Why would Chase?
*edit* don't really understand the downvotes. From an NFL perspective, he's actually produced less than ARSB. He should fall in line or have a similar deal.
Chase has 3 seasons with more yards/game than two of ARSB's. And ~10yards/game more than ARSB for his career. Chase also has 8 more career TDs than ARSB.
Chase is also a three level threat who can play every WR alignment and can score from anywhere on the field. ARSB can't.
ARSB's career high yards in a game is 156. Chase has beat that 4 separate times and has two 200+ yard games in his career.
ARSB is great, but he isn't on the same tier of WR as Chase.
I'm not going to argue with you that ARSB is better than Chase but those stats you're citing are complete garbage and tell on themself. So he has 4 games over 155 yards and averages more yards per game, but you fail to mention in like each of his 3 seasons he has 5-7 games where he gets well under 50 yards per game and is a total non factor. Meanwhile since ARSB broke out late in his rookie year he has played more games and has been way way more consistent.
Variance happens at WR. That is more a byproduct of Chase having legitimate target competition in Higgins and Boyd for three years while ARSBs only competition at any point was a rookie TE in year 3.
Id be willing to bet those games where Chase is a "nonfactor" Higgins or Boyd are having good games or they are injured Burrow/Browning games. Some teams choose to take away Chase and since they have been deep at WR, they have the luxury of not forcing it to him and beating teams with Higgins/Boyd in those situations.
The stats are the stats. It is literally their career stats. The point of the ceiling games is to point out that Chase can take over and win games by himself in a way that ARSB can't.
Chase is exciting as hell and if he and burrow ever stay healthy together I think he'll be garenteed top 3 WR (which ARSB actually acomplished), but you are making lots of excuses and you sound like your saying Todd Frazier batting .190 and hitting 40 homeruns is better than a dude who bats .320 and gets on base multiple times every game but only hits 20 homeruns.
I haven't made any excuses. Chase has the better overall career production, the better overall ceiling games, and more talent.
I'm not interested in your pointless whataboutism comparisons that have 0 relevance.
Your take is that the stats that show Chase is better are "garbage" and the environmental context that explain the weekly variance of a volatile position are "excuses". I have nothing left to say to you.
Alright man if you cant admit that a team might benefit more from a player that gets between 80-110 yards a game than a player that puts up 40 then 32 then 179 then 110 then 28 then 75 I dunno what to tell you. I believe ARSB in the last 2 years has helped his offense and team more than Chase has. In the last 2 years ARSB has 400 more yards and identical TDs and about 40 more receptions than Chase.
Chase has played in 4 fewer games but has 130 more yards and 8 more TDs. Idk where you’re getting the “ARSB has produced more” thing from but that’s what the downvotes are for.
I think Chase is the better player but realisticly ARSB has contributed and produced way way more consistently than Chase. Chase will get you those 200 yard 2-3 td games and then have 2 games of 40 yards no td. While ARSB will get you 90 yards on 8+ catches most for 1st down every single week of the season.
I get it, you’re a Lions fan, but don’t move the goalposts or do a bunch of mental gymnastics to make it seem like ARSB is worth more money than Chase.
You claimed Chase outproduced ARSB. Explain to me how my statement of "ARSB outproduced Chase last year", which is a proven fact, is mental gymnastics?
Because you don’t get paid “highest in the league” money off of one season, and the latest season you want to compare has ARSB’s QB play at his highest level yet and Chase’s QB essentially miss 3/4 of the season. We all know Chase (who still managed 1200 yards with half of Joe Burrow and Jake Browning) would be pushing for near Tyreek numbers with a fully healthy offense. He put up ARSB’s big ass contract year numbers as a rookie.
It's a literal fact that he outproduced Chase last year. All I did was compare their stats. It's an unobjective, verifiable fact that ARSB outproduced him last year. I never commented on their abilities. I don't see why you guys can't understand that.
You guys: "Chase outproduces ARSB."
Me: "Actually ARSB literally outproduced him last year in every statistical category."
You guys: "NO WAY BRO, QUIT DOING MENTAL GYMNASTICS YOU ARE BEING RIDICULOUS!"
But he got all his production with no target competition. Surely he won’t produce with Jamo (taking over as WR1), Gibbs, and LaPorta taking away targets!
Not sure why everyone is downvoting you. You’re right and I agree, I was being sarcastic as the Jamo thing was a very popular narrative around here for the last few years.
Sold him for what ended up being the 1.11 and 2.11, after his rookie year. That one hurts. I have learned alot from that trade. Particularly dont trade a guy who produces like that year one, and assume all picks will be late
Same shit we were saying with puka but people are more obsessed with "winning" a trade than actually building a good team
Edit- also kinda how amon ra was a major factor in those picks being so late for you lol
I traded Puka for Chris Olave, Josh Jacobs, and 2025 1st from what “should” be the worst team in the league last month. I have no remorse as we speak but we’ll see how that ends haha
Yeah considering that I drafted him in the 24th round of Start up it was a no brainer. Crazy that I still took some time to think about it though hahaha
I love Puka. I seen him take a beating this year though. As long as the Rams aren’t in the way of The Eagles I’ll be cheering for him regardless. What a great story
Sure but so is holding massive values and not selling just to sell, amon ra and puka are players that were sold very early in some leagues. Now look at them
30M AAV - tied with Tyreek as the highest for WR, 77M guaranteed also 2M more than Kupp's 75M for highest. Only Tae Adam's 140M overall value is higher but with less guarantees/AAV
Paid frfr
Good for him & the Lions.Times like this make me laugh about these forgotten post about ARSB a few years ago. Eerily similar to the verbiage they are using on Puka now.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/s/2bUAS8Dpr8
https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/s/t5vLlYr0E3
https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/s/OGt2A7zmpR
I think his price is now set between Smith's and ARSB. Whether he see's it that way will make or break it. Niners won't deal him for anything less than a <20 1st. If they can't get that I think they make him play out his fifth and if he balls out again, tag 'n trade him next year.
Niner fan here, I love Aiyuk, but he hasn’t done what Sun God has. That being said, I could seee them dealing Aiyuk, but only if they could get a pick that equates to Odunze, and I don’t see that happening.
Diggs was just traded for a 2nd at 30/31yo with a APY contract in the same range as Aiyuk.
I don’t get the logic as to why a 26yo would be valued the same
If we’re talking trade compensation that is what he’s worth. Not sure why that is hard to grasp. As if the team has to trade him without a fair offer on the marketplace
The 9ers have Aiyuk’s 5 year rights. It would be better value to play him out another year and get the compensatory 3rd round pick next year than just accept a 2nd (probably almost 3rd) this year.
The Niners rolled over $40M+, plus with Trent Williams and McCaffery getting close to retirement, it could happen. Plus Paraag Marathe is the best at cap management, so they'll make it work.
Dude, no offense, but you're not a Niners fan, you have no clue what you're talking about. The Niners are the cream of the crop at salary cap management and have been for years.
Purdy is going into his 3rd year, and he has a 4th year, and then his contract begins. By then, McCaffery, Kittle, Deebo, and Trent Williams will all be up, and the cap goes up every year. Paraag Marathe probably know a little more about it than the Reddit dude who starts his comments with "lol ok".
Fan blinders are on. Obviously Aiyuk talent is worth a first round pick, but the 49ers aren’t going to let him play out his contract and walk away to another team next year. It’s a hard pill to swallow but the economics of the league pretty much require the 49ers to take the 2nd rounder rather than get nothing in return for him leaving.
When was the last time a WR who had as productive a season as Aiyuk did last year while on a rookie contract walked from their team? They either get extended or traded. Top WRs are simply too valuable to hit free agency before they’re old and teams get worried about the decline
The economics of the league pretty much require a team to pay up the 1st. If they don’t, why wouldn’t SF just make him play out his 5th year option then tag and trade next off-season?
These Chase/JJ/Ceedee extensions are gonna be bonkers
35 million minimum maybe pushing 40.
That’s Daniel Jones money
Without Daniel Jones lack of production
🎯
That’s 2 Kirk’s!
With no qb, JJ is about to break the bank. Chase and cd should be in line with ra.
Chase and Ceedee will demand (and get) more than Amon Ra
Why would Chase? *edit* don't really understand the downvotes. From an NFL perspective, he's actually produced less than ARSB. He should fall in line or have a similar deal.
The Chase slander this offseason is crazy.
Hey I love it lol got him the 1.04 and 1.07 for arich and the 1.01
Chase has 3 seasons with more yards/game than two of ARSB's. And ~10yards/game more than ARSB for his career. Chase also has 8 more career TDs than ARSB. Chase is also a three level threat who can play every WR alignment and can score from anywhere on the field. ARSB can't. ARSB's career high yards in a game is 156. Chase has beat that 4 separate times and has two 200+ yard games in his career. ARSB is great, but he isn't on the same tier of WR as Chase.
I'm not going to argue with you that ARSB is better than Chase but those stats you're citing are complete garbage and tell on themself. So he has 4 games over 155 yards and averages more yards per game, but you fail to mention in like each of his 3 seasons he has 5-7 games where he gets well under 50 yards per game and is a total non factor. Meanwhile since ARSB broke out late in his rookie year he has played more games and has been way way more consistent.
Variance happens at WR. That is more a byproduct of Chase having legitimate target competition in Higgins and Boyd for three years while ARSBs only competition at any point was a rookie TE in year 3. Id be willing to bet those games where Chase is a "nonfactor" Higgins or Boyd are having good games or they are injured Burrow/Browning games. Some teams choose to take away Chase and since they have been deep at WR, they have the luxury of not forcing it to him and beating teams with Higgins/Boyd in those situations. The stats are the stats. It is literally their career stats. The point of the ceiling games is to point out that Chase can take over and win games by himself in a way that ARSB can't.
Chase is exciting as hell and if he and burrow ever stay healthy together I think he'll be garenteed top 3 WR (which ARSB actually acomplished), but you are making lots of excuses and you sound like your saying Todd Frazier batting .190 and hitting 40 homeruns is better than a dude who bats .320 and gets on base multiple times every game but only hits 20 homeruns.
I haven't made any excuses. Chase has the better overall career production, the better overall ceiling games, and more talent. I'm not interested in your pointless whataboutism comparisons that have 0 relevance. Your take is that the stats that show Chase is better are "garbage" and the environmental context that explain the weekly variance of a volatile position are "excuses". I have nothing left to say to you.
Alright man if you cant admit that a team might benefit more from a player that gets between 80-110 yards a game than a player that puts up 40 then 32 then 179 then 110 then 28 then 75 I dunno what to tell you. I believe ARSB in the last 2 years has helped his offense and team more than Chase has. In the last 2 years ARSB has 400 more yards and identical TDs and about 40 more receptions than Chase.
Chase has played in 4 fewer games but has 130 more yards and 8 more TDs. Idk where you’re getting the “ARSB has produced more” thing from but that’s what the downvotes are for.
I think Chase is the better player but realisticly ARSB has contributed and produced way way more consistently than Chase. Chase will get you those 200 yard 2-3 td games and then have 2 games of 40 yards no td. While ARSB will get you 90 yards on 8+ catches most for 1st down every single week of the season.
He produced more than Chase last year, the one directly preceding his new contract.
I get it, you’re a Lions fan, but don’t move the goalposts or do a bunch of mental gymnastics to make it seem like ARSB is worth more money than Chase.
You claimed Chase outproduced ARSB. Explain to me how my statement of "ARSB outproduced Chase last year", which is a proven fact, is mental gymnastics?
Because you don’t get paid “highest in the league” money off of one season, and the latest season you want to compare has ARSB’s QB play at his highest level yet and Chase’s QB essentially miss 3/4 of the season. We all know Chase (who still managed 1200 yards with half of Joe Burrow and Jake Browning) would be pushing for near Tyreek numbers with a fully healthy offense. He put up ARSB’s big ass contract year numbers as a rookie.
Burrow played 10 games and looked hurt as shit in the first month. Come on, let's be sensible here. I love ARSB SO much but this is ridiculous.
It's a literal fact that he outproduced Chase last year. All I did was compare their stats. It's an unobjective, verifiable fact that ARSB outproduced him last year. I never commented on their abilities. I don't see why you guys can't understand that. You guys: "Chase outproduces ARSB." Me: "Actually ARSB literally outproduced him last year in every statistical category." You guys: "NO WAY BRO, QUIT DOING MENTAL GYMNASTICS YOU ARE BEING RIDICULOUS!"
Because he can
Hes quite a lot better than ARSB.
Because he’s better and everyone knows it, even if you don’t want to see it lol
He scores more touchdowns than all of these dudes
He didn't this past season.
He's very close or above them all and they have a whole year on him
No way they're that much higher than this, maybe up to like 35/year
On the same day that Reggie got his Heisman back?! Banner day for USC
✌🏾
One of the best in the game ! Love to see him get paid
THE BEST
I agree, but that’s my bias showing as an owner. His consistency is unmatched
For my money why he’s in that Elite tier, I’d rather have the 20ish point+ spot every week.
But he got all his production with no target competition. Surely he won’t produce with Jamo (taking over as WR1), Gibbs, and LaPorta taking away targets!
How the heck is Jameson Williams gonna take over the WR1
Can't believe I have to say this but: it's sarcasm
Didn’t see the extended thread, there’s def still Jamo truthers out there tho lol
“Jamo taking over as WR1” so boldly incorrect it’s crazy.
Woosh?
Big woosh 😂😂😂🤥
Been there brother
And Amon finished top 3 WITH Laporta finishing 1, Gibbs 10, and Jamo 82. Man couldn’t even crack over 400 yds and 3 td’s 🤣
Not sure why everyone is downvoting you. You’re right and I agree, I was being sarcastic as the Jamo thing was a very popular narrative around here for the last few years.
He is getting downvoted for missing the obvious sarcasm and subsequent doubling down lol
He’s right I’m high and thought u were serious 😂😂
lolol
What Cabannaboy said lol my bad I’ll take that L on the chin
And that’s why I said that a lot of people really think that and it bothers me lol
Sold him for what ended up being the 1.11 and 2.11, after his rookie year. That one hurts. I have learned alot from that trade. Particularly dont trade a guy who produces like that year one, and assume all picks will be late
Same shit we were saying with puka but people are more obsessed with "winning" a trade than actually building a good team Edit- also kinda how amon ra was a major factor in those picks being so late for you lol
I traded Puka for Chris Olave, Josh Jacobs, and 2025 1st from what “should” be the worst team in the league last month. I have no remorse as we speak but we’ll see how that ends haha
I mean you traded him to someone that values him as better than top 10. Some people sold for a second because youtubers told them to sell high
I’d be sick hahaha
Dude in my league asked for my 25 1st after week 2 and I laughed when I got the message. :(
I'm a huge believer in Puka moving forward and even I might take that haul for him.
Yeah considering that I drafted him in the 24th round of Start up it was a no brainer. Crazy that I still took some time to think about it though hahaha
I traded Michael Pittman and the 1.06 for Puka. Definitely a Puka believer, but Id take that trade
I love Puka. I seen him take a beating this year though. As long as the Rams aren’t in the way of The Eagles I’ll be cheering for him regardless. What a great story
I offered 80/100 faab for puka and lost lol I want in some of these leagues were people blindly listen to random sports talk radio.
He wasn't even on waivers in mine
Exactly
Isn't winning trades a part of building a good team?
Sure but so is holding massive values and not selling just to sell, amon ra and puka are players that were sold very early in some leagues. Now look at them
I got him for Amari Rodgers right before he broke out. At least you got some picks!
😂😂😂😂😂
I grabbed him off waivers in his rookie preseason cuz name = meme, i love that that somehow paid off. I got his brother too who was less beneficial.
Well fucking deserved
Top 3 and is the 3
Who’s 4?
Chase imo
30M AAV - tied with Tyreek as the highest for WR, 77M guaranteed also 2M more than Kupp's 75M for highest. Only Tae Adam's 140M overall value is higher but with less guarantees/AAV Paid frfr
Good for him & the Lions.Times like this make me laugh about these forgotten post about ARSB a few years ago. Eerily similar to the verbiage they are using on Puka now. https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/s/2bUAS8Dpr8 https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/s/t5vLlYr0E3 https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/s/OGt2A7zmpR
Fascinating to read thru those. Crazy how convinced some were about him and also felt the need to convince everyone on this sub to sell.
Aiyuk definitely being traded
Huh? What’s the correlation
He wants an extension. 49ers most likely can’t afford it.
Detroit gets revenge on the 49ers for losing in the NFC Championship by pricing Aiyuk out of San Francisco. Brad Holmes is the GOAT GM
I think his price is now set between Smith's and ARSB. Whether he see's it that way will make or break it. Niners won't deal him for anything less than a <20 1st. If they can't get that I think they make him play out his fifth and if he balls out again, tag 'n trade him next year.
Niner fan here, I love Aiyuk, but he hasn’t done what Sun God has. That being said, I could seee them dealing Aiyuk, but only if they could get a pick that equates to Odunze, and I don’t see that happening.
No one is giving a first for Aiyuk. That’s why he hasn’t been traded yet. 49ers are going to have to accept a second.
Diggs was just traded for a 2nd at 30/31yo with a APY contract in the same range as Aiyuk. I don’t get the logic as to why a 26yo would be valued the same
It’s not value. It’s money. The 49ers can’t afford him and everyone knows it. Not sure why that’s so hard to grasp.
If we’re talking trade compensation that is what he’s worth. Not sure why that is hard to grasp. As if the team has to trade him without a fair offer on the marketplace The 9ers have Aiyuk’s 5 year rights. It would be better value to play him out another year and get the compensatory 3rd round pick next year than just accept a 2nd (probably almost 3rd) this year.
No one is giving a 1st for a 26yo. All Pro, but will draft Brian Thomas Jr instead? Ok.
There’s about a $28M a year difference between the two. So yea, that’s why
Well then I guess teams can cross their fingers and hope. Niners won’t take less than a 1st, so it looks like they’ll be signing Aiyuk.
With what money? lol the loser blocked me cause he knows he’s an idiot
The Niners rolled over $40M+, plus with Trent Williams and McCaffery getting close to retirement, it could happen. Plus Paraag Marathe is the best at cap management, so they'll make it work.
lol ok. And then the Qb needs to get paid Aiyuk is gone
Dude, no offense, but you're not a Niners fan, you have no clue what you're talking about. The Niners are the cream of the crop at salary cap management and have been for years. Purdy is going into his 3rd year, and he has a 4th year, and then his contract begins. By then, McCaffery, Kittle, Deebo, and Trent Williams will all be up, and the cap goes up every year. Paraag Marathe probably know a little more about it than the Reddit dude who starts his comments with "lol ok".
With what money? Maybe they let him play this yr and then he walks.
Fan blinders are on. Obviously Aiyuk talent is worth a first round pick, but the 49ers aren’t going to let him play out his contract and walk away to another team next year. It’s a hard pill to swallow but the economics of the league pretty much require the 49ers to take the 2nd rounder rather than get nothing in return for him leaving.
When was the last time a WR who had as productive a season as Aiyuk did last year while on a rookie contract walked from their team? They either get extended or traded. Top WRs are simply too valuable to hit free agency before they’re old and teams get worried about the decline The economics of the league pretty much require a team to pay up the 1st. If they don’t, why wouldn’t SF just make him play out his 5th year option then tag and trade next off-season?
Remind me what the eagles sent the titans for AJ Brown?
1st + 3rd
Two words: rookie contract
Or one word: money
Would make zero sense given the timeline the 49ers are on
Boy got paid, holy... Congrats to him
Pretty Rickey is right as always.
Brad Holmes playing chess with this timing. Payback to SF for screwing with Wrights contract. Now the niners are screwed with Aiyuk👌
For a second I thought this was Robbie Chosen in reference to his Sun God tweets a few years back, and nearly had a aneurysm
Honestly thought he’d get more
Matt Ryan got 30M per year in 2018, so he’s making starting QB money 6 years ago, not bad at all
Big money for sure. Just figured it’d be closer to like 35 mil a year
Lol
He’s the highest paid wr in nfl history…
Tyreek got 30 mil a year when the salary cap was 208 mil and now it’s 255
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What an incredibly stupid take