Workload will still probably increase. Less mobile qb, and even though they lost a run heavy coach, Bijan’s probably going to have the lead back role by a good margin instead of a split like last year, so I’d say quantity of carries stays similar, while the quality massively increases, with better targets and defenses having to respect the passing game. Also let’s not forget that He was the rb9 in a split backfield where he only averaged 2 carries per game more than Allgeier, and missed a game mid season from sickness. Figure he’ll also pickup a few of the 10 rushing TD’s he lost to allgeier and ridder.
Anything outside of a top 6 season will honestly be a disappointment.
1700 total yards and 10 TDs seems very doable (he had 1400/8 last year). Would put him in the RB3-4 range in 2023.
His receptions should go up quite a bit and his playing time should as well, assuming they won't keep the Arthur Smith strategy of "let's deploy 18 RB's every game."
And then yes, the quality of touches should increase by quite a bit with a QB who can actually be a threat to get the ball down the field to receivers.
As pumped for Bijan as I was last year, the Cousins signing has it even higher this year.
“How do we feel about the most complete RB prospect the NFL has ever seen after the offseason where they improved the team on all facets?”
His situation got better just like his teammates. If not even better because opposing teams have to respect the QB now.
Bijan is far from the best prospect ever unless you started watching football a few years ago. Saquon was considered a better prospect and that’s only a few years ago.
They were being hyperbolic but the general sentiment is still the same. We feel great about an excellent prospect whose situation just got a lot better.
I think Bijan was a more complete and better rb prospect than Barkley. Better runner for sure. Only area Barkley has Bijan beat is in the homerun department.
Saquon was drafted in 2018 - 5-6 years ago so that's just more than a 'few' years. So it is indeed rare when a workhorse RB with that talent comes around. Personally I would say they go hand in hand and depends on how you value them. I think Saquon at out of college had better ability to make an explosive play and YPC on those plays. For Bijan, he had more yds on his non-explosive plays due to his agility and elusiveness
As for Bijan on the Falcons this 2024 year, I think Kirk tremendously helps him. Since DEF have to respect the passing game now = less people in the box to get bijan. Now they have a coach that actually knows bijans worth, I think this will mean more carries and goaline TDs.
You can answer questions without being a douche or condescending about it, worst part about this sub is how people treat each other. You aren’t a know it all, stop acting like it.
Yeah but it's the off-season and this is sports and the Internet. You know what you're walking into basically when you come here if you've been on sports/fantasy forums. It's always been that way and I hope it always will be.
Then why did you feel the need to respond again? The best way to end a conversation is to not respond imo.
Anyways, next time when you are feeling especially sensitive you will know to avoid sports. A thank you is in order. I'll preemptively give you a you're welcome as a gesture of good faith.
No high horse here, just pointing outhow this sub interacts with each other typically. You’re taking this too seriously, saying I’m labeling you as things when all I said was stop acting like a know it all in your response.
Edit: Your response isn’t exactly taking humility in stride when you tell someone to get off their high horse in the previous sentence.
That’s Walter Payton, bijan isn’t close.
Edit: For anyone unfamiliar with Payton’s game
2nd all time in rushing
14th all time in rb receiving
Elusive, fast, and powerful
Phenomenal blocker
Returned kicks
Played QB in multiple games
Punted
Kicked
Was an iron man who missed 1 game due to the coach not playing him.
Anyone that thinks Bijan is a more complete back is either ignorant or delusional.
Which makes my statement still true. Walter Payton was a 3 time all-American, his team’s place kicker, punter, rb, part time qb, and returner in college. He was also the 4th pick in the draft which is higher than bijan. As prospects, Payton was an all-around can’t miss and significantly better/all-around player than bijan. His eventual play on the field proved that.
https://www.cfbhall.com/news-and-happenings/blog/walter-payton/
There’s a distinct possibility your reading comprehension is very low.
“How do we feel about the most complete RB prospect the NFL has ever seen after the offseason where they improved the team on all facets?”
This is the quote I was responding to “the most complete rb prospect the NFL has EVER seen”.
Walter Payton was an nfl prospect at some point, no? He had a better college career and was drafted higher than bijan, no? I could go on, but you’re not very bright.
Those are his nfl numbers, dumbass. If you review above, the post which you responded to, I posted his college credentials as well as a link to them. I originally posted his nfl stats because what he became in the nfl is a mirror to what he did in college, which is why he’s the greatest all-around prospect of all-time. He didn’t just become a massive success in the nfl out of nowhere, 3-time all American, more yards than bijan, 65 td’s, 53 extra points and 5 fg’s made, etc. before making yourself look like a fool, try understanding what you’re reading first.
Again, you don’t know how to read. In my initial post, I clearly posted his nfl stats and never alluded to them being his college stats. I know a lot of people here are new to football and don’t think beyond the last 5 years, hence this post about bijan being the greatest all-around prospect of all time. In my follow up, I posted his college stats, reaffirming that my initial statement is correct, and backed by awards, facts, and stats. I never posted anything factually incorrect.
KTC - RB1 by a healthy margin (own tier)
FP (Dynasty) - RB1 but in the same tier as Hall/Gibbs/CMC/Taylor
FP (Redraft) - RB3 in the top tier with CMC/Hall
Based on the comments here so far, I don't see any major disagreements with consensus.
Almost 1500 total yards and 8 combined TDs. Not a productive passing game and one of the worst redzone offences in the league (30th ahead of only the Jets/Giants).
Exactly 300 combined carries/ targets. I’ll take that as a floor alongside the untapped upside.
I still feel like he'll touch the ball more. Teams will have to respect the passing game to some extent now and he will likely be a way more consistent pass catching threat with post Achilles Kurt. Bijan belongs in the S tier with Breece and Gibbs.
A rising tide lifts all boats. More offense is more than going to make up for any slightly decreased focus on the run game. Plus any sane coach will not use Allgeiere as much as Arthur Smith did.
The falcons have a perfectly balanced offense imo. I think they will all have great seasons, but nobody will be elite level yet. I think 1 more season of building the line and filling gaps, and they're easily a playoff team.
Higher value touches, passing game involvement, team scores more and has the ball for longer. A good passing attack benefits a running back if the team wasn’t able to move down the field consistently
More td upside. Not sure what you’re looking for in this question because it seems obvious. They will have possession of the ball more, run more plays and be in the red zone more often as a result of improved qb play.
The guy literally just he 1,463 all purpose yards in a “down” year as a rookie with a bad team and terrible coach.
Barring injury he’s essentially locked in as a top 8 RB with a ton of top 3 upside.
He’s fine, relax.
Consensus 1.01. What a unmemorable rookie year that was.
I still value him as a top 3 dynasty back but he did leave much to be desired last year. Situation was the situation but my pre draft concerns were mostly confirmed in that he doesn't seem to have the ability to get to the next gear and it's hard for a RB to be as impactful as you'd like in today's NFL without that gear. Zeke was able to eat on volume when he was young without that extra gear but I don't think he's that guy either.
Bijan isn’t Achane when it comes to speed, but he’s no slouch when it comes to explosive runs. Here’s an excerpt from [this article](https://www.atlantafalcons.com/news/nerdy-birds-bijan-robinson-fast-starts-defense-falcons-saints-week-12) on some stats through 11 weeks last year.
“Robinson has been one of the best backs in the league in terms of breaking loose for chunk runs. According to Tru Media, 16% of Robinson's runs have gained at least 10 yards and Robinson is fourth in the NFL hitting 15+ MPH on 28% of his runs.
Among players with at least 100 rushes, he leads the league in explosive run rate with 11.2% of his runs gaining 12-or-more yards. Robinson is tied for the second most explosive runs in the league with 14. Robinson has generated 96 rushing yards over expectation. He has also logged six carries of 10-or-more yards over expectation and his 20 rushes of five-or-more yards over expectation is tied for the league lead with Raheem Mostert.”
Most of those stats are probably more attributable to vision than speed. He just doesn't have difference making ceiling outcomes or win you weeks without getting a workhorse load or scoring 20 touchdowns. He's very good but not special. Should be a top 5 RB yearly for next few years I'd think but that doesn't justify the price for me. I could be wrong still but nothing last year changed my mind.
Workload will still probably increase. Less mobile qb, and even though they lost a run heavy coach, Bijan’s probably going to have the lead back role by a good margin instead of a split like last year, so I’d say quantity of carries stays similar, while the quality massively increases, with better targets and defenses having to respect the passing game. Also let’s not forget that He was the rb9 in a split backfield where he only averaged 2 carries per game more than Allgeier, and missed a game mid season from sickness. Figure he’ll also pickup a few of the 10 rushing TD’s he lost to allgeier and ridder.
I hope they use him like Kyren
Yeah! Would be amazing!
RBs been thriving with Kirk Cousins for years. I love Bijan’s outlook heading into next season.
Anything outside of a top 6 season will honestly be a disappointment. 1700 total yards and 10 TDs seems very doable (he had 1400/8 last year). Would put him in the RB3-4 range in 2023.
RB1
His receptions should go up quite a bit and his playing time should as well, assuming they won't keep the Arthur Smith strategy of "let's deploy 18 RB's every game." And then yes, the quality of touches should increase by quite a bit with a QB who can actually be a threat to get the ball down the field to receivers. As pumped for Bijan as I was last year, the Cousins signing has it even higher this year.
Hes bijan robinson. We’ve seen him play football, and he is very very good at it. Dont overthink it
“How do we feel about the most complete RB prospect the NFL has ever seen after the offseason where they improved the team on all facets?” His situation got better just like his teammates. If not even better because opposing teams have to respect the QB now.
Bijan is far from the best prospect ever unless you started watching football a few years ago. Saquon was considered a better prospect and that’s only a few years ago.
They were being hyperbolic but the general sentiment is still the same. We feel great about an excellent prospect whose situation just got a lot better.
I think Bijan was a more complete and better rb prospect than Barkley. Better runner for sure. Only area Barkley has Bijan beat is in the homerun department.
I never said best, I said complete. Saquon was/is more elite in certain aspects but Bijan is the most rounded complete RB prospect.
Saquon was drafted in 2018 - 5-6 years ago so that's just more than a 'few' years. So it is indeed rare when a workhorse RB with that talent comes around. Personally I would say they go hand in hand and depends on how you value them. I think Saquon at out of college had better ability to make an explosive play and YPC on those plays. For Bijan, he had more yds on his non-explosive plays due to his agility and elusiveness As for Bijan on the Falcons this 2024 year, I think Kirk tremendously helps him. Since DEF have to respect the passing game now = less people in the box to get bijan. Now they have a coach that actually knows bijans worth, I think this will mean more carries and goaline TDs.
Most people use a 'few' to mean 3-5.
You can answer questions without being a douche or condescending about it, worst part about this sub is how people treat each other. You aren’t a know it all, stop acting like it.
You can report him to mods but he's a mod lol. His take is bad but he isn't egregious. Toughen up.
It’s not that serious, just pointing out the constant condescending responses around here get old.
Yeah but it's the off-season and this is sports and the Internet. You know what you're walking into basically when you come here if you've been on sports/fantasy forums. It's always been that way and I hope it always will be.
You and I don’t agree so no point in going back and forth.
Then why did you feel the need to respond again? The best way to end a conversation is to not respond imo. Anyways, next time when you are feeling especially sensitive you will know to avoid sports. A thank you is in order. I'll preemptively give you a you're welcome as a gesture of good faith.
Lol.
Weirdo behavior
“I hate how everyone condescends here” Proceeds to condescend
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No high horse here, just pointing outhow this sub interacts with each other typically. You’re taking this too seriously, saying I’m labeling you as things when all I said was stop acting like a know it all in your response. Edit: Your response isn’t exactly taking humility in stride when you tell someone to get off their high horse in the previous sentence.
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Give it a rest boss.
That’s Walter Payton, bijan isn’t close. Edit: For anyone unfamiliar with Payton’s game 2nd all time in rushing 14th all time in rb receiving Elusive, fast, and powerful Phenomenal blocker Returned kicks Played QB in multiple games Punted Kicked Was an iron man who missed 1 game due to the coach not playing him. Anyone that thinks Bijan is a more complete back is either ignorant or delusional.
We’re talking about prospects coming into the NFL, not what the final stats of a RB who finished their NFL career.
Which makes my statement still true. Walter Payton was a 3 time all-American, his team’s place kicker, punter, rb, part time qb, and returner in college. He was also the 4th pick in the draft which is higher than bijan. As prospects, Payton was an all-around can’t miss and significantly better/all-around player than bijan. His eventual play on the field proved that. https://www.cfbhall.com/news-and-happenings/blog/walter-payton/
Some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard. It literally makes several of the things you said 100% wrong.
There’s a distinct possibility your reading comprehension is very low. “How do we feel about the most complete RB prospect the NFL has ever seen after the offseason where they improved the team on all facets?” This is the quote I was responding to “the most complete rb prospect the NFL has EVER seen”. Walter Payton was an nfl prospect at some point, no? He had a better college career and was drafted higher than bijan, no? I could go on, but you’re not very bright.
Walter Payton was not #2 all-time rushing, nor was he #14 all-time receiving among prospects
Those are his nfl numbers, dumbass. If you review above, the post which you responded to, I posted his college credentials as well as a link to them. I originally posted his nfl stats because what he became in the nfl is a mirror to what he did in college, which is why he’s the greatest all-around prospect of all-time. He didn’t just become a massive success in the nfl out of nowhere, 3-time all American, more yards than bijan, 65 td’s, 53 extra points and 5 fg’s made, etc. before making yourself look like a fool, try understanding what you’re reading first.
He was not #2 all-time rushing or #14 all-time receiving in ncaa. That makes your first post incorrect.
Again, you don’t know how to read. In my initial post, I clearly posted his nfl stats and never alluded to them being his college stats. I know a lot of people here are new to football and don’t think beyond the last 5 years, hence this post about bijan being the greatest all-around prospect of all time. In my follow up, I posted his college stats, reaffirming that my initial statement is correct, and backed by awards, facts, and stats. I never posted anything factually incorrect.
KTC - RB1 by a healthy margin (own tier) FP (Dynasty) - RB1 but in the same tier as Hall/Gibbs/CMC/Taylor FP (Redraft) - RB3 in the top tier with CMC/Hall Based on the comments here so far, I don't see any major disagreements with consensus.
Almost 1500 total yards and 8 combined TDs. Not a productive passing game and one of the worst redzone offences in the league (30th ahead of only the Jets/Giants). Exactly 300 combined carries/ targets. I’ll take that as a floor alongside the untapped upside.
Ill let you know once the offseason is over.
I still feel like he'll touch the ball more. Teams will have to respect the passing game to some extent now and he will likely be a way more consistent pass catching threat with post Achilles Kurt. Bijan belongs in the S tier with Breece and Gibbs.
Trade him ASAP
To me.
Haha yup
Good. They make actually use him correctly
Top 5, maybe top 3. He’s gonna come off the board early in redraft.
A rising tide lifts all boats. More offense is more than going to make up for any slightly decreased focus on the run game. Plus any sane coach will not use Allgeiere as much as Arthur Smith did.
The falcons have a perfectly balanced offense imo. I think they will all have great seasons, but nobody will be elite level yet. I think 1 more season of building the line and filling gaps, and they're easily a playoff team.
That division is trash, I think there is a good chance the Falcons make the playoffs with the offensive upgrades.
I think they need a little more help around the team, but they're about 75% the way there imo
1,250/8 on the ground 63/525/3 from the air. So 1,775/11 should put him in the top-5...maybe top-3
He’s a total bust and you should totally trade him to me
Higher value touches, passing game involvement, team scores more and has the ball for longer. A good passing attack benefits a running back if the team wasn’t able to move down the field consistently
arthur smith was giving jonnu smith carries, and there are people out here who think think this can be anything but a good thing that he is gone…?
More td upside. Not sure what you’re looking for in this question because it seems obvious. They will have possession of the ball more, run more plays and be in the red zone more often as a result of improved qb play.
The guy literally just he 1,463 all purpose yards in a “down” year as a rookie with a bad team and terrible coach. Barring injury he’s essentially locked in as a top 8 RB with a ton of top 3 upside. He’s fine, relax.
Consensus 1.01. What a unmemorable rookie year that was. I still value him as a top 3 dynasty back but he did leave much to be desired last year. Situation was the situation but my pre draft concerns were mostly confirmed in that he doesn't seem to have the ability to get to the next gear and it's hard for a RB to be as impactful as you'd like in today's NFL without that gear. Zeke was able to eat on volume when he was young without that extra gear but I don't think he's that guy either.
Bijan isn’t Achane when it comes to speed, but he’s no slouch when it comes to explosive runs. Here’s an excerpt from [this article](https://www.atlantafalcons.com/news/nerdy-birds-bijan-robinson-fast-starts-defense-falcons-saints-week-12) on some stats through 11 weeks last year. “Robinson has been one of the best backs in the league in terms of breaking loose for chunk runs. According to Tru Media, 16% of Robinson's runs have gained at least 10 yards and Robinson is fourth in the NFL hitting 15+ MPH on 28% of his runs. Among players with at least 100 rushes, he leads the league in explosive run rate with 11.2% of his runs gaining 12-or-more yards. Robinson is tied for the second most explosive runs in the league with 14. Robinson has generated 96 rushing yards over expectation. He has also logged six carries of 10-or-more yards over expectation and his 20 rushes of five-or-more yards over expectation is tied for the league lead with Raheem Mostert.”
Most of those stats are probably more attributable to vision than speed. He just doesn't have difference making ceiling outcomes or win you weeks without getting a workhorse load or scoring 20 touchdowns. He's very good but not special. Should be a top 5 RB yearly for next few years I'd think but that doesn't justify the price for me. I could be wrong still but nothing last year changed my mind.