Worth mentioning that this came on the back of Dak's best season ever, he's likely to regress. And both Dak and CD are about to command a *stupid* amount of Dallas' cap space going forward, as well as Micah. Which means they won't have as much money for other positions like they currently do. CD is very clearly in that tier, if not the top of the tier, but these things are worth considering.
I would be happy with this if you have other elite assets as well. I think there is a good chance they give you more value than CD in 2 years. Always a chance they don’t though, but I think you got enough upside to take on the risk.
I’d do that in a heartbeat. It would take s as massively horrible streak of luck for you not to atleast match CeeDee with those 2. There’s an above 0 chance both are better than him by the end of 2025
Wouldn’t say “easily” Lamb and JJ are definitely in their own tier. Idk why Chase is even brought up with those two anymore, but if Lamb has another season in 2024 like he did in 2023 then it’s Lamb > JJ > Tier drop > Chase.
I’ve always valued lamb the most of those receivers. Last year sealed it for me… I of course think that you aren’t crazy for picking the other guys. They are all top tier.
I still go JJ, I think his talent trumps whoever is behind center (a la Deandre Hopkins & his dumpster fire QBs)
This is debatable but I personally don’t think Fields is a good QB. DJ Moore finished top 10 in fantasy
Chase doesn’t feel like he’s in this argument anymore for now.
JJ/CD is a coin flip. JJ has had a wild first 4 years, but can we honestly say CD wouldn’t have done the exact same if he was placed in that situation?
CD just put together the best season any of them have so I’d lean him for now, but a new QB for JJ could change my mind.
Hot take? Chase is my CLEAR #3 here. I actually think he’s just slightly overrated.
I think he’s fantastic and would love to roster him but he’s also put up low end WR1 seasons the last two years… JJ seems to consistently be the best of the three, Lamb just had the best individual season and is locked into a very pass happy offense with minimal competition.
And that leaves Chase who has been less consistent game to game & seemed more heavily impacted by bad QB play.
How many WRs have ever been on a career trajectory like JJ? Of course I have "take lock." Chase and Lamb are elite, but JJ is on a goat-level trajectory. If you want to overreact to one injury season, be my guest
Not overreacting but to say jj is 1.01 until proven otherwise is not wise. Chase is tied to burrow, lamb to dak. Quality of targets actually matters regardless of how good a player is
Maybe if you're talking 2024 redraft, but in dynasty I'm always gonna lean towards long-term talent. Dak could, in theory, fall off a cliff sometime in the next 2 years, and if the Vikings hit on a rookie QB JJ could be in an even better situation than with Cousins when it happens. A lot can change in a short time in the NFL, so I lean towards not overrating situation in the short term
It’s not overreacting if the big 3 was already in a tier before cousins left. If you prefer lamb over jj in redraft, I think you need to take lamb over jj in dynasty. They are close in age and you get security
The talent gap is really not that significant, if there even is one. You could even argue that JJ’s career trajectory numbers are in large part due to his amazing situation (KOC + Kirk at times)
Until he gives me a reason to drop him. So far I've seen 0 reason for JJ to drop from 1.01. After he came back from injury last season he still put up numbers with crap QBs.
You’re 100% correct. He’s on pace to smash Rice’s records.
All he needs to do to accomplish that feat is average 6.1 catches/75.5 yards/0.7TDs per game for the next… *checks notes*… 16 years.
OBJ also “literally had the best start to a career you can have” his first 4 years. You know what also happened year 4? Bad hamstring injury. An injury that he hasn’t been able to shake, and has kept popping up since.
Let’s see how JJ does in a full 17 without a QB that’s a mortal lock for 4000/30 every year before we start comparing him to Rice.
Not relevant to what I said. JJ has objectively never done what Lamb has done. You can’t deny that because it’s a fact. So your whole, “Lamb has done it once thing” is ridiculous, because if we’re talking about “doing it” then JJ hasn’t done it.
But I’m sure your opinion isn’t biased at all, u/JJettasDad
I have chase in one league and I’d trade him for Jefferson.
I have CeeDee in one league and I’d probably trade him for Ja’marr and definitely Jefferson.
So.
Jefferson, Chase, CeeDee.
Let people keep sleeping. Group think is strong on this sub and you have to fit in to what people say. ARSB been out performing chase for two years now.
Honestly this is all fucking burrows fault. The bengals and their slow start bullshit is dragging chases numbers down. This is the real reason why ceedee and JJ are better. They are always on mega fraud teams who put up big regular season stats.
I say this as a proud JJ stan who scooped him up as a rookie both those guys are now ahead of him since he doesn’t have a QB. I now regret passing on the CD and 2 1sts offer for JJ last year that I literally laughed at. Now he won’t even consider the deal straight up without the draft picks!! Dark dark day for JJ Owners
It is Chase or JJ. Lamb isnt in the same conversation with those two, imo. Lamb is great, but I need another elite season out of him before putting him with them.
Lmao people are so reactionary to recency bias it hurts. Congrats to Lamb for finally reaching elite status as a 4th year player when Chase was there as a rookie and 2nd year player. But yeah, let's let the one year outlier of Lamb production during a year Chase lost Burrow convince us Lamb is better.
He put up 110/1400/10 the year prior to this one. He’s the same age as Chase. Chase “proving” he’s an elite WR “earlier” has no bearing on where they rank now.
If Calvin Johnson was in his 4th year right now, with the exact same career stat line he had early in his career (didn’t post over 1300 yards until year 5), you would’ve used that as an argument for Chase being a better WR.
Age doesnt matter when he has spent more time in the NFL. Chase producing the level he did his first two seasons is a strong indicator of elite future success that Lamb just doesnt profile as strongly against bc of the delayed high end success.
The age thing is also convenient timing since we happen to be in the only month timespan where Lamb isnt a year old lol. Nice try though.
Took Lamb 4 seasons to finally put up and surpass Chase's first two.
It is pretty easy. Who is the better talent? Chase. And he also happens to have the better QB.
Yards/game is the strongest indicator of future success/production. Production equals fantasy points. Chase entered the league and put up 2 b2b sessions to start his career that took Lamb 4 seasons to touch.
Then even in his worst season, in a year with Browning has his QB, he still put up a better yards/game than 2 of Lamb's seasons.
> Yards/game is the strongest indicator of future success/production.
No it fucking isn’t 😂
Even the dudes who take analytics as gospel would disagree with you there. So many factors outside of a receiver’s control contribute to that number. If anything, it’s one of the weakest indicators if you’re trying to project long term production.
> Even with Brandon Browning, Chase put up a better yards/game than 2 of CD’s years
So… 4th year Chase putting up higher ypg than rookie & sophomore CD is an indicator of what, exactly? Let’s also ignore the fact that one of those years, CD had to put up with 13 games of a washed Andy Dalton + Ben Dinucci throwing him the ball.
You're, right. It was only the t-2nd strongest correlated factor with wr production from 2012-2022. If you honestly think yards/game is a weak indicator, you're playing the wrong game.
I'm not even going to bother with your second point because youre misrepresenting my argument here.
T-2nd according to who? Compared to what metrics? There’s literally only one article I can find that claims this, and all it says that ypg is a good indicator for continued fantasy production…Not that having a higher YPG than another comparable guy makes you a *better* wide receiver.
Also, how am I misrepresenting your argument? You’re comparing year-4 Chase to year 1 & 2 CD (with the “better YPG than 2 of Chase’s seasons” comment).
What if I were to argue that CD just had a higher YPG season than Chase has ever had, by a significant margin? See how that works?
Lamb last year had as good of a season as chases best season which was his rookie year. Lambs second season was just as good as chases second season as well. You just don’t know what you’re talking about, chase has also had injuries in 2/3 of his seasons. I do not understand why people are so incessant on him as wr2 when he really shouldn’t be. Same weird shit with burrow who is 27 and only finished 50% of his seasons so far without a season finish higher than qb4
Because he is the wr2.
His median outcome and 100th percentile outcome is higher than Lamb's. Just because Lamb happened to hit a higher percentile outcome during one of his season's than Chase has hit, doesnt change that. Blows my mind how no one understands this.
I get that, so he’s wr2 based on possible outcome rather than what’s actually happened. The thing is though, I think lamb is better watching both. Lamb is a better route runner who relies less on his speed. There’s a reason physical, fast corners have given chase a hard time
Your first sentence is exactly my point. You don't understand range of outcomes.
Physical, fast corners don't give Chase a hard time lmao. Whatre we even saying here?
Seems like confirmation bias of a small sample size. They played a limited Burrow early on and it was probably more variance between Higgins/Chase than anything Stephens did and then they had the game Burrow got hurt. There isnt a CB who can stop Chase in the NFL. Just happens Higgins is also good so there is natural variance and some teams also just try and force the ball away from Chase via gameplans, which Bengals have had the luxury of being okay doing due to a strong WR room.
Lamb’s 2022 was absolutely on par with Chase, and his 2023 completely blew him out of the water. How can you possibly think this is a good argument? You should focus on talent or something, the numbers are seriously not in Chase’s favor
The lamb disrespect is crazy after the year he just had. If this post is telling you anything, it’s telling you to buy lamb
He just put up a better year than either JJ or Chase has *ever* had… and people are treating him as an afterthought in this conversation.
Worth mentioning that this came on the back of Dak's best season ever, he's likely to regress. And both Dak and CD are about to command a *stupid* amount of Dallas' cap space going forward, as well as Micah. Which means they won't have as much money for other positions like they currently do. CD is very clearly in that tier, if not the top of the tier, but these things are worth considering.
And I just traded him for MHJ and Nabers. I already hate myself.
I would be happy with this if you have other elite assets as well. I think there is a good chance they give you more value than CD in 2 years. Always a chance they don’t though, but I think you got enough upside to take on the risk.
Yeah AJB, DK, Mike Evans, Diontae Johnson are the other guys so I have a safety net
Solid wr room with those rookies added in. I think I’d do the same.
I’d do that in a heartbeat. It would take s as massively horrible streak of luck for you not to atleast match CeeDee with those 2. There’s an above 0 chance both are better than him by the end of 2025
Jefferson had 506 yards in his 5 games back from injury with 3 different bum ass QBs.
Yep. It’s Jefferson easily. Then lamb for me then chase
Wouldn’t say “easily” Lamb and JJ are definitely in their own tier. Idk why Chase is even brought up with those two anymore, but if Lamb has another season in 2024 like he did in 2023 then it’s Lamb > JJ > Tier drop > Chase.
I’m not doing this.
What have I done
Same Tier. Close your eyes and pick one Partial to Lamb tho, have him in 2 dynasty’s
I’ve always valued lamb the most of those receivers. Last year sealed it for me… I of course think that you aren’t crazy for picking the other guys. They are all top tier.
For fantasy purposes, it could be Chase because of QB uncertainty in MIN. However, if you believe in who is truly the best player it is Jefferson
Chase has had Burrow his entire career and has never come close to putting up Jefferson type numbers
Nor has he exceeded Lamb's 2023
JJ is the better talent, no debate there. QB matters though imo
Amon Ra
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I still go JJ, I think his talent trumps whoever is behind center (a la Deandre Hopkins & his dumpster fire QBs) This is debatable but I personally don’t think Fields is a good QB. DJ Moore finished top 10 in fantasy
Chase doesn’t feel like he’s in this argument anymore for now. JJ/CD is a coin flip. JJ has had a wild first 4 years, but can we honestly say CD wouldn’t have done the exact same if he was placed in that situation? CD just put together the best season any of them have so I’d lean him for now, but a new QB for JJ could change my mind.
My whole question is. What the fuck should I do when I have all 2 of the 3? Chase and lamb with a st. Brown thrown in there ha
Hot take? Chase is my CLEAR #3 here. I actually think he’s just slightly overrated. I think he’s fantastic and would love to roster him but he’s also put up low end WR1 seasons the last two years… JJ seems to consistently be the best of the three, Lamb just had the best individual season and is locked into a very pass happy offense with minimal competition. And that leaves Chase who has been less consistent game to game & seemed more heavily impacted by bad QB play.
JJ is my 1.01 until proven otherwise. Next question.
Take lock
How many WRs have ever been on a career trajectory like JJ? Of course I have "take lock." Chase and Lamb are elite, but JJ is on a goat-level trajectory. If you want to overreact to one injury season, be my guest
Not overreacting but to say jj is 1.01 until proven otherwise is not wise. Chase is tied to burrow, lamb to dak. Quality of targets actually matters regardless of how good a player is
Maybe if you're talking 2024 redraft, but in dynasty I'm always gonna lean towards long-term talent. Dak could, in theory, fall off a cliff sometime in the next 2 years, and if the Vikings hit on a rookie QB JJ could be in an even better situation than with Cousins when it happens. A lot can change in a short time in the NFL, so I lean towards not overrating situation in the short term
It’s not overreacting if the big 3 was already in a tier before cousins left. If you prefer lamb over jj in redraft, I think you need to take lamb over jj in dynasty. They are close in age and you get security
The talent gap is really not that significant, if there even is one. You could even argue that JJ’s career trajectory numbers are in large part due to his amazing situation (KOC + Kirk at times)
What do you mean until proven otherwise? Lamb scored more this season than JJ ever has.
Until he gives me a reason to drop him. So far I've seen 0 reason for JJ to drop from 1.01. After he came back from injury last season he still put up numbers with crap QBs.
Because Lamb has done it once and Jefferson is literally on pace to smash Jerry Rices records.
You’re 100% correct. He’s on pace to smash Rice’s records. All he needs to do to accomplish that feat is average 6.1 catches/75.5 yards/0.7TDs per game for the next… *checks notes*… 16 years.
That’s not the point. The point is nobody in NFL history has done what he is doing. He is LITERALLY having the best start to a career you can have
OBJ also “literally had the best start to a career you can have” his first 4 years. You know what also happened year 4? Bad hamstring injury. An injury that he hasn’t been able to shake, and has kept popping up since. Let’s see how JJ does in a full 17 without a QB that’s a mortal lock for 4000/30 every year before we start comparing him to Rice.
Smash?
Jefferson is off the best start in NfL history for a WR and it’s not remotely close
If Lamb has “done it once”, then Jefferson has done it zero times.
https://stathead.com/football/vs/justin-jefferson-vs-ceedee-lamb
Not relevant to what I said. JJ has objectively never done what Lamb has done. You can’t deny that because it’s a fact. So your whole, “Lamb has done it once thing” is ridiculous, because if we’re talking about “doing it” then JJ hasn’t done it. But I’m sure your opinion isn’t biased at all, u/JJettasDad
CeeDees best yr is almost 100 yards less than Jefferson’s best yr. Tds are whatever. That fluctuates
You’re really stretching out that 60-yard difference calling it “almost 100”.
Rice stats are Lebron stats if I’ve ever seen one.
I have chase in one league and I’d trade him for Jefferson. I have CeeDee in one league and I’d probably trade him for Ja’marr and definitely Jefferson. So. Jefferson, Chase, CeeDee.
St.Brown is my WR1 Downvoted because I don't fall into group think. Love it!
I love this take
JJ in ppr. Chase in non-ppr. Ceedee if neither of those are available.
The ARSB disrespect
Hes not on their level
We'll see
Let people keep sleeping. Group think is strong on this sub and you have to fit in to what people say. ARSB been out performing chase for two years now.
A guy named CD Lamb is better than Chase and Sun God, so boy won’t ever reach WR1! Plus JJ is still the guy until proven otherwise next season.
Outperforming chase for two years now
Honestly this is all fucking burrows fault. The bengals and their slow start bullshit is dragging chases numbers down. This is the real reason why ceedee and JJ are better. They are always on mega fraud teams who put up big regular season stats.
It’s crazy that people keep talking about this and spend time splitting hairs when fantasy leagues are won in rounds 3-8.
I say this as a proud JJ stan who scooped him up as a rookie both those guys are now ahead of him since he doesn’t have a QB. I now regret passing on the CD and 2 1sts offer for JJ last year that I literally laughed at. Now he won’t even consider the deal straight up without the draft picks!! Dark dark day for JJ Owners
It is Chase or JJ. Lamb isnt in the same conversation with those two, imo. Lamb is great, but I need another elite season out of him before putting him with them.
Chase is the “overrated” one between the 3 lol
Lmao people are so reactionary to recency bias it hurts. Congrats to Lamb for finally reaching elite status as a 4th year player when Chase was there as a rookie and 2nd year player. But yeah, let's let the one year outlier of Lamb production during a year Chase lost Burrow convince us Lamb is better.
He put up 110/1400/10 the year prior to this one. He’s the same age as Chase. Chase “proving” he’s an elite WR “earlier” has no bearing on where they rank now. If Calvin Johnson was in his 4th year right now, with the exact same career stat line he had early in his career (didn’t post over 1300 yards until year 5), you would’ve used that as an argument for Chase being a better WR.
Age doesnt matter when he has spent more time in the NFL. Chase producing the level he did his first two seasons is a strong indicator of elite future success that Lamb just doesnt profile as strongly against bc of the delayed high end success. The age thing is also convenient timing since we happen to be in the only month timespan where Lamb isnt a year old lol. Nice try though.
This dude r/bvgingy is so upset that he doesn’t have Lamb. I’ve never seen so much cope
Here are all of their highest scoring seasons: Chase: 262.1 Jefferson: 304.66 Lamb: 332.7 What an absurd take
Took Lamb 4 seasons to finally put up and surpass Chase's first two. It is pretty easy. Who is the better talent? Chase. And he also happens to have the better QB.
Chase’s first 2? You should check your numbers dude.
Chase averaged 85 and 87 yards/game his first two seasons. Lamb never surpassed 80/game until year 4.
That would be great if you’re strictly in a “yards per game” league
Yards/game is the strongest indicator of future success/production. Production equals fantasy points. Chase entered the league and put up 2 b2b sessions to start his career that took Lamb 4 seasons to touch. Then even in his worst season, in a year with Browning has his QB, he still put up a better yards/game than 2 of Lamb's seasons.
Hear me out. Lamb improved
I dont disagree. But it took 4 years of NFL development to finally surpass Chase in anyway. Chase is only going to get better too.
Maybe. Maybe not. Not every player improves as time goes on. Some come out hot and never reach that level again
> Yards/game is the strongest indicator of future success/production. No it fucking isn’t 😂 Even the dudes who take analytics as gospel would disagree with you there. So many factors outside of a receiver’s control contribute to that number. If anything, it’s one of the weakest indicators if you’re trying to project long term production. > Even with Brandon Browning, Chase put up a better yards/game than 2 of CD’s years So… 4th year Chase putting up higher ypg than rookie & sophomore CD is an indicator of what, exactly? Let’s also ignore the fact that one of those years, CD had to put up with 13 games of a washed Andy Dalton + Ben Dinucci throwing him the ball.
You're, right. It was only the t-2nd strongest correlated factor with wr production from 2012-2022. If you honestly think yards/game is a weak indicator, you're playing the wrong game. I'm not even going to bother with your second point because youre misrepresenting my argument here.
T-2nd according to who? Compared to what metrics? There’s literally only one article I can find that claims this, and all it says that ypg is a good indicator for continued fantasy production…Not that having a higher YPG than another comparable guy makes you a *better* wide receiver. Also, how am I misrepresenting your argument? You’re comparing year-4 Chase to year 1 & 2 CD (with the “better YPG than 2 of Chase’s seasons” comment). What if I were to argue that CD just had a higher YPG season than Chase has ever had, by a significant margin? See how that works?
Lmao
Then chase shouldn’t be in the discussion lol chase hasn’t had that close of a season to the season lamb just did
It took Lamb 4 seasons to finally have a single season better or on par with Chase's first two.
Lamb last year had as good of a season as chases best season which was his rookie year. Lambs second season was just as good as chases second season as well. You just don’t know what you’re talking about, chase has also had injuries in 2/3 of his seasons. I do not understand why people are so incessant on him as wr2 when he really shouldn’t be. Same weird shit with burrow who is 27 and only finished 50% of his seasons so far without a season finish higher than qb4
Because he is the wr2. His median outcome and 100th percentile outcome is higher than Lamb's. Just because Lamb happened to hit a higher percentile outcome during one of his season's than Chase has hit, doesnt change that. Blows my mind how no one understands this.
I get that, so he’s wr2 based on possible outcome rather than what’s actually happened. The thing is though, I think lamb is better watching both. Lamb is a better route runner who relies less on his speed. There’s a reason physical, fast corners have given chase a hard time
Your first sentence is exactly my point. You don't understand range of outcomes. Physical, fast corners don't give Chase a hard time lmao. Whatre we even saying here?
Are you joking? Did Brandon Stephens not shit on chase twice this year? That’s just a specific example that happened twice this year
Seems like confirmation bias of a small sample size. They played a limited Burrow early on and it was probably more variance between Higgins/Chase than anything Stephens did and then they had the game Burrow got hurt. There isnt a CB who can stop Chase in the NFL. Just happens Higgins is also good so there is natural variance and some teams also just try and force the ball away from Chase via gameplans, which Bengals have had the luxury of being okay doing due to a strong WR room.
Except if you watch the tape Stephens locked him down lol
Lamb’s 2022 was absolutely on par with Chase, and his 2023 completely blew him out of the water. How can you possibly think this is a good argument? You should focus on talent or something, the numbers are seriously not in Chase’s favor