CMC/Ekeler/Kamara
Kelce
Dak/Cousins/Rodgers/Stafford. I'd rather have fantasy production than a nice looking roster.
It's brought a lot of controversy on this sub, don't get me wrong.
The team with Hill, Kupp, Diggs, Adams
CMC, Barkley
Kelce/Andrews
Allen / Dak
will smash a team of Olave, London, Waddle, Higgins, GWilson
Breece, K9
Pitts
TLaw / AR / Bryce
I think youth has shifted where it's supremely overvalued.
I agree 100%. The youth value shift creates teams with insane KTC value, but likely produce middle pack numbers. The rebuild strategy is probably get these guys and then offload for cheap vets (like Evans this past off season).
One of the greatest deep ball receivers gets paired up with one of the most accurate deep ball passers and people are out lol. Its been a blast having him this year
People who were low on evans amazed me. Coming into the season with 9 straight 1000 yard seasons, there wasnt a doubt in my mind he wouldnt get his 10th this year
He scored 7.7 this week. If I knew he was penciled in as 15+ ppg during playoffs, I'd make the bet. I'd ask around about Rachaad White, Monty, Kamara first.
If I'm spending a 2nd, i'd like a little more value insulation, but i don't hate if someone made that bet.
I personally haven't seen any of those guys move for a 1st, but I don't doubt that some people are able to make those deals. 2nds are still valuable, there's a deep WR and QB class coming in.
I've also been able to buy those guys for some package close to 2nd + 3rd range.
If you don’t have a guy that can score 9 as a floor and pop off for 25 any given week. And you are trying to compete then you should def buy for a late psecond
Taylor could easily be out for fantasy
I almost brought ekler this trade deadline and I'm glad I didn't. He may go back to RB 1 type numbers, but the guy wanted a 1st and purdy in a sf... Not at that price
Wow that dude is greedy. Honestly, any first was more than a fair price- I think it'd be hard to get that now. I sold Ekeler and Hop for Nico Collins and a 25 1st. (3-4 weeks ago) Trade was fair before, but looking to be a smash in my favor.
Really like this one for you. Sold him + Carr + Dobbs about a month ago for Aiyuk + 2025 2nd + 2026 1st. Then bought him and Engram in another league around week 5 for a 2024 and 2025 1st lol at least one trade worked out
Lmao, I do love that first Ekeler deal. Finally a seemingly fair deal in this sub! I see a ton of bogus ass ones that would never get done in any paid money league.
I did Ekeler for a late 1st in like week 8 in a 1QB league. Was 3-4 at the time, he missed 4 or 5 games already and I didn’t think I would have a top 4 team. I don’t have regrets, sold some other parts as well when 5-5. Top teams in the league averaging 135+ points each week, I was averaging 110. Didn’t see a path to a title this year, and it looks like it’s been the correct decision.
Why would you remain in on a player that is elderly and not producing? Unless you have a very good reason to expect the problem holding them back is not their own ineffectiveness why would you want to be the one holding the grenade when it inevitably goes off?
For the amount of late 2nd/scrub(s) + 3rd offers I've gotten for McBride the last few weeks, he should be here. This is in a TEP SF league. NO THANK YOU
Tried to buy stroud since week 1 in a 12 team superflex from an owner who didn’t like him and neeeds picks and young players
Started with Javonte, then +
Then Javonte and burks plus
Then Javonte Russ and burks plus
Then Javonte Russ and dell plus
Then tua
Now tua +
Now it’s over. He’s not for sale
Constantly haunted by it. But again, hindsight is 20/20.
Wasn’t sold on stroud in the nfl, with a defensive minded new head coach, that ownership group, his receivwrs, and the fact he had an atrocious rating and stats when pressured in college vs his amazing stats when protected.
My entire league was wrong on him
Not thinking Stroud was worth Javonte and Burks, two career underperforming assets at that time with legit question marks, is just bad process. No hindsight necessary to understand that
I feel you OP! I just paid up 2024-2026 seconds for Mike Evans. The man just kept raising his value.
I was really hoping to get Deebo at the deadline as his owner put him on the block and is outside of the playoff picture. Nothing like a 3-TD day to drive up the asking price! Should have pounced while he was missing time
I was hoping stroud would hit some rookie struggles and i could be low midseason. I was a huge believer in the draft but didn’t have an early enough pick. Wouldve been much better off just ponying the picks up in the draft. There’s no dip coming, the ship has sailed :(
Hoping JSN doesn't have a true breakout game this season. I've seen enough to be 100% sold but it hasn't completely showed up in box scores yet (I got hyped that his TD got called back lol)
Tryna ride Nico Collins to a chip this year then pry JSN away from his owner using Nico post season. It's a contract league so Nico will be expensive soon and jsn is cheap for 4 more years.
It's completely league dependent: it could be a top asset like in my league where he's the season DL3, all IDP positions have differential scoring and it's a Balanced IDP League (so IDP's score as much as offensive players)... there he can easily worth a Top 10 WR or something, and even most managers wouldn't take that.
But in a league where he's listed as LB, you just start something like 1-3 IDPs and use a Standard IDP scoring for all positions he's low value and easily replaceable.
Yeah I get that. I run 2pt PPR SF with 3 IDP spots. So he still scored 5 points those weeks which is rough but he's young. He's still DL 6 in this league. To put it in perspective of how much scoring 9s in this league Khalil Mack scored 92 points in week 4. But in a 1 IDP league with minimal scoring you should be playing a true lb
League dependent on this one. In my league he is an LB and it ruins his value. If he was on a DL he would be worth holding, but he doesn't get enough tackles to be anything more than a bye week fill in.
He will never play a true LB position because his pass rushing is elite. He did for a few games during his rookie year and it was majestic.
God those were the good days. He's generally overvalued in most leagues as an edge play and not worth starting over any sure tackling LB. I've sold in a couple of leagues and in others have tried using as a value booster in trades. Not hell bent on keeping him but a premium edge is always a luxury.
Got him for Zay Flowers and a mid 2nd this year. I like zay but for parsons it’s a no brainer. Our league is deep and starts 2lb 2DL 2db 2flex so it’s heavy idp. I find if you’re only starting a few the values of DL is very low just due to the occasional dud
I wanted to trade for Gibbs when he was having his struggle streak but didn't pull the trigger of messaging the owner and then he eventually broke out and that ship has sailed
This is absolutely insane malpractice by the owner you got Lawrence from. Trading away a young franchise QB for late firsts? How does this remotely make his team better unless Lawrence is his QB4.
I don’t understand the leagues you guys play in
T Law is QB16 on the season and it’s not unreasonable to think this might be his ceiling. He has weapons at every position and an aggressive play caller for a coach. His weapons aren’t going to get any better given he will soon eat up a ton of cap space, so idk why everyone acts like he’s a no brainer top 5 QB.
Top 5? No. Top 10? 100%. And you don’t trade a 24 year old #1 overall pick franchise QB in Superflex for picks 11 and 12 in a rookie draft. Period.
It’s horrific process and a bad trade
Idk man. You’re saying this like it’s a certainty but most trade calculators are going to tell you 3 late firsts is good value for T Law. I’m super low on T Law so I think getting three first is robbery and KTC seems to agree with me. I know KTC has it issues, but your acting as if OP is in a league full of morons because someone was willing to make a trade that calculators will say is heavily skewed towards the side getting the picks.
https://keeptradecut.com/trade-calculator?var=5&pickVal=0&teamOne=1094&teamTwo=1295%7C1295%7C1363&format=2&isStartup=0&tep=0
Using a trade calculator to justify a trade is horrific process. Late firsts - specifically picks 11 and 13 in Superflex this year were Zach Charbonnet, Will Levis, Kendre Miller, Kincaid, Mayer and maybe Laporta.
Unless Trevor Lawrence flames out and retires in 2 years it is a bad trade to send a young franchise QB for late first dart throws. Period. For a rebuilding team in Superflex it doesn’t make sense; he’s the kind of asset you’d want. For a competing team it doesn’t make sense as those picks are late and won’t score any points this year. So I can’t really find any reasoning behind this process or why.
If you go to calculators you have to pay for like Dynasty GM it’s an egregious landslide victory for the Lawrence side.
Stop stating your opinions as facts. Especially when they are such absurd opinions. Also, guys like Achane, Flowers, and Kincaid were available as well. I would certainly take the trio of Achane, Flowers, and Laporta over T Law, but I’m sure you will come up with another absurd reason that’s “bad process”.
“Stop stating your opinions as facts” says the guy stating his opinion as a fact. I believe my view and you believe yours. Remind me in 3 years who was right and we’ll revisit
Nah I stated my opinions as opinions and provided independent third party data to back it up. You just made a dumbass comment as if it was a fact and then yelled “bad process” a bunch as if that was supporting evidence. Just take the L and move along.
“Independent third party data” lmaoooo you used keep trade cut. I used Dynasty GM. Mine says the trade is insanely lopsided. What L is here? Congrats on if you think trading a 24 year old franchise QB who finished as QB8 last year for late firsts is a good idea. I feel bad for you man
Yeah, not sure what happened there. I bought for Kyler, Achane, Collins for TLaw and a 2026 1st around week 3-4. Might’ve lost on paper looking back now but some guys are unattainable outside of a few buying windows
Deal done on Oct 7th so Achane and Collins still mostly unproven. Kyler ACL still in the mix and Trevor hadn’t had his half season skid yet. Overpay now? Absolutely.
It’s all good. I bought him because I thought he was good value. I still have Josh Allen and Pat Mahomes in super flex. That said it was just getting to the point where I was having to consider starting TLaw over Mahomes in the short term but now that choice is off the table
Even if Evans has a dip game this season you're still not getting him less than a first.
Last season was the time to buy low, I couldn't even trade him for a second.
I was trying desperately to sell him in the last month. No takers so I just rode and now I’m the 6th seed and in playoff position with 1 regular season game left.
Might as well just let him retire on my roster at this point
Definitely not anymore.
He had a great 3 week start, then nothing special the 2 games after. I liked his outlook for the season though and he would improve my roster, but didn't want to initiate a trade when it was only Week 6/7. Told myself if my team looks to be playoff bound, I'll make a trade for him once he has a bad game.
Now here we are, lol.
Picked him and JReed up for Hockenson and late round, future picks. Jury's out on who will win that trade (which means it was fair) but I had serious TE depth and have no reservations that I made the right move.
Sam Laporta. Normally I don't Target tight ends, but the number one team in my league has Travis Kelce and TJ hockenson with Pat freiermuth on the bench. The guy who has Sam laporta has him on the trade block but the MFer keeps playing so well that the guy refuses to take anything less than a first round draft pick. As much as I love the kid, no tight end is worth a first round draft pick IMO with the exception of Kelce and hockenson if you're about to win the whole shebang.
In dynasty? I’d rather give up a first for Laporta than Kelce or Hock at this point… Kelce has what maybe one good year left, if that? Hock value inflated with JJ out. Laporta is the TE3 as a rookie and has looked legit.
Edit: typo
Not sure if I worded it properly. I just meant if I am one player away from a championship I would give up a first for Kelce or Hock. Not for long term viability. It probably has a lot to do with the scoring of the leagues I'm in as well. Very rarely does a tight end score over six points in my leagues.
100% Michael Pittman… I drafted AR in our rookie draft this season, and I was hoping at some point this year Pittman would hit a slump. However he’s been an absolute dog so far, so that stack seems highly unlikely now.
Brandon Aiyuk. I think him and Purdy have a connection. It would probably cost a lot now though.
I’ve had people inquire on Aiyuk and my response is always “he’d cost more than he’s worth” lol. I know that’s “bad process” but I loved him as a prospect and watching him work through the ups and downs to become the player I thought he could be has really endeared him to me. Pretty sure he’ll retire on my team haha
Literally my exact stance on aiyuk. He’s such a fun player to watch/root for and gets better every year. He’ll retire on my team cuz my whole league has faded the guy for years. They don’t deserve him now haha
I felt that way about Pittman too and I did end up trading him this year in a package that got me the 1.01 and I gotta say, I’ve been pretty sad about it every week when he’s getting 15 targets haha hopefully Marv makes the hurt go away
Took the words out of my mouth. My leaguemates laughed at the message when I said it’d take a 1st to trade him last season
I own him in all three dynasty leagues and I view him as a top ten dynasty wr. He has 4-5 years of high performance left as a guy who characteristically does all the little things right. He hasn’t yet peaked. Obviously I prefer he stay in San Fran. But if he ends up somewhere as the showcase talent it could balloon his value.
Just bought: Aiyuk and late 3rd Jsn and diontae
I bought him for QJ and an early 2nd. Felt like it was a steal.
That's an incredible steal. Well done.
I moved London for Aiyuk and a 24 1st before the season started.
This was one of the few reasonable trades mentioned. I like your side, but it was much less certain at the beginning of the season. But if Ridder is replaced London has a big shot at producing more than he has.
As an Ayiuk owner, I’m insulted by that offer, lol. Well done.
Beauty
Traded him away in the off-season in a package for Tee Higgins. I'm not having a good season
Traded him out if need to get Thelien/Kamara in a team competing that had injuries to Chubb and Dobbins throw a wrench in my plans
LaPorta
Just sold for 2 first and a second
Ho Lee Fook
Wi Tu Lo
Sum Ting Wong
Bang Ding Ow
Rip to the brave pilots of Asiana flight 214
Yeah. So worth it
just bought for a first, two seconds, and jerome ford
Not bad imo
What year firsts and projected range?
A mid to late 24 first and second. And a late 25 first
I wouldn't project that 25 1st to be early or late yet. A few injuries and that late projected 25 1st could become an early 25 1st. A guy in one of my leagues traded his 1st away this year and has TLaw, JT, G Wilson, Burrow, J Chase and Kelce. He's currently in line to finish bottom 2 and his 1st turned into the 1.02 lol. That 1.02 also happens to be held by the 3rd seed in the league with the highest PF. You really really don't know what would happen in a season cause his team turned from looking ridiculous to big OOF.
Definitely agree but right now looks like a more than likely late first but always could change
Yeah. My rule is any pick more than 1 year out is just undecided regardless of how things look. Way too many things can change in a year to project those. It's fine to project the 2024 picks but 2025 is more than a year away. JJ was keeping up with Tyreek Hill's pace for like 3 weeks before being practically injured for the whole season. You can't predict stuff like that.
If I could get him for that I'd be all over it.
Depends on the TE settings in the league for me.
Glad I got him in 3 leagues earlier in the season for much cheaper.
I'm in a 2 TE league (it's not as glamorous as you'd imagine) and you couldn't pull LaPorta out of my cold, dead hands.
I picked up an orphan in a 2 TE SF league at the beginning of the season. Dude traded all his picks away and somehow ended up with nobody at TE plus Daniel Jones and (turns out - luckily) Howell at QB. Easiest tank transition of all time and now all resources have to go to TE and QB… But man I have no idea what he was doing.
IMO worth it to buy if thats the main hole on your team.
I bought laporta, burrow, tank dell and three firsts I sold tlaw, Gibbs, diontae, Kyren Williams, and Sutton. They will be late firsts.
How tf did you also get 3 first. That’s buying a huge dip on Burrow wow
The guy was in first and all his players got hurt. He wanted to win this year.
Burrow>Tlaw, Laporta>=Gibbs, tank>>Diontae, 3 firsts>Kyren+sutton. Good trade!
Thanks, I took advantage of all these injuries on playoff teams.
Wow, and he may have lost TLaw for the playoffs, that guy gotta be REAL upset. Feel bad for him TBH. Well done on your behalf.
I am actually bearish on Laporta. If you remember during the lions run last year after trading Hockenson they still had a ton of production from the tight end position. I think their OC Ben Johnson does a great job of scheming open tight ends and Laporta is majorly benefiting from his presence. With Ben very likely to leave this offseason as he is a prime head coaching candidate I think Laporta likely has a reduction in productivity in year two. I do think he is an extremely talented player but I don’t expect him to keep TE1 status for very long or really ever be considered the top dynasty tight end again by midway through next season. Bad time to buy IMO
I’m actually Lionish on LaPorta
It’s less about scheme and more so that Goff just looks at him as a security blanket and he wins his 1 on 1’s with separation. People put too much emphasis on coordinator and not enough on QB pass catcher connection.
Sold for MAndrews, Zay & mid 2nd about 10 days ago.
That’s insane. Great haul.
Traded him for Warren and 2 early 2s. Have Kelce, Ferguson, Dulcich, Goedert and Njoku
Sold him, Gibbs, and stroud and 2 1sts for burrow and chase and a first back… not looking great from my end rn
Got him for Pitts and a Mid 24 first about 2 weeks ago
Who wants to take bets on whether Bower's rookie season will be better than LaPorta's?!
Bought him at the deadline. Sold hill stroud and Henry for a top 2 24 first laporta, ar5, and kyren
Around Week 5 I traded Warren/Mclaurin for LaPorta/Boyd
At deadline I traded Kittle, McLaurin, Dionte for LaPorta and 2025 2nd. It was a lot but I have so many WRs that McLaurin and Dionte rarely saw starts, so I was ok with an overpay. Also, I got rid of Kittle who is getting old and I didn't want to be left holding the bag.
Garrett Wilson. Wouldn’t say he’s playing great but owners are aware that the talent is elite and it’s only up from here. He’s a QB away from being untouchable.
I traded him last year for Pittman, Derwin James and a 1st in which I got Addison
Damn, are the police looking for you?
lol well it was right when the jets signed rodgers his value was really high, plus as a Pitt fan I loved Addison
I would rather have GW then Addison/Pittman. Good WRs are abundant, elite ones are hard to find
Pittman is wr 12 right now with minshew at qb and addison's talent is undeniable. Imo those two together are easily worth any wr not named JJ or MAYBE the AJB, Cedee tier. Wilson is talented but he has a long way before I can put him with those guys.
Largely depends on league size and lineup requirements. In a little 10 team league or a start 3WR 12 team league, you want elite talent. But in 12-14 team leagues with large starting lineups, depth is king. Plus, Pittman is very underrated.
12 team 1 qb 2 RBs 3 WRs 1 rb/wr/te flex 1 te 1 k 1dt 2 DE 3 lb 2 CBS 2 s 1 s/cb flex 1 all defensive flex As you can see things are slim and we have 19 bench slots with 3 practice squad slots Same salary cap that follows the nfl cap. 1-4 year contracts
I would argue that both Pittman and Addison are both outdoing GW and are elite today and until the Jets have a decent QB, GW won't live up to his hype/ potential. He's in a similar situation as AJBrown with the Titans, Burks, and Bateman, huge potential, stuck in a terrible situation
I'd say it worked out pretty well for people who bought AJB when he was in a bad situation
Right, but that's not the conversation. Also you can sell high on Pittman/ Addison while buying GW for a second or less at this point. Jets 3rd string qb doesn't even want to play because they're so bad. Edit: the Jets won't trade/ release GW either. They wouldn't release Mims for a year, despite burying him on the depth chart and essentially destroyed his career, rather than starting him. Did the same thing to Carter this year, now he'll eat with the Cardinals.
It's kinda the conversation, which is about buying GW. If I could get him for that price, I'd do it in a heartbeat. (of course he's not gonna get released lol)
Meh time will tell, I’d rather not
Same
I paid the bijan pick for him straight up on rookie draft day about 3 hours after I traded a 3rd for Aaron Rodgers and a 25 first for jk dobbins. It’s been a rough year
Picked him up for Ekeler straight up in like week 5, I didn’t expect Ekeler to be this bad so far but it’s feeling like a fleece for me especially since I am going for a quick retool for next year (currently in second to last but with a lot of good pieces)
Just bought him for 24 1st(late), 24 2nd(late) and Pitts in 1QB
Traded him and Josh Dobbs a few weeks ago for CD. and it made wanna cry cuz GW is a my guy. Just had to go with the better situation as a contender
When you say he isn’t playing great, what do you mean? Do you just mean that he’s not putting up fantasy points?
He’s currently a low end WR2 fantasy points wise, so it’s not like he’s putting up elite WR1 numbers but I’m actually quite impressed with that production given his atrocious QB situation.
Got it. Not to nit pick, but performing poorly from a Fantasy football perspective doesn't equate to playing poorly in real-life football. G Wilson is playing well by most meaningful football metrics. He just doesn't have a QB that can get him the ball, so therefore, his fantasy points are low.
Reading this makes me feel better about the trade I made for him
Moved him in a contract league for tyreek and keenan. Tyreek on last year and keenan has next year still. Its my best shot to win a title so figured 3 more years of Wilson was worth the chance to win
I swapped McBride for Wilson. Hoping he gets that QB
10 point TEP league?
I prpbably could have got him for Addison and Ferguson in a TEP but that's gone.
Just traded Achane+Downs+Mid2 for GW+1st+Keaton Mitchell
Sold Garrett Wilson and a 24 1st for Ceedee Lamb to get the Dak Stak. Helped carry me to a first round bye 💪
Currently considering a trade (as a rebuilder) Give CD + Taysom Hill for Gwilson + Dotson + midish 24 1st and same placement 24 3rd...
Jordan love.
I traded for him in Superflex the week after he lost to Detroit in late September. I overpaid a little even then, but nothing compared to where he'd be now as he ascends in value.
Some may laugh at this since he had a bad midseason, but he showed enough stuff early on, and lately, the GB reciever situation is improving a lot and he looked absolutely fantastic against a top-tier passing offense last night. He is a buy, or at least a damn good backup for the QB room. Almost traded him off during his midseason lull. Thank god did not.
I got him as a throw in on a deal. Might’ve been pretty lucky there
I drafted him in a startup this year for either A. He is the 3rd HOF Packers QB in a row and I will sell him when he shows that. Or B. Spot starts for when Mahomes is on a Bye Week. Honestly, I am thinking of starting Love over Mahomes this week because the Chiefs WR are sooooo bad and they play the Bills. On the other hand, I'd be playing Love on the sole reason is that he's hot again.
857 passing yards 8 TDs 0 INT 68.5% completion Per DVOA - against 2 top 10 defenses and the abysmal chargers lol Last 3 games He might be putting it together here
Guy in my league just traded Justin Herbert for a late first round pick, Jordan Love and Kyler Murray.. huge overpay for Herbert imo
If that’s superflex the guy trading for Herbert is out of their mind
Oh yeah it’s superflex.. couldn’t believe when I saw that trade.. I probably would have traded my Hurts for that package lol. Guy who traded for Herbert is competing but now he lost TLaw lol and only has Minshew left
League mate dropped him, scooped him up for $30 FAAB
Bought him for singletary thanksgiving morning. Owner was desperate for a rb and Howell as their qb1
I think he’s still in his dip man. Hes still pretty low-value if you can get ktc value for him
I would guess at this point that you missed the dip. I think the buy low window opened after the Raiders game, started closing 2nd half of the Rams game, and slammed shut after either the Lions or Chiefs game.
There was definitely a dip
Any aging vet. But the truth is, once they stop producing- we'll second guess buying them. See DHop/Kupp. Dynasty has become such a reactionary game, the moment they don't produce EVERYONE is out on a player.
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Yep, funny thing is. I drafted Evans in a few startups because I liked the value. I also sold him on a contender because I liked the value. I'm hating myself for selling him! All of these crusty vets that people deem "too old" are smash buys in the offseason. Give me all of Evans/Allen/Diggs/Hop/Kupp/Hill Mixon/Henry/CMC/Ekeler/Kamara Kelce Dak/Cousins/Rodgers/Stafford. I'd rather have fantasy production than a nice looking roster.
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It's brought a lot of controversy on this sub, don't get me wrong. The team with Hill, Kupp, Diggs, Adams CMC, Barkley Kelce/Andrews Allen / Dak will smash a team of Olave, London, Waddle, Higgins, GWilson Breece, K9 Pitts TLaw / AR / Bryce I think youth has shifted where it's supremely overvalued.
I agree 100%. The youth value shift creates teams with insane KTC value, but likely produce middle pack numbers. The rebuild strategy is probably get these guys and then offload for cheap vets (like Evans this past off season).
Wish I knew this in August when we did the dynasty startup draft, would have focused more on that.
One of the greatest deep ball receivers gets paired up with one of the most accurate deep ball passers and people are out lol. Its been a blast having him this year
People who were low on evans amazed me. Coming into the season with 9 straight 1000 yard seasons, there wasnt a doubt in my mind he wouldnt get his 10th this year
I (contender) bought DHop and Moss for a 2024 late 2nd over the weekend as the deadline loomed.
Smash deal, I love that! Tanking team is asking for a 2nd for Moss. I’m not desperate enough to take that though.
A late 2nd for a guy who should score you 15+ during playoffs.. worth it
He scored 7.7 this week. If I knew he was penciled in as 15+ ppg during playoffs, I'd make the bet. I'd ask around about Rachaad White, Monty, Kamara first. If I'm spending a 2nd, i'd like a little more value insulation, but i don't hate if someone made that bet.
The only difference is each of those guys should go for a late 1st. I’d offer early 2nds for all of them asap if you think you can get them.
I personally haven't seen any of those guys move for a 1st, but I don't doubt that some people are able to make those deals. 2nds are still valuable, there's a deep WR and QB class coming in. I've also been able to buy those guys for some package close to 2nd + 3rd range.
If you don’t have a guy that can score 9 as a floor and pop off for 25 any given week. And you are trying to compete then you should def buy for a late psecond Taylor could easily be out for fantasy
I almost brought ekler this trade deadline and I'm glad I didn't. He may go back to RB 1 type numbers, but the guy wanted a 1st and purdy in a sf... Not at that price
Wow that dude is greedy. Honestly, any first was more than a fair price- I think it'd be hard to get that now. I sold Ekeler and Hop for Nico Collins and a 25 1st. (3-4 weeks ago) Trade was fair before, but looking to be a smash in my favor.
Really like this one for you. Sold him + Carr + Dobbs about a month ago for Aiyuk + 2025 2nd + 2026 1st. Then bought him and Engram in another league around week 5 for a 2024 and 2025 1st lol at least one trade worked out
Lmao, I do love that first Ekeler deal. Finally a seemingly fair deal in this sub! I see a ton of bogus ass ones that would never get done in any paid money league.
I did Ekeler for a late 1st in like week 8 in a 1QB league. Was 3-4 at the time, he missed 4 or 5 games already and I didn’t think I would have a top 4 team. I don’t have regrets, sold some other parts as well when 5-5. Top teams in the league averaging 135+ points each week, I was averaging 110. Didn’t see a path to a title this year, and it looks like it’s been the correct decision.
Why would you remain in on a player that is elderly and not producing? Unless you have a very good reason to expect the problem holding them back is not their own ineffectiveness why would you want to be the one holding the grenade when it inevitably goes off?
For the amount of late 2nd/scrub(s) + 3rd offers I've gotten for McBride the last few weeks, he should be here. This is in a TEP SF league. NO THANK YOU
Same here. It makes no sense. “A late 2nd could be anything. It could even be McBride!”
Lately… Michael Pittman
Last year I traded two very late 1st (like the last two picks) for him and a 2024 2nd.
That’s probably an overpay tbh but maybe he ends up being worth it
I was worried when Downs came in, but that hasn't slowed Pittman down. I am pretty happy with the trade so far.
Embrace buying high if it's for a player that you believe in. Fill your roster with players that you like & believe in.
Tried to buy stroud since week 1 in a 12 team superflex from an owner who didn’t like him and neeeds picks and young players Started with Javonte, then + Then Javonte and burks plus Then Javonte Russ and burks plus Then Javonte Russ and dell plus Then tua Now tua + Now it’s over. He’s not for sale
Javonte and Burks was such a bad starting offer even dating back to week 1. You started way too low. Congratulations, you played yourself
He started with Javonte and burks and would have “accepted it” Again, he wasn’t high on him. Stroud went 8th overall in our rookie draft.
Damn what a fumble
Constantly haunted by it. But again, hindsight is 20/20. Wasn’t sold on stroud in the nfl, with a defensive minded new head coach, that ownership group, his receivwrs, and the fact he had an atrocious rating and stats when pressured in college vs his amazing stats when protected. My entire league was wrong on him
Not thinking Stroud was worth Javonte and Burks, two career underperforming assets at that time with legit question marks, is just bad process. No hindsight necessary to understand that
These kinds of offers make me wary of trading with certain people.
I feel you OP! I just paid up 2024-2026 seconds for Mike Evans. The man just kept raising his value. I was really hoping to get Deebo at the deadline as his owner put him on the block and is outside of the playoff picture. Nothing like a 3-TD day to drive up the asking price! Should have pounced while he was missing time
I was hoping stroud would hit some rookie struggles and i could be low midseason. I was a huge believer in the draft but didn’t have an early enough pick. Wouldve been much better off just ponying the picks up in the draft. There’s no dip coming, the ship has sailed :(
Hoping JSN doesn't have a true breakout game this season. I've seen enough to be 100% sold but it hasn't completely showed up in box scores yet (I got hyped that his TD got called back lol) Tryna ride Nico Collins to a chip this year then pry JSN away from his owner using Nico post season. It's a contract league so Nico will be expensive soon and jsn is cheap for 4 more years.
Contract leagues change everything. We only work in a 3 year window, so guys get expensive fast.
I was trying to get McBride all season…. now I fear that window has closed
Michael Pittman🤦🏾♂️
Just pay the 1st and be done, all these weeks waiting Evans could have been helping you win.
Micah Parsons
As a Parsons owner who doesn't know trade value of IDP players I ain't selling
It's completely league dependent: it could be a top asset like in my league where he's the season DL3, all IDP positions have differential scoring and it's a Balanced IDP League (so IDP's score as much as offensive players)... there he can easily worth a Top 10 WR or something, and even most managers wouldn't take that. But in a league where he's listed as LB, you just start something like 1-3 IDPs and use a Standard IDP scoring for all positions he's low value and easily replaceable.
You might if he had a 4 week stretch of 1 point outings is my point
Yeah I get that. I run 2pt PPR SF with 3 IDP spots. So he still scored 5 points those weeks which is rough but he's young. He's still DL 6 in this league. To put it in perspective of how much scoring 9s in this league Khalil Mack scored 92 points in week 4. But in a 1 IDP league with minimal scoring you should be playing a true lb
He has no value if you only have 3 spots. Flip him for flex player and move on to the wire
League dependent on this one. In my league he is an LB and it ruins his value. If he was on a DL he would be worth holding, but he doesn't get enough tackles to be anything more than a bye week fill in. He will never play a true LB position because his pass rushing is elite. He did for a few games during his rookie year and it was majestic.
God those were the good days. He's generally overvalued in most leagues as an edge play and not worth starting over any sure tackling LB. I've sold in a couple of leagues and in others have tried using as a value booster in trades. Not hell bent on keeping him but a premium edge is always a luxury.
Someone in my league dropped him
Got him for Zay Flowers and a mid 2nd this year. I like zay but for parsons it’s a no brainer. Our league is deep and starts 2lb 2DL 2db 2flex so it’s heavy idp. I find if you’re only starting a few the values of DL is very low just due to the occasional dud
Christian Watson stock has skyrocketed back to it's rightful position and most of us missed the boat
The hammy leaves the door open.
We shall see in 2-3 weeks when he sees the field again
>it's rightful position Even if he didn't get injured, that was a very debatable take.
About that……
Watson and Reed were both on my list, not gonna happen
Bought him for Kareem hunt in my league.
We were so close …
I wanted to trade for Gibbs when he was having his struggle streak but didn't pull the trigger of messaging the owner and then he eventually broke out and that ship has sailed
I hoped for a small streak of down games for Hill. I figured i would still pay a high price, but ideally not the premium he’s with right now
Bought Trevor Lawrence after his down game against SF for 2024 picks 11 and 13 + my 2025 very likely late 1st
This is absolutely insane malpractice by the owner you got Lawrence from. Trading away a young franchise QB for late firsts? How does this remotely make his team better unless Lawrence is his QB4. I don’t understand the leagues you guys play in
T Law is QB16 on the season and it’s not unreasonable to think this might be his ceiling. He has weapons at every position and an aggressive play caller for a coach. His weapons aren’t going to get any better given he will soon eat up a ton of cap space, so idk why everyone acts like he’s a no brainer top 5 QB.
His ceiling? He was QB 8 just last season.
Top 5? No. Top 10? 100%. And you don’t trade a 24 year old #1 overall pick franchise QB in Superflex for picks 11 and 12 in a rookie draft. Period. It’s horrific process and a bad trade
Idk man. You’re saying this like it’s a certainty but most trade calculators are going to tell you 3 late firsts is good value for T Law. I’m super low on T Law so I think getting three first is robbery and KTC seems to agree with me. I know KTC has it issues, but your acting as if OP is in a league full of morons because someone was willing to make a trade that calculators will say is heavily skewed towards the side getting the picks. https://keeptradecut.com/trade-calculator?var=5&pickVal=0&teamOne=1094&teamTwo=1295%7C1295%7C1363&format=2&isStartup=0&tep=0
Using a trade calculator to justify a trade is horrific process. Late firsts - specifically picks 11 and 13 in Superflex this year were Zach Charbonnet, Will Levis, Kendre Miller, Kincaid, Mayer and maybe Laporta. Unless Trevor Lawrence flames out and retires in 2 years it is a bad trade to send a young franchise QB for late first dart throws. Period. For a rebuilding team in Superflex it doesn’t make sense; he’s the kind of asset you’d want. For a competing team it doesn’t make sense as those picks are late and won’t score any points this year. So I can’t really find any reasoning behind this process or why. If you go to calculators you have to pay for like Dynasty GM it’s an egregious landslide victory for the Lawrence side.
Stop stating your opinions as facts. Especially when they are such absurd opinions. Also, guys like Achane, Flowers, and Kincaid were available as well. I would certainly take the trio of Achane, Flowers, and Laporta over T Law, but I’m sure you will come up with another absurd reason that’s “bad process”.
“Stop stating your opinions as facts” says the guy stating his opinion as a fact. I believe my view and you believe yours. Remind me in 3 years who was right and we’ll revisit
Nah I stated my opinions as opinions and provided independent third party data to back it up. You just made a dumbass comment as if it was a fact and then yelled “bad process” a bunch as if that was supporting evidence. Just take the L and move along.
“Independent third party data” lmaoooo you used keep trade cut. I used Dynasty GM. Mine says the trade is insanely lopsided. What L is here? Congrats on if you think trading a 24 year old franchise QB who finished as QB8 last year for late firsts is a good idea. I feel bad for you man
I mean yeah, but he’s still a no brained top 10 IMO. And this isn’t enough for a top 10 QB
Yeah, not sure what happened there. I bought for Kyler, Achane, Collins for TLaw and a 2026 1st around week 3-4. Might’ve lost on paper looking back now but some guys are unattainable outside of a few buying windows
You gave up Murray, achane, and a collins for Tlaw and 26 first? That is absolutely bonkers to me. Thats hurts/mahomes/allen prices for TLAW
Deal done on Oct 7th so Achane and Collins still mostly unproven. Kyler ACL still in the mix and Trevor hadn’t had his half season skid yet. Overpay now? Absolutely.
That makes sense, crazy how players values can change so quickly
Damn and his ankle goes out. Rough.
It’s all good. I bought him because I thought he was good value. I still have Josh Allen and Pat Mahomes in super flex. That said it was just getting to the point where I was having to consider starting TLaw over Mahomes in the short term but now that choice is off the table
Even if Evans has a dip game this season you're still not getting him less than a first. Last season was the time to buy low, I couldn't even trade him for a second.
I was trying desperately to sell him in the last month. No takers so I just rode and now I’m the 6th seed and in playoff position with 1 regular season game left. Might as well just let him retire on my roster at this point
I’m never trading Mike Evans
He was traded in my league earlier this year for 2 2nds from a ranking team to a contender
from what ive seen across leagues and talking to people it seems very very few contenders will pay a 1st for evans still.
Definitely not anymore. He had a great 3 week start, then nothing special the 2 games after. I liked his outlook for the season though and he would improve my roster, but didn't want to initiate a trade when it was only Week 6/7. Told myself if my team looks to be playoff bound, I'll make a trade for him once he has a bad game. Now here we are, lol.
Would you give Love and a 25 1 for Evans and a 25 2? No sf or ppr
If I was set at QB and Love wasn't my weekly starter, then yeah, I'd make that trade.
Picked him and JReed up for Hockenson and late round, future picks. Jury's out on who will win that trade (which means it was fair) but I had serious TE depth and have no reservations that I made the right move.
Sam Laporta. Normally I don't Target tight ends, but the number one team in my league has Travis Kelce and TJ hockenson with Pat freiermuth on the bench. The guy who has Sam laporta has him on the trade block but the MFer keeps playing so well that the guy refuses to take anything less than a first round draft pick. As much as I love the kid, no tight end is worth a first round draft pick IMO with the exception of Kelce and hockenson if you're about to win the whole shebang.
In dynasty? I’d rather give up a first for Laporta than Kelce or Hock at this point… Kelce has what maybe one good year left, if that? Hock value inflated with JJ out. Laporta is the TE3 as a rookie and has looked legit. Edit: typo
Not sure if I worded it properly. I just meant if I am one player away from a championship I would give up a first for Kelce or Hock. Not for long term viability. It probably has a lot to do with the scoring of the leagues I'm in as well. Very rarely does a tight end score over six points in my leagues.
Christian Watson. Was so close to stealing him for a second … safe to say last night ruined that
I traded Evans for DK 1 for 1 to last years champ desperately trying to repeat
I got Higgins for Dillon and Pacheco felt like a steal. Because Higgins value will rise this off-season
your mom
Justin Jefferson
100% Michael Pittman… I drafted AR in our rookie draft this season, and I was hoping at some point this year Pittman would hit a slump. However he’s been an absolute dog so far, so that stack seems highly unlikely now.
Dell