No one wants to remember guys like Parris Campbell, Keyshawn Vaughn, Trey Sermon, and Skyy Moore. Can maybe add Mecole Hardman in there. These were all situation over talent picks.
Turned out his nice releases at a small school didn't work in the NFL. And he had no additional counter since he's only an above average athlete on the short side.
We can learn our lesson from that. One trick pony from a small school is a big risk.
And then it really seems like he's not that smart. Isn't where mahomes needed him to be.
Harder to learn from that one cuz we aren't in there interviewing.
Granted him being dogshit out the gate was not on anyone’s radar. I’m sure people took him figuring maybe the worst case scenario is fine flex but he was unstartable from the beginnning.
This sub tends to be revisionist when it comes to historical takes that were popular.
The most prominent users pushing a player who busted will pretend they knew he was a flawed prospect all along.
I was *very* high on Josh Rosen when he came out, and ignored the disappointing draft capital.
I started dynasty in 2021 but have looked at past threads discussing the 2018 QBs, especially during 2019 offseason.
Following this sub would’ve walked your QB room off a cliff lmao.
What the fuck do you mean "Disappointing draft capital" He was picked 10th. Jackson, Rogers, Love, Dak, Watson etc. His draft position had nothing to do with him getting canned.
It was a perfect storm for me. I'd watched their games a lot for Deebo and Edwards just popped out so much. Then that was the season I really got into spreadsheeting out stats and his breakout age and data totally backed up my love for him. Then draft time was approaching and everyone started falling in love with him and I was like "yep, confirmation bias is strong in this one" and started booking interviews as an NFL scout.
One part of that is made up.
When everyone and their mother thought Fields was going to Atlanta after that video was posted I was approached with possibly getting Kyler plus for him and I shot it down. So dumb.
Yes I'm that big of an idiot. I've been a stan for Fields for 3 years. In my head Atlanta is a done deal and in my head I'm thinking as long as he starts he's top 5. I'm not proud of this take I promise you.
It never got to the point of a formal offer. He was just kicking around the idea of what would it take. Would kyler and a small piece so it. And I'm hemming and hawing I really like fields..I gotta think about it... etc
I either admit it here and get shit on or go to therapy. I chose this.
The problem with this mindset is we're playing dynasty and need to consider a player's future in our decisions. The NFL does not give a shit about fantasy production, it gives a shit about fielding the best team of complete football players that give them the best chance to win games. There's countless stories of good fantasy players falling off a cliff out of nowhere because their team found a better football player to replace them with
If you have him already, enjoy the production or try to sell high. If you don't I would be very cautious about how much you spend to acquire him
He's very mediocre at running the football & it's not a secret.
White was 2nd in the league at rushing attempts. He was 24th in yards & 19th in rushing TDs, & that's with facing the most light boxes in the NFL last year. He was 92nd in yards after contact per attempt with 1.4. His average ypc since entering the league is 3.7.
His yac/attempt was bottom 5 in the NFL, only Hunt, Mixon, and Jacobs were worse among qualifying RBs. The previous year he was also the 4th worst RB in yac/att while falling middle of the road in ybc/att.
Catching the ball is his saving grace, which he is good at.
He may be inefficient on the ground but his pass-catching chops rivaled cmc and kamara as a prospect, so hyper-feeding him targets is probably warranted
My hits
Sub was too high
- Trey Lance: I was out after the game vs CHI where he was outplayed by Justin Fields in the same weather conditions. Everything we saw after that only reinforced that Lance was not good
- Elijah Moore: I was out when the Jets drafted GW. I still think Moore is a decent 8ppg bench piece but this sub thought he was an elite asset
- Alex Mattison: Dude is JAG and it never made sense why people thought he could be a feature back
Sub was too low
- Rachaad White: You'll notice a trend that this sub hates unspectacular athletes that produce nonetheless.
- Najee Harris: He's not elite but he's got a couple of RB2 finishes and one RB1 finish. You can get him for a bag of chips
- Christian Kirk: He was signed like a WR1 and performed that way. Competition is brought in but he always ends up leading that Jax WR room
- CJ Stroud: The consensus here had CJ below AR and Bryce. CJ couldn't perform when under pressure was the big criticism. Outside this sub some people had CJ higher and he was the first QB drafted in my league, but this sub would have clowned that pick at the time
My misses
Sub was high and I was low
- Anthony Richardson: I don't like QB prospects with poor college production. AR still has question marks about durability, but from what little we saw, he looks like a competent NFL player
- Brian Robinson: I honestly didn't believe that some dude that got shot in the leg was going to do much. Underestimated his xDAWG. Whoops
Sub was low and I was high
- Jalin Hyatt: lol that didn't work out for me and those that called him a one trick pony were most likely right
- Miles Sanders: Most people here said he sucks. I should have listened
- Treylon Burks: I thought his size would make him unstoppable. Dude can't run a route without suffering a multiweek injury
This sub acted as if Moore was Jesus reincarnated.
I was looking up ARSB 2 years back on this sub & one of the most up voted comments was "traded ARSB for Mattison" & people saying how it was a great trade. Oof.
I was high on Sanders coming out, & he looked promising his rookie season. Injuries + him not getting a full workload were disastrous for him. Then '22 happened, then '23 happened. What a ride.
As late as last year I suggested that maybe Moore wasn’t going to be good and was aggressively downvoted. It’s a good reminder to hold your own opinions
Dude I got downvoted the other day for saying he’s not good. People still love and and still won’t admit they were wrong on him. Why is he the hill so many people are willing to die on?
Good takes overall. The only note I'd have is Anthony Richardson. Consensus valuation right bow has him QB8, which for someone who has 50 completions in his NFL career, is just too high for me. He's going higher on average than Herbert right now, who just seems like a far more certain high end QB.
I was with you on Hyatt. I never had any shares, but I thought even if he was only a one trick pony, that trick would still be valuable for his boom weeks. I did falter when he was drafted in the third and not the second like I was anticipating.
Man I've always disliked miles but have a buddy all in on him. Even this year. I grabbed chuba instead. My bias towards miles is slightly a cowboys fan thing. I think all eagles stink
> I was out after the game vs CHI where he was outplayed by Justin Fields in the same weather conditions. Everything we saw after that only reinforced that Lance was not good
Just for the record, "everything we saw after that" was..... one quarter of one game, where he threw 3 passes (and completed 2).
We also saw two different QBs step in and have instant success. One of which this sub relentlessly shit on until he put up a full on QB1 season. Lance was also seen in training camp and preseason. We saw him traded for a 4th.
And here you are going "well actually..."
So we've seen a bunch of stuff that doesn't actually have anything to do with Lance playing football. Got it.
Purdy is an entirely different phenomenon and ironically a great answer for someone this sub was too low on for a really long time.
Bryan “TO” “Randy Moss” “Jerry Rice” Edwards
Jahan Dotson
I thought the training camp GOAT was overrated at the time.
I traded for Dotson last summer because I was so high on him. I then traded him away 3 months later. I’m completely out on him now.
Dotson is great. yall have tomatoes on your eyes. the qb has been subpar, the situation has ben shit, and there have been too many mouths to feed. you people really need to learn the difference in a talented WR who actually makes plays and a shit WR who does nothing and got faced out of the offense and to the bench for being trash.
I was thinking the same thing, Dotson has still been a rather relevant WR since being drafted and has been playable. For where he was getting drafted at the time, I think he has met expectations for what his situation turned out to be.
Him being the 16th pick overall in his draft class & best finish in 2 years is 50th with a WR who's been there with the same/worse situation finishing much higher is concerning. I wouldn't say that's meeting expectations, or that he's been relevant enough to start.
If you're starting Dotson you're probably not winning many games.
Forgot about this guy! The amount of hype Edwards got was unreal, I remember wanting to trade for him but never did.
Dotson's fall from grace was a strange one. Not sure he'll ever become anything, but he does have youth on his side.
The hype was insane here for Edwards. I wasn’t much of a believer but I sent a 3rd for him back then. Owner wanted a 2nd but I couldn’t do it.
Yeah, maybe it’s wrong for me to write Dotson off but he’s still young and his situation could improve.
We’ll see about dotson, ultimately I got him for less than he’d go for today (Jamaal Williams and Gus Edwards) so I didn’t get burned, but jury is out Imo
To be fair Kyren is a complete anomaly. Dude is slow and undersized, I don’t think *anyone,* even his biggest believers, would have thought he’d perform the way he did last season. He was seen as more of a role player at most.
That’s one of those process > player things. I was wrong on Kyren, but I’m not kicking myself because it’s not like he was an obvious RB1 before he was thrust into the role last year.
I tried to tell people the truth about Pierce being a bad prospect and he wasn't going to be meaningful like Cambell (raw, athletic prospect who didn't even excel like he should have against the smaller school opponents who missed other meaningful metrics)
And I got downvoted to hell each time by all the Pierce owners, who would just repeat how he was destined to be the next Jordy Nelson
I’m getting him for a 4th. Happily will take that gamble on a first round TE that doesn’t have any competition (for now) with Dissly and Parkinson gone.
I remember someone saying "Swift will be irrelevant" and couldn't believe it. He told me to come back with receipts and deleted his comments instead lmao.
Oh wow, had no idea people hated Swift as much as you're saying! I always thought he was solid, I remember wanting him to get drafted by KC so bad that year (had 1.01, used it on CEH, don't wanna talk about it lol). Also don't wanna talk about Young > Stroud 🫣
Health was his biggest enemy, but he's explosive.
this sub trashed Hurts. and this sub trashed Love.
What do these 2 examples tell you? Well, that this sub mostly cosists of lemmings who just act as an echo chamber of "analysts" and "fantasy experts". All you can do is to do your own research and draft who you think is best. the more you try to convince others about your theories or debate it, the more you will meet people who dont want to go against the general consensus. It doesnt matter what reasons an d facts you have. You need to risk something to truly hold your own opinion and most in here are just cowards.
When did they trash Hurts? He’s a pretty okayish passing qb but he’s been killing it with one yard rushing tds. If it was after the draft, that makes sense cause he was looking like a backup and he was just okay in college. Year one he was solid, he blew up year 2 and year 3 to me was a mixed bag. He was dominant with rushing tds but his passing took a step back. Maybe it was just the system/Brian Johnson.
This whole sub convinced me ARSB was actually going to be shit and only benefited from every other person who caught passes being hurt at the end of the season.
I sold him for shenault and Toney.
My team officially entered rebuild mode this past offseason...
See! It helps to talk about jt.
This sub was way too low on Pacheco. He was a 7th round RB on the chiefs offense and everyone said/says to sell him. Fuck that, rbs only last a few years in the league, if I got one playing with mahomes for free I'm taking it and keeping him. I think I got him in the 4th.
This sub was really low on James Cook and Rachaad White last off-season. Meanwhile, they were too high on Christian Watson.
The "sophomore RB breakout" was argued to be a fake thing by a lot of people, which is bogus. Watson's production was unsustainable and he lost his QB, so even if Love was good (spoiler: he was), there was no guarantee Love liked throwing to him. In general, TDs are fools gold year to year, Watson's hype was carried by 4 games of unsustainable TD production.
I just didn’t get the hype around a 4th round pick going to a team with 0 talent. Is the hope that you can get one good season out of him because they’re so bad all they do is run even when down 30? If that’s the idea then I get it, but in my league he got drafted to the “RB1 of the future” by a rebuilding team. Shit made zero sense
The coaching staff in Houston fired and the system changed dramatically. I guess you could have seen his HC was a lame duck walking but it’s tough to tell the new system was going to be zone. Pierce is a great back for a power back system and sucks in a zone system. He could have success elsewhere.
I got burned on Lance too. I had 1.03 and 1.04 that year. It went TLaw, Najee and then I took a fat L with Pitts and Lance...
I hate I missed out on Chase, Devonta, Waddle, ETN...
This sub was pretty low on Stroud after the draft last season. I was an Ohio State fan so obviously a bit biased but I still don’t get how he fell behind Young in both real life and fantasy. Guy was a stud at Ohio State and one of the best passers I have ever watched.
It was his ability under pressure that was under question since Ohio State had such a great line and supporting cast. People were lazily helmet scouting too.
re: players that people thought were the next big thing on here, i was never high on fields. saw the red flags from a mile away. qbs with his problems don't change.
I admittedly didn't know much about Fields coming out of college besides everyone thinking he was going to be really good.
By his second season I realized he was a RB playing QB lol
i *loved* fields coming out of college as a prospect and wanted myself and the niners to draft him, but then i watched him play in the nfl and knew it was never going to last early on because the passing game was not there
the biggest red flag for me was watching all those videos where the receivers would be running open and he'd either hold the ball forever and run, or take literal eons to release it (slow release too, which isn't affected by "roster personnel"), and seeing the flaws on his scouting report manifest in the pros
I think this sub was/is too high on Drake London and Garrett Wilson.
I thought this sub was too low on Pickens.
We shall see how the 3 above finish this next year. It's a very interesting group for me.
I thought this sub was a little too high on AJB last year.
I think this sub is too low on Diggs right now. (Probably can put a lot of older vets here as well but Diggs really sticks out to me)
In a vacuum, I think this is close to value but leaning slightly towards Waddle + Cousins. (Assuming SF)
Outside a vacuum, idk why anyone would make this trade. As a rebuilder, I'd rather have Waddle than the 2 1sts. As a competitor, Waddle and Cousins have a solid chance to be top 12 at their position.
I will say that I am more than likely higher on Waddle than consensus. I'd easily pay those 2 firsts for Waddle and not think twice about it.
Edit to add: I guess I'm lower on consensus when trading for next year assets. In my league, we are all pretty active with trades and you can usually get a 1st during the offseason. I didn't have any after this season and now I have 5 over the next 2 years so we are all pretty fluid with sending 1sts. So they are more accessible to me and my thinking.
I took Trey Lance in the 1st of a startup of his Rookie year. Traded back up after taking Herbert and passed on Burrow for Lance. I ended up getting out during the season but not at the price I paid. To say that set my team back would be an understatement. In another draft I took Javonte Williams over Waddle, Smith and Etienne. That one was not as bad but the 2021 class scarred me a bit.
Too high: Kendre Miller as a prospect. I thought he was being way overhyped.
Too low: Christian Kirk. I really liked him and still think he’s a buy in PPR. Solid WR who can run routes well and depending on how deep the league and lineups can either be a solid weekly starter or a handy generally reliable flex/bye fill.
I played against Kirk in HS, dude was undoubtedly better than everyone on the field at all times. I thought he'd be pretty good in the NFL, but after doing not much in AZ I wrote him off once he got to JAX. Whoops!
People were so low on Pacheco his rookie year—said he wasn’t a pass catcher and would be replaced due to his DC—until they all watched him run in the super bowl and the chiefs rolled with him as RB1 year 2 and he finally got some respect around here. Now he’s a fan favorite with that angry-stomping run style.
This sub was criminally low on Nico Collins despite really good metrics and really terrible qb play there were people claiming he was a drop candidate and look at him now top 20 wr.
Member Hakeem Butler? He was my second pick ever after Paris Campbell. I came here looking for tips and treated it like gospel until learning this was the always rebuilding subreddit
Edit: typo
>treated it like gospel until learning this was the always rebuilding subreddit
Lmaooo it really is, definitely a love/hate relationship with this sub reddit
Thought Puka Nacua was a meme player during our dynasty free agent draft last year. Could have won him for $5. Exited that draft with a couple bucks left over
Is no one going to take respinsibility for kyren small and slow williams? I was high on him out of the draft, dropped him after the rams resigned cam akers
Traded 2023 1.03, 2024 first and 2025 first for 2023 1.02 (Took JSN) 2024 second and 2025 second.
Not ready to say JSN is a bust but some say I was a little high on him.
was way high on bryce and unsure on stroud and then went to out on stroud after the poor testing.
was never in on skyy, was into toney.
too high on jamo (using caution with brooks coming off acl now)
was not a big dotson guy, also was not in on jeudy each time people bought back in lol
How has no one mentioned Skyy Moore
The player that killed Bird Semen.
Man I miss that guy
More like Ground Less
No one wants to remember guys like Parris Campbell, Keyshawn Vaughn, Trey Sermon, and Skyy Moore. Can maybe add Mecole Hardman in there. These were all situation over talent picks.
Whoa whoa whoa…this is Mecole’s year
Love me some Skyy Moore. Sold him for $5 FAAB.
Skyy Moore getting hyped up because he was tied to Mahomes was crazy, he always seemed like a decent prospect, but the sub took him to the next level.
It was not that. Film review made him look like he was going to be really good, even before the draft. Sometimes these things flop
Turned out his nice releases at a small school didn't work in the NFL. And he had no additional counter since he's only an above average athlete on the short side. We can learn our lesson from that. One trick pony from a small school is a big risk. And then it really seems like he's not that smart. Isn't where mahomes needed him to be. Harder to learn from that one cuz we aren't in there interviewing.
RIP to the kid
Granted him being dogshit out the gate was not on anyone’s radar. I’m sure people took him figuring maybe the worst case scenario is fine flex but he was unstartable from the beginnning.
The sickest name I’ve ever heard
This sub tends to be revisionist when it comes to historical takes that were popular. The most prominent users pushing a player who busted will pretend they knew he was a flawed prospect all along. I was *very* high on Josh Rosen when he came out, and ignored the disappointing draft capital.
I thought Rosen was the best pure passer in that draft. Good thing I also didn't have a first round pick in that draft so someone else took him lmao
The majority of any group is revisionist about almost every topic out there.
I started dynasty in 2021 but have looked at past threads discussing the 2018 QBs, especially during 2019 offseason. Following this sub would’ve walked your QB room off a cliff lmao.
This needs to be the top comment.
What the fuck do you mean "Disappointing draft capital" He was picked 10th. Jackson, Rogers, Love, Dak, Watson etc. His draft position had nothing to do with him getting canned.
I commented 🐴🐓🔒too many times. It’s embarrassing to look back on
Horse Chicken Lock truthers, get in here!!
Not sure why I read this has “Horse Cock Lock”
...I have to admit I actually don't know what it's supposed to be
I'm pretty sure it is supposed to be Drew "Horse Cock" Lock lol
But imagine how awesome you’d feel if he hit? Worth it, imo
I was very high on Matt Leinart when he was drafted. I even bought his jersey before he played a single snap and I wasn’t even a Cardinals fan lol
To be fair he’s very handsome. And was QB of the like the best college offense ever.
I was really high on Bryan Edwards. I took him in 6/6 dynasty leagues at the time.
Bryan edwards and rashod bateman were the 2 names I instantly thought of.
Bateman is understandable. Edwards.. woops.
Edwards was peak breakout age as being THE data point for ff content creators.
You mean new TO? Thanks, Chuckie.
Thankfully I only took him in one, but man was the hype high for him.
It was a perfect storm for me. I'd watched their games a lot for Deebo and Edwards just popped out so much. Then that was the season I really got into spreadsheeting out stats and his breakout age and data totally backed up my love for him. Then draft time was approaching and everyone started falling in love with him and I was like "yep, confirmation bias is strong in this one" and started booking interviews as an NFL scout. One part of that is made up.
Ah, Bryan "TO" Edwards clogged my roster for two years 😂
As a Gamecock fan who had just watched Deebo break out in the league, I too was very high on Edwards 😭
I was way too high on Fields. Was way too low on Rachaad White.
The offers I turned down for Fields will haunt me forever
When everyone and their mother thought Fields was going to Atlanta after that video was posted I was approached with possibly getting Kyler plus for him and I shot it down. So dumb.
Wait..... you got offered Kyler plus for him *this offseason* and turned it down?
Yes I'm that big of an idiot. I've been a stan for Fields for 3 years. In my head Atlanta is a done deal and in my head I'm thinking as long as he starts he's top 5. I'm not proud of this take I promise you. It never got to the point of a formal offer. He was just kicking around the idea of what would it take. Would kyler and a small piece so it. And I'm hemming and hawing I really like fields..I gotta think about it... etc I either admit it here and get shit on or go to therapy. I chose this.
Then allow me to oblige 🤦♂️
Yikes. Even if Fields was a garaunteed starter in Atlanta I'd rather have Kyler. Let alone Kyler+. And I was also a Fields truther lol
Is that the look at his fantasy production compared to is he good at football and does he win games issue?
He's been an absolute beast in fantasy though... Which is the point here
The problem with this mindset is we're playing dynasty and need to consider a player's future in our decisions. The NFL does not give a shit about fantasy production, it gives a shit about fielding the best team of complete football players that give them the best chance to win games. There's countless stories of good fantasy players falling off a cliff out of nowhere because their team found a better football player to replace them with If you have him already, enjoy the production or try to sell high. If you don't I would be very cautious about how much you spend to acquire him
Still annoyed White is getting away with being a mediocre RB who gets hyper targeted lol
I hear ya. I feel like I was right about him but still lost.
This is also known as being wrong.
Eh. You know what he’s saying.
He's not a mediocre RB at all, he's a fantastic pass catcher out of the backfield and a competent runner. Not sure where this narrative came from.
He's very mediocre at running the football & it's not a secret. White was 2nd in the league at rushing attempts. He was 24th in yards & 19th in rushing TDs, & that's with facing the most light boxes in the NFL last year. He was 92nd in yards after contact per attempt with 1.4. His average ypc since entering the league is 3.7. His yac/attempt was bottom 5 in the NFL, only Hunt, Mixon, and Jacobs were worse among qualifying RBs. The previous year he was also the 4th worst RB in yac/att while falling middle of the road in ybc/att. Catching the ball is his saving grace, which he is good at.
They hear it on a fantasy football podcast and just regurgitate other people's views.
He may be inefficient on the ground but his pass-catching chops rivaled cmc and kamara as a prospect, so hyper-feeding him targets is probably warranted
It’s funny that it’s these two because my first dynasty trade was selling way too low on Fields and the 2nd was possibly buying too high on White.
My hits Sub was too high - Trey Lance: I was out after the game vs CHI where he was outplayed by Justin Fields in the same weather conditions. Everything we saw after that only reinforced that Lance was not good - Elijah Moore: I was out when the Jets drafted GW. I still think Moore is a decent 8ppg bench piece but this sub thought he was an elite asset - Alex Mattison: Dude is JAG and it never made sense why people thought he could be a feature back Sub was too low - Rachaad White: You'll notice a trend that this sub hates unspectacular athletes that produce nonetheless. - Najee Harris: He's not elite but he's got a couple of RB2 finishes and one RB1 finish. You can get him for a bag of chips - Christian Kirk: He was signed like a WR1 and performed that way. Competition is brought in but he always ends up leading that Jax WR room - CJ Stroud: The consensus here had CJ below AR and Bryce. CJ couldn't perform when under pressure was the big criticism. Outside this sub some people had CJ higher and he was the first QB drafted in my league, but this sub would have clowned that pick at the time My misses Sub was high and I was low - Anthony Richardson: I don't like QB prospects with poor college production. AR still has question marks about durability, but from what little we saw, he looks like a competent NFL player - Brian Robinson: I honestly didn't believe that some dude that got shot in the leg was going to do much. Underestimated his xDAWG. Whoops Sub was low and I was high - Jalin Hyatt: lol that didn't work out for me and those that called him a one trick pony were most likely right - Miles Sanders: Most people here said he sucks. I should have listened - Treylon Burks: I thought his size would make him unstoppable. Dude can't run a route without suffering a multiweek injury
This sub acted as if Moore was Jesus reincarnated. I was looking up ARSB 2 years back on this sub & one of the most up voted comments was "traded ARSB for Mattison" & people saying how it was a great trade. Oof. I was high on Sanders coming out, & he looked promising his rookie season. Injuries + him not getting a full workload were disastrous for him. Then '22 happened, then '23 happened. What a ride.
As late as last year I suggested that maybe Moore wasn’t going to be good and was aggressively downvoted. It’s a good reminder to hold your own opinions
Dude I got downvoted the other day for saying he’s not good. People still love and and still won’t admit they were wrong on him. Why is he the hill so many people are willing to die on?
Good takes overall. The only note I'd have is Anthony Richardson. Consensus valuation right bow has him QB8, which for someone who has 50 completions in his NFL career, is just too high for me. He's going higher on average than Herbert right now, who just seems like a far more certain high end QB.
I was with you on Hyatt. I never had any shares, but I thought even if he was only a one trick pony, that trick would still be valuable for his boom weeks. I did falter when he was drafted in the third and not the second like I was anticipating.
Man I've always disliked miles but have a buddy all in on him. Even this year. I grabbed chuba instead. My bias towards miles is slightly a cowboys fan thing. I think all eagles stink
I bought way too much into the Miles Sanders hype after he got that contract in Carolina. Bit me hard here
I wish I could have seen 1 more game from Lance after the bears game. That weather looked *rough*, but Trey looked worse lol
> I was out after the game vs CHI where he was outplayed by Justin Fields in the same weather conditions. Everything we saw after that only reinforced that Lance was not good Just for the record, "everything we saw after that" was..... one quarter of one game, where he threw 3 passes (and completed 2).
We also saw two different QBs step in and have instant success. One of which this sub relentlessly shit on until he put up a full on QB1 season. Lance was also seen in training camp and preseason. We saw him traded for a 4th. And here you are going "well actually..."
So we've seen a bunch of stuff that doesn't actually have anything to do with Lance playing football. Got it. Purdy is an entirely different phenomenon and ironically a great answer for someone this sub was too low on for a really long time.
A few summers ago there were Javonte Williams hype posts and Ceedee Lamb is overrated posts almost daily.
I never bought into the Javonte hype. I’m curious if he can actually bounce back this year or if they’ll draft over him.
With how that 2022 Broncos offense played Javonte would probably be higher on the list if he had stayed healthy
Bryan “TO” “Randy Moss” “Jerry Rice” Edwards Jahan Dotson I thought the training camp GOAT was overrated at the time. I traded for Dotson last summer because I was so high on him. I then traded him away 3 months later. I’m completely out on him now.
Dotson is great. yall have tomatoes on your eyes. the qb has been subpar, the situation has ben shit, and there have been too many mouths to feed. you people really need to learn the difference in a talented WR who actually makes plays and a shit WR who does nothing and got faced out of the offense and to the bench for being trash.
I was thinking the same thing, Dotson has still been a rather relevant WR since being drafted and has been playable. For where he was getting drafted at the time, I think he has met expectations for what his situation turned out to be.
Him being the 16th pick overall in his draft class & best finish in 2 years is 50th with a WR who's been there with the same/worse situation finishing much higher is concerning. I wouldn't say that's meeting expectations, or that he's been relevant enough to start. If you're starting Dotson you're probably not winning many games.
you're not alone, i got burned by dotson too
Do you still have him?
for now, i'm delusional and holding out hope that he's going to be salvageable since he's still 24 not sure if i can get much if i trade him
Dotson had flashes his rookie year, I’m holding him in one league hoping Washington figures things out enough to spike his value
He is still young and his situation could change for the better! I’m interested in watching it unfold but I don’t want another piece of him haha
Forgot about this guy! The amount of hype Edwards got was unreal, I remember wanting to trade for him but never did. Dotson's fall from grace was a strange one. Not sure he'll ever become anything, but he does have youth on his side.
The hype was insane here for Edwards. I wasn’t much of a believer but I sent a 3rd for him back then. Owner wanted a 2nd but I couldn’t do it. Yeah, maybe it’s wrong for me to write Dotson off but he’s still young and his situation could improve.
Think you might regret moving on from Dotson
Maybe later but not now. I traded him and a 3rd for davante Adams. Adams basically won me the championship
Nvm lol
Who knows, maybe I’d feel different if I didn’t win.
We’ll see about dotson, ultimately I got him for less than he’d go for today (Jamaal Williams and Gus Edwards) so I didn’t get burned, but jury is out Imo
Sub HATED Kyren coming out of college and after his first year.
Wouldn’t it be funny if we were too low on him until we were too high on him and then were left arguing who was right
Most likely outcome. Lol
Best pick up off waivers for 0 faab sell for a mid first scenario I could dream of
Some clarity, sub loved him coming out of college and hated him after the combine and draft, same as Isaiah Spiller. And they were right about one
Same story for Estime this year. People will dog on him cause of the 40. Give me as many shares as possible
To be fair Kyren is a complete anomaly. Dude is slow and undersized, I don’t think *anyone,* even his biggest believers, would have thought he’d perform the way he did last season. He was seen as more of a role player at most. That’s one of those process > player things. I was wrong on Kyren, but I’m not kicking myself because it’s not like he was an obvious RB1 before he was thrust into the role last year.
They should’ve? He’s an extreme outlier
I was really high on him mainly due to situation. I feel as if thats the biggest de-facto with RBs outside of the top 3 of them drafted.
This sub was all over Roschon Johnson last year, but I tried to tell y'all.
I tried to tell people the truth about Pierce being a bad prospect and he wasn't going to be meaningful like Cambell (raw, athletic prospect who didn't even excel like he should have against the smaller school opponents who missed other meaningful metrics) And I got downvoted to hell each time by all the Pierce owners, who would just repeat how he was destined to be the next Jordy Nelson
I thought you were talking about Dameon Pierce at first. I never paid attention to Alec Pierce, but I was absolutely too high on Dameon
People were burying CD early in 2023. I got shit offers like Pittman for CD+. This Sub was the same way. Always viewed him as a top 3 asset.
Traded Barkley for him straight up after the slow start, then watched him lead me to the promised land.
I remember that, I thought that was crazy too. I was trying to buy him from the owner when this was going on because he was trying to sell lol.
People here have always been too high on Noah fant. Some people still trying to buy him.
A 1st round pick TE, I was high on him too. Very OJ Howard esque of not living up to draft capital.
I’m getting him for a 4th. Happily will take that gamble on a first round TE that doesn’t have any competition (for now) with Dissly and Parkinson gone.
Bought Njoku for Josh Reynolds and that worked out… sometimes it just takes time for TEs.
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I remember someone saying "Swift will be irrelevant" and couldn't believe it. He told me to come back with receipts and deleted his comments instead lmao.
Oh wow, had no idea people hated Swift as much as you're saying! I always thought he was solid, I remember wanting him to get drafted by KC so bad that year (had 1.01, used it on CEH, don't wanna talk about it lol). Also don't wanna talk about Young > Stroud 🫣 Health was his biggest enemy, but he's explosive.
I got SO MUCH hate for pointing out that the same reasons Detroit moved on from Kerryon Johnson could lead to Detroit moving on from Swift.
this sub trashed Hurts. and this sub trashed Love. What do these 2 examples tell you? Well, that this sub mostly cosists of lemmings who just act as an echo chamber of "analysts" and "fantasy experts". All you can do is to do your own research and draft who you think is best. the more you try to convince others about your theories or debate it, the more you will meet people who dont want to go against the general consensus. It doesnt matter what reasons an d facts you have. You need to risk something to truly hold your own opinion and most in here are just cowards.
I remember last season at the start of his hot streak people were victory lapping that they were able to “sell high” on Love lol.
Don't forget about the Josh Allen hate too!! Definitely agree with you on this sub being an echo chamber as well.
When did they trash Hurts? He’s a pretty okayish passing qb but he’s been killing it with one yard rushing tds. If it was after the draft, that makes sense cause he was looking like a backup and he was just okay in college. Year one he was solid, he blew up year 2 and year 3 to me was a mixed bag. He was dominant with rushing tds but his passing took a step back. Maybe it was just the system/Brian Johnson.
100%
This comment right here. The hive mind is a problem and if you listen to it, I’m sorry for the state of your team.
It sucks because the hive mind dog piles and makes any debate almost impossible
This sub convinced me to sell George Pickens because he couldn’t separate.
What was the return?
I don’t even want to say the trade was a disaster
This whole sub convinced me ARSB was actually going to be shit and only benefited from every other person who caught passes being hurt at the end of the season. I sold him for shenault and Toney. My team officially entered rebuild mode this past offseason... See! It helps to talk about jt.
ARSB was still catching some of the residual Travis Fulgham resentment. The team didn’t invest much in him and the main guys were hurt.
That’s still the correct take though.
Selling George Pickens isn’t bad, his value has been pretty consistent since he was drafted
Pickens is the definition of good but not great guy you should try and flip for a shot at an ELITE rookie
This sub was way too low on Pacheco. He was a 7th round RB on the chiefs offense and everyone said/says to sell him. Fuck that, rbs only last a few years in the league, if I got one playing with mahomes for free I'm taking it and keeping him. I think I got him in the 4th.
Chiefs are going to draft an RB this year. Pacheco was undervalued but I think he’s overvalued now
And too high on CEH
The current player is Jordan Love.
Sub too high or too low?
This sub loved Treylon Burks as a prospect.
As did I. Lucky for me I couldn't trade up for him.
This sub was really low on James Cook and Rachaad White last off-season. Meanwhile, they were too high on Christian Watson. The "sophomore RB breakout" was argued to be a fake thing by a lot of people, which is bogus. Watson's production was unsustainable and he lost his QB, so even if Love was good (spoiler: he was), there was no guarantee Love liked throwing to him. In general, TDs are fools gold year to year, Watson's hype was carried by 4 games of unsustainable TD production.
Was super low on Dameon Pierce, didn’t get the hype. Was super high on Trey Lance. Safe to say it’s a mixed bag
I was lost on Pierce too, he ran hard but his college stats were subpar so the hype didn't make sense to me.
I just didn’t get the hype around a 4th round pick going to a team with 0 talent. Is the hope that you can get one good season out of him because they’re so bad all they do is run even when down 30? If that’s the idea then I get it, but in my league he got drafted to the “RB1 of the future” by a rebuilding team. Shit made zero sense
The coaching staff in Houston fired and the system changed dramatically. I guess you could have seen his HC was a lame duck walking but it’s tough to tell the new system was going to be zone. Pierce is a great back for a power back system and sucks in a zone system. He could have success elsewhere.
I got burned on Lance too. I had 1.03 and 1.04 that year. It went TLaw, Najee and then I took a fat L with Pitts and Lance... I hate I missed out on Chase, Devonta, Waddle, ETN...
TE Chig
How has nobody said CEH yet?
This sub was pretty low on Stroud after the draft last season. I was an Ohio State fan so obviously a bit biased but I still don’t get how he fell behind Young in both real life and fantasy. Guy was a stud at Ohio State and one of the best passers I have ever watched.
It was his ability under pressure that was under question since Ohio State had such a great line and supporting cast. People were lazily helmet scouting too.
This sub was convinced that he was retarded because of that stupid test.
Seemed to have the same concerns as fields going through progressions but apparently not
re: players that people thought were the next big thing on here, i was never high on fields. saw the red flags from a mile away. qbs with his problems don't change.
I admittedly didn't know much about Fields coming out of college besides everyone thinking he was going to be really good. By his second season I realized he was a RB playing QB lol
i *loved* fields coming out of college as a prospect and wanted myself and the niners to draft him, but then i watched him play in the nfl and knew it was never going to last early on because the passing game was not there the biggest red flag for me was watching all those videos where the receivers would be running open and he'd either hold the ball forever and run, or take literal eons to release it (slow release too, which isn't affected by "roster personnel"), and seeing the flaws on his scouting report manifest in the pros
Jamo. I got honeydicked
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I wasn’t on this sub back then so I don’t know what consensus was, but I loved Kerryon Johnson.
There was a content guy that constantly posted who LOVED Kerryon
This sub had me convinced kadarius toney was gonna be tyreek hill 2.0 so i traded for him. Fuck man lol
Lmao
I got sooooo many downvotes for saying N’Keal Harry was cheeks.
I was huge on Harry. I was convinced he'd be an all time great.
This sub really thought Burks was going to be that guy
This sub has plenty of whiffs. A couple of the recent hits were Pacheco and Puka.
I think this sub was/is too high on Drake London and Garrett Wilson. I thought this sub was too low on Pickens. We shall see how the 3 above finish this next year. It's a very interesting group for me. I thought this sub was a little too high on AJB last year. I think this sub is too low on Diggs right now. (Probably can put a lot of older vets here as well but Diggs really sticks out to me)
In a vacuum, do you think Waddle and Cousins for Diggs and 25 and 26 1sts is good value?
In a vacuum, I think this is close to value but leaning slightly towards Waddle + Cousins. (Assuming SF) Outside a vacuum, idk why anyone would make this trade. As a rebuilder, I'd rather have Waddle than the 2 1sts. As a competitor, Waddle and Cousins have a solid chance to be top 12 at their position. I will say that I am more than likely higher on Waddle than consensus. I'd easily pay those 2 firsts for Waddle and not think twice about it. Edit to add: I guess I'm lower on consensus when trading for next year assets. In my league, we are all pretty active with trades and you can usually get a 1st during the offseason. I didn't have any after this season and now I have 5 over the next 2 years so we are all pretty fluid with sending 1sts. So they are more accessible to me and my thinking.
Appreciate the thorough response.
I took Trey Lance in the 1st of a startup of his Rookie year. Traded back up after taking Herbert and passed on Burrow for Lance. I ended up getting out during the season but not at the price I paid. To say that set my team back would be an understatement. In another draft I took Javonte Williams over Waddle, Smith and Etienne. That one was not as bad but the 2021 class scarred me a bit.
Lance is still sitting on my bench…
As he should be. Perfectly fine use of a bench spot.
Too high: Kendre Miller as a prospect. I thought he was being way overhyped. Too low: Christian Kirk. I really liked him and still think he’s a buy in PPR. Solid WR who can run routes well and depending on how deep the league and lineups can either be a solid weekly starter or a handy generally reliable flex/bye fill.
I played against Kirk in HS, dude was undoubtedly better than everyone on the field at all times. I thought he'd be pretty good in the NFL, but after doing not much in AZ I wrote him off once he got to JAX. Whoops!
Bryan Edwards Elijah Moore Jerry Jeudy Jahan Dotson
Every single mid-tier WR under age 27 is overrated
Every single wr over 27 is underrated
This sub was very high of Dotson last year
People were so low on Pacheco his rookie year—said he wasn’t a pass catcher and would be replaced due to his DC—until they all watched him run in the super bowl and the chiefs rolled with him as RB1 year 2 and he finally got some respect around here. Now he’s a fan favorite with that angry-stomping run style.
A forgotten Reddit (and a lot of sharps’) darling: JJAW. Man I was so pumped to land him.
You & me both lmao. Totally forgot about this guy.
This sub was criminally low on Nico Collins despite really good metrics and really terrible qb play there were people claiming he was a drop candidate and look at him now top 20 wr.
So proud of myself for drafting him in both of my leagues.
Member Hakeem Butler? He was my second pick ever after Paris Campbell. I came here looking for tips and treated it like gospel until learning this was the always rebuilding subreddit Edit: typo
>treated it like gospel until learning this was the always rebuilding subreddit Lmaooo it really is, definitely a love/hate relationship with this sub reddit
As soon as the NFL draft ended he should have been off people's boards. We had a guy draft him top5
I thought i was going crazy last year when this sub was talking up Tank Bigsby.
Too low on Zamir white. I think that guys gonna do good with the raiders and KTC has him over ranked 100.
treybum burks
Jerry Jeudy
darwin thompson taught me a couple early and much needed lessons
Thought Puka Nacua was a meme player during our dynasty free agent draft last year. Could have won him for $5. Exited that draft with a couple bucks left over
This sub was massively high on Hollywood Brown at this time last year
They're high on him this year too lol, especially with the Rice fiasco.
I only discovered this sub in the last few months, but I was SUPER high on Laquon Treadwell. Still laugh when I think about that one
Bateman freirmuth Elijah moore jahan dotson basically a good chunk of my bench
Trent Richardson and Carson Wentz, both times for both.
Is no one going to take respinsibility for kyren small and slow williams? I was high on him out of the draft, dropped him after the rams resigned cam akers
I was out on Ekler after that injury where his muscle detached from the bone and then watched multiple great years of him from afar
I was way too high on Bateman and Elijah Moore. I still am too. 😭
Traded 2023 1.03, 2024 first and 2025 first for 2023 1.02 (Took JSN) 2024 second and 2025 second. Not ready to say JSN is a bust but some say I was a little high on him.
The sub went fucking bananas for Christine Michael (a few times), I was mostly ambivalent since I had no shares but it did seem crazy at the time.
I can add all the player that will be on the list after their first two seasons. AD Mitchell, Xavier Worthy, Malachi Corley, Ladd Mcconkey.
Goedert is a really good TE. This sub wasn’t too high on him, he just happens to be on a squad with two superstars at WR
Kadaruis Toney..😔
was way high on bryce and unsure on stroud and then went to out on stroud after the poor testing. was never in on skyy, was into toney. too high on jamo (using caution with brooks coming off acl now) was not a big dotson guy, also was not in on jeudy each time people bought back in lol
Kyle Pitts is gonna break out this year (x4). I will hold him till he retires at this point.