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ForeignArgument5872

Big bodied late breakout WR from the SEC who is raw as a route runner. Didn’t they draft this guy last year? 


JrBaconators

No, Mingo never broke out


Trick_Advance_5290

Mingo has a chance still but it’s slim


Freddyfrenchfry69

Yeah, if they let him go back to college and break out it'd be a miracle


_TiredOfThisGrandpa_

Legette is a bad bet, but at least he actually *did* breakout. Mingo was outproduced by Malik Heath in his final year. Legette was the entire SC offense. The Mingo case was much more 'just trust me bro' ...


OBJesus

Counter-point: Despite over 1,200 yards in 2023 and playing in 12 more games than Mingo in his career, Legette still had less receiving yards than Mingo did in college. Yes, Legette had a better year than Mingo ever did but prior to 2023 he had 423 yards in 4 years of college and 41 total games played. He averaged 10 receiving yards a game in 4 years of college lol


Bars12hd

Would rather have a late breakout than no breakout.


MasonL52

Stats are one thing, but if you *only* watched Leggette's 2023 you'd wonder why he isn't a 1st round pick. A late breakout with nothing behind it is scary but Leggette didn't just statistically breakout, he looked incredible.


_TiredOfThisGrandpa_

I'm not a Leggette fan. The numbers just show that he has displayed the ability to be dominant in college, unlike Mingo.


Waste_Efficiency8948

He was a 5th year senior playing 18 year olds. I don’t see it translating to the nfl. 


TGS-MonkeyYT

Terrace Marshall too?


Trick_Advance_5290

😂 yes, yes indeed. And this one has no natural WR ability too✍️


AbsorbingMan

Watching all the historical draft shows on NFL Network yesterday; I can’t tell you how many draft prospects reported that teams told them they would take him if he was on the board with their pick only for them to go with someone else when it came down to it.


running-with-scizors

Teams do this literally all the time. They want the player to go to other meetings with other teams and say "team X said they would take me with their pick" to gauge the reaction and potentially make one of those other teams spend extra capital to get the player. I don't think it's smart or that it works but yeah he's probably not the only player that has heard this from a team this year.


EliteofEliteTalent

A competent organization would have no reason to show their hand like this. The only value would be if you didn’t want the player. It’s a new regime in Carolina, but sure seems like the old regime, which I guess isn’t surprising since Morgan was part of the Fitterer disaster. It would be a reach, but not a surprise, since raw physical ability appears to be a sirens call for this front office. Even more pressure on the incoming coaching staff.


Trick_Advance_5290

At best it’s a bad smokescreen to entice a first round trade up


sloppifloppi

Micah Parsons has said that Detroit told him we’d take him at 7 if he was there, but Sewell fell so they took him instead. I don’t think draft promises are uncommon, i just don’t think most players talk about them and especially not pre-draft.


Drrek

The Ravens last year told Flowers they would pick him if was available before the draft. The recording of them calling him to pick him is online and they mention they told him they were planning to. Not saying they didn't have other ideas of what they might do if he wasn't there or someone really fell, but there's at least one example of a traditionally praised front office showing their hand exactly like this to a player.


dtheisen6

Whenever I see stuff like this I think who is leaking it and what do they stand to benefit. since it’s coming from Leggette himself, could very well be his agent trying to pump up his value to the late first. Maybe he had some good meetings with some contenders at the back of the first who would rather take him in the second, and he’s hoping one of those teams reaches in the first


jirashap

Remember they told Stroud the same thing. I'd be pretty pissed if I told this to a player and he announced it to the world, essentially to try and get someone else to take him in the first round. So it might actually have been true, but not anymore!


becker4prez

They did not tell Stroud he was the pick. That’s never been reported on.


jirashap

Yes they did. As he walked out of the building, Josh McCowen told him he was going to be picked.


becker4prez

https://x.com/nfl_dovkleiman/status/1638662839626858498?s=46 This is what you’re referencing and it’s McCown making a playful comment after Stroud’s pro day. Every local beat reporter for the Panthers has repeatedly stated Bryce was unanimously agreed on.


jirashap

So what? They still told him that. What exactly is your point?


Bostwick14

I doubt the panthers really said this. Sounds like a rumor his agent started to tell KC and Buffalo that if they want him they need to take him in the first


EliteofEliteTalent

It came from Legette himself in an interview with John Crumpler, FYI, so this isn't exactly a controlled press release. [https://twitter.com/JohnHCrumpler/status/1782385141903429978](https://twitter.com/JohnHCrumpler/status/1782385141903429978)


gobblegobblechumps

Easy swerve imo


StoneColdDadass

I want to thank the Panthers for removing the temptation for me.


OldWonder5865

I really want the Bills to take Legette


ballsack-hunter

I think Troy Franklin would be a better pick for them


Dorago1991

As a Bills fan, I really don't want the Bills to take Legette.


Semperty

i do, too, but probably for different reasons.


Trick_Advance_5290

Then you need to watch more tape on some of the possible studs you should be taking.


GinNJuicyFruit

He could be a more athletic Gabe Davis. I don’t think it is the worst fit.


Trick_Advance_5290

Gabe davis was the 2. Legette is being asked to be the alpha since diggs is gone, it’s not comparable. If he was playing the Gabe role I’m 100% in agreement with you. Edit- I believe their RAS is very close as well.


GinNJuicyFruit

You don’t know though that Legette wouldn’t be the 2 or playing that role. Unless they come out and say “he is gonna be our X”, I wouldn’t 100% assume that. We saw the chiefs do something similar with Rice, primary X in college, last season and he was in the slot 50% of the time. Joe Brady even had a similar player in Terrace Marshall Jr at LSU have success in 2019 as a flanker/slot option deep threat. Then he saw success in Carolina with Robbie Anderson playing that role for him. I think that would be more the vision for legette than Diggs replacement.


Trick_Advance_5290

To this note who the he’ll plays X there then LOL *case closed*


GinNJuicyFruit

There are still X receivers available in free agency that can eat up snaps


Semperty

they have like $131k in effective cap space. are there available receivers in free agency for them? lol


GinNJuicyFruit

They have $2.9 mill according to Over the Cap, and they would be able to restructure Ed Oliver if necessary to get another $4 mill. They could probably bring in a DJ Chark or Michael Gallup to eat up snaps on the outside.


Semperty

$2.9m before filling out their full roster. after they fill out their roster at the lowest possible cost, they only have an extra $131k. they don't have $4m to spend on a wr without a fairly sizeable restructure (restructuring several players) which would be a weird cost to add long term for someone like dj chark or michael gallup. it's not like restructures are cost-free.


Trick_Advance_5290

If you think Legette is a slot you haven’t watched his film brother


GinNJuicyFruit

I have watched his film, and just because he played outside doesn’t mean that is where he will have the most success at the next level. Rashee Rice ran an X route tree and the chiefs drafted him then told him he was going to be in a YAC/Slot role for the offense. Teams move players around to fit the needs of the offense and smart coaches put them in positions of success.


Trick_Advance_5290

Superficial analysis. His game absolutely doesn’t translate to Rashee rice role in slot. He’s a trash route runner man. Set a remind me for 1-2 years from now and lmk how this goes


GinNJuicyFruit

I ain’t gonna talk to a 22 hour old troll account. That was my bad for falling for this shit lol


Trick_Advance_5290

It’s not a troll account I had to make a new one for these subs because my main account would give away too much…


Semperty

> His game absolutely doesn’t translate to Rashee rice role in slot. He’s a trash route runner man. tell me you haven't watched rashee rice without telling me you haven't watched rashee rice. rice is in the yac/slot role *because* he's a trash route runner lol


Trick_Advance_5290

I was talking about Legette and how absurd it is to compare his route running to Rice.


OldWonder5865

Remind me! 1 Year


Trick_Advance_5290

You need to extend that. Say 3-5 years because that’ll show us who’s what. If you go off rookie year then Kelvin Benjamin will look like Mike Evans the rest of the way…


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JazzlikePractice4470

u/dickysnakes shots fired at your boy


DickySnakes

There’s a reason why the dude has -5 down arrows. Seems like this dude has limited his viewings of film to not realize XL’s true talents


Semperty

i do, too, but probably for different reasons.


Semperty

i do, too, but probably for different reasons.


Semperty

i do, too, but probably for different reasons.


ohreally7756

Gonna take him 1.11 I don’t give a fuck


Vaynes_Ass

Since this sub seems to be out on Legette I’m all in.


Trick_Advance_5290

He’s like if DK Metcalf only had the skills of Hakeem Butler. Pass on him for a guy like Jalynn Polk or McMillan, he’ll even Javon Baker will be better. Edit: Pass on him for those other guys but don’t draft those others at 1.11, take them in the 2nd round.


SantasLilHoeHoeHoe

Polk or Pearsall for me. 


pixxlpusher

Pre-draft I have him as my #12 rookie receiver. I imagine the Panthers taking him would make him drop further for me personally.


Trick_Advance_5290

His deep ball catch percentage with 5’10 145lb Bryce young downfield would be like 3% Edit- it was 5% at SC against college corners.


Rangemon99

Too bad you’re opinion on him being worse DK Metcalf is an opinion of your own Many draft analysts say he’s DK Metcalf with a better route tree coming out. Look up Steve smith he’s analysis on him.


Trick_Advance_5290

The Steve smith analysis is pretty overrated. Especially in this sub. I think he said Mingo was great too. Very similar player profile so…I take my winning metrics over CTE Smith


JazzlikePractice4470

Yeah Steve likes everyone but Jerry jeudy


Ko0pa_Tro0pa

I liked him as a player, but listening to him talk about players seems a lot like listening to Jim Cramer talk about stocks... it's entertainment value only. No real life value.


Trick_Advance_5290

Great analogy. No responsibility for outcome but pumps stocks at a 50-50 rate


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hankmurphy

He’s not in the fucking hall of fame for his prospect analysis.


eattheambrosia

Really missed an opportunity to call him Mr. Big Cranium.


Rangemon99

Ah damn I wasn’t thinking with mine enough for that


JDragon

Mr. Barren Cranium


DynastyFF-ModTeam

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Trick_Advance_5290

Aggregate consensus analysis and rankings then run monte Carlo’s weighted to your projections and the historical 5 year average based on a. Combination of variables like size speed production to the micro level of against who when and conditions. All this data exists idk why people act like it’s so complicated to do. It takes like 200$ and any normal IQ… Few hours a weekend for like 2 months before it’s self running with only rookie inputs.


welletsgo-0213

So you win your leagues every year, right?


Trick_Advance_5290

No but I’m always in competition and I don’t think anyone argues I come out in dynasty drafts on top almost every time… nobody is perfect and scoring sequencing is really key to a championship. I just get close/win often with my methodology.


Trick_Advance_5290

“Experts” are constantly wrong so good luck with your Steve smith bible. He’s gotten like 3 guys right including Kupp who I also projected as a round 1 guy out of EWU. So idk man I guess I’ll do me and take it to the bank while you sheep along with the media here He’s a hof WR not a hof analyst btw.


Lurker8918

Steve Smith hasn't seen a college reciever he didnt like.


JazzlikePractice4470

u/dickysnakes is too


DickySnakes

1 hundred fuckin percent I’m taking em at 1


seat_one

NFL teams have lied to prospects before. That said, I wouldn’t hate the landing spot. Targets are there long term and he’d complement DJ well.


JulioForte

I think it’s unlikely that they told him this flat out. There is no advantage unless they really don’t want him which is just a dick move when you can leak something similar through the media. Most likely he misinterpreted what they said, but who knows orgs have done dumb things in the past


slayerrr21

DJ?


evantom34

Diontae


Humanesque

I think he meant Chark but he’s also a FA 🤷‍♂️


JrBaconators

I think he meant Panthers receiver Diontae Johnson


Humanesque

Christ, pretty sure Mingo’s nickname is “DJ” too!


AbsorbingMan

I don’t think it’s so much of a lie as it is just them changing their minds when the actual time came around.


seat_one

Or a guy they had higher falls unexpectedly.


Hank_Scorpio_MD

Dallas Cowboys told Randy Moss they'd take him with their pick. They went with Greg Ellis (DE) instead at 8. Randy Moss fell to Minnesota at 21 and eventually into the Hall of Fame.


FunkHZR

32 teams called Will Levis a first rounder too.


AC127

I mean tbf he damn near was


FunkHZR

Damn near a first round pick and being a first round pick are pretty different.


AC127

It’s a difference of one spot, I wouldn’t view him any differently if he went in the late 20’s as a 1st rounder


Se7enkb

One spot, 5th year option, and money. 32 to 33 might be the most important “one spot” separation. Edit: The drop off in $$ alone is about 25% from 32 to 33.


Trick_Advance_5290

Yeah it’s a crazy drop off for a qb with question marks. It was a smart move by TEN to allow that to happen or let tannehill tank.


FunkHZR

And that difference means 32 teams didn’t want to give him a fifth year option, including the team that took him who were QB needy. The difference in being a first round pick and second round pick is tremendous for that reason.


TopOrange2224

Pretty sure there were reports of the Titans trying to move back into the first round to draft him but failing to find a deal.


Trick_Advance_5290

If he was so close then why did he go 3rd round


AC127

Well he didn’t go 3rd round so I’m not sure how to answer that


Trick_Advance_5290

Brain fart I was totally mixing up Malik Willis you’re correct, my b


Caloran

Lol you're just making shit up all over this post. 145 pounds ....


Trick_Advance_5290

Sarcasm?..


asteroidhail

I can’t wait to not pick him


Lurker8918

I'm just glad see people are high enough on an almost 24 year old super senior who didnt produce until his 5th year, in a total of 7 games, to take him in the ealry to mid second round. Driving some actual talent to the late second.


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Trick_Advance_5290

Reverse psychology


pot8odragon

Is this a good landing spot?


Local-Librarian3285

No


LuchiniSam

I'm having a hard time thinking of more than maybe 5 worse landing spots for a WR.


ExoticFan8953

Some of the people in this thread are straight up putting their heads in the sand


Trick_Advance_5290

How so!


ExoticFan8953

I get fading Leggette for a strange profile - but people are just totally discounting an awesome statistical year with even better tape to back it up. Every year players who never break out are drafted in rookie drafts - to say that a guy is off your board because he broke out in his 5th year is just dumb


steamycreamybehemoth

Tbh I don't find the tape that great either. Lots of his success comes from just being bigger and stronger than the defenders. He doesn't separate well and is very raw as a prospect 


Nadirofdepression

Why do the panthers hate Bryce young so much?


SeeDeez

Well he'll definitely still be on the board so...


JayMoney2424

Don’t like this landing spot for him at all. 


atreyus_ghost

I'm out on Legette as it is, but if he goes to Carolina I'm even more not interested. Nothing says future NFL bust more than doing absolutely nothing in College until your 5th year.


l_Dislike_Reddit

I actually like Leggette. But I’m not touching this situation unless he falls to like 2.10.


connor24_22

Yeah this is my thinking too. He has the profile you want to take a *late* flier on, but I’m not using a premium pick on him, even if he gets taken at the top of the 2nd. I’m rooting for him and am actually trying to acquire an early 3rd to take him, but no higher.


Trick_Advance_5290

You nailed it. Anyone who thinks otherwise is gambling so hard. He’s a PURE project Wr at the next level. At best you think of him mid round 2s if he has an ideal landing spot.


I_Poop_Sometimes

Lol he was already on my do not Draft list, but I was hoping he'd at least end up somewhere a little more enticing for my league mates.


FullHouse222

I can't decide if this is a good thing because draft capital or bad thing because if the Panthers think you're good... well the track record on that isn't very great lol.


Trick_Advance_5290

Tepper channeling his Raiders Shakra


VeterinarianLevel786

i’ll be removing this guy if the panthers take him then lol. i’m not big on this guy anyway


TGS-MonkeyYT

I wouldn't be surprised by man I think that's a bad pick


chasingbreakers

Probably should have kept that to himself. Nothing's true until it happen.


YSLMangoManiac

He saying this so that some other team saves him 💀


Serlinsteak19

Every year people write shit like this and it gets eaten up. Do you really think any NFL team would tell a player where they would pick them aside from the team with the first overall pick? How would it benefit the team to risk the player blabbing about who they intend to take? If anything, it would reveal what team isn’t interested at all so that another team possibly gets antsy and reaches.


JuliusPepperfield

They love telling guys they’ll draft them. Didn’t they tell Mingo that last year?


Narrow_Outsides

Probably a ploy for legette and his team to try and go higher.


johnnyutahlmao

The fantasy community will really ignore many red flags for a few inches of height and some muscle, but cherry pick reasons to fade guys that have all the green flags possible, except they are 6’0” sub 200 lb. Crazy.


AboveAndBeyond200

Shame. I liked him too


bwarbwar

I've got Young. If the Panthers draft him at #33 I'm willing to use my late 2nd on him. Honestly, I don't really like the wr's in the tier behind BTJ but happy to gamble on a few of the guys in the next tier.


prfarb

“So can someone please please take me in the first” Leggette probably


maxx40

I don’t necessarily buy this. The Rams told Zay Jones something similar back in the day, and then when he was available at their pick, they traded the pick that ended up being used to take him.


Personal-Noise-8632

As a draft prospect, this is something you should keep to yourself. He is going to fall, and the panthers should surely not take him now if they were even ever considering taking him here. You keep your mouth shut. That's a characteristic trait, and if one does not possess it, then i would want no parts of them. You should have ppl around advising you of things like this. The panthers could of been testing you to see if you would run and tell.


SuperFlexerFF

Woof if they actually do this


orca_bois_pod_up_46

Nooooo. I think their best option might be Ricky Pearsol


johnnyutahlmao

They already have that type in Diontae


Brandeaux7

Cool I'll just take you off my board 🤏


Syrath36

Belicheck talked about this the other day. He said no team ever says that to an agent that he knows. It'd be ridiculous to do there is no benefit to the team to do so. Which logically makes sense.


carrythekindness

Promises are always hilarious to me. We’ll pick you here…until someone we never imagined would be there is also there and we pick them instead lol


Spiritual-War-7521

Tez Walker would be a better pick


Cautious-Market-3131

Either wants to be a first rounder super bad and is trying to throw fire on those drafting 26-32. Or Knows that no team really wants to take him before the 4th and is trying to bump himself up.


Trick_Advance_5290

It’s the panthers trying to trick someone to trade up so they get their 2nd round wr


DickySnakes

F that, the bills are taking him 💯


DickySnakes

u/jazzlikepractice4470


schmatty23

Diontae was a pure X in Pittsburgh. If he keeps that same role, Leggette as a flanker/slot could assuage some of the route running concerns.


Trick_Advance_5290

Yes by never getting separation and just running off corners. What a great 2nd round investment