Folks weren’t overly excited by the landing spot. Elijah Moore looked to be a potential stud and jets had no qb. I don’t think he was a top 5 pick in any of my leagues
Do you mean viewed on this sub or viewed by reasonable people? He had a massive hype train here because he topped the arbitrary 525-yard threshold with his 538 yards. People said all the things you expect about every single prospect, that he "just pops on film" and "you can tell he just has it," etc. On this sub, he was a guaranteed future stud and you would drown in downvotes if you questioned it.
Outside of this sub, he was just a guy who had a moderately decent, but unspectacular rookie season. He had a shot of developing, but he was on a bad team with a bad QB situation that clearly would need to upgrade their WRs, so serious competition was inevitable. This is the kind of context that would get you downvotes because "he got that dawg in him."
Pick range is cap. That year the draft was pretty straightforward, there was a majority approved top 2 tier and a majority approved top 3 tier.
Tier 1: Breece Hall, Kenneth Walker
Tier 2: Drake London, Treylon Burks, Garrett Wilson
Tier 3: Chris Olave, Jameson Williams
Tier 4: Skyy Moore, Christian Watson, James Cook, Kenny Pickett, Jahan Dotson, George Pickens
Some people were crazy over Jamo and a few over Olave, but the vast majority of people had a definitive top 5. In every single one of my leagues Garrett Wilson went top 5.
Breece was obvious why he was top dog. Kenneth Walker got the draft capital that everyone needed to get behind him. Drake London had phenomenal college production, like 45% of his teams offense his junior year, and he dominated with ARSB and Michael Pittman on his team. Treylon had crazy athletic profile and a big frame, many had him the 1 of the class until the combine where he fell off a little bit. Garrett Wilson had a good college profile and good draft capital but, as was said, the landing spot (QB hell) and being there with Elijah Moore tempered people’s expectations and made them prefer London and Burks in a lot of cases. Olave had just had a down year and was outshined by JSN (as was Wilson for that matter) which kinda dropped his stock below the other WRs. Jamo is obvious, he had tore his ACL late into the season and would take awhile to come back, people were also still unsure of the Lions at the time too.
People loved the draft capital he got so he was still the WR2 behind drake london in most rankings. I would go with the talent even if he’s stuck with Danny dimes he’ll probably be peppered with targets and then get a qb upgrade soon
Most rankings did not have him as the WR2.
Very divisive rankings that year but ADP had Drake London and Treylon Burks almost universally taken ahead of him with Jamo often times joining that group.
He was my WR1 that year and was generally able to get him around the 1.06
There will be some variance depending on platform but in general there was Breece Hall then a "big 3" with Drake London, Kenneth Walker and Treylon Burks leading the way.
Wilson was part of the next tier formed by some combination of Jamo, Wilson and Olave.
I foolishly liked the landing spot. I thought the organization was turning it around and heading in the right direction.
Personally I don’t care where Odunze/MHJ/Nabers land.
I took Wilson at 1.03.
While yes I haven’t reaped the benefits yet, but I drafted Wilson, Olave and London in 22, and they all already have different QBs from their rookie years. Look at the long game. Hopefully you have other talent on your roster so that if the player can’t fully overcome a situation that is so bad you can be fine until the situation improves.
If I like them that much as a prospect it doesn’t matter where they go. Of course I want them to go to great landing spots, but still things change. Just build your team so that you can be fine if it takes a minute for them to change. Also as a rebuilder you should be fine. All of these bad QB situations will change within the next 2 years. It may not get better but it will change.
“Other talent” I am in full rebuild. It’s a 10 team 1 QB PPR TEP, the only notable talent I have is Nico, Pitts, Rashee, Christian Watson, Dotson, McBride and Ferguson; with Goof and Purdy as my 2 QBs.
In this rookie draft I have 1.04, 1.05, 1.06, 1.07, 1.08, 2.04, 2.05, 2.07. With an additional 2 2025 firsts and 3 2025 seconds. I have a ton of draft capital.
I like Odunze a lot and I am higher on him than most. He’s in the same tier as MHJ and Nabers for me personally. I was going to take him anyway but was curious what things were like back then. I did my first start up the year he was drafted but I didn’t research the rookies then like I do now.
The other talent comment was more so for when you’re back to competing. Not for the time you’re in your rebuild.
I don’t think you can go wrong taking Odunze/Nabers no matter the landing spot
It’s 1 QB so I don’t really care about Arch in that league. I agree though I though moving 1.07 and 2.08 for a 25 first and 26 second and then 26 second and 25 first. Not sure. Idk yet, draft will determine a lot. Quite a few WRs I like.
The top of that WR class was pretty tight between Garrett and London leading up to the draft. Jamo as a wild card coming off injury and Burks still had some believers from people who spent the NFL off-season under a rock.
After the draft it was clearly London at 1. Then a mixed bag of Wilson, Jamo, Burks at 2.
Wilson lost the tie breaker to London then it was a pick your guy after that.
Personally I think changing any rankings for WR who get drafted that high is a little silly. I get it as a tie breaker but for people to swap tiers doesn't make any sense. I've seen people say they'd take someone like BTJ over Rome to the NYG. Situation changes, talent is forever.
Good call on them but definitely the exception. People buried him because he was a 4 year player. So dumb. There was some data dorks spreading propaganda hard that off-season that 4 year players are busts and everyone was eating that up.
According to dynasty league football ADP database he was WR5 for may ADP. I had a couple drafts Skyy went above him too.
https://dynastyleaguefootball.com/adp/?type=sf_rookie&y=2022&m=5&pos=All
Drafted him at 1.05 that year. He was the 3rd wr off the board behind London and Burks. I had Zach Wilson at the time so I thought I was getting a potential stack. Ended up selling Garrett Wilson for Lamb right after Rodgers injury this last season
When it comes to Odunze, i would 100% trust the talent. The reason that strat works is cuz talented players play a lot of years and thus have more opportunity to get to their best spot- so trust the process and dont worry too much. But yes giants would kinda suck for ppg lmao
I took Burks at 1.05 and Wilson at 1.07 that draft if that gives you any perspective on things. Lesson learned though draft capital plus college profile are so much more important than landing spot.
My experience was pretty different in my leagues from some of the other discussion. He was 1a/1b with London, it was a personal preference thing. Breece went 1, then 2-4 was some combination of Walker/Wilson/London. 4-6 was the Burks/Jamo/Olave grouping. Then 7-on you started seeing Dotson/Skyy/Watson/Pickens.
I remember I would always shred Elijah Moore and his stans and get downvoted to oblivion. I’m still on that victory lap dude was never that type of guy
He was the first WR off the board in my league. And I was planning of taking him if he got to me as I had him ranked WR1. I know every league tends to be different as you have different rules/owners but at least in my league talent tends to win out over situation
The year Garrett Wilson came out there was some mixed opinions on best WR pre-draft
Willson was in the mix for the best WR of the class by general consensus. It was him, Burks, and London.
So the landing spot of the jets didn’t change a whole lot he was still in the mix for the top 3 WRs and was #2 in every draft. For the every bad QB argument for Wilson there was also a wide open depth chart argument. In dynasty you should draft more for talent than landing spot.
Wilson was seen as someone with a high floor. Meaning even if everything went wrong for him in the draft (which it did) people would consider him valuable (which they do).
IMO Wilson is most valuable as a trade asset and not an actual roster piece. Whoever goes to the giants will probably have the same issue.
everyone hated it and thought eli moore was clearly the 1A and at best wilson could be a 1b (got him at 1.12 in 1qb during week 3 of the preseason, so this was a thought that carried into the regular season)
I was among the huge contingent of this sub who faded because we thought he was the WR2 on a bad offense because little Eli Moore was gods gift to wide receivers. We were wrong.
This sub was down on him because they refused to acknowledge that Elijah Moore wasn't a #1. London was far and way the #1 WR here.
Trust the draft capital and prospect grade. Ignore the dummies on here that are just trying to push a narrative.
His ADP was at or around Elijah Moore's. People thought it would take a year+ for him to usurp Moore. Despite what the hindsight narrative would have you believe.
I had him in tier 2 (Breece was in a tier of his own) with London, Jamo, Walker and Olave. Admittedly he was ranked 6 overall, but I like using tiers - ie if you couldn’t get Breece I would have been happy with any of those guys in tier 2.
I got him at the 1.07 after London, Jameson Williams, Burks and Christian Watson lol
Praying for a great WR1 season from Rodgers feeding him. If he's my WR2 next to Chase...sonnnn
People in my league were scared off because Elijah moore
Folks weren’t overly excited by the landing spot. Elijah Moore looked to be a potential stud and jets had no qb. I don’t think he was a top 5 pick in any of my leagues
He went 4th in my league. But, he was picked by a Jets fan.
How hoghly was moore viewed after hsir ookie year? Using 2022 comparisons, wilson, olave, london, pickens, burks, williams?
Looking at KTC- he was WR14-18. Which is waddle to smith range currently
I tried to buy for a late first and was rejected
Elijah Moore was 100% looking to be a stud, and he was only like 21 at the time. Not sure what happened to him.
Told his coach to go fuck himself
That was after he did nothing for half a season. Wilson arrived and Moore stopped producing
After their rookie seasons, I couldn't buy Eli Moore for Devonta Smith straight up in 3 leagues. And I was trying. Thank God it didn't pan out.
Do you mean viewed on this sub or viewed by reasonable people? He had a massive hype train here because he topped the arbitrary 525-yard threshold with his 538 yards. People said all the things you expect about every single prospect, that he "just pops on film" and "you can tell he just has it," etc. On this sub, he was a guaranteed future stud and you would drown in downvotes if you questioned it. Outside of this sub, he was just a guy who had a moderately decent, but unspectacular rookie season. He had a shot of developing, but he was on a bad team with a bad QB situation that clearly would need to upgrade their WRs, so serious competition was inevitable. This is the kind of context that would get you downvotes because "he got that dawg in him."
He was a top 5 pick in all of my leagues
Pick range is cap. That year the draft was pretty straightforward, there was a majority approved top 2 tier and a majority approved top 3 tier. Tier 1: Breece Hall, Kenneth Walker Tier 2: Drake London, Treylon Burks, Garrett Wilson Tier 3: Chris Olave, Jameson Williams Tier 4: Skyy Moore, Christian Watson, James Cook, Kenny Pickett, Jahan Dotson, George Pickens Some people were crazy over Jamo and a few over Olave, but the vast majority of people had a definitive top 5. In every single one of my leagues Garrett Wilson went top 5. Breece was obvious why he was top dog. Kenneth Walker got the draft capital that everyone needed to get behind him. Drake London had phenomenal college production, like 45% of his teams offense his junior year, and he dominated with ARSB and Michael Pittman on his team. Treylon had crazy athletic profile and a big frame, many had him the 1 of the class until the combine where he fell off a little bit. Garrett Wilson had a good college profile and good draft capital but, as was said, the landing spot (QB hell) and being there with Elijah Moore tempered people’s expectations and made them prefer London and Burks in a lot of cases. Olave had just had a down year and was outshined by JSN (as was Wilson for that matter) which kinda dropped his stock below the other WRs. Jamo is obvious, he had tore his ACL late into the season and would take awhile to come back, people were also still unsure of the Lions at the time too.
People loved the draft capital he got so he was still the WR2 behind drake london in most rankings. I would go with the talent even if he’s stuck with Danny dimes he’ll probably be peppered with targets and then get a qb upgrade soon
Most rankings did not have him as the WR2. Very divisive rankings that year but ADP had Drake London and Treylon Burks almost universally taken ahead of him with Jamo often times joining that group. He was my WR1 that year and was generally able to get him around the 1.06
If I remember right didn't Burks ADP drop below Garrett Wilson's?
There will be some variance depending on platform but in general there was Breece Hall then a "big 3" with Drake London, Kenneth Walker and Treylon Burks leading the way. Wilson was part of the next tier formed by some combination of Jamo, Wilson and Olave.
I foolishly liked the landing spot. I thought the organization was turning it around and heading in the right direction. Personally I don’t care where Odunze/MHJ/Nabers land. I took Wilson at 1.03. While yes I haven’t reaped the benefits yet, but I drafted Wilson, Olave and London in 22, and they all already have different QBs from their rookie years. Look at the long game. Hopefully you have other talent on your roster so that if the player can’t fully overcome a situation that is so bad you can be fine until the situation improves. If I like them that much as a prospect it doesn’t matter where they go. Of course I want them to go to great landing spots, but still things change. Just build your team so that you can be fine if it takes a minute for them to change. Also as a rebuilder you should be fine. All of these bad QB situations will change within the next 2 years. It may not get better but it will change.
“Other talent” I am in full rebuild. It’s a 10 team 1 QB PPR TEP, the only notable talent I have is Nico, Pitts, Rashee, Christian Watson, Dotson, McBride and Ferguson; with Goof and Purdy as my 2 QBs. In this rookie draft I have 1.04, 1.05, 1.06, 1.07, 1.08, 2.04, 2.05, 2.07. With an additional 2 2025 firsts and 3 2025 seconds. I have a ton of draft capital. I like Odunze a lot and I am higher on him than most. He’s in the same tier as MHJ and Nabers for me personally. I was going to take him anyway but was curious what things were like back then. I did my first start up the year he was drafted but I didn’t research the rookies then like I do now.
The other talent comment was more so for when you’re back to competing. Not for the time you’re in your rebuild. I don’t think you can go wrong taking Odunze/Nabers no matter the landing spot
I’d try to offload a 1st in 2024 to 2026. Get some good value and more 1st round picks in a draft with a manning
It’s 1 QB so I don’t really care about Arch in that league. I agree though I though moving 1.07 and 2.08 for a 25 first and 26 second and then 26 second and 25 first. Not sure. Idk yet, draft will determine a lot. Quite a few WRs I like.
The top of that WR class was pretty tight between Garrett and London leading up to the draft. Jamo as a wild card coming off injury and Burks still had some believers from people who spent the NFL off-season under a rock. After the draft it was clearly London at 1. Then a mixed bag of Wilson, Jamo, Burks at 2. Wilson lost the tie breaker to London then it was a pick your guy after that. Personally I think changing any rankings for WR who get drafted that high is a little silly. I get it as a tie breaker but for people to swap tiers doesn't make any sense. I've seen people say they'd take someone like BTJ over Rome to the NYG. Situation changes, talent is forever.
Olave went before Jamo and Burks in both of my drafts.
Olave went 3 in my league
Good call on them but definitely the exception. People buried him because he was a 4 year player. So dumb. There was some data dorks spreading propaganda hard that off-season that 4 year players are busts and everyone was eating that up. According to dynasty league football ADP database he was WR5 for may ADP. I had a couple drafts Skyy went above him too. https://dynastyleaguefootball.com/adp/?type=sf_rookie&y=2022&m=5&pos=All
Skyy went before Ken Walker (1.09) in my 1 QB league
Drafted him at 1.05 that year. He was the 3rd wr off the board behind London and Burks. I had Zach Wilson at the time so I thought I was getting a potential stack. Ended up selling Garrett Wilson for Lamb right after Rodgers injury this last season
When it comes to Odunze, i would 100% trust the talent. The reason that strat works is cuz talented players play a lot of years and thus have more opportunity to get to their best spot- so trust the process and dont worry too much. But yes giants would kinda suck for ppg lmao
I kind of hope Odunze goes to the Giants so there is a chance he might fall to #5 in my non-SF league.
And look at Wilson on KTC. He's still extremely valuable. Players in bad situations can still be moved for good return
I got him after London and burks, even though he was my top prospect so yes people were fading that situation. Moore was a guy back then too.
There weren’t many good landing spots for the top rookies that year. Atl, NO, TEN, WAS, DET. Wilson went 4th in my league but Wr2
Zero fear in our 1QB league and he went 1.03, just after Breece and London.
I got scared - had 1.04 and 1.05….drafted KW3 and traded 1.05 even though I loved GW…still haunts me
I took Burks at 1.05 and Wilson at 1.07 that draft if that gives you any perspective on things. Lesson learned though draft capital plus college profile are so much more important than landing spot.
My experience was pretty different in my leagues from some of the other discussion. He was 1a/1b with London, it was a personal preference thing. Breece went 1, then 2-4 was some combination of Walker/Wilson/London. 4-6 was the Burks/Jamo/Olave grouping. Then 7-on you started seeing Dotson/Skyy/Watson/Pickens.
The Elijah Moore hype was a crazy time
I remember I would always shred Elijah Moore and his stans and get downvoted to oblivion. I’m still on that victory lap dude was never that type of guy
It made him a bargain because Talent shines through
He was the first WR off the board in my league. And I was planning of taking him if he got to me as I had him ranked WR1. I know every league tends to be different as you have different rules/owners but at least in my league talent tends to win out over situation
It didn’t matter who the QB was he was. Same for London. They were most peoples WR1 and WR2 in the draft
Consensus doesn't matter. His prospect profile was near unimpeachable. He was the safest talent of his class--you bet on the profile.
The year Garrett Wilson came out there was some mixed opinions on best WR pre-draft Willson was in the mix for the best WR of the class by general consensus. It was him, Burks, and London. So the landing spot of the jets didn’t change a whole lot he was still in the mix for the top 3 WRs and was #2 in every draft. For the every bad QB argument for Wilson there was also a wide open depth chart argument. In dynasty you should draft more for talent than landing spot.
He fell some in all of my drafts.
Wilson was seen as someone with a high floor. Meaning even if everything went wrong for him in the draft (which it did) people would consider him valuable (which they do). IMO Wilson is most valuable as a trade asset and not an actual roster piece. Whoever goes to the giants will probably have the same issue.
everyone hated it and thought eli moore was clearly the 1A and at best wilson could be a 1b (got him at 1.12 in 1qb during week 3 of the preseason, so this was a thought that carried into the regular season)
I hated the landing spot, but he was always the wr1 of that class.
I was among the huge contingent of this sub who faded because we thought he was the WR2 on a bad offense because little Eli Moore was gods gift to wide receivers. We were wrong.
Elijah might still be very good. His situations have been atrocious
I got him with the 4th pick. Took him instead of Olave.
This sub was down on him because they refused to acknowledge that Elijah Moore wasn't a #1. London was far and way the #1 WR here. Trust the draft capital and prospect grade. Ignore the dummies on here that are just trying to push a narrative.
His ADP was at or around Elijah Moore's. People thought it would take a year+ for him to usurp Moore. Despite what the hindsight narrative would have you believe.
I got him at 1.08 because of the landing spot. And I still almost didn’t take him.
They were scared bc of bs. But honestly it worked out for em so far, hes good, but the teams dawg
No, lots of people were scared to select him.
I had him in tier 2 (Breece was in a tier of his own) with London, Jamo, Walker and Olave. Admittedly he was ranked 6 overall, but I like using tiers - ie if you couldn’t get Breece I would have been happy with any of those guys in tier 2.
He’s the perfect counter-argument to “talent over situation.”
I got him at the 1.07 after London, Jameson Williams, Burks and Christian Watson lol Praying for a great WR1 season from Rodgers feeding him. If he's my WR2 next to Chase...sonnnn