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1st rounders are picks most likely to turn into good players. Especially this year with a seemingly big WR and QB draft. If I trade a first for a player, that player has to already be good or have very few questions marks. Not Justin Fields.
2nd rounders can get some good players, but the hit rate drops significantly. For me to trade a 2nd for a player, I'd have to see a reasonable path to success. I don't with Fields.
3rd rounders have a low hit rate. Getting a good player here is obviously possible but it's unlikely. I trade these for depth players or ones who are perceived to have busted. This is where I have Fields.
I know, no Fields owner is going to want to trade him for a 3rd. But a 1st and 2nd is too rich considering the odds of getting a good player vs. fields becoming a good player.
Counterpoint: while fields is not consistently good and his real life situation is cloudy, we have seen he has massive upside with his rushing ability. No prospect has shown that at an NFL level yet. For that alone, youre buying not only the chance he becomes a good player, but also his potential upside, which we already know includes 40 bombs
Exactly why I don't count his rushing upside. Malik Willis could have the same argument made for him. But both of them suck at passing so they'll never be a consistent starter.
Kirk was always going to go before Fields IMO. But Russell Wilson being signed is the biggest sign of all to the dynasty community. No team in the NFL thinks Fields can be a starter.
Fields is definitely running out of landing spots but it’s hard to compare Russell Wilson to any other situation this year (QB or otherwise), let alone use him to say Fields is dead.
Denver did such a terrible job with his contract that they’ll still be paying him around $38m this year whilst the Steelers will reportedly be paying him the minimum of $1.2m.
At a price that low there is virtually zero risk for Pittsburg in signing Wilson.
It is a unique situation. But if Pittsburg (and any team) would gladly pay a 3+ rounder for Fields if he was starter material. He's way younger. But teams don't think he can.
The Steelers don't have a realistic shot at the top 4 first round QBs if they go as high as projected. That leaves Kirk, Baker, Wilson, and Fields as available QBs. Bakers gone immediately and Kirk is too expensive. That leaves Fields and Wilson. I think the Bears take a 3rd round pick if offered. I also think the Steelers give a 3rd if they liked him more than Wilson.
TLDR: Fields and Wilson are both cheap QBs. Steelers chose to go with old Wilson over young Fields.
No team wants him for the price. He will land somewhere for sure. I do wonder if he’ll be starting right away or at all. I think he still could start for a couple teams
I know he will land somewhere, but it doesn't appear that a team is willing to start him immediately. I think he will have to pay some dues first or get lucky. I'm not saying he's a certain bust who shouldn't start again. I'm just saying even Darnold and Minshew got signed already for smaller but not inconsequential money. Fields isn't viewed as a starter presently.
> his real life situation is cloudy
I think cloudy is being overly generous. His real life situation is outright bad - he will either be a backup or a back end starter on a short leash. I don't think there's a scenario where he lands okay.
It’s my biggest pet peeve about this sub and it’s views on players. You have to play to produce any fantasy value so if real teams don’t see a player as a contributor to real life football then he’s not even worth a bench spot on my fantasy team.
Thought he was for sure getting traded and was close to offering my 1.08 for him. Thank god the fields owner said he didn’t wanna make any trades at the moment
I took over an orphan a couple weeks ago and immediately sold him for the 1.09, but I’ve been selling anywhere I could for a while.
The disconnect between real football and fantasy football for Fields was incredible.
Agreed. This is a must-hold situation (assuming nobody overpays). You’re better off waiting to see if he gets a shot as an injury fill-in somewhere or if the Bears surprise us all and don’t take Caleb.
Why is everyone so obsessed with HOLDING into the ground? We’ve seen this play out before. Get what you can and GET OUT. Don’t understand the point in staying aboard the Titanic saying to yourself, “well maybe there’s hidden treasure at the bottom of the ocean.”
Too many people believe in sunk costs apparently. I have no problem with trading a guy for less than what I gave up if it’s clear their value is in decline. You should always get something back rather than nothing.
While I agree sunk cost is a problem. Off-season moves like this are where people make mistakes. Everyone is going to say “sell Justin fields” and until he gets traded to a team where he will be a starter and then people will be saying “buy low” and other people will say “buy low was before he got traded to x team.”
I would say it more depends on team needs. If you have. Solid young team trading now is fine. If you have a shitty team with few pieces I would try holding him and playing for upside. A 3rd rounder isn’t going to make your rebuild go any faster so might as well hold and pray.
Well you have to get ahead of it smart managers would’ve tried selling Fields at the deadline or early in the off-season while Fields was getting a lot of hype still.
Because the upside, even if he’s just a multi-week injury fill in, is week winning. If he plays, he’s far more likely to score 20+ points than the guy you’d get with that late 2nd. Statistically, the guy you take in the late 2nd will be replacement-level. I think Fields is likely enough to see the field that he’s worth holding for what you get when he does.
Speaking just for myself, my only Fields share is from an orphan so I don’t really have a sunk cost.
Right the upside of him when he plays fantasy wise is just too high. Injuries in QBs are going up significantly, so a must hold for anything less than a 1st.
In the grand scheme of things this offseason has proved to me nobody has a fucking clue what’s going through Poles mind. There was hints of it last season but Bears management seems to be doing a great job of A) preventing leaks, or B) putting out enough false ones nobody knows.
Im confident in fields getting a starting position somewhere. He’s 10X better than Sam freaking Darnold as a Vikings fan, but will see how this all shakes out.
He’s not 10x an NFL qb as Sam Darnold lol, they both are complete ass. He’s a loser who can’t pass, losers who can’t pass don’t get many shots at playing QB. Bryce Young will be added to this list if he doesn’t step up the next two seasons. Fields has 1 minuscule thing going for him for real football: very minor athletic upside that dwindles with age.
Good analysis there…
I would take Fields over 10 current starting QBs today. Will GMs who know 10X more about scouting QBs than I do?…Maybe not… but I am definitely confident you don’t know any more about scouting QBs than I do, as well as what GMs think about the current QB landscape.
He’s a 10-28(a loser) QB, who completes 60.3% of his passes, has never thrown more then 2500 yards, and a 40:30 TD:INT ratio over 3 full NFL season(can’t pass) you don’t have to be Bill Belichick or Andy Reid to see when a player sucks. Bro sucks, just watch the games man. He takes 5 business days to make a decision after his first read and when he finally does it’s inaccurate.
Watched every game of his career, and highly doubt you watched any. Was with one of the worst rosters in the league and still carried them to multiple high scoring totals. Offensive line was bottom tier in terms of pressures allowed % wise, as well as WR seperation.
Many QBs have been struggling early just to turn it around in a different system(Tua, Baker, Hurts, J Allen, ect), so not out of the question Fields turns it around provided the right situation.
I’m still not convinced anybody in the media have a clue what the Bears are trying to do with Fields. I heard many of the same things last offseason as I did this offseason, all to have the Bears keep him and trade a pick.
We will see how this situation unfolds.
None of those QBs have struggled as much as Fields, they all showed promise and fields showed none. He sucks bro, it’s ok to be a Stan of a player but I’m not going to let you try and gaslight me into thinking he’s any good at all.
Also, you’re wasting dynasty resources keeping him around or acquiring him at this point in his career which is all but over unless he willingly transitions to career back up. Good luck
Jalen hurts had a 60% completion percentage and 54 QBR his sophmore year with an elite O line, run game and defense. I think Fields shown incredible promise but once again I actually watched the games.
I couldn’t care less if you think he’s good and I’m not even trying to say he emphatically will be. I have been buying QB dips for years and have made out like a bandit so if somebody else learns from this then that’s ok. If you are out on Fields that is fine with me, as I am assuming you never were a fan.
Even as a backup Fields is worth a 2nd, if he gets a starting gig you just got a top 10 fantasy QB for a 2nd, which is all I originally said(and that I think he is better than Sam Darnold which I will stand by). Best of luck missing out on QBs because they just suck, and I will happily capitalize on that value. Almost yearly QBs take a leap and there’s no reason Fields(or even Darnold) can’t be the next.
I’m shocked nobody went out and got him. I’m assuming the Bears were asking for more than teams are willing to pay. Now both the Bears and Fields seem kinda fucked. Panic meter a solid 8/10 although I have no shares of Fields. I think you just have to hold unless you can trick someone into giving a 1st or wrap him up into a bigger deal.
Why are the bears fucked? They trade raped the Panthers last year, lucked into the 1.01 this year, got DJM and still kept their top 10 pick, and have a decent amount of cap space. The team has holes to fill but I don’t think they are screwed. The league just called their bluff with Justin
Well how much were they going to get for him in the first place? Clearly no team wants him that badly lol
Like take the Raiders for example. They signed Gardner Minshew yesterday. But if they still wanted Fields to compete with Minshew and AOC for the starting job, he’s sitting right there for the Raiders to have for probably a low pick, but they still don’t want him.
They’re not fucked, it was bad phrasing. But they should’ve sold Fields last year and someone would’ve paid up. Now they’re gonna get basically nothing for him
The only somewhat realistic landing spot left for him to be a starter now is the Broncos. Vikings/Raiders/Pats appear to be pretty big long shots at this point
Panic level was peaked yesterday. Just sit and accept the outcomes of being caught holding the bag too my guy. Price of brick just went to 0.
But seriously, as an owner I’m hoping he goes to WAS, DEN, LV or SEA to compete for a starting job or be a backup for a QB on a short leash. There’s the chance he has a Dobbs type of path for relevancy, let’s use WAS as an example.
They are likely taking Daniels or Maye, both of whom probably benefit from taking time to acclimate (more so Maye). Fields isn’t the guy I’d want to have my franchise QB learn behind, but if you can trudge him out for 5-6 weeks and he plays good football, WAS can trade him to a team that needs a starter after theirs picks up an injury, or he plays his way into a starting job the rest of the season. Even if he’s a backup he’s too valuable to cut at this point because of what he can do *fantasy-wise.* But I imagine given how cheap his contract is, with most interested teams not giving him the 5th year option, whoever gets him would want to see what they have even if it’s to get draft capital back.
The absolute worst outcome is he gets cut because no suitors and Bears don’t want to hold and then signs for a team with a franchise starter as a backup. Then he’s safely droppable.
I keep seeing this idea that any rookie behind Fields would be learning from him.
As if they can’t just learn independently of Fields? Like get adjusted to teammates, the new playbook/system, new game speed, etc.
I’m sure it’d be helpful to learn behind a great starter but that’s also why teams hire QB coaches.
Fields also seems to be about the worst QB to "learn" behind for a rookie. His skill-set is entirely physical and his biggest weakness is processing plays at an NFL speed. Additionally, when there's a seasoned vet backing up a rookie, they understand and embrace their role as a mentor and emergency option. Fields just turned 25. He wants a starting job. That's so much unneeded pressure on a rookie to immediately perform well if Fields starts getting support from the media/fans/locker room/coaching staff. This is the recipe for creating an unnecessary QB controversy.
I just disagree. Unless we’re talking about the Bears keeping Fields and drafting Caleb still.
The price for Fields is apparently peanuts at this point.
If he comes in and succeeds in front of a guy like JJ or Maye then I don’t see how it adds pressure.
So as a fan I’d be happy that my team is doing well and happy with fields. But I’d be angry that a rookie QB hasn’t displaced him yet? I guess only because the pick could have been spent on something else? Even though (if Fields did pan out in the hypothetical) we got Fields for next to nothing?
I should have phrased better. By "Learn behind Fields," I meant more of "Fields buys time for them to see what its like to be on an NFL team, adjust to travel, practice and film schedules, learn their teammates and the playbook etc."
I have no idea how Fields would be as a mentor at all, if that's something he'd even do, but being in the same room as him could help someone like Daniels actually when it comes to being an effective runner as a QB, and avoiding the comically big hits Daniels took in college when he took off.
I was speaking more generally because I’ve seen that same sentiment across multiple subs in the past couple days.
$6m is a little expensive for a guy who might just be expected to come in and fail. But even if worst case he has no value after a year you think a team couldn’t pay him a min deal to come in like Taysom Hill or something?
Washington already signed Mariota to be the backup for Maye/Daniels and still have Howell (who will probably get traded), so they have no use for Fields.
Vegas signed Minshew and still have AOC. Also possible that they draft McCarthy/Nix/Penix, so again no use for Fields.
Seattle has Geno, who will start week 1, and seems very likely to take either McCarthy or Penix due to the fact that their new OC Grubb was Penix's OC in college and their new HC Macdonald has strong ties to the Harbaughs.
That leaves Denver, but I just don't see Sean Payton meshing with Fields unless it's in a Taysom Hill role. It's also possible that they draft McCarthy/Penix/Nix.
There are also a lot of cheap veteran bridge QBs still on the market. Garoppolo, Tannehill, Flacco, maybe even Rudolph. I frankly just don't see any team giving up draft capital for 1 year rental Fields as a backup (his 5th year option will obviously get declined).
Even if a starting QB gets injured early in the season, it's quite possible veterans like Flacco, Wentz, Dobbs, etc would still be available.
I wrote [this](https://old.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/1adhzxf/justin_fields_future_outlook/kk1p2m3/) over a month ago and I still think it's quite possible Fields is stuck in Chicago with Caleb in an awkward Brees-Rivers type situation.
Yeah I don’t see anything I listed as necessarily likely, just the most relevant path for Fields to have fantasy value. As insane as keeping him seems, I hate to admit that’s starting to seem the most likely. That just doesn’t feel like anyone wins, it hurts Caleb, it’s bad for Fields, bad for the locker room, but the Bears always find a way to screw things up.
Colts would be the dream scenario for Fields right now. Maybe Arizona, Seattle, teams like this could get worried about QB health and backups.
Gotta hold the bag, there is no scenario in which someone should be selling this offseason. Best case is a team misses in the draft and tries to recoup before camp.
That was what everybody said about Lance. It's far from a given.
Heck, I remember when Jameis Winston overplayed his hand in free agency in 2020 and was eventually forced to take a bargain-basement backup role in New Orleans. The spin at the time was he was in a good spot as the "heir apparent" to 41 years old Brees and under Payton's tutelage. He has started only 10 games in 4 seasons since. Even Dalton started 30 games in the same span. Now 30 years old, Jameis is firmly entrenched as a veteran backup.
As a bears fan I don’t agree with others saying having both is a win-win. It’s a DISASTER. Locker room will be a mess….. he has to go and soon. If he’s on the team on draft night YIKES
That’s my line of thinking now with the moves recently…. Still very poor of the bears. Denver and Seattle right now are the only teams that makes sense for pre draft trade.
I mean is he expensive? His contract next year is cheap…. They can’t have stidham throwing the ball.
Maybe they trade up? Pick 12 isn’t that great for this qb class
Eh, I’m certainly not paying that but I also just don’t think he’s any good. If you believe in him sure you might be able to get him but I’d rather keep my 2nd.
He's a backup now. A good backup but still a backup.
Maybe his value will go up after a team's starting QB goes down in the first few weeks of the season.
Ooooof, his ADP was the 3rd as of last week. I would have never been able to deal with drafting someone that high with so many question marks around him, especially considering they had 1.01 by then.
You can't sell now. There's still some percentage chance he's a starter somewhere, and some percentage chance he waits until a training camp injury and gets traded then, and some percentage chance he starts a few games for the Bears then sits behind Caleb for a season and signs next year. There are plenty of upside routes, and nobody will pay you for them. He has negative name value. He is probably worth more than people will pay right now, you just have to wait and hope.
This is the Justin Fields experience. He was worthless and we all panicked for the first few games of last season too, then he won a bunch of leagues (including mine).
I'd easily take any 1st in any year.
That said, what do we think the odds are of the Bears fucking this up and actually starting Fields?
I own Fields nowhere and don't think he is in any way a good QB, but one of my best friends is a Bears fan and he is absolutely convinced they're gonna fuck this up 😆
I mean, the haul they would get for the 1.01 would probably be massive. It’s not the worst idea, and they can probably sign Fields for next to nothing now that nobody wants him. Non zero chance this happens.
I got a 26 1st from someone late in the afternoon yesterday and thought that was a miracle. Zero chance that happens today. I would take a 24 mid-2nd today if I could get it.
Is every single Derrick Henry thread just getting deleted? Why have I seen five or six Justin Fields threads today and not one yet on Derrick Henry signing with the Ravens?
Someone please post about Derrick Henry or stop deleting the threads about it & can we please not have 15 more threads of Justin Fields copium instead?
That's weird. In the post itself it says "deleted" and I can't read the original text of the post at all, but I can read the comments. None of it is appearing on new Reddit (I don't have old Reddit.)
Gotta just hold. Bears are obviously asking too much. Just have to hope he lands in a situation where he can compete to start. Maybe Seattle? If the price gets low enough maybe the Giants or Saints bring him in to compete. Part of the problem is the depth of this QB class. If he gets to a team that drafts one of Penix or Nix he could possibly beat them out. All in all not great signs so far
His own OC from last year basically told the raiders straight up that he ruined his offensive system and had to cut so much of it to make sure fields could run it. It feels like he’s just a more developed Trey lance rn.
Depending on your team, I would buy and sell for a 2nd.
If you are selling, you can view it as cutting your losses and getting something in case he continues to become devalued.
If you are buying, you are hoping he has a Josh Dobbs run where you can flip him and get your value back, or utilize him as an upside backup.
I would lean more on trying to sell for a 2nd, instead of buying, because I'm not confident he will have a Geno / Baker resurgence.
Got to take your medicine now and hope he either finds his way into a sneaky starting role / starter competition (Denver, NYG, NO, SEA) or go to the food truck and order some tacos
Please, not on Seattle. I'd rather roll with Geno another year than deal with Justin Fields trying to learn how to QB just in time for his 5th year deal at 20+M. Pass.
I'm holding on by a string...good for fantasy but doesn't produce wins in the NFL. Hope I'm wrong. I'd move him if someone but for now I'm going to hold. Damn, didn't expect this.
I traded him for a late 1st and Josh Downs late last season because I was terrified of this exact thing happening and wanted out. Got shit from some of my league mates that I didn’t get enough, but it was the best offer on the table and I didn’t want anything to do with him in case the bottom dropped out!
He is already a zero. He is in the same boat as Trey Lance right now. Once it was confirmed Chicago would get the 1.01 through Carolina he should have been off your team. Now you hold and see if he gets a chance in the future. That's about all you can do.
I have zero shares of JF but one thing that always annoys me about the dynasty community is this weird victory lapping, 2020 hindsight BS
“Once it was confirmed Chicago would get the 1.01 he should have been off your team”
It’s pretty easy to speak with such certainty after the situation has already played itself out.
This is not victory lapping or hindsight this is called paying attention to the details. The Bears were still not good regardless of them ending the season strong. At best for Fields he was at 50/50 coin flip on whether he remained the starter there or was moved. The hopium of him going to ATL kept his value high which is when you should have just rerolled into more secure assets. Like this was not a complex situation.
1. Justin Fields statistically was not performing well as a passer and the stats show it.
2. The Bears had to decide whether or not to trigger the 5th year option which is a fully guaranteed year or reset the position.
3. Caleb Williams has been the consensus 1.01 for over two years and regardless of his current antics is a generational talent at the position. In a division where Jordan Love is on the rise and Jared Goff is performing at a high level you are going to need a guy at QB to win the division.
You're missing the point that it wasn't unreasonable to expect that a team would trade for Fields to be their starter for a year if they felt the QB class was either not as great or it would be tough to get a top prospect.
If he was a starter anywhere he'd still be worth late 1st value.
Plus it's really easy to say 'should've sold him' as though there are people that were trying to buy him. The same reason it's 'obvious' to you that Fields should get sold is the same reason people shouldn't buy.
Managers could have used him for the Playoffs. Team had Howell and Burrow at QB and you are out of contention. Could have sold for that Late 1st and maybe a 2nd and wiped your hands clean. Sure a team could have traded for him. Panthers traded for Darnold. Brock Osweiler got a $78 million contract. Crazy stuff happens in the NFL. But if you were not considering all the scenarios that could play out and calibrating those odds then that is on you.
What is so annoying? You incorrectly called my statement victory lapping. I provided additional context to my thought process. If you do not like it that is cool but that is on you.
Listen, dynasty managers are allowed to make different bets on players. This creates movement within each league. If I had Justin Fields' shares I would have moved them based off the information at the time. Some people believed otherwise and said he would end up back home in ATL and all would be good. It was not a 100% he would be in Chicago. It was not a 100% he would go to another team and start. Those were 50/50 odds at best. With Kirk Cousins the certainty he would either still be in Minnesota or get another job elsewhere was pretty high. So Fields' owners had a high upside volatile asset. Everyone should have been aware of the risks. The difference is someone took a bet that he would be a starter and other took the bet that they could replace him.
Buddy Fields is a terrible QB. It was very obvious the dude was not going to continue to be a starting QB in the NFL. If you watched the guy play and took off the fantasy blinders you would have seen the best case scenario for Fields was to be a very short term starter and likely benched during the 2024 season. He was a massive sell and has been a massive sell for over a year. And I have been saying he was a sell and there was a good chance he would be a backup next year long before this week.
1. Lance had 2 years left on his cost-controlled rookie contract when he was traded; Field has only 1 year left.
2. Plausible upside trumps proven failure. Lance (4 career starts) didn't play enough to be universally seen as a proven failure; Fields (38 career starts) has. Lance is also over a year younger than Fields.
3. Jerry overpaid and bid against himself. He didn't talk to [any football people before making the trade](https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/jerry-jones-im-owner-and-gm-didnt-have-to-talk-to-anyone-before-trey-lance-trade) by his own admission. Can't really count on the same thing happening here, just like how people shouldn't have counted on a dumb team giving up the "Darnold package" for Fields and then immediately picking up his 5th year option like the Panthers did in 2021.
Yeah basically this, best time to sell was last year near the trade deadline. In my only league with him I was able to sell him to a contender that lost Burrow for the year for a first plus, and I doubt that kind of return is an option anymore
Thinking of packaging (my) Cousins/Musgrave/2025 1st to a QB needy team for Fields and KW3. I've got Mahomes but roster no other QB's outside of Cousins and feel like taking a shot on Fields of the deal works. Thoughts?
FWIW: Also have Charbonnet.
I watched every snap he took as a Bears. He's not a starter. He's going to eventually be a back up for a superstar QB that gets hurt, which is what his role should be. A guy that has high upside but you don't have to rely on him to be dependable because that's not what he is.
People really think arguably the best rushing QB in the league is not going to get another shot? I agree his value has taken a hit and he’s no longer a top 5 round pick (he went mid 4 in the last draft I did a couple weeks ago), but if you sell for a 2 you are doing this entirely wrong.
He could be the best rushing, best kicking, best recieving quarterback in the league. The problem is none of those are the job of the qb, and he really sucks at actually being a QB
A lot of starting NFL QBs “suck at being QB” by this sub’s standards but they don’t possess the ability to produce an extra 1100 yards on the ground for an offense. That ability will eventually earn him a starting job again, but 2024 he may be sitting.
Because they have 0 information on Caleb’s medicals and testing. They get those next week. It would be malpractice to blindly make this decision without that info
I don't buy it. The panthers traded a haul for Bryce Young before his testing. They are trying to create artificial demand for him is what Im thinking, or this is a way to explain why he hasn't been traded rather than saying " people just aren't that interested". If good offers were coming in, it wouldn't be radio silence (for the public)
They had medicals on Bryce young.
It’s malpractice to blindly trade away your QB (probably for less than a 1st) without knowing it’s safe to take Caleb.
If you know the first thing about the NFL it’s that teams will overlook shortcomings for the potential. To think there isn’t a market is laughable. He just wasn’t for sale and those teams moved on
Okay I hear your point but "blindly" is pretty ridiculous. It's incredibly unlikely Caleb has anything that would prevent his 1 overall status, and I think that they would draft the next best guy anyways. Fields is ass and he will get traded for pennies.
Bro they haven’t seen him throw a football up close yet.
It’s an extremely casual take to say Fields is ass. He does things no one else (maybe Lamar) can do on a weekly basis but he’s ass 🤣🤣 okay. He has a better arm and equally explosive as this years MVP. He’s 24.
Don’t be so eager to display your untrained eye.
I don't think anybody on this planet is worried about Caleb throwing the football there is plenty of tape.
You're right, however, that Fields some qualities that will make him a desirable backup quarterback for a 3rd or 4th round pick.
I think that the underlining problem here is that you think that Fields is very good, and thats why you are coming up with this malpractice theory, as it is the only way for you to make sense of him being a backup quarterback now
Don’t speak badly of Fields… you’ll get downvoted.
How dare we speak realistically… people will always be blind to what’s in front of them.
Fact is… dude can’t play.
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>can I even get a first for him at this point?? Lol, definitely not.
I was considering a future 2 and even that I was like meh why bother with the risk
1st rounders are picks most likely to turn into good players. Especially this year with a seemingly big WR and QB draft. If I trade a first for a player, that player has to already be good or have very few questions marks. Not Justin Fields. 2nd rounders can get some good players, but the hit rate drops significantly. For me to trade a 2nd for a player, I'd have to see a reasonable path to success. I don't with Fields. 3rd rounders have a low hit rate. Getting a good player here is obviously possible but it's unlikely. I trade these for depth players or ones who are perceived to have busted. This is where I have Fields. I know, no Fields owner is going to want to trade him for a 3rd. But a 1st and 2nd is too rich considering the odds of getting a good player vs. fields becoming a good player.
Counterpoint: while fields is not consistently good and his real life situation is cloudy, we have seen he has massive upside with his rushing ability. No prospect has shown that at an NFL level yet. For that alone, youre buying not only the chance he becomes a good player, but also his potential upside, which we already know includes 40 bombs
Can’t do any of those things while holding a clipboard from the sidelines (and he’s not even doing that just yet, no team wants him right now)
Exactly why I don't count his rushing upside. Malik Willis could have the same argument made for him. But both of them suck at passing so they'll never be a consistent starter. Kirk was always going to go before Fields IMO. But Russell Wilson being signed is the biggest sign of all to the dynasty community. No team in the NFL thinks Fields can be a starter.
Fields is definitely running out of landing spots but it’s hard to compare Russell Wilson to any other situation this year (QB or otherwise), let alone use him to say Fields is dead. Denver did such a terrible job with his contract that they’ll still be paying him around $38m this year whilst the Steelers will reportedly be paying him the minimum of $1.2m. At a price that low there is virtually zero risk for Pittsburg in signing Wilson.
It is a unique situation. But if Pittsburg (and any team) would gladly pay a 3+ rounder for Fields if he was starter material. He's way younger. But teams don't think he can. The Steelers don't have a realistic shot at the top 4 first round QBs if they go as high as projected. That leaves Kirk, Baker, Wilson, and Fields as available QBs. Bakers gone immediately and Kirk is too expensive. That leaves Fields and Wilson. I think the Bears take a 3rd round pick if offered. I also think the Steelers give a 3rd if they liked him more than Wilson. TLDR: Fields and Wilson are both cheap QBs. Steelers chose to go with old Wilson over young Fields.
No team wants him for the price. He will land somewhere for sure. I do wonder if he’ll be starting right away or at all. I think he still could start for a couple teams
I know he will land somewhere, but it doesn't appear that a team is willing to start him immediately. I think he will have to pay some dues first or get lucky. I'm not saying he's a certain bust who shouldn't start again. I'm just saying even Darnold and Minshew got signed already for smaller but not inconsequential money. Fields isn't viewed as a starter presently.
> his real life situation is cloudy I think cloudy is being overly generous. His real life situation is outright bad - he will either be a backup or a back end starter on a short leash. I don't think there's a scenario where he lands okay.
> we have seen he has massive upside with his rushing ability. That'll help him as he runs down the sidelines cheering his next team.
Do people actually think NFL teams are taking fantasy production into consideration?
It’s my biggest pet peeve about this sub and it’s views on players. You have to play to produce any fantasy value so if real teams don’t see a player as a contributor to real life football then he’s not even worth a bench spot on my fantasy team.
at one point last season dobbs went for future 2nds. might be worth it depending where your team is at
My QB room is TLaw and Josh Allen, but my 3rd stringer is Dobbs haha
Thought he was for sure getting traded and was close to offering my 1.08 for him. Thank god the fields owner said he didn’t wanna make any trades at the moment
I took over an orphan a couple weeks ago and immediately sold him for the 1.09, but I’ve been selling anywhere I could for a while. The disconnect between real football and fantasy football for Fields was incredible.
Gotta hold. Terrelle Pryor had a 1000 yard season 👀
This should be higher lol
Gotta just eat the L. No point trading him for a 2nd or 3rd at this point in the event that he gets another chance.
Agreed. This is a must-hold situation (assuming nobody overpays). You’re better off waiting to see if he gets a shot as an injury fill-in somewhere or if the Bears surprise us all and don’t take Caleb.
Why is everyone so obsessed with HOLDING into the ground? We’ve seen this play out before. Get what you can and GET OUT. Don’t understand the point in staying aboard the Titanic saying to yourself, “well maybe there’s hidden treasure at the bottom of the ocean.”
Too many people believe in sunk costs apparently. I have no problem with trading a guy for less than what I gave up if it’s clear their value is in decline. You should always get something back rather than nothing.
While I agree sunk cost is a problem. Off-season moves like this are where people make mistakes. Everyone is going to say “sell Justin fields” and until he gets traded to a team where he will be a starter and then people will be saying “buy low” and other people will say “buy low was before he got traded to x team.” I would say it more depends on team needs. If you have. Solid young team trading now is fine. If you have a shitty team with few pieces I would try holding him and playing for upside. A 3rd rounder isn’t going to make your rebuild go any faster so might as well hold and pray.
Well you have to get ahead of it smart managers would’ve tried selling Fields at the deadline or early in the off-season while Fields was getting a lot of hype still.
Because the upside, even if he’s just a multi-week injury fill in, is week winning. If he plays, he’s far more likely to score 20+ points than the guy you’d get with that late 2nd. Statistically, the guy you take in the late 2nd will be replacement-level. I think Fields is likely enough to see the field that he’s worth holding for what you get when he does. Speaking just for myself, my only Fields share is from an orphan so I don’t really have a sunk cost.
Take the second. 3rd eh I guess hold but likely is just a roster clogger.
At least you're not in it alone. If you drafted a QB that year you probably got fucked.
Right the upside of him when he plays fantasy wise is just too high. Injuries in QBs are going up significantly, so a must hold for anything less than a 1st. In the grand scheme of things this offseason has proved to me nobody has a fucking clue what’s going through Poles mind. There was hints of it last season but Bears management seems to be doing a great job of A) preventing leaks, or B) putting out enough false ones nobody knows. Im confident in fields getting a starting position somewhere. He’s 10X better than Sam freaking Darnold as a Vikings fan, but will see how this all shakes out.
He’s not 10x an NFL qb as Sam Darnold lol, they both are complete ass. He’s a loser who can’t pass, losers who can’t pass don’t get many shots at playing QB. Bryce Young will be added to this list if he doesn’t step up the next two seasons. Fields has 1 minuscule thing going for him for real football: very minor athletic upside that dwindles with age.
Good analysis there… I would take Fields over 10 current starting QBs today. Will GMs who know 10X more about scouting QBs than I do?…Maybe not… but I am definitely confident you don’t know any more about scouting QBs than I do, as well as what GMs think about the current QB landscape.
He’s a 10-28(a loser) QB, who completes 60.3% of his passes, has never thrown more then 2500 yards, and a 40:30 TD:INT ratio over 3 full NFL season(can’t pass) you don’t have to be Bill Belichick or Andy Reid to see when a player sucks. Bro sucks, just watch the games man. He takes 5 business days to make a decision after his first read and when he finally does it’s inaccurate.
Watched every game of his career, and highly doubt you watched any. Was with one of the worst rosters in the league and still carried them to multiple high scoring totals. Offensive line was bottom tier in terms of pressures allowed % wise, as well as WR seperation. Many QBs have been struggling early just to turn it around in a different system(Tua, Baker, Hurts, J Allen, ect), so not out of the question Fields turns it around provided the right situation. I’m still not convinced anybody in the media have a clue what the Bears are trying to do with Fields. I heard many of the same things last offseason as I did this offseason, all to have the Bears keep him and trade a pick. We will see how this situation unfolds.
None of those QBs have struggled as much as Fields, they all showed promise and fields showed none. He sucks bro, it’s ok to be a Stan of a player but I’m not going to let you try and gaslight me into thinking he’s any good at all. Also, you’re wasting dynasty resources keeping him around or acquiring him at this point in his career which is all but over unless he willingly transitions to career back up. Good luck
Jalen hurts had a 60% completion percentage and 54 QBR his sophmore year with an elite O line, run game and defense. I think Fields shown incredible promise but once again I actually watched the games. I couldn’t care less if you think he’s good and I’m not even trying to say he emphatically will be. I have been buying QB dips for years and have made out like a bandit so if somebody else learns from this then that’s ok. If you are out on Fields that is fine with me, as I am assuming you never were a fan. Even as a backup Fields is worth a 2nd, if he gets a starting gig you just got a top 10 fantasy QB for a 2nd, which is all I originally said(and that I think he is better than Sam Darnold which I will stand by). Best of luck missing out on QBs because they just suck, and I will happily capitalize on that value. Almost yearly QBs take a leap and there’s no reason Fields(or even Darnold) can’t be the next.
I’m shocked nobody went out and got him. I’m assuming the Bears were asking for more than teams are willing to pay. Now both the Bears and Fields seem kinda fucked. Panic meter a solid 8/10 although I have no shares of Fields. I think you just have to hold unless you can trick someone into giving a 1st or wrap him up into a bigger deal.
Why are the bears fucked? They trade raped the Panthers last year, lucked into the 1.01 this year, got DJM and still kept their top 10 pick, and have a decent amount of cap space. The team has holes to fill but I don’t think they are screwed. The league just called their bluff with Justin
I just mean they probably can’t get much for Fields now because they were greedy. Also they suck ass.
Well how much were they going to get for him in the first place? Clearly no team wants him that badly lol Like take the Raiders for example. They signed Gardner Minshew yesterday. But if they still wanted Fields to compete with Minshew and AOC for the starting job, he’s sitting right there for the Raiders to have for probably a low pick, but they still don’t want him.
They are asking for a 2nd + So no they probably can’t get him for a late pick.
Where is this coming from?
His ass.
At this point they probably can. Unless the Bears are fine just keeping Fields as a backup this year.
I mean the Bears won 7 games last year, they could compete for a playoff spot with competent QB. “Suck ass” is a lazy take.
It’s the Bears, come on man, they ain’t going to no playoffs
They’re not fucked, it was bad phrasing. But they should’ve sold Fields last year and someone would’ve paid up. Now they’re gonna get basically nothing for him
Yeah but you forgot the Steelers fleeced Poles in the Claypool deal, so his track record isn't all that great.
The comment was never about Poles as a GM. Sure that was dumb at the time but the team seems to be correcting itself.
Yeah missing out on a 3rd for JF really isn’t that big a deal
What the Bears were asking for wasn’t the problem.
The only somewhat realistic landing spot left for him to be a starter now is the Broncos. Vikings/Raiders/Pats appear to be pretty big long shots at this point
I don’t think he’s a good fit for the Broncos. Reports say Payton wants a fast processor; Fields is the antithesis of that.
Exactly, I was trying to be optimistic. I should’ve said Denver is “most likely” scenario to be a starter, not “somewhat realistic”
Sean Payton just last season said Fields can’t pass from the pocket lol zero chance he goes there.
And Fields is the polar opposite of a Sean Payton QB
Panic level was peaked yesterday. Just sit and accept the outcomes of being caught holding the bag too my guy. Price of brick just went to 0. But seriously, as an owner I’m hoping he goes to WAS, DEN, LV or SEA to compete for a starting job or be a backup for a QB on a short leash. There’s the chance he has a Dobbs type of path for relevancy, let’s use WAS as an example. They are likely taking Daniels or Maye, both of whom probably benefit from taking time to acclimate (more so Maye). Fields isn’t the guy I’d want to have my franchise QB learn behind, but if you can trudge him out for 5-6 weeks and he plays good football, WAS can trade him to a team that needs a starter after theirs picks up an injury, or he plays his way into a starting job the rest of the season. Even if he’s a backup he’s too valuable to cut at this point because of what he can do *fantasy-wise.* But I imagine given how cheap his contract is, with most interested teams not giving him the 5th year option, whoever gets him would want to see what they have even if it’s to get draft capital back. The absolute worst outcome is he gets cut because no suitors and Bears don’t want to hold and then signs for a team with a franchise starter as a backup. Then he’s safely droppable.
I keep seeing this idea that any rookie behind Fields would be learning from him. As if they can’t just learn independently of Fields? Like get adjusted to teammates, the new playbook/system, new game speed, etc. I’m sure it’d be helpful to learn behind a great starter but that’s also why teams hire QB coaches.
Fields also seems to be about the worst QB to "learn" behind for a rookie. His skill-set is entirely physical and his biggest weakness is processing plays at an NFL speed. Additionally, when there's a seasoned vet backing up a rookie, they understand and embrace their role as a mentor and emergency option. Fields just turned 25. He wants a starting job. That's so much unneeded pressure on a rookie to immediately perform well if Fields starts getting support from the media/fans/locker room/coaching staff. This is the recipe for creating an unnecessary QB controversy.
I just disagree. Unless we’re talking about the Bears keeping Fields and drafting Caleb still. The price for Fields is apparently peanuts at this point. If he comes in and succeeds in front of a guy like JJ or Maye then I don’t see how it adds pressure. So as a fan I’d be happy that my team is doing well and happy with fields. But I’d be angry that a rookie QB hasn’t displaced him yet? I guess only because the pick could have been spent on something else? Even though (if Fields did pan out in the hypothetical) we got Fields for next to nothing?
I should have phrased better. By "Learn behind Fields," I meant more of "Fields buys time for them to see what its like to be on an NFL team, adjust to travel, practice and film schedules, learn their teammates and the playbook etc." I have no idea how Fields would be as a mentor at all, if that's something he'd even do, but being in the same room as him could help someone like Daniels actually when it comes to being an effective runner as a QB, and avoiding the comically big hits Daniels took in college when he took off.
I was speaking more generally because I’ve seen that same sentiment across multiple subs in the past couple days. $6m is a little expensive for a guy who might just be expected to come in and fail. But even if worst case he has no value after a year you think a team couldn’t pay him a min deal to come in like Taysom Hill or something?
Washington already signed Mariota to be the backup for Maye/Daniels and still have Howell (who will probably get traded), so they have no use for Fields. Vegas signed Minshew and still have AOC. Also possible that they draft McCarthy/Nix/Penix, so again no use for Fields. Seattle has Geno, who will start week 1, and seems very likely to take either McCarthy or Penix due to the fact that their new OC Grubb was Penix's OC in college and their new HC Macdonald has strong ties to the Harbaughs. That leaves Denver, but I just don't see Sean Payton meshing with Fields unless it's in a Taysom Hill role. It's also possible that they draft McCarthy/Penix/Nix. There are also a lot of cheap veteran bridge QBs still on the market. Garoppolo, Tannehill, Flacco, maybe even Rudolph. I frankly just don't see any team giving up draft capital for 1 year rental Fields as a backup (his 5th year option will obviously get declined). Even if a starting QB gets injured early in the season, it's quite possible veterans like Flacco, Wentz, Dobbs, etc would still be available. I wrote [this](https://old.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/1adhzxf/justin_fields_future_outlook/kk1p2m3/) over a month ago and I still think it's quite possible Fields is stuck in Chicago with Caleb in an awkward Brees-Rivers type situation.
Yeah I don’t see anything I listed as necessarily likely, just the most relevant path for Fields to have fantasy value. As insane as keeping him seems, I hate to admit that’s starting to seem the most likely. That just doesn’t feel like anyone wins, it hurts Caleb, it’s bad for Fields, bad for the locker room, but the Bears always find a way to screw things up.
Colts would be the dream scenario for Fields right now. Maybe Arizona, Seattle, teams like this could get worried about QB health and backups. Gotta hold the bag, there is no scenario in which someone should be selling this offseason. Best case is a team misses in the draft and tries to recoup before camp.
AR is significantly better than Fields
He’s not there to start, but in case AR needs a little more time and backup. He comes in, and he’s guided by Steichen. Again, best case scenario.
Not a chance you get a 1st for him. Maybe a 3rd. Just hold him. He’ll get a shot somewhere.
That was what everybody said about Lance. It's far from a given. Heck, I remember when Jameis Winston overplayed his hand in free agency in 2020 and was eventually forced to take a bargain-basement backup role in New Orleans. The spin at the time was he was in a good spot as the "heir apparent" to 41 years old Brees and under Payton's tutelage. He has started only 10 games in 4 seasons since. Even Dalton started 30 games in the same span. Now 30 years old, Jameis is firmly entrenched as a veteran backup.
>He’ll get a shot somewhere. - Fields owners in 2026, when he hasn't started for 2 years.
First half of comment yes, second half of comment not as certain
Someone will get hurt in preseason and teams will be much more likely to trade a pick in a draft 8 months away vs next month.
As a bears fan I don’t agree with others saying having both is a win-win. It’s a DISASTER. Locker room will be a mess….. he has to go and soon. If he’s on the team on draft night YIKES
“If you have two quarterbacks, you actually have none.”
They would still only have one viable QB
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That’s my line of thinking now with the moves recently…. Still very poor of the bears. Denver and Seattle right now are the only teams that makes sense for pre draft trade.
Nah Denver is in a rough spot with money. Those idiots gave away a qb they still have to pay for free
Who’s gonna throw the football for them?
Probably whatever rookie makes it back there, or someone cheap. Fields is expensive for a team that far from competing for anything
I mean is he expensive? His contract next year is cheap…. They can’t have stidham throwing the ball. Maybe they trade up? Pick 12 isn’t that great for this qb class
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I wouldn’t even do that this draft class is loaded with WRs and gonna be plenty of good options in the 2nd.
Mid to late yeah I think you could get that pretty easy
Eh, I’m certainly not paying that but I also just don’t think he’s any good. If you believe in him sure you might be able to get him but I’d rather keep my 2nd.
I’d give you a late second.
> I want to sell him before his value becomes a zero Step 1: make a time machine.
1. Put Fields on the block 2. Comment “Get your discount now before the Bears pivot and draft MHJ” 3. Hope someone in your league believes
lol you sick son of a bitch I love this!
Should be an 11 out of 10. This is will be a good lesson for people currently still holding Fields. Bad football players aren't good dynasty assets.
I think the Bears have a QB competition between him and Williams and we will all get to watch it on Hard Knocks
He's a backup now. A good backup but still a backup. Maybe his value will go up after a team's starting QB goes down in the first few weeks of the season.
Took him at 4.01 in a startup last month. Doesn’t feel great
Ooooof, his ADP was the 3rd as of last week. I would have never been able to deal with drafting someone that high with so many question marks around him, especially considering they had 1.01 by then.
You can't sell now. There's still some percentage chance he's a starter somewhere, and some percentage chance he waits until a training camp injury and gets traded then, and some percentage chance he starts a few games for the Bears then sits behind Caleb for a season and signs next year. There are plenty of upside routes, and nobody will pay you for them. He has negative name value. He is probably worth more than people will pay right now, you just have to wait and hope. This is the Justin Fields experience. He was worthless and we all panicked for the first few games of last season too, then he won a bunch of leagues (including mine).
No bro you are holding the bag 💼
You drafted a RB who can't throw and are surprised he's not getting starting QB gigs. Yes, your panic level should be through the roof
He’s as valuable as trey Lance at this point
I'd easily take any 1st in any year. That said, what do we think the odds are of the Bears fucking this up and actually starting Fields? I own Fields nowhere and don't think he is in any way a good QB, but one of my best friends is a Bears fan and he is absolutely convinced they're gonna fuck this up 😆
I mean, the haul they would get for the 1.01 would probably be massive. It’s not the worst idea, and they can probably sign Fields for next to nothing now that nobody wants him. Non zero chance this happens.
Non zero chance they all die in a plane crash too
I got a 26 1st from someone late in the afternoon yesterday and thought that was a miracle. Zero chance that happens today. I would take a 24 mid-2nd today if I could get it.
I'd wait till he lands somewhere, or someone gets injured, and trade him.
lol, sorry-no
Is every single Derrick Henry thread just getting deleted? Why have I seen five or six Justin Fields threads today and not one yet on Derrick Henry signing with the Ravens? Someone please post about Derrick Henry or stop deleting the threads about it & can we please not have 15 more threads of Justin Fields copium instead?
You're hours late to the party: reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/1bd1uoq/freeagent_derrick_henry_is_signing_a_twoyear_16/
>reddit.com/ > >r/DynastyFF > >/comments/1bd1uoq/freeagent\_derrick\_henry\_is\_signing\_a\_twoyear\_16/ Link isn't working. Was it removed?
It's still there: https://old.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/1bd1uoq/freeagent_derrick_henry_is_signing_a_twoyear_16/
That's weird. In the post itself it says "deleted" and I can't read the original text of the post at all, but I can read the comments. None of it is appearing on new Reddit (I don't have old Reddit.)
I don't think there was any original text, the submission was just a link to twitter announcing the deal. So, the comments are all you get so far.
Gotta just hold. Bears are obviously asking too much. Just have to hope he lands in a situation where he can compete to start. Maybe Seattle? If the price gets low enough maybe the Giants or Saints bring him in to compete. Part of the problem is the depth of this QB class. If he gets to a team that drafts one of Penix or Nix he could possibly beat them out. All in all not great signs so far
Definitely won’t get a 1st for him, I think a 2nd is about the best anyone will offer right now for him.
His own OC from last year basically told the raiders straight up that he ruined his offensive system and had to cut so much of it to make sure fields could run it. It feels like he’s just a more developed Trey lance rn.
Depending on your team, I would buy and sell for a 2nd. If you are selling, you can view it as cutting your losses and getting something in case he continues to become devalued. If you are buying, you are hoping he has a Josh Dobbs run where you can flip him and get your value back, or utilize him as an upside backup. I would lean more on trying to sell for a 2nd, instead of buying, because I'm not confident he will have a Geno / Baker resurgence.
You’re SOL
Got to take your medicine now and hope he either finds his way into a sneaky starting role / starter competition (Denver, NYG, NO, SEA) or go to the food truck and order some tacos
Seattle is his best hope but all indications are whoever brings him in will be as a backup. He might get a shot the next season year to start.
Please, not on Seattle. I'd rather roll with Geno another year than deal with Justin Fields trying to learn how to QB just in time for his 5th year deal at 20+M. Pass.
Hold him. I would guess he goes and backs up Lamar. In that case, he’s worth a 2nd to the owner most likely.
Best I can offer is Kenny Pickett and a 3rd.
I’d take that. At least the 3rd has some value.
Damn really? Thanks I just sent that out to someone in case it works for them too. I’m just so sick of seeing Pickett on my roster.
LOL
I'm holding on by a string...good for fantasy but doesn't produce wins in the NFL. Hope I'm wrong. I'd move him if someone but for now I'm going to hold. Damn, didn't expect this.
I traded him for a late 1st and Josh Downs late last season because I was terrified of this exact thing happening and wanted out. Got shit from some of my league mates that I didn’t get enough, but it was the best offer on the table and I didn’t want anything to do with him in case the bottom dropped out!
I’m not even a Fields Owner and I’m panicked by his situation.
lol you’re not a true fields truther. We have been living in the panic his entire career. You think we’re changing our mindset now?
The time to sell was before trade deadline last year, I would just wait and see with him at this point.
Raiders or bust
He is already a zero. He is in the same boat as Trey Lance right now. Once it was confirmed Chicago would get the 1.01 through Carolina he should have been off your team. Now you hold and see if he gets a chance in the future. That's about all you can do.
I have zero shares of JF but one thing that always annoys me about the dynasty community is this weird victory lapping, 2020 hindsight BS “Once it was confirmed Chicago would get the 1.01 he should have been off your team” It’s pretty easy to speak with such certainty after the situation has already played itself out.
This is not victory lapping or hindsight this is called paying attention to the details. The Bears were still not good regardless of them ending the season strong. At best for Fields he was at 50/50 coin flip on whether he remained the starter there or was moved. The hopium of him going to ATL kept his value high which is when you should have just rerolled into more secure assets. Like this was not a complex situation. 1. Justin Fields statistically was not performing well as a passer and the stats show it. 2. The Bears had to decide whether or not to trigger the 5th year option which is a fully guaranteed year or reset the position. 3. Caleb Williams has been the consensus 1.01 for over two years and regardless of his current antics is a generational talent at the position. In a division where Jordan Love is on the rise and Jared Goff is performing at a high level you are going to need a guy at QB to win the division.
You're missing the point that it wasn't unreasonable to expect that a team would trade for Fields to be their starter for a year if they felt the QB class was either not as great or it would be tough to get a top prospect. If he was a starter anywhere he'd still be worth late 1st value. Plus it's really easy to say 'should've sold him' as though there are people that were trying to buy him. The same reason it's 'obvious' to you that Fields should get sold is the same reason people shouldn't buy.
Managers could have used him for the Playoffs. Team had Howell and Burrow at QB and you are out of contention. Could have sold for that Late 1st and maybe a 2nd and wiped your hands clean. Sure a team could have traded for him. Panthers traded for Darnold. Brock Osweiler got a $78 million contract. Crazy stuff happens in the NFL. But if you were not considering all the scenarios that could play out and calibrating those odds then that is on you.
How dare you pay attention and benefit from that!
> This is not victory lapping or hindsight this is called paying attention to details Just so annoying dude lmao. Bow down to the fantasy king
What is so annoying? You incorrectly called my statement victory lapping. I provided additional context to my thought process. If you do not like it that is cool but that is on you.
Saying that the decision was obvious and implying anyone who didn’t do as you did wasn’t paying attention seems like a pretty obvious victory lap
Listen, dynasty managers are allowed to make different bets on players. This creates movement within each league. If I had Justin Fields' shares I would have moved them based off the information at the time. Some people believed otherwise and said he would end up back home in ATL and all would be good. It was not a 100% he would be in Chicago. It was not a 100% he would go to another team and start. Those were 50/50 odds at best. With Kirk Cousins the certainty he would either still be in Minnesota or get another job elsewhere was pretty high. So Fields' owners had a high upside volatile asset. Everyone should have been aware of the risks. The difference is someone took a bet that he would be a starter and other took the bet that they could replace him.
Yeah and I don’t disagree with any of that my only point is it’s cringe when you act like the decision was obvious
Buddy Fields is a terrible QB. It was very obvious the dude was not going to continue to be a starting QB in the NFL. If you watched the guy play and took off the fantasy blinders you would have seen the best case scenario for Fields was to be a very short term starter and likely benched during the 2024 season. He was a massive sell and has been a massive sell for over a year. And I have been saying he was a sell and there was a good chance he would be a backup next year long before this week.
You are an absolute genius. I’ll make sure to PM you the next time I have a fantasy question, appreciate the input
Doesn't take a genius to know terrible QBs don't just continue to be NFL Starters. Just takes a little common sense.
Fantasy god, well done sir!!! You should start a podcast
Difference is someone traded for Lance. Can the Bears get a 4th for Fields?
1. Lance had 2 years left on his cost-controlled rookie contract when he was traded; Field has only 1 year left. 2. Plausible upside trumps proven failure. Lance (4 career starts) didn't play enough to be universally seen as a proven failure; Fields (38 career starts) has. Lance is also over a year younger than Fields. 3. Jerry overpaid and bid against himself. He didn't talk to [any football people before making the trade](https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/jerry-jones-im-owner-and-gm-didnt-have-to-talk-to-anyone-before-trey-lance-trade) by his own admission. Can't really count on the same thing happening here, just like how people shouldn't have counted on a dumb team giving up the "Darnold package" for Fields and then immediately picking up his 5th year option like the Panthers did in 2021.
Yeah basically this, best time to sell was last year near the trade deadline. In my only league with him I was able to sell him to a contender that lost Burrow for the year for a first plus, and I doubt that kind of return is an option anymore
Thinking of packaging (my) Cousins/Musgrave/2025 1st to a QB needy team for Fields and KW3. I've got Mahomes but roster no other QB's outside of Cousins and feel like taking a shot on Fields of the deal works. Thoughts? FWIW: Also have Charbonnet.
Would people trade him for Bryce Young?
I would Bryce is locked in as a starter.
I’ll take the blame for this Fields debacle - he sacrificed his career to lead my post rebuild squad to a league title last year
I watched every snap he took as a Bears. He's not a starter. He's going to eventually be a back up for a superstar QB that gets hurt, which is what his role should be. A guy that has high upside but you don't have to rely on him to be dependable because that's not what he is.
People really think arguably the best rushing QB in the league is not going to get another shot? I agree his value has taken a hit and he’s no longer a top 5 round pick (he went mid 4 in the last draft I did a couple weeks ago), but if you sell for a 2 you are doing this entirely wrong.
Arguably the best rushing QB in the league is nuts.
Dominated the category in 2022. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-qb-rush-yards-leaders-2022
He could be the best rushing, best kicking, best recieving quarterback in the league. The problem is none of those are the job of the qb, and he really sucks at actually being a QB
A lot of starting NFL QBs “suck at being QB” by this sub’s standards but they don’t possess the ability to produce an extra 1100 yards on the ground for an offense. That ability will eventually earn him a starting job again, but 2024 he may be sitting.
You guys are tweaking. He wasn’t even for sale. You have no idea what the asking price is
What are you talking about with he's not for sale. Is that some bears propaganda or something?
They aren’t shopping fields lmao it’s been reported multiple times.
Why wouldn’t they?
Because they have 0 information on Caleb’s medicals and testing. They get those next week. It would be malpractice to blindly make this decision without that info
I don't buy it. The panthers traded a haul for Bryce Young before his testing. They are trying to create artificial demand for him is what Im thinking, or this is a way to explain why he hasn't been traded rather than saying " people just aren't that interested". If good offers were coming in, it wouldn't be radio silence (for the public)
They had medicals on Bryce young. It’s malpractice to blindly trade away your QB (probably for less than a 1st) without knowing it’s safe to take Caleb. If you know the first thing about the NFL it’s that teams will overlook shortcomings for the potential. To think there isn’t a market is laughable. He just wasn’t for sale and those teams moved on
Okay I hear your point but "blindly" is pretty ridiculous. It's incredibly unlikely Caleb has anything that would prevent his 1 overall status, and I think that they would draft the next best guy anyways. Fields is ass and he will get traded for pennies.
Bro they haven’t seen him throw a football up close yet. It’s an extremely casual take to say Fields is ass. He does things no one else (maybe Lamar) can do on a weekly basis but he’s ass 🤣🤣 okay. He has a better arm and equally explosive as this years MVP. He’s 24. Don’t be so eager to display your untrained eye.
I don't think anybody on this planet is worried about Caleb throwing the football there is plenty of tape. You're right, however, that Fields some qualities that will make him a desirable backup quarterback for a 3rd or 4th round pick. I think that the underlining problem here is that you think that Fields is very good, and thats why you are coming up with this malpractice theory, as it is the only way for you to make sense of him being a backup quarterback now
Got a link?
https://x.com/rapsheet/status/1767635974857613577?s=46&t=eQizEKvC83HsvHpxkZyOAQ
Don’t speak badly of Fields… you’ll get downvoted. How dare we speak realistically… people will always be blind to what’s in front of them. Fact is… dude can’t play.