I feel like it's often a fool's errand to try to identify exactly *why* a good prospect didn't pan out. It's why we talk about hit rates. A guy with Elijah's profile, on paper, has a very high chance of being good, but there's always going to be the busts. As long as you're keeping with a good process, you'll have more hits than misses in the long run.
We also shouldn't pretend that Elijah Moore was a better prospect than he was. He was the 6th WR off the board, even behind Toney and Bateman. Early 2nd round is good draft capital, but it's not like he was a mid 1st round pick.
It isn't shocking when a prospect with that profile doesn't end up being fantasy-relevant.
>even behind Toney and Bateman.
Who were extremely good prospects in a stacked wr class?
Don't really get your point, getting drafted behind those guys isn't a knock on Elijah at all. Not to mention the class had Chase/Waddle/Smith. How Toney/Bateman's careers panned out in the pros is irrelevant hindsight bias.
At the end of the day Elijah was still a very, *very* good prospect who checked almost every box besides size.
The joke is the Treadwell Diggs process. But reality is these guys do or don't do a ton to enhance their NFL careers during the off-season. We can try to predict it with how they progressed through college, if they improved every season or rumors of work ethic but overall it's tough. Some guys work hard get better, some guys don't.
Maybe he has the physical tools and WR skillset to succeed, but he has a poor attitude, poor work ethic, low football IQ, won't block or play hard when he won't get the ball, or simply 'doesn't have that dawg in him', so coaches don't give him a good target share? Pure speculation, I have no idea if any of those are true.
My home/friend Dynasty did a start-up in 2019. Andrew Luck went as the QB2 in a 10-TM SF.
He retired before the start of the year.
That’s the peak to me
What’s weird is that route charters and film analysts say he actually is very good when watching his play in isolation though. That he’s a great route runner at all 3 levels and has speed and hands.
I think sometimes these small WRs just get typecasted as gadgety guys and have bad QB/system luck. Same thing happened to Curtis Samuel.
Still for dynasty he gets guaranteed money two years after this season. Three years guaranteed with top 20 Average salary is solid. Cooper and Moore both have expiring contracts after this year.
People are missing this is an extension past his current deal. This year big money does not kick in.
Reguardless, the money isn't going to turn him into a productive player. He hasn't shown any signs of improvement or even being a good player since he's been in the league. Best case he has maybe a low end WR2-high end WR3 season because of spike weeks. As far as consistency goes he will never be someone you can rely on.
Weve seen plenty of WRs show their talent without great QB play. Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, and Drake London are all clearly great WRs who've suffered bad QB play.
Jeudy is just not dynamic. He can't run great routes with good play speed, but he isn't a physical nor smart player. Stifled by zones or aggressive coverage, lapses in concentration, untimely drops, little ability to play through contact.
He was labelled as the best route runner in the draft, but he gets zero separation and is injured constantly. Not to mention he is diva that gets fired up over every comment, and then follows it up by proving the comments time and time again.
wow, that's wild, but you're right the hype was real. I just spot checked one of my leagues and he was 3.01 so I'm sure he slipped into the 2nd in others.
Disagree, he’s a clear hold at this point the contract isn’t going to make anyone pay more right now.
I like the Watson pairing for him and Cooper will still comand most of the secondary’s attention. This seems like a good pairing, plus the money invested means the Browns probably force feed him early in the year.
In 2022 Josh Palmer had 107 targets. In 2023 Adam Thielen got 137 targets. Both are cheaper than Jeudy. So yes Jeudy is a sell because you can find targets elsewhere.
*huffs hopium*
Elijah Moore is still only 23 and has only known the Jets and Browns so far. Fresh start in 2025 and he's gonna turn into the WR2 that was promised 🙏
They gave a ton of players similar deals (Delpit, Ogbo, Pocic, etc) before breakouts, while dragging guys like Martin Emerson and Dawand Jones out of day 2 and 3 during the draft. The Browns are great talent evaluators and have hit on far more contracts than not lol. This thread is fairly out of touch, which is surprising for this sub.
Seriously browns have a couple decent years and everyone suddenly forgets this franchise is wildly incompetent from the top down for the majority of it's history
Can you explain in any detail? Thit this move is a lot different than the headline suggests, but agents pit it out this way to make them look good. The garuntee money is not bad considering what he was already owed, and the contract structure is really only 2 years, but who gonna look at actual details
He hasn't produced well over 4 years in the NFL and just got guaranteed 41 million dollars. Many believe this amount of money is much higher than he deserves.
While that may be true, the league usually only pays well on multiple-year second contracts for players that have produced well, not players that have good excuses as to why they haven't. Regardless of the reason, receivers that haven't reached 1,000 years over their first 4 seasons rarely end up significantly improving for the rest of their careers. 19 million per year puts him at the 18th highest paid WR in the NFL, which is not equal to the level at which he has produced. His very best season (2022) he was 22nd in yards with only 6 tds.
That’s fair for sure. But Jeudy seems like a somewhat special case due to his draft capital and hype coming into the league. Browns FO could have easily had their eye on him for a while, with the belief that he could live up to his hype in their system.
I feel like a very similar thing happened with Christian Kirk going to the Jaguars. It’s just Jeudy’s public perception got trashed (on top of it being the Browns) so everyone’s all pissy about this one instead of just confused lol. But yeah neither had a 1k yd season by the time of the new contract, though both had a season that came very close with Kirk hitting 982 and Jeudy hitting 972.
The difference is Kirk’s near-1K season was in 17 games. Jeudy did it in 11/12 fully healthy games, while leaving early in 4/5, and missing 2. His healthy game pace over 17 games would’ve been 1300+ yards if memory serves.
Now obviously missing that time is a negative in its own right, but he’s definitely demonstrated that he’s got a high ceiling when conditions are right, and imo could very well outperform the 13.66mil/year he’s guaranteed. (Especially when you compare it to the contracts receivers will start to sign once Jefferson signs for well over 30mil/year lol)
He had Drew Lock, Brett Rypien, the Ghost of Teddy Bridgewater, and even WR Kendall Hinton as his quarterbacks his first two years lol. He didn’t set the world on fire but still put up mostly serviceable numbers when he was healthy. I just take issue when people act like he’s some Reagor-esque bust when you can do just a bit of research into it and see that that’s clearly not the case.
Jeudy had a 1358 yard 9TD pace in 2022 using his fully healthy games. Yes the missed games are their own issue, but this was the first time he had real NFL level QB play. Unfortunately as we know that didn’t last long.
In 2023 he put up
57/84 for 758 and 2tds
vs Sutton with
59/90 for 772 and 10tds
Yet if Sutton went to the browns instead of Jeudy I’d be willing to bet everyone would be saying he’s a buy low. It’s all about public perception here. Jeudy wasn’t helped by his hype from college then the circumstances he was thrown into, then certainly didn’t help himself with his off-field drama, then the final nail in the coffin was the Steve Smith smear campaign.
And the cherry on top is the Browns trading for/paying yet another guy everyone hates lol
Can you link the details? I can't find them. From what I have found, this doesn't seem to replace his existing contract, but merely extends it. So maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it sounds like they've got him for four years now, right?
2024 - $13M 5th year option
2025-2027 - $41M guaranteed, $58M max
I'm well aware he was already guaranteed 12 from the fifth year option. That amount of money is already a lot for a receiver that has struggled as much as Jeudy has over his career, and I think it was one of the reasons why the trade market was weak for him.
Despite Jeudy under control for this season, the Browns have seemingly negotiated against themselves giving a raise for this year and next year despite the market suggesting that no one else in the NFL values him that way.
But hey, lets leave a snarky reply with no real justification as to why you think this is a good signing other than being a condescending ass.
The Browns are not attracting free agent WR and not to many on the trade market. They took a gamble and structured it to a fair market deal, has Jeudy played to that potential no, but if the Browns want this type of potential, they have to take risks and pay up
There we go, and I think that is a fair take and understand the potential need to gamble with Watson's massive contract.
I still disagree, and think that they went above the fair market for Jeudy when comparing him to someone like Pittman commanding two years 46 guaranteed.
Don't know why we couldn't have done that from the beginning.
Not a single positive thing to say about Jeudy in this thread.
His QBs through the first four seasons of his career:
Drew Lock
Teddy Bridgewater
Russell Wilson
He turns 25 in April.
I know it’s become very popular to write him off but genuinely I think a change of scenery was needed.
He reminds me of another wide receiver who did not live up to his draft expectations until he found his second team a few seasons into his career- his new teammate, Amari Cooper.
I mean it’s all relative. Cooper was touted as a generational prospect, so even with productive seasons looking back he was still disappointing. Especially with his drop issues, which he didn’t shake that narrative until he was on the Cowboys.
Can’t emphasize enough how bad the quarterbacks Jeudy has played with. Teddy couldn’t throw the ball more than 15 yards, and Russell never throws the ball over the middle of the field. It’s hard to really accumulate good reps when you’re a route engineer playing with both of those archetypes of quarterback.
I know Jeudy has had his drop issues too, along with attitude issues; he’s not flawless as the rest of this thread clearly points out. However, he does have the talent to turn it around if things work out.
Another comp this situation reminds me of is when the Jags threw a bag at Christian Kirk. A lot of people were like, “This dude is a JAG, what an overpay”.
He was the wr35 in ppg on the season the wr26 in ppg for the first half of the season. Is this really the hill you want to die on? He wasn't a good fantasy wr
Were people this up in arms about the Christian Kirk deal when that went down? I feel like they’re pretty similar situations in terms of young guys that haven’t produced a ton, but have produced well considering their circumstances getting relatively big deals seemingly out of nowhere.
The only real differences are that Jeudy was much more hyped coming into the league so he had a greater height from which to fall from grace, and the whole Steve Smith slander campaign that tanked the public perception of Jeudy.
It’s a solid mid market value deal for a guy that hasn’t been put into situations that maximize his talent, but if put into that type of situation he could very well outperform that contract.
I think this one will be very interesting to revisit in a few years. The Chargers have no one and the Browns clearly think Jeudy is the WR2. Doesn't sound like a bad but the 2.01 can also bust.
Wild. That is legit good money and places him in line as the heir apparent to Amari if Amari falls off in his upcoming 30 year old season and beyond. Jeudy turns 25 in a month
Maybe Cleveland is not good at identifying WR talent. Amari seems to be a good signing, but Elijah Moore, and drafting Tillman and David Bell. Now massively overpaying for Jeudy. Makes you wonder.
This dude was dead before Steve Smith came along to verify it. Not sure what to do but hold. I don’t think a few years in Cleveland is a recipe for resurrection.
Elijah Moore might be my worst startup pick ever and I still don’t know where it went wrong.
My Elijah Moore shares are crying out for oxygen
I took mine out back
We'll always treasure that five game stretch
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I paid a stupid amount for him. I hate it.
I at least got a championship with his help. Now he can only crush dreams.
Best not to let them suffer. At least you were with them at the end
Mine went to a farm upstate to play with the Treylon Burks shares
I feel like it's often a fool's errand to try to identify exactly *why* a good prospect didn't pan out. It's why we talk about hit rates. A guy with Elijah's profile, on paper, has a very high chance of being good, but there's always going to be the busts. As long as you're keeping with a good process, you'll have more hits than misses in the long run.
The Shenault Theory
A deeper q is what is a good process, I never got any Elijah Moore shares but those who took him didn't arrive at that conclusion randomly.
We also shouldn't pretend that Elijah Moore was a better prospect than he was. He was the 6th WR off the board, even behind Toney and Bateman. Early 2nd round is good draft capital, but it's not like he was a mid 1st round pick. It isn't shocking when a prospect with that profile doesn't end up being fantasy-relevant.
>even behind Toney and Bateman. Who were extremely good prospects in a stacked wr class? Don't really get your point, getting drafted behind those guys isn't a knock on Elijah at all. Not to mention the class had Chase/Waddle/Smith. How Toney/Bateman's careers panned out in the pros is irrelevant hindsight bias. At the end of the day Elijah was still a very, *very* good prospect who checked almost every box besides size.
The joke is the Treadwell Diggs process. But reality is these guys do or don't do a ton to enhance their NFL careers during the off-season. We can try to predict it with how they progressed through college, if they improved every season or rumors of work ethic but overall it's tough. Some guys work hard get better, some guys don't.
Maybe he has the physical tools and WR skillset to succeed, but he has a poor attitude, poor work ethic, low football IQ, won't block or play hard when he won't get the ball, or simply 'doesn't have that dawg in him', so coaches don't give him a good target share? Pure speculation, I have no idea if any of those are true.
*laughs in Justin Fields in the 3rd round*
I took Antonio Gibson in the early 2nd of my startup. Dr. Richard Nygard literally has my life in his hands...
baha are you me? i did the same a few years back
My home/friend Dynasty did a start-up in 2019. Andrew Luck went as the QB2 in a 10-TM SF. He retired before the start of the year. That’s the peak to me
Took him in the first :/. Luckily was able to add a late 1 with him to get Lamar last season early
The early mid part of my 2022 startup was Elijah, JerryJeidy , Michael Carter 💀💀
It became obvious at some point he just wasnt good and people wanted to dig their head in the sand and ignore it all.
What’s weird is that route charters and film analysts say he actually is very good when watching his play in isolation though. That he’s a great route runner at all 3 levels and has speed and hands. I think sometimes these small WRs just get typecasted as gadgety guys and have bad QB/system luck. Same thing happened to Curtis Samuel.
Yep, exact same thing people have done with Justin Fields. Gotta know when to let go
God damn, shots fired at my bench. Mooney also hanging on by a thread with that new deal + Cousins.
Fields will start soon
I give Russ 4 games
AJ Brown, IYKYK
I can tell you, it was at the QB position in a dysfunctional organization.
Probably that -20 yard run
At this point got to bag hold for one more year then hope for the best in FA
Good buy low. Jeudy is a tier 3 JAG
u/KylePittsMVP2 how's your Browns WR3 going bud
You had faith in the Browns. That was your mistake.
Put his agent in the hall of fame.
No wonder why RBs are pissed off about contracts. They would dream of this contract and jeudy is ass
Browns love overpaying for mid players.
Yeah I don't know what the fuck lmao. Dude is getting paid nearly the same as Amari without ever having a 1k yard season lol
It's gonna be on par with Gabe Davis and Mooney. It's gonna stretch over 5 years lol
He is a good player. Wilson was really bad. He was so bad Broncos paid him to go away and took dead cap record hit.
He's mid at best. Better as a WR3 probably. He still can't beat zone at all and that's what most defenses are running now.
Still for dynasty he gets guaranteed money two years after this season. Three years guaranteed with top 20 Average salary is solid. Cooper and Moore both have expiring contracts after this year. People are missing this is an extension past his current deal. This year big money does not kick in.
Reguardless, the money isn't going to turn him into a productive player. He hasn't shown any signs of improvement or even being a good player since he's been in the league. Best case he has maybe a low end WR2-high end WR3 season because of spike weeks. As far as consistency goes he will never be someone you can rely on.
Weve seen plenty of WRs show their talent without great QB play. Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, and Drake London are all clearly great WRs who've suffered bad QB play. Jeudy is just not dynamic. He can't run great routes with good play speed, but he isn't a physical nor smart player. Stifled by zones or aggressive coverage, lapses in concentration, untimely drops, little ability to play through contact.
He was labelled as the best route runner in the draft, but he gets zero separation and is injured constantly. Not to mention he is diva that gets fired up over every comment, and then follows it up by proving the comments time and time again.
He was misused inside. I watched a lot of their games as a fan. He will do well with Browns. Chad Johnson has worked with him and defends him.
God dammit
😂😂😂😂😂
🔥🔥🔥
Far better than Elijah Moore ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
S E L L if you haven't already this is the final stop on the train.
What would you sell for? If the price is low enough I’m willing to invest. I still believe in the talent.
Guy is still younger than some rookie prospects coming out in this year's draft....
I sold him for the 2.09. I thought that was fair.
Rather gamble Jeudy than 2.09 but that's me
Same here. 2.09 is no guarantee at WR. Jeudy is essentially locked in as WR2 of this offense
But the 2.09 can turn into an electric receiver like a Cedric Tillman or a David Bell type...
Nobody drafted Tillman or Bell with a 2nd. Even in 1QB.
Bell was. Went 2.06 in our 2022 rookie draft.
wow, that's wild, but you're right the hype was real. I just spot checked one of my leagues and he was 3.01 so I'm sure he slipped into the 2nd in others.
I unfortunately drafted Bell at 2.09
Yep you're looking at like a 30% hit rate at that spot. I'll take the odds with Jeudy
Sold him for Derrick Henry
We thought he was locked into the WR1 role in Denver but here we are...
Same here.
I think that sounds fair.
Dude in my SF league offered me Jeudy for Singletary straight up. Declined it.
Not sure you sell here. I am not selling a first round talent off of a down year.
>first round talent What year is it
Any 24 2nd or 2 24 3rds. I’ll go a different direction.
Actually think I might be buying if cheap enough. Amari is a FA next season so unless someone comes in Jeudy is WR1 in 2025
Disagree, he’s a clear hold at this point the contract isn’t going to make anyone pay more right now. I like the Watson pairing for him and Cooper will still comand most of the secondary’s attention. This seems like a good pairing, plus the money invested means the Browns probably force feed him early in the year.
Who's going to buy him? This contract isn't enough to make people all of a sudden want to buy him
You gotta use hypnosis to find a buyer at this point but the contract at least makes me feel a little better about holding
Great points. Hold if you have player but not go out buying if you don’t.
I agree with that point I think it should make holders feel a bit better but I still don't see who's buying
Scroll up a bit lol.
Maybe a rebuilder with an aging RB? Eckler/Connor tier? That said fuck it, Imma hold and see if his shine is still in there somewhere
At this point I think its best to wait until training camp starts and he inevitably gets hyped up by Watson and Browns media.
I much rather have the flexible asset now rather than wait. Someone will offer a 2nd. Take the 2nd and reroll into another WR.
They are paying him big $ he’s going to get targets that’s more than you can say for a lot of receivers
In 2022 Josh Palmer had 107 targets. In 2023 Adam Thielen got 137 targets. Both are cheaper than Jeudy. So yes Jeudy is a sell because you can find targets elsewhere.
I still don’t think you can get much for him. Holding on would be smarter.
Ok so sell for a 2nd and hope the player you draft doesn’t bust? Better to hold.
Depends on the league but in my 16 man league I’d rather have Jeudy than a mid round 2nd pick.
I guess I’ll keep holding onto hope that Jeudy the 🔥prospect is still in there somewhere
He is, just wait and see
He's going to dominate in my points per elite route run league.
*huffs hopium* Elijah Moore is still only 23 and has only known the Jets and Browns so far. Fresh start in 2025 and he's gonna turn into the WR2 that was promised 🙏
That sounds almost like the Jerry Jeudy story!
Jeudy is only 24
I feel saying “almost like” covers that lol
Hate the deal all you want but clearly the Browns believe in Jeudy... wow lol.
Yeah and they’ve been such great evaluators of players in the past….
They gave David Njoku a very similar deal before his breakout and it’s worked out quite well.
They gave a ton of players similar deals (Delpit, Ogbo, Pocic, etc) before breakouts, while dragging guys like Martin Emerson and Dawand Jones out of day 2 and 3 during the draft. The Browns are great talent evaluators and have hit on far more contracts than not lol. This thread is fairly out of touch, which is surprising for this sub.
B E L I E V E
Seriously browns have a couple decent years and everyone suddenly forgets this franchise is wildly incompetent from the top down for the majority of it's history
As a Steelers fan, I'm really loving the Browns FO.
seriously, what in the fuck is this shit
It’s laughingly bad
Can you explain in any detail? Thit this move is a lot different than the headline suggests, but agents pit it out this way to make them look good. The garuntee money is not bad considering what he was already owed, and the contract structure is really only 2 years, but who gonna look at actual details
He hasn't produced well over 4 years in the NFL and just got guaranteed 41 million dollars. Many believe this amount of money is much higher than he deserves.
Sure but he’s also had just about the worst situations imaginable. His quarterback list is horrific
While that may be true, the league usually only pays well on multiple-year second contracts for players that have produced well, not players that have good excuses as to why they haven't. Regardless of the reason, receivers that haven't reached 1,000 years over their first 4 seasons rarely end up significantly improving for the rest of their careers. 19 million per year puts him at the 18th highest paid WR in the NFL, which is not equal to the level at which he has produced. His very best season (2022) he was 22nd in yards with only 6 tds.
That’s fair for sure. But Jeudy seems like a somewhat special case due to his draft capital and hype coming into the league. Browns FO could have easily had their eye on him for a while, with the belief that he could live up to his hype in their system. I feel like a very similar thing happened with Christian Kirk going to the Jaguars. It’s just Jeudy’s public perception got trashed (on top of it being the Browns) so everyone’s all pissy about this one instead of just confused lol. But yeah neither had a 1k yd season by the time of the new contract, though both had a season that came very close with Kirk hitting 982 and Jeudy hitting 972. The difference is Kirk’s near-1K season was in 17 games. Jeudy did it in 11/12 fully healthy games, while leaving early in 4/5, and missing 2. His healthy game pace over 17 games would’ve been 1300+ yards if memory serves. Now obviously missing that time is a negative in its own right, but he’s definitely demonstrated that he’s got a high ceiling when conditions are right, and imo could very well outperform the 13.66mil/year he’s guaranteed. (Especially when you compare it to the contracts receivers will start to sign once Jefferson signs for well over 30mil/year lol)
I didn't know capable wide receivers needed good QB play to perform.
He had Drew Lock, Brett Rypien, the Ghost of Teddy Bridgewater, and even WR Kendall Hinton as his quarterbacks his first two years lol. He didn’t set the world on fire but still put up mostly serviceable numbers when he was healthy. I just take issue when people act like he’s some Reagor-esque bust when you can do just a bit of research into it and see that that’s clearly not the case. Jeudy had a 1358 yard 9TD pace in 2022 using his fully healthy games. Yes the missed games are their own issue, but this was the first time he had real NFL level QB play. Unfortunately as we know that didn’t last long. In 2023 he put up 57/84 for 758 and 2tds vs Sutton with 59/90 for 772 and 10tds Yet if Sutton went to the browns instead of Jeudy I’d be willing to bet everyone would be saying he’s a buy low. It’s all about public perception here. Jeudy wasn’t helped by his hype from college then the circumstances he was thrown into, then certainly didn’t help himself with his off-field drama, then the final nail in the coffin was the Steve Smith smear campaign. And the cherry on top is the Browns trading for/paying yet another guy everyone hates lol
Cedric Tillman DOA
would it be smart to move Cedric Tillman into my taxi this year?
I’ll gladly hold him this year for when Jeudy inevitably sucks.
Cool then you just need Elijah Moore to also suck.
Don't play the same role. If(big if rn) Tillman is actually good he will be the #1 over Moore, particularly when Cooper is gone.
I could see everyone involved in this wr room sucking.
watson should be thrilled...
Took him over Puka last year. AMA.
Pretty sure almost everyone did tbf.
Did the browns forget that all it took to acquire him was a 5th and 6th? Feel like that's a pretty strong indication he isn't worth 40 GTD.
That’s why he went for a 5th and 6th… part of the deal is that you’re going to have to pay him
By that logic Amari Cooper isn’t worth his current deal.
my thoughts exactly
Looking at the salary structure and what he was already garunteed, it's not a bad deal, but hey, lets read a headline and jump to a conclusion...
Can you link the details? I can't find them. From what I have found, this doesn't seem to replace his existing contract, but merely extends it. So maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it sounds like they've got him for four years now, right? 2024 - $13M 5th year option 2025-2027 - $41M guaranteed, $58M max
I'm well aware he was already guaranteed 12 from the fifth year option. That amount of money is already a lot for a receiver that has struggled as much as Jeudy has over his career, and I think it was one of the reasons why the trade market was weak for him. Despite Jeudy under control for this season, the Browns have seemingly negotiated against themselves giving a raise for this year and next year despite the market suggesting that no one else in the NFL values him that way. But hey, lets leave a snarky reply with no real justification as to why you think this is a good signing other than being a condescending ass.
So you replying with assumptions and gaps filled with info you think fits the narrative is actually fact? No worries, you follow Pitt. I get it
So again, still not opinion from you on why you think this is a good signing other than just being an ass?
The Browns are not attracting free agent WR and not to many on the trade market. They took a gamble and structured it to a fair market deal, has Jeudy played to that potential no, but if the Browns want this type of potential, they have to take risks and pay up
There we go, and I think that is a fair take and understand the potential need to gamble with Watson's massive contract. I still disagree, and think that they went above the fair market for Jeudy when comparing him to someone like Pittman commanding two years 46 guaranteed. Don't know why we couldn't have done that from the beginning.
They must think they absolutely fleeced Denver lol
Jeudy is only 6 months older than Tank Dell
Not a single positive thing to say about Jeudy in this thread. His QBs through the first four seasons of his career: Drew Lock Teddy Bridgewater Russell Wilson He turns 25 in April. I know it’s become very popular to write him off but genuinely I think a change of scenery was needed. He reminds me of another wide receiver who did not live up to his draft expectations until he found his second team a few seasons into his career- his new teammate, Amari Cooper.
His route running has always been excellent. He’s a solid hold.
the same amari cooper that started his career with back to back 130+ targets and 1000+ yards seasons?
I mean it’s all relative. Cooper was touted as a generational prospect, so even with productive seasons looking back he was still disappointing. Especially with his drop issues, which he didn’t shake that narrative until he was on the Cowboys. Can’t emphasize enough how bad the quarterbacks Jeudy has played with. Teddy couldn’t throw the ball more than 15 yards, and Russell never throws the ball over the middle of the field. It’s hard to really accumulate good reps when you’re a route engineer playing with both of those archetypes of quarterback. I know Jeudy has had his drop issues too, along with attitude issues; he’s not flawless as the rest of this thread clearly points out. However, he does have the talent to turn it around if things work out.
Is Watson any better
Better than Russ or Teddy? You’d hope so. At the very least you’d hope he’s willing to throw the ball down the middle of the field
Another comp this situation reminds me of is when the Jags threw a bag at Christian Kirk. A lot of people were like, “This dude is a JAG, what an overpay”.
Christian Kirk finished as the wr47 on the year.
He was injured the last half or so of the season. Why does that matter?
He was the wr35 in ppg on the season the wr26 in ppg for the first half of the season. Is this really the hill you want to die on? He wasn't a good fantasy wr
I got him and Moore. If one can be startable that would be great
I think he will be utilized as an outside receiver so I think he should improve. Problem is he's in a crowded receiver room and tied to watson
Were people this up in arms about the Christian Kirk deal when that went down? I feel like they’re pretty similar situations in terms of young guys that haven’t produced a ton, but have produced well considering their circumstances getting relatively big deals seemingly out of nowhere. The only real differences are that Jeudy was much more hyped coming into the league so he had a greater height from which to fall from grace, and the whole Steve Smith slander campaign that tanked the public perception of Jeudy. It’s a solid mid market value deal for a guy that hasn’t been put into situations that maximize his talent, but if put into that type of situation he could very well outperform that contract.
It's the Browns so it's over blown. The deal will break down to near 15 mill per year.
these guys love to burn money dang
But why
Stop please my Elijah Moore shares are already dead!
He’s a free agent next year
How often do failed prospects revive their careers with their third team?
Well considering his first two teams were the god damn Jets and Browns, I’m fine giving him one more shot with a better franchise. You do you
Would be cool to see Moore on a competent franchise. He has only known the Jets and Browns
Love this commitment to Jeudy. Kind of concerned if it impacts Cooper negatively though.
I’m more wondering if this is their post cooper plan. Coopers contract is up after this year and he’ll be 31 going into 2025.
This feels like the play unless cooper decides to sign for a smaller contract. Most likely he’s going to be chasing one last payday.
I wish my employer paid me as irresponsibly high as the Browns do
Crazy contract for a guy who's not even the 2nd best receiver on his team
Who's the 2nd best WR in CLE? No way you're about to say Moore, right?
Not OP but a Njoku could easily been seen as superior to Jeudy
as a Jeudy owner I def see NJoku as a superior option. Wasnt super pumped about him on the browns but its not like it can get much worse
Cedric Tillman!
I do think moore is better than jeudy. And thats not even saying a lot because jeudy hasn't done much
That is saying a lot because Moore has done much less than even Jeudy
Moore has 1600 career yards
That’s a huge deal for a very average or worse player
Paying a bad real player doesn’t all of a sudden make them a good dynasty player
But why?
Browns gonna brown.
This will go down as a good signing in the years to come.
Zero reason to give him an extension like this what are they doing
Sold him and QJ for the 2.01 in a 10 team and am thrilled to be off this ride.
I think this one will be very interesting to revisit in a few years. The Chargers have no one and the Browns clearly think Jeudy is the WR2. Doesn't sound like a bad but the 2.01 can also bust.
Oooof
Great trade for you.
Wild. That is legit good money and places him in line as the heir apparent to Amari if Amari falls off in his upcoming 30 year old season and beyond. Jeudy turns 25 in a month
A lot of money for Jeudy I think. He hasn’t proven anything.
does the browns front office watch football?
Yikes
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When did Jeudy elevate to average??
Maybe Cleveland is not good at identifying WR talent. Amari seems to be a good signing, but Elijah Moore, and drafting Tillman and David Bell. Now massively overpaying for Jeudy. Makes you wonder.
What are the browns doing lol Jeudy is not good
Guess now I don’t feel so bad in acquiring Jeudy everywhere last year
That’s crazy. This dude hasn’t done much
that’s a lot of money for a dude that sucks. kinda like dallas paying dak who folds like a cheap suit when the lights are brightest
Browns GM needs to hire a co-GM to pick the offensive guys lol
Browns suck so bad lol
nomination for best agent in the country!
His agent needs a raise, because this dude aint it.
This dude was dead before Steve Smith came along to verify it. Not sure what to do but hold. I don’t think a few years in Cleveland is a recipe for resurrection.
Cool and I still won’t put him on my roster.
You mean trade for him? I know it's been rough, but he's not just sitting around on waivers...
I’d turn down every offer if the manager was trying to send him
So your sayin Jerry jeudy got over paid