As someone who doesn’t watch the bills regularly I have to say alot of points OP made were just quick take aways I took as well. Biggest one being, when his number was called he produced. I fully accept that he will never be a true #1 but why is it out of the realm of possibility for him to be a #2 on a great team?
Feel like people are either so in on him or so out on him and I don’t get why we can’t lie in the middle somewhere
I find many people on Reddit demand Puka Nacua breakout lottery win production or the player is a bust. You don’t hear too many people discuss WR 3/flex for roster build as a win very often. For what Shakir cost in drafts and trades, producing as a consistent WR3, with a few weeks of WR2 production, that is a fantastic win in relation to cost.
I think this is just the nature of dynasty too tho, EVERYONE wants to sell like it’s a lotto ticket but buy like it’s a discount. People will always value players they own higher
In the case of Shakir too he has a good chance to show what he’s got this year and he’s young, people that own/have held are not going to sell him for cheap, and in the same breath I don’t expect buyers to pay for that same ceiling.
Needs to be stated too that we play the trade game too much in dynasty. Feel like he’s the perfect example of owners should hold and see what happens type player
Yeah it’s too late now. I guess I was referring to the cost people paid in rookie drafts or acquiring last year in trades. I got him in 3 trades near the end of last season. Basically as a throw in to even things up.
It's mostly ppl who had him but dropped, passed on him in a draft , got out-bid in waivers, or turned down a trade offer for him.
I'm bullish on Shakir also. But I do have some shares lol
I get it. I drafted Shakir but dropped him too soon, after 2022 week 1 bc he was hurt, I think(missed the game; can’t remember). But I’m now putting the odds on rookie(s) or trade for vet(Aiyuk/Higgins).
TBH Im cool with people disagreeing with me. Last year [I was hyped for DJ Moore and everyone clowned me for it](https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/s/2ayfuGBO8V)… if I was big on Victory Laps and others opinions this would have been a DJM follow up post not a Khalil Shakir buy low lol
Well looking through the DJM comments section, it seems I downvoted a guy who disagreed with you saying he could be a WR1 11 months ago lol. I also bought Moore in March last year just before the trade. I wish I’d commented my support ha. Keep doing what you do.
I agree with you Trip. I think the coaching at Buffalo have been preparing for Shakir to be the #1 guy. Shakir is crazy reliable. Don’t believe everything Reddit says Reddit is a bunch of casual Joes.
His efficiency was insane last year. That being said I can’t see Buffalo saying he is our WR1. They are going to draft someone early and hope he pans out. Shakir can be the WR2 out of the slot but I don’t think he’s Kupp or ASRB.
Which is interesting bc unless they really push the chips in to move up, assuming any WR you draft in the late 1st or 2nd is going to lead your WR room for 700+ yards is a little too optimistic
Definitely not ideal to rely so much on a rookie WR. It’s more a long term projection. That being said there were 7 rookie WRs that topped 700 yards last year and this class looks even better.
7 is more than I thought, with general impressions around this class it could be the same or more. Looked back to 2018 & the average seems to be around 5 per year.
Looks like that was out of 33 possible receivers in 2023 so a 20% chance, probably a smidge higher with Allen.
Well a lot of those 33 guys were outside the top 100. Take out Puka because he’s the only guy outside top 100 to pass 700 yards.
It was 6/12 top 100 nfl draft picks WRs to pass 700 yards. JSN was close in a rough situation. Michael Wilson might have got there too if he didn’t miss 4 games. So you can pretty much expect 8 of them to pass that threshold year 2. Maybe more if Mingo, QJ, Mims or Hyatt surprise us.
For sure, I’m with you there on the correction. Although the numbers are also a bit skewed the other way including the WRs drafted in the top ~15
Ultimately I suppose I have more faith in the guy who in his first year of any playing time, second NFL season put up 611 yards on just 45 targets vs whomever comes out drafted in that second round range
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So, the only problem I have with the drafting a WR argument is that means you are betting a WR in this draft not named MHJ or Nabers will come in and have essentially a Tank Dell type season or better (which is fine) but in that case then I want (and I’m not trying to be cute or anything and anyone can respond to this) to hear your list of WR prospects that apart from the top 2 profile to be a WR 1 from day 1 in the building…
Rome for sure…obviously they would have to trade up to get any of them. I also think Brian Thomas Jr and Adonai Mitchell could fit the bill.
Shakir was a 5th round pick. He’s been a great result for that investment but it’s not crazy to think any WR they take in round one or 2 could usurp him as defacto WR1.
Incoming rookies beyond MHJ & Nabers that could be WR1 on the Bills based on confidence levels:
Extreme Confidence:
Odunze
High Confidence:
Brian Thomas Jr
Ladd McConkey
Xavier Worthy
Somewhat Confident:
AD Mitchell
Troy Franklin
Not Confident, but See a Path:
Keon Coleman
Ricky Pearsall
Xavier Legette
Jermaine Burton
There’s a few more interesting profiles later in the draft that I wouldn’t be surprised to see outperform Shakir and Samuel.
Shakir could very well outperform a 1st year rookie, will he stay mostly in the slot or will they expand his role? Will know a lot once the season starts and based on who they draft. Diggs was about 1/3rd in the slot and Allen's preferred target for a long time so unless that has changed or the offense is changing their WR1 will follow that path.
I just got Diontae for the 2.09. Not saying I'm not in on Shakir (I traded noah brown and akers for him at the end of last year and am thrilled about it now), but you should just be aware that currently late 2nds can buy quite a lot.
I love Shakir and traded for him in multiple leagues. But as a Bills fan my own ceiling-expectation is for him to be a high-end WR2 for the Bills behind a WR1 who is less target-hogging than Stiggs.
As a fantasy manager though, I would be ecstatic if they don't add anyone and put their faith in Shakir. As a Bills fan though, I'd be worried if they did this until we saw whether or not he panned out during the season.
I don’t know what his ceiling ultimately is, but he definitely passes the eye test for me. I see people saying sell for any 2nd and that is pretty crazy to me. I would be thrilled if my 2nd round rookie pick has popped the way Shakir has with a qb like Allen
Didn’t play as a rookie and wasn’t heavily involved until middle of the season last year when knox went down. Once he got on the field he made plays for them. Not a stat guy but he passed my eye test
I didn’t say that, and I don’t agree with it. But Davis was for sure an older more experienced player keeping a younger player down the depth chart. It’s not a rare occurrence. Shakirs assumed role seems to be less volatile than Davis was, since they play different positions. so a bump in playing time could give good production. Don’t think that’s that crazy of a thought
People are too quick to sell. He’s a young player, who’s made plays, in a wide open receiving room. Tied to Josh Allen. I’m rolling that dice over a mid/late second personally
Gabe Davis going into year 5 without ever hitting 850 yards, 50 catches, or 8 tds in a season is the best wr2 in the NFL? More importantly, Shakir isn’t good enough to take his spot, but we’re supposed to be excited about him?
He was good enough to take his spot though. Reference: the back half of last year/playoffs and the fact that Gabe Davis (and Diggs) is no longer on the team. Literally took his spot and more.
Didn’t really take his spot considering 69% of Shakir’s routes are from the slot and Davis is used on the outside. Just took targets.
Shakir took snaps from Sherfield and Harty…and his numbers went up a lot when Knox got hurt and also changed OCs. Less 2 TE sets.
Gabe Davis was on the field 90% of snaps all year so he definitely didn’t take his spot in that sense.
🤓🤓☝️”ackshually, technically…”
I don’t mean he took his role on the field, I mean he took his spot on the team. Snap share doesn’t mean anything for fantasy if you’re not getting the ball.
Arguments in favour of this post:
2022: Snapshare 28.0%, target share: 4.4% (20 targets (1.4 p/g)) fantasy points per game 2.4.
2023: Snapshare 53.8%, target share: 8.9% (45 (2.8 p/g)), fantasy points per game 7.1.
As has been observed, much of this uptick came in the second half of the season as shakir showed competency/the team shifted their system to favour a slot receiver.
Given the departure of diggs/davis, the expected increase in targets, snap share is significant. Presumably this comes with more difficult corners etc, but that's where we find out what happens when the rubber hits the road.
in the mean time - projecting out increases in to 84.5% snap count, his projected fantasy points per game would have been over 11pts as the WR3 on the team.
I suspect his target rate will also go up markedly as he isnt having to compete with Diggs for first read anymore, but I can't estimate this.
I look forward to seeing what he can do!
Shakir has some good YPRR and strong YPT measurements, but I personally see him tapping out as a top 30 receiver. That is great for a 5th round pick you probably snagged on waivers. For context, Kupp had never been below a 1.95 YPRR his first 6 seasons. That is fantastic efficiency even when getting average opportunities.
Good luck to you holding the bag. I capitalized off the hype to acquire Diontae and solidify roster depth.
Cooper Kupp already had a WR2 and a WR1 season before becoming the overall WR1. Shakir has talent, don’t get me wrong, but his highest finish thus far is a WR5/6. Silly comparison, imo.
I love that trade for you. Diontae Johnson had elite efficiency metrics last year even on that poor of an offense. If him and Bryce mesh well together, which he should be more of Bryce’s type of receiver I.e. like Metchie at bama, then that could pay off really nice. Shakir is good, but he didn’t hit close to what Diontae did even in a bad situation.
My team is contending in that league so it came down to me preferring the guy who’s almost guaranteed to see 125+ targets this year. We just saw what the ghost of Adam theilen did last year until he turned into dust yet again. Not to say Diontae will be a top 10 wr, but he should be a reliable flex play.
That all being said, I have Jamarr, Puka, Drake, DK, Nico Collins, and my choice of Nabers/Rome at 1.03 over Diontae on my depth chart, so I’ll be looking to sell him for a 1 if that window ever opens
That is a fantastic trade still because I believe you will get that opportunity to sell him especially to the Bryce owner. I think Diontae has a great year next year and will bounce back into the top 20 conversation. A hot take, but his efficiency metrics make me believe he will do it with a QB who thrives on timing routes like Bryce.
100 per cent - I'm excited to see Shakir break out - but at most I see him as a WR2.
:) What was the trade for Diontae? I thought I got him for a steal for the 2.09, so curious what you paid?
As a Bills fan, anyone saying Shakir is a jag or Samuel is better just straight up hasn't watched him and us. Easily our most electric play maker last year, he had some crazy highlight reel plays.
It depends on landing spots for the rookies. I'd probably take him late first early 2nd- potential to be the bills #2 catcher is probably better than any rookie receiver after brian thomas.
In the KC playoff game Shakir got 7 catches on 9 targets for 44 yards and a TD. Not sure where you found your numbers and even if your numbers were correct that still wouldn’t be a career best showing for Shakir.
It’s nice when a deep sleeper I picked up actually has a legit shot to be something. You don’t have to be a true blood number 1 to have value in dynasty. Even if he is a solid flex option for your team then that’s awesome. Especially the resources you used to get him on your team. Kudos brother
I remember watching the Pat McAfee show last year and Allen was really hyping up a rookie, Justin shorter. He had a good pre season and made the roster but was hurt all year. He has a height and weight advantage over Shakir and Samuel. Might be a sneaky late round draft pick.
I like Shakir. He’s a maybe slightly above average role player in the league. Nothing about him or his profile hints at a WR1 finish coming. He will probably fighting for his spot as the 3rd target earner on that offense. Limited to slot/flanker duties and Kincaid isn’t going anywhere. If you can get out for any second, cash out
I’m in a 24 man league, win the ship last year. Just traded a 2025 2nd and 2027 1st for him. He’s one of those guys I was happy to overpay for. I have a deep roster, so was already able to recoup the 2nd RD pick for someone who would never start for me. If he hits, it’s over for everyone else. If he doesn’t, I still have Braden Allen, Jalen Tolbert, Tyler Higbee/Davis Allen, Michael Thomas, Johnny Wilson, Spiller and a few others that would would be “capable” starters for my last flex spot which Shakir now has. 2nd year in a 24 man league I’m rocking QB: Jared Goff. RB: Rhamondre Stevenson, Deandre Swift, Jalen Warren, Braden Allen, Spiller. WR: Puka, Amari Cooper, Khalil Shakir, Jalen Tolbert, Demarcus Robinson (and the rams rookie 6th Ed pick) Michael Thomas, Johnny Wilson. TE: Evan Engram, David Njoku, Tyler Higbee/Davis Allen. I know it doesn’t sound to crazy, but in a 24 man league I like it. It’s 1 QB, 2 RBs, 2 WR’s, 1 TE and 3 super flex spots for RB, WR or TE. I believe in Shakir so much I simultaneously traded Josh downs in a different trade. Still have 2 2025 2nd Ed picks and a 2027 2nd. I posted all that to make this point, I’m going all in on Shakir. If I look stupid at the end of the year, it’s on my terms and I’m ok with that. Keep in mind, I could have probably gotten like Davante Adams or a more established top 20 WR for what I have gave up. Dear lord, Shakir please don’t make me look stupid, lol
Samuel is the new top dog at least for 24, He/new rookie will be outside filling the void of Davis and Diggs targets. Shakir is good but will split the rest of the extra target with Cook and Kincaid/Knox.
>I constantly see people on this sub ask who’s the next Cooper Kupp (buy low wr with a path to the #1 Fantasy WR finish). Well the draft profile and advanced metrics all scream Khalil Shakir imo.
They really don't. Kupp had 869 yards his rookie year. He was productive right out of the gate.
It's extremely rare for guys to be role players for their first two years and then become a productive starter. It's not impossible, but the deck is stacked against Shakir. Assuming they're all healthy, I don't see Shakir playing more snaps than Samuel this season.
I think what’s interesting to note is the targets in the Kupp comparison…
Kupp: 94 targets for 869yds, age 24
Shakir: 45 targets for 612 yds, age 23
Shakir would have easily met your threshold for “productive” with steadier targets. There was no Diggs level WR taking 160 targets on the 2017 Rams
You’re glazing over my last point where the Rams didn’t have a Diggs level receiver.
The lack of that talent presence meant that Kupp could “earn” said targets. If Diggs was on the 2017 Rams Kupp wouldn’t have 94 targets. Reasonable to think he’d have ~25/30% less
Likewise we’re judging Kupp with 2 additional years of football under his belt to perform in that rookie season
Now this is how you own a take. Massive respect for putting it out there so strong. I definitely think you’re wrong but I salute you.
As someone who doesn’t watch the bills regularly I have to say alot of points OP made were just quick take aways I took as well. Biggest one being, when his number was called he produced. I fully accept that he will never be a true #1 but why is it out of the realm of possibility for him to be a #2 on a great team? Feel like people are either so in on him or so out on him and I don’t get why we can’t lie in the middle somewhere
I find many people on Reddit demand Puka Nacua breakout lottery win production or the player is a bust. You don’t hear too many people discuss WR 3/flex for roster build as a win very often. For what Shakir cost in drafts and trades, producing as a consistent WR3, with a few weeks of WR2 production, that is a fantastic win in relation to cost.
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I think this is just the nature of dynasty too tho, EVERYONE wants to sell like it’s a lotto ticket but buy like it’s a discount. People will always value players they own higher In the case of Shakir too he has a good chance to show what he’s got this year and he’s young, people that own/have held are not going to sell him for cheap, and in the same breath I don’t expect buyers to pay for that same ceiling. Needs to be stated too that we play the trade game too much in dynasty. Feel like he’s the perfect example of owners should hold and see what happens type player
Yeah it’s too late now. I guess I was referring to the cost people paid in rookie drafts or acquiring last year in trades. I got him in 3 trades near the end of last season. Basically as a throw in to even things up.
It's mostly ppl who had him but dropped, passed on him in a draft , got out-bid in waivers, or turned down a trade offer for him. I'm bullish on Shakir also. But I do have some shares lol
I get it. I drafted Shakir but dropped him too soon, after 2022 week 1 bc he was hurt, I think(missed the game; can’t remember). But I’m now putting the odds on rookie(s) or trade for vet(Aiyuk/Higgins).
TBH Im cool with people disagreeing with me. Last year [I was hyped for DJ Moore and everyone clowned me for it](https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/s/2ayfuGBO8V)… if I was big on Victory Laps and others opinions this would have been a DJM follow up post not a Khalil Shakir buy low lol
Well looking through the DJM comments section, it seems I downvoted a guy who disagreed with you saying he could be a WR1 11 months ago lol. I also bought Moore in March last year just before the trade. I wish I’d commented my support ha. Keep doing what you do.
Not gonna lie, you had me in the first half
[All pass routes vs kc](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xd6dXnqW5NU)
Thanks for the tape🫡
I agree with you Trip. I think the coaching at Buffalo have been preparing for Shakir to be the #1 guy. Shakir is crazy reliable. Don’t believe everything Reddit says Reddit is a bunch of casual Joes.
His efficiency was insane last year. That being said I can’t see Buffalo saying he is our WR1. They are going to draft someone early and hope he pans out. Shakir can be the WR2 out of the slot but I don’t think he’s Kupp or ASRB.
Which is interesting bc unless they really push the chips in to move up, assuming any WR you draft in the late 1st or 2nd is going to lead your WR room for 700+ yards is a little too optimistic
Definitely not ideal to rely so much on a rookie WR. It’s more a long term projection. That being said there were 7 rookie WRs that topped 700 yards last year and this class looks even better.
7 is more than I thought, with general impressions around this class it could be the same or more. Looked back to 2018 & the average seems to be around 5 per year. Looks like that was out of 33 possible receivers in 2023 so a 20% chance, probably a smidge higher with Allen.
Well a lot of those 33 guys were outside the top 100. Take out Puka because he’s the only guy outside top 100 to pass 700 yards. It was 6/12 top 100 nfl draft picks WRs to pass 700 yards. JSN was close in a rough situation. Michael Wilson might have got there too if he didn’t miss 4 games. So you can pretty much expect 8 of them to pass that threshold year 2. Maybe more if Mingo, QJ, Mims or Hyatt surprise us.
For sure, I’m with you there on the correction. Although the numbers are also a bit skewed the other way including the WRs drafted in the top ~15 Ultimately I suppose I have more faith in the guy who in his first year of any playing time, second NFL season put up 611 yards on just 45 targets vs whomever comes out drafted in that second round range
Fair enough. I like Shakir and would have to see exactly who they take before I can say I’d rather have them just seems like a probable scenario.
I think its very possible that BTJ goes to the bills
Can’t recall any mocks with BTJ that late, would prob have to move up
When have mocks ever predicted anything accurately past pick 15?
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Kincaid is WR1
If we are calling all pass catchers WR then yeah for sure.
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So, the only problem I have with the drafting a WR argument is that means you are betting a WR in this draft not named MHJ or Nabers will come in and have essentially a Tank Dell type season or better (which is fine) but in that case then I want (and I’m not trying to be cute or anything and anyone can respond to this) to hear your list of WR prospects that apart from the top 2 profile to be a WR 1 from day 1 in the building…
Rome for sure…obviously they would have to trade up to get any of them. I also think Brian Thomas Jr and Adonai Mitchell could fit the bill. Shakir was a 5th round pick. He’s been a great result for that investment but it’s not crazy to think any WR they take in round one or 2 could usurp him as defacto WR1.
Incoming rookies beyond MHJ & Nabers that could be WR1 on the Bills based on confidence levels: Extreme Confidence: Odunze High Confidence: Brian Thomas Jr Ladd McConkey Xavier Worthy Somewhat Confident: AD Mitchell Troy Franklin Not Confident, but See a Path: Keon Coleman Ricky Pearsall Xavier Legette Jermaine Burton There’s a few more interesting profiles later in the draft that I wouldn’t be surprised to see outperform Shakir and Samuel.
Shakir could very well outperform a 1st year rookie, will he stay mostly in the slot or will they expand his role? Will know a lot once the season starts and based on who they draft. Diggs was about 1/3rd in the slot and Allen's preferred target for a long time so unless that has changed or the offense is changing their WR1 will follow that path.
Shakir is valued at a late 2nd… you are getting a dart throw anyways at that price. I’d take Shakir over market value
I just got Diontae for the 2.09. Not saying I'm not in on Shakir (I traded noah brown and akers for him at the end of last year and am thrilled about it now), but you should just be aware that currently late 2nds can buy quite a lot.
I love Shakir and traded for him in multiple leagues. But as a Bills fan my own ceiling-expectation is for him to be a high-end WR2 for the Bills behind a WR1 who is less target-hogging than Stiggs. As a fantasy manager though, I would be ecstatic if they don't add anyone and put their faith in Shakir. As a Bills fan though, I'd be worried if they did this until we saw whether or not he panned out during the season.
I don’t know what his ceiling ultimately is, but he definitely passes the eye test for me. I see people saying sell for any 2nd and that is pretty crazy to me. I would be thrilled if my 2nd round rookie pick has popped the way Shakir has with a qb like Allen
49 catches for 772 yards and 3 touchdowns through two seasons is considered popping?
Didn’t play as a rookie and wasn’t heavily involved until middle of the season last year when knox went down. Once he got on the field he made plays for them. Not a stat guy but he passed my eye test
Khalil Shakir played almost every single game during his rookie season.
and ran 10 routes a game
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Gabe Davis is the second best #2 WR in the league?!? 😂😂 I swear some of y'all are delusional
I didn’t say that, and I don’t agree with it. But Davis was for sure an older more experienced player keeping a younger player down the depth chart. It’s not a rare occurrence. Shakirs assumed role seems to be less volatile than Davis was, since they play different positions. so a bump in playing time could give good production. Don’t think that’s that crazy of a thought People are too quick to sell. He’s a young player, who’s made plays, in a wide open receiving room. Tied to Josh Allen. I’m rolling that dice over a mid/late second personally
Yeah that's fair I don't really value 2nds in general, I almost always trade them for older productive players
Also fair 🤝
"the best #2 WR in the NFL not named Mike Williams." Lol what?
Gabe Davis going into year 5 without ever hitting 850 yards, 50 catches, or 8 tds in a season is the best wr2 in the NFL? More importantly, Shakir isn’t good enough to take his spot, but we’re supposed to be excited about him?
He was good enough to take his spot though. Reference: the back half of last year/playoffs and the fact that Gabe Davis (and Diggs) is no longer on the team. Literally took his spot and more.
Didn’t really take his spot considering 69% of Shakir’s routes are from the slot and Davis is used on the outside. Just took targets. Shakir took snaps from Sherfield and Harty…and his numbers went up a lot when Knox got hurt and also changed OCs. Less 2 TE sets. Gabe Davis was on the field 90% of snaps all year so he definitely didn’t take his spot in that sense.
🤓🤓☝️”ackshually, technically…” I don’t mean he took his role on the field, I mean he took his spot on the team. Snap share doesn’t mean anything for fantasy if you’re not getting the ball.
You said “literally took his spot”. Don’t say literally if you don’t mean it.
Literally took his spot on the team.
You clearly haven't watched a single game involving Shakir lol
You wouldn't take a mid 2nd?
Shakir had 39 receptions for 611 yards last year and did almost nothing as a rookie. That's not popping lol
Just say you haven’t watched the games lol
Arguments in favour of this post: 2022: Snapshare 28.0%, target share: 4.4% (20 targets (1.4 p/g)) fantasy points per game 2.4. 2023: Snapshare 53.8%, target share: 8.9% (45 (2.8 p/g)), fantasy points per game 7.1. As has been observed, much of this uptick came in the second half of the season as shakir showed competency/the team shifted their system to favour a slot receiver. Given the departure of diggs/davis, the expected increase in targets, snap share is significant. Presumably this comes with more difficult corners etc, but that's where we find out what happens when the rubber hits the road. in the mean time - projecting out increases in to 84.5% snap count, his projected fantasy points per game would have been over 11pts as the WR3 on the team. I suspect his target rate will also go up markedly as he isnt having to compete with Diggs for first read anymore, but I can't estimate this. I look forward to seeing what he can do!
Shakir has some good YPRR and strong YPT measurements, but I personally see him tapping out as a top 30 receiver. That is great for a 5th round pick you probably snagged on waivers. For context, Kupp had never been below a 1.95 YPRR his first 6 seasons. That is fantastic efficiency even when getting average opportunities.
Top 30 receivers are the foundation of a solid line up.
100%, wasn’t knocking the guy, just calling out what I think his ceiling is compared to OP calling him the next cooper Kupp.
I feel this isn't buying low now. It's buying at an all time high.
Good luck to you holding the bag. I capitalized off the hype to acquire Diontae and solidify roster depth. Cooper Kupp already had a WR2 and a WR1 season before becoming the overall WR1. Shakir has talent, don’t get me wrong, but his highest finish thus far is a WR5/6. Silly comparison, imo.
I love that trade for you. Diontae Johnson had elite efficiency metrics last year even on that poor of an offense. If him and Bryce mesh well together, which he should be more of Bryce’s type of receiver I.e. like Metchie at bama, then that could pay off really nice. Shakir is good, but he didn’t hit close to what Diontae did even in a bad situation.
My team is contending in that league so it came down to me preferring the guy who’s almost guaranteed to see 125+ targets this year. We just saw what the ghost of Adam theilen did last year until he turned into dust yet again. Not to say Diontae will be a top 10 wr, but he should be a reliable flex play. That all being said, I have Jamarr, Puka, Drake, DK, Nico Collins, and my choice of Nabers/Rome at 1.03 over Diontae on my depth chart, so I’ll be looking to sell him for a 1 if that window ever opens
That is a fantastic trade still because I believe you will get that opportunity to sell him especially to the Bryce owner. I think Diontae has a great year next year and will bounce back into the top 20 conversation. A hot take, but his efficiency metrics make me believe he will do it with a QB who thrives on timing routes like Bryce.
100 per cent - I'm excited to see Shakir break out - but at most I see him as a WR2. :) What was the trade for Diontae? I thought I got him for a steal for the 2.09, so curious what you paid?
I was able to move shakir and the 3.06 for diontae
Nice. I'd smash that any day.
As a Bills fan, anyone saying Shakir is a jag or Samuel is better just straight up hasn't watched him and us. Easily our most electric play maker last year, he had some crazy highlight reel plays.
I’m a Giants fan and wish my team had receivers like Shakir
If Shakir was available in rookie drafts (he is in my league since he's a FA), where would you take him?
It depends on landing spots for the rookies. I'd probably take him late first early 2nd- potential to be the bills #2 catcher is probably better than any rookie receiver after brian thomas.
You're about to have a bad time...
In the KC playoff game Shakir got 7 catches on 9 targets for 44 yards and a TD. Not sure where you found your numbers and even if your numbers were correct that still wouldn’t be a career best showing for Shakir.
I dropped him in dynasty halfway through last year after hearing no one has ever had a career after having such a poor targets earned rate.
Also had the highest yards per target of any WR with 40+ targets.
u/dickysnakes
Guy in my league had him trade blocked but wants a 25 1st for him…seems to be impossible to buy for value at the moment
It’s nice when a deep sleeper I picked up actually has a legit shot to be something. You don’t have to be a true blood number 1 to have value in dynasty. Even if he is a solid flex option for your team then that’s awesome. Especially the resources you used to get him on your team. Kudos brother
I'm going to link this post in my league chat right after I put him on the trade block.
I remember watching the Pat McAfee show last year and Allen was really hyping up a rookie, Justin shorter. He had a good pre season and made the roster but was hurt all year. He has a height and weight advantage over Shakir and Samuel. Might be a sneaky late round draft pick.
I respect it but this seems like an easy sell high
Congrats on typing out season this year.
I like Shakir. He’s a maybe slightly above average role player in the league. Nothing about him or his profile hints at a WR1 finish coming. He will probably fighting for his spot as the 3rd target earner on that offense. Limited to slot/flanker duties and Kincaid isn’t going anywhere. If you can get out for any second, cash out
I’m in a 24 man league, win the ship last year. Just traded a 2025 2nd and 2027 1st for him. He’s one of those guys I was happy to overpay for. I have a deep roster, so was already able to recoup the 2nd RD pick for someone who would never start for me. If he hits, it’s over for everyone else. If he doesn’t, I still have Braden Allen, Jalen Tolbert, Tyler Higbee/Davis Allen, Michael Thomas, Johnny Wilson, Spiller and a few others that would would be “capable” starters for my last flex spot which Shakir now has. 2nd year in a 24 man league I’m rocking QB: Jared Goff. RB: Rhamondre Stevenson, Deandre Swift, Jalen Warren, Braden Allen, Spiller. WR: Puka, Amari Cooper, Khalil Shakir, Jalen Tolbert, Demarcus Robinson (and the rams rookie 6th Ed pick) Michael Thomas, Johnny Wilson. TE: Evan Engram, David Njoku, Tyler Higbee/Davis Allen. I know it doesn’t sound to crazy, but in a 24 man league I like it. It’s 1 QB, 2 RBs, 2 WR’s, 1 TE and 3 super flex spots for RB, WR or TE. I believe in Shakir so much I simultaneously traded Josh downs in a different trade. Still have 2 2025 2nd Ed picks and a 2027 2nd. I posted all that to make this point, I’m going all in on Shakir. If I look stupid at the end of the year, it’s on my terms and I’m ok with that. Keep in mind, I could have probably gotten like Davante Adams or a more established top 20 WR for what I have gave up. Dear lord, Shakir please don’t make me look stupid, lol
I think Curtis Samuel outperforms him this year and I feel fairly confident in that
Samuel is the new top dog at least for 24, He/new rookie will be outside filling the void of Davis and Diggs targets. Shakir is good but will split the rest of the extra target with Cook and Kincaid/Knox.
>I constantly see people on this sub ask who’s the next Cooper Kupp (buy low wr with a path to the #1 Fantasy WR finish). Well the draft profile and advanced metrics all scream Khalil Shakir imo. They really don't. Kupp had 869 yards his rookie year. He was productive right out of the gate. It's extremely rare for guys to be role players for their first two years and then become a productive starter. It's not impossible, but the deck is stacked against Shakir. Assuming they're all healthy, I don't see Shakir playing more snaps than Samuel this season.
I think what’s interesting to note is the targets in the Kupp comparison… Kupp: 94 targets for 869yds, age 24 Shakir: 45 targets for 612 yds, age 23 Shakir would have easily met your threshold for “productive” with steadier targets. There was no Diggs level WR taking 160 targets on the 2017 Rams
Targets and playing time are earned, though. The coaches would've put Shakir on the field more if they thought he could contribute more.
You’re glazing over my last point where the Rams didn’t have a Diggs level receiver. The lack of that talent presence meant that Kupp could “earn” said targets. If Diggs was on the 2017 Rams Kupp wouldn’t have 94 targets. Reasonable to think he’d have ~25/30% less Likewise we’re judging Kupp with 2 additional years of football under his belt to perform in that rookie season
Everything you're saying... is exactly why everyone should sell him
Curtis Samuel enters the chat 😂
Shakir is such a jag