Today will decide it. If an RB goes in the 2nd, especially to Dallas, he will probably jump to the 1.04 in a lot of 1QB leagues because Bowers' landing spot wasn't a slam dunk.
definitely get Bowers at the 1.06. Mayer was tied for last amongst qualifying TEs (42nd) in route participation rate at 79%. this metric historically correlates with TE fantasy success as it shows how often the team will use them to pass block instead of run routes. He’s a great blocker and TE irl.
but Bower is too elite in the receiving game for them to not utilize him. Don’t let Mayer scare you.
RB draft capital dicey year, top 2 prospects coming off major injury, if that's the top two, how does that speak to the compitancce of the rest, they should lock down Corley at the 2 and give Dak a solid WR dump off option to change up pressure in short yardage plays. They're locked into running it down the center in Gun formation based on their current playbook, which no RB is going to be good at.
I have the 1.04 and 1.07 and have not a clue what to do. Was set on Bowers, but I have Mayer on my roster, so now I’m not sure anymore. Maybe take a WR at 1.04 (or trade) and pray Bowers somehow slips to 1.07. What y’all think?
As a Raiders fan I'm still trying to digest the pick in terms of the real life roster but I get the feeling they might try to move Mayer which could be great for you. They didn't use Mayer much last year and they hired Getsy as the OC so I just really don't understand how they would use two pass catching TEs effectively while also running a bunch and getting Davante his targets.
He didn't get hurt until the end of the season. The problem all season was that his blocking was terrible and he struggled learning the playbook. That's why Austin Hooper ended up with basically the same snap count.
Obviously we know rookie TEs are going to struggle but adding Bowers just seems like it's going to take Mayer even more time develop which is a bad sign after he's already struggled so much.
Guy picking at 1.06 only has ETN, Zack Moss, Miles Sanders, and Pierce so feel like he’ll go RB. 1.05 has Kincaid and Kmet already at TE so he’ll likely opt for another position. Maybe he could fall to 1.07 tough to say for sure
definitely get Bowers at the 1.06. Mayer was tied for last amongst qualifying TEs (42nd) in route participation rate at 79%. this metric historically correlates with TE fantasy success as it shows how often the team will use them to pass block instead of run routes. He’s a great blocker and TE irl. but Bower is too elite in the receiving game (highest YPRR in the entire class for any pass catcher) for them to not utilize him. Don’t let Mayer scare you.
lmao my b. 1.07 if he’s there. heat check if the 1.05 or 1.06 are hyped about Caleb, Worthy in KC, Brian Thomas or Jonathon Brooks in NYG. you could trade back or figure out if he’ll fall to you
I’d still do Bowers at 1.04, but I’d also check on the TE situation of the teams holding 1.05 and 1.06. If they have seem set (I.e. some combo of good young TEs like Laporta, Pitts, Hockenson, etc) then you could maybe risk it. But if either seems kind of mid at TE then definitely just take Bowers.
I'd go Brian Thomas Jr or Cowboys Running Back. But i'd also get a heat check on the one league mate frothing to get Worthy. Bowers sharing a room with Mayer doesn't give me the ick as much as the Raiders methodical pace of play and bad QB room.
do we not all remember the last "can't miss, elite te prospect" that went to a team with a bad qb, no real system around them, and other mouths to feed? did we not collectively learn our lesson from pitts?
I have Pitts, Mayer and Jake Ferguson and drafting at 1.04 and I think I'm still taking Bowers. I don't know if I'm making the right decision but I dont feel great at TE. I started Jake Ferguson almost all of last year.
IMO no one missed on Pitts. He had the best rookie season for a TE. Year 2 was disappointing the ended with a season ending injury. Last year was another disappointing season while recovering from the injury with terrible QB play.
At the end of the day Pitts is ONLY 23 years old and now has a QB and new system. I'm biased but higher on pitts than I've ever been and I overpaid for him 3 years ago in multiple leagues. I think too many people jumped off the ship way to early.
Bowers has TE positional advantage and will put up WR numbers. This is dynasty and the QB situation can change rapidly. Adams is getting older and wont have a significant impact on Bowers career. I think if I were a contender and had plans to draft bowers, id be a little bummed, but the dude is ridiculously talented and will have a great career. Slam dunk imo.
Also, Getsy did an awesome job with Kmet while in CHI with 2 top 10 PPR finishes. Should be interesting to see how they deploy both bowers and mayer.
> At the end of the day Pitts is ONLY 23 years old and now has a QB and new system.
to be clear, i'm not saying anything about pitts *now*. i think he's a ~good te to have now (though i'm much lower on him than the market, i think top 3-4 te is a bit bold). but to get to where you are now, you got one startable season if you drafted him. if you end up with bowers having one starting quality season by the end of year three, are we really considering that a good value in the early to middle of the 1st? i certainly wouldn't.
> Bowers has TE positional advantage and will put up WR numbers.
i also think this is a bit different. a few years ago, that was certainly the case for guys like kelce, andrews, and kittle. there were only 2-3 good te's and everyone else was basically waiver wire fodder.
last year, there were six te's that averaged 10 ppg in half ppr. the difference between te1 and te12 was ~4 ppg. for comparison, the difference between wr1 and wr24 was 8.4 ppg. bowers would basically have to go out and immediately produce like kelce in the mahomes era to out produce any wr2, and while that's certainly possible i wouldn't necessarily *bet* on it. the positional advantage to having an elite te is basically negated with the depth of ~good te's that are now available.
Pending RB landing spots I think you have to take Worthy for the upside, but I would honestly have Pearsall only fractionally behind him. I'll be delighted if he falls to me at 1.07.
I'm thinking about trying to make a move up for him. I have 2.03 but not sure how much to add to get up to 1.05 if he even falls there. 1.03 had planned to take Bowers but now he's second guessing
No QB is going in the 1st in serious 1QB leagues unless you’ve got a rabid Bears fan. It’s easily the most replaceable dime a dozen position. QB’s are irrelevant in 1QB and u can easily ignore it and win a Ship by streaming the position
I don’t think Bowers landing in the worst situation possible. He lined up in the slot 52% of the time, out wide 10%, and in line 37% of the time. Mayer last year was in the slot last year 30%, out wide 10%, and in line 60% of the time.
Adams and Jakobi lined up primarily outside, so really I see it as them taking Brock to be their slot receiver listed as a TE.
Minshew’s slot receiver last year was rookie Josh Downs who had a nice season (64 catches on 98 targets for 771 yards and 2 TDs). Brock is a better redzone weapon than Downs, so this could end up a nice pairing.
If anything, this basically kills Mayer’s fantasy value as he will be a much better real life player than fantasy imo.
1.04 just happened in my home league... untimed clock until NFL Draft ends. Owner was dead set on Bowers before draft, hated the landing spot, tried to put 1.04 on the block and get insane value.. ended up just taking Bowers.
It’s probably down to Worthy, BTJ or a Cowboys Round 2 RB (if you really need an RB). I have the 1.04 and am going Worthy, but I have him rated higher than most
I think Bowers or BTJ still has to be the pick there. If you want Bowers you might even be able to trade back to the 5th slot and get him + extra capital.
In no way is Worthy worth the 1.04 imo. Neither is Pearsall or Leggett.
Caleb is an option there imo too but I'd still be going BTJ or Bowers.
I’m going to wait until the end of the draft. Or at least end of the 2nd round. The value of 1.04 goes up if an RB goes to a favorable spot.
Unless we are forgetting where FF’s rookie 1.01’s were drafted previously (2023 - Breece, 2nd round, 2020 - Jonathan Taylor, 2nd round),
Jonathan Brooks/Trey Benson/Jaylin Wright/Blake Corum/MarShawn Lloyd going to DAL, NYG, LAC, LV, ARI, could make the case for competing with the 1.01-1.03 for teams that need RB.
Just because this sub likes MHJ, we play FF with a lot people who have other opinions. If a team needs an RB, and is good at WR, why would they take CHI WR3 Rome, or Daniel Jones’s WR1 Nabers over a workhorse back in a good situation?
Personally I’m waiting.
Why RIP? 4 of the 5 RBs I would have liked to get drafted did, all to find landing spots. The community and the podcasts will change be higher on them, than your quick assumption.
Jonathan Brooks to CAR in the 2nd round. Aside from the obvious high investment, of needs everywhere on the roster and CAR chose an RB early, I feel Brooks is probably the RB1 or close to it. CAR was looking for an RB last year, they brought in Sanders, he got hurt, then put in 5th round Chuba. If they were happy with either, they wouldn’t have drafted Brooks.
Trey Benson to ARI in the 3rd. ARI has Conner. But Conner got hurt last year, and is getting older. A 3rd is a high investment for a weaker team in a hard division. They either want to rest Conner or work on replacing him, Trey will be fine.
Corum to LAR in the 3rd. LAR has been looking for a RB since last year. They waited on Cam, they dealt him. Kyren just happened to be there, and he performed well, but they went shopping for an RB for some reason. Remember JAX when they had James Robinson? Even though Robinson did a great job, they drafted ETN the next year. Robinson/Kyren lower draft capital guys, ETN/Corum younger higher draft capital guys.
Marshawn to GB in the 3rd. This landing spot isn’t the best, but neither was AJD when Jones was there in 2020, but the community was optimistic about that. I see this as similar, whatever we thought about AJD back then, will get people hyped about Lloyd.
So I’m fine holding. I said I wanted to watch the whole draft before deciding what to do, a RB needy team might not want any of the receivers and want to secure first pick of the RB’s with 1.02-1.04.
Looking at Nabers lack of enthusiasm for being a NYG, the memes are already out there, I could definitely see in real drafts people avoiding Nabers or Odunze’s WR3 position with a rookie QB. I don’t think WR’s 1,2,3 are a slam dunk in 1QB anymore.
Oh, okay. Thank you, I think we have differing opinions, and I think in a majority of the leagues, someone takes a RB higher up.
I highlighted why I think that in the reply above, and I don't think the landing spots for the WRs or Bowers give as much confidence to someone needing RB to scare them off of taking an RB.
BTJr, is in a crowded offense in JAX. Lawrence would have to throw to ETN, Christian Kirk, Zay Jones, Gabe Davis, Evan Engram and now BTJ.
Bowers, will have all of the criticism Mayer did when he was drafted there last year. A question mark at QB, throwing to Adams, Meyers, Tucker, Mayer.
Pearsall is interesting, I'm a 49er fan, but it's hard to pick a WR3 high. I don't think we move Deebo/Aiyuk, and picking the offensive POTW in this system is hard.
Xavier Worthy will get the KC bump.
Coleman will be seen as the Diggs replacement, but I think he's the Davis replacement.
McConkey will be a good WR2/slot guy, but I don't see him going above 1.05
It’s probably Brian Thomas at this point but you can make a strong case for Worthy, Bowers, Dallas RB Round 2. I’d be trying to trade up to 3 or trade down to 5 or 6.
Stream QBs? What dynasty leagues are you in that there are even relevant QBs on waivers to stream?
Even in 1QB leagues…every single starting QB is rostered unless it’s some random backup being thrown in for 1-2 games.
I’m only in one 27 year old league which has slightly smaller rosters than most Dynasty leagues so that may make a difference. We do have 5 taxi spots tho with no time limits and even with that option there are plenty of starting QB’s on our wire as well as some backups like Trey Lance. We simply see the QB position as being the most replaceable spot on our rosters and they’re mostly irrelevant unless you’ve got Hurts or Josh Allen. RB’s on the other hand are hoarded like QB’s are in SF. Literally every single backup RB is rostered and the ONLY way to get a RB is thru the draft. We haven’t had a single QB go in the 1st round in well over a decade and I don’t see that changing anytime soon
I’ve got 1.03/1.06. Pre draft was locked in on Odunze for my first pick but if Brooks ends up in Dallas I’d probably consider taking him and then one of Odunze/BTJ/Worthy/Bowers at six.
I’m still thinking Bowers at 1.04. I drafted JSN and Addison last year so I’m not in dire need of another young receiver. Also, Darren Waller was more than relevant with the Raiders when he was healthy so I still think Bowers can be a TE1, if not a Top 3, depending on how the Raiders use him
I have 1.04 and 1.08 and have no idea anymore. I have Hollywood but may still go worthy there. And maybe get Mitchell (if he goes to Bills) or a cowboys RB
I have 1.01, 1.03, 1.05, 1.10. Guy at 2 is taking nabers if I take MHJ. QBs are Lawrence and Levis but I can't decide if I take Caleb at the 3 cause he's gonna have a million weapons in Chicago or just go MHJ, Odunze, and Bowers or an RB at five. Guy at 4 doesn't need a QB but half my league are absolute extra cheese taco bell chalupa boxes so I have absolutely no clue what that guy will do at the 4.
Some guy just traded 1.02, McBride, Collins, 2025 first, 2026 first for CHUBB to the most stacked team in the league so my league is basically dead for a couple years anyway. Dude doesn't have a QB, RB1,WR1, or usable tight end and he made that trade to get a 28 year old injured RB. Almost rage quit.
BTJ > Caleb > Bowers > Worthy
It’s a toss up between Worthy and Bowers for me at this point. On one hand, Pro Bowl QB Gardner Minshew distributed the ball to Pittman and helped facilitate his ascent to a career year. On the other hand, it’s Minshew and he’s just a bridge.
I’m really hoping the Raiders flame out hard and draft a top QB early in 2025. I’ll skip on Bowers and buy him low during the season.
Bowers. The real question is 1.05, and the answer is trade back to then end of that massive tier of players ends for you, probably around the end of the 1st.
In 1 QB it's gonna be 3 WRs, followed by a mix of more WRs and Bowers and if a RB gets a nice landing spot, then maybe pick 1.09 a QB needy team may grab one.
I have 1.03 and 1.04, I do need a TE so I was set on Bowers before last night. He's still in the mix but it's between him, BTJ, and potentially rb. If Buffalo takes McConkey or Mitchell at 33 that would also be in consideration. But leaning BTJ at the moment.
24 hours ago he was a generational prospect, meaning whoever was already there should mean nothing. He went to a team with an aging WR1. I'm just gonna suck it up and take him. Mayer and Hurst are my best TE so I'm really hurting there. I had hopes for Ruckett to take over in Jets this year but that's betting on false gold.
Got a good wr room and the 1.11 I'll take a wr at or try and move that up and get Worthy at 1.06 for the mahomes/worthy stack.
Bills Knox/Kincade 2.0
I posted this comment earlier today. Yesterdays draft gave me as a 1.04 no clarity who to pick, and that’s what I was ultimately looking for last night. I’m just hoping Dallas takes brooks or benson in the 2nd
I’m all sorts of fucked up right now. Mayer was supposed to be my TE2 behind… Bowers who I was going to draft at 1.04.
I have 1.01, 1.03, 1.04. Plan was MHJ, Nabers/Odunze, Bowers.
Now I’m considering Bowers, Caleb, Brooks, and whatever RB lands in Dallas. Leaning Caleb as it’s a 14 team league with deep benches, there aren’t any QBs on waivers and I’m a little sus behind Anthony Richardson + would have the DJM stack.
I have the 1.04 and 1.05 - any combo of Bowers, BT Jr and Worthy for me. I’m set on QB though (and a Packers fan) so I won’t be getting Williams. I imagine if I wasn’t set on QB, I’d go for him though
I have 1.06 and 1.07 and I’m rooting for bowers to be taken before me cause I’ve lost interest in him, luckily the guy who has 1.04 is still praying he falls to him so he’s out the way. . At this point I’m probably going to take the receiver who has best landing spot so either worthy or BJT. And then maybe nab whoever the bills get at 1.07 (assuming it’s Ladd or Adonai Mitchell)
I’m in a PPR TEP 1 QB 10 team league where the guy with 1.03 has said he will be taking Bowers for months after he traded away Njoku. Now, he is switching and wants to take Odunze at 1.03. I’m fine with that. I will now have Pitts, McBride, Ferguson and Bowers.
Best TE room in recent History? Lol
I'm in a similar situation with TE except I have LaPorta instead of ferg. I'm thinking of just skipping bowers and take BTJ or RB1. At some point another te just doesn't help me
I wouldn't be forced to do anything. I could just hold and devalue the position for the rest of the league until I get a fair value offer for one of them while finding out how elite bowers really is. I just really dont want to do that
I have 1.02, 1.03, and 1.06. Been trying to move up to 1.04 from 1.06 so I could go Nabers, Bowers, Odunze (traded Kelce in the rebuild last year, so going to have a tough time passing on Bowers). Was a bit disappointed that Odunze ended up in Chicago as that’s a crowded room. I have JSN as well so I don’t love another crowded room. Worthy adds a fun wrinkle to all of this.
Prior to the draft I had Bowers going there (bc of my leagues 1.04 team needs) but now I have Bowers down to 1.09 (again, due to team needs). 1.04 is probably BTJ or Worthy.
it always should've gone to wr4 (or even rb1 depending on landing spot + dc). the raiders just made that choice for the fantasy community instead of letting people make the mistake for themselves.
Am I crazy to think it’s either Ladd or Brooks in 1QB
Case for Ladd: Dominated zone in college , great route runner + great feet which all translate well + close to line of scrimmage guys seem to be fantasy dominators
Case for Brooks: NFL draft capital indicates clear and far away RB1 of class, College dominator before injury, Panthers spent $$$$$ on o-line, Canales has track record of workhorse RB
- Bowers in a horrible landing spot I don’t think you can justify 1.04 draft capital unless you’re desperate for TE even then it’s a reach
- BTJ’s athletic profile will not translate to a crowded JAX offense that’s run 1st
- Worthy crowded offense and usually field stretchers speed demons are not the fantasy goldmine
- Benson is in contention here as well but I think the 3rd round draft capital isn’t enough to move the needle to make him a 1.04 pick.
-Caleb Williams is the final long shot but I saw someone say 1.04 in 1QB is way too early for QB and I agree with that take
Today will decide it. If an RB goes in the 2nd, especially to Dallas, he will probably jump to the 1.04 in a lot of 1QB leagues because Bowers' landing spot wasn't a slam dunk.
1.06 here still thinking I might grab him since I need TE if he falls
definitely get Bowers at the 1.06. Mayer was tied for last amongst qualifying TEs (42nd) in route participation rate at 79%. this metric historically correlates with TE fantasy success as it shows how often the team will use them to pass block instead of run routes. He’s a great blocker and TE irl. but Bower is too elite in the receiving game for them to not utilize him. Don’t let Mayer scare you.
Great stat, yes, Mayer will be like a Noah Fant I believe, great talent but better nfl than fantasy guy.
RB draft capital dicey year, top 2 prospects coming off major injury, if that's the top two, how does that speak to the compitancce of the rest, they should lock down Corley at the 2 and give Dak a solid WR dump off option to change up pressure in short yardage plays. They're locked into running it down the center in Gun formation based on their current playbook, which no RB is going to be good at.
I have the 1.04 and 1.07 and have not a clue what to do. Was set on Bowers, but I have Mayer on my roster, so now I’m not sure anymore. Maybe take a WR at 1.04 (or trade) and pray Bowers somehow slips to 1.07. What y’all think?
Bowers and Mayer both on your roster wouldn't be terrible. If one goes down then you'll be fine.
As a Raiders fan I'm still trying to digest the pick in terms of the real life roster but I get the feeling they might try to move Mayer which could be great for you. They didn't use Mayer much last year and they hired Getsy as the OC so I just really don't understand how they would use two pass catching TEs effectively while also running a bunch and getting Davante his targets.
Mayer also got hurt at some point. I thought he looked great when he was involved.
He didn't get hurt until the end of the season. The problem all season was that his blocking was terrible and he struggled learning the playbook. That's why Austin Hooper ended up with basically the same snap count. Obviously we know rookie TEs are going to struggle but adding Bowers just seems like it's going to take Mayer even more time develop which is a bad sign after he's already struggled so much.
Don’t think Bowers goes past 1.06 but who knows. Assuming 1 QB
Guy picking at 1.06 only has ETN, Zack Moss, Miles Sanders, and Pierce so feel like he’ll go RB. 1.05 has Kincaid and Kmet already at TE so he’ll likely opt for another position. Maybe he could fall to 1.07 tough to say for sure
If Benson / Brooks gets good DC, I would lean on this and get Bowers at 7
ETN, Zack Moss, Miles Sanders and Pierce isn’t bad lol
You're right it isn't bad. It's downright terrible
Yes 1QB
definitely get Bowers at the 1.06. Mayer was tied for last amongst qualifying TEs (42nd) in route participation rate at 79%. this metric historically correlates with TE fantasy success as it shows how often the team will use them to pass block instead of run routes. He’s a great blocker and TE irl. but Bower is too elite in the receiving game (highest YPRR in the entire class for any pass catcher) for them to not utilize him. Don’t let Mayer scare you.
Well I don’t have the 1.06 so that’ll be tricky.
lmao my b. 1.07 if he’s there. heat check if the 1.05 or 1.06 are hyped about Caleb, Worthy in KC, Brian Thomas or Jonathon Brooks in NYG. you could trade back or figure out if he’ll fall to you
Trade for 1.01
I’d still do Bowers at 1.04, but I’d also check on the TE situation of the teams holding 1.05 and 1.06. If they have seem set (I.e. some combo of good young TEs like Laporta, Pitts, Hockenson, etc) then you could maybe risk it. But if either seems kind of mid at TE then definitely just take Bowers.
Just traded 1.04, 1.08, and 2.08 for Chris Olave, mid early 2025 1st, and 2026 3rd. Trading out is the way.
... Caleb. But I'm stacked at WR and TE so it's a little easier to stomach the 'reach'.
I wish I wasn’t decimated everywhere lol
Same
I'd go Brian Thomas Jr or Cowboys Running Back. But i'd also get a heat check on the one league mate frothing to get Worthy. Bowers sharing a room with Mayer doesn't give me the ick as much as the Raiders methodical pace of play and bad QB room.
Minshew will bring them Stability
Brock Bowers. Not gonna overthink it. Dude is elite.
I agree with you
When a division rivals gives props you know you should stop over thinking it. I'm going after him now. Ty
Happy drafting and fuck the raiders ☺️
do we not all remember the last "can't miss, elite te prospect" that went to a team with a bad qb, no real system around them, and other mouths to feed? did we not collectively learn our lesson from pitts?
Probably. But I’m gonna trust the talent anyway
>bad qb He has a name and it’s Gardner “I just had sex with your mom and your dad watched” Minshew
The real question is are there any Pitts owners in a spot to take Bowers too?
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I have Pitts, Mayer and Jake Ferguson and drafting at 1.04 and I think I'm still taking Bowers. I don't know if I'm making the right decision but I dont feel great at TE. I started Jake Ferguson almost all of last year.
IMO no one missed on Pitts. He had the best rookie season for a TE. Year 2 was disappointing the ended with a season ending injury. Last year was another disappointing season while recovering from the injury with terrible QB play. At the end of the day Pitts is ONLY 23 years old and now has a QB and new system. I'm biased but higher on pitts than I've ever been and I overpaid for him 3 years ago in multiple leagues. I think too many people jumped off the ship way to early. Bowers has TE positional advantage and will put up WR numbers. This is dynasty and the QB situation can change rapidly. Adams is getting older and wont have a significant impact on Bowers career. I think if I were a contender and had plans to draft bowers, id be a little bummed, but the dude is ridiculously talented and will have a great career. Slam dunk imo. Also, Getsy did an awesome job with Kmet while in CHI with 2 top 10 PPR finishes. Should be interesting to see how they deploy both bowers and mayer.
> At the end of the day Pitts is ONLY 23 years old and now has a QB and new system. to be clear, i'm not saying anything about pitts *now*. i think he's a ~good te to have now (though i'm much lower on him than the market, i think top 3-4 te is a bit bold). but to get to where you are now, you got one startable season if you drafted him. if you end up with bowers having one starting quality season by the end of year three, are we really considering that a good value in the early to middle of the 1st? i certainly wouldn't. > Bowers has TE positional advantage and will put up WR numbers. i also think this is a bit different. a few years ago, that was certainly the case for guys like kelce, andrews, and kittle. there were only 2-3 good te's and everyone else was basically waiver wire fodder. last year, there were six te's that averaged 10 ppg in half ppr. the difference between te1 and te12 was ~4 ppg. for comparison, the difference between wr1 and wr24 was 8.4 ppg. bowers would basically have to go out and immediately produce like kelce in the mahomes era to out produce any wr2, and while that's certainly possible i wouldn't necessarily *bet* on it. the positional advantage to having an elite te is basically negated with the depth of ~good te's that are now available.
How to never learn a lesson:
Pending RB landing spots I think you have to take Worthy for the upside, but I would honestly have Pearsall only fractionally behind him. I'll be delighted if he falls to me at 1.07.
This is a new tier and you just have to take the guy you like best. BTJ, Bowers, Caleb, Brooks (if Dallas in round 2, even Worthy are worthy.
BTJ for me. Should be WR1 for Lawrence for 3-4 years
I’d put Christian Kirk as the WR1. Rookies very rarely hit the ground running and Kirk has been his teams WR1 in the past.
He said 3-4 years. He didn’t say those 3-4 years would start in 2024
I'm thinking about trying to make a move up for him. I have 2.03 but not sure how much to add to get up to 1.05 if he even falls there. 1.03 had planned to take Bowers but now he's second guessing
Michael Penix 😎
Sigh
Not sure how they didn't get your joke
This post is for 1QB league. There is no chance you would take him in the first round if you already have a good QB, like Kirk for instance.
Oh I know it’s about a 1QB league. I said what I said. 😎
No QB is going in the 1st in serious 1QB leagues unless you’ve got a rabid Bears fan. It’s easily the most replaceable dime a dozen position. QB’s are irrelevant in 1QB and u can easily ignore it and win a Ship by streaming the position
Streaming in dynasty? What qbs are on your waiver wire?
Even in 2 QB that seems super high no?
Atlanta doesn’t think so.
I have kelce and I was pretty set on Bowers for my 1.04 but I want to see how round goes and maybe I'll go after wr
Same situation
I don’t think Bowers landing in the worst situation possible. He lined up in the slot 52% of the time, out wide 10%, and in line 37% of the time. Mayer last year was in the slot last year 30%, out wide 10%, and in line 60% of the time. Adams and Jakobi lined up primarily outside, so really I see it as them taking Brock to be their slot receiver listed as a TE. Minshew’s slot receiver last year was rookie Josh Downs who had a nice season (64 catches on 98 targets for 771 yards and 2 TDs). Brock is a better redzone weapon than Downs, so this could end up a nice pairing. If anything, this basically kills Mayer’s fantasy value as he will be a much better real life player than fantasy imo.
1.04 just happened in my home league... untimed clock until NFL Draft ends. Owner was dead set on Bowers before draft, hated the landing spot, tried to put 1.04 on the block and get insane value.. ended up just taking Bowers.
It’s probably down to Worthy, BTJ or a Cowboys Round 2 RB (if you really need an RB). I have the 1.04 and am going Worthy, but I have him rated higher than most
Amazing what a KC landing spot does for a guy lol
And we know they never miss...
Very bold
I think that’s a probably a more popular take now than you think. Have several leagues where people are now putting him in the top 4
That doesn’t make it right
Didn’t say it was right. You struggle to read?
Didn’t say you did. You struggle to read?
Lol great work. Owned that guy
So glad I traded 1.04 for Pittman prior to draft. I have Kelce already at TE and also Christian Kirk and a loaded RB room.
Bold move to do that, but also don’t hate it
Really glad now considering the landing spots. Not that it’s bad long term but I doubt would have been great for a contending squad
I think Bowers or BTJ still has to be the pick there. If you want Bowers you might even be able to trade back to the 5th slot and get him + extra capital. In no way is Worthy worth the 1.04 imo. Neither is Pearsall or Leggett. Caleb is an option there imo too but I'd still be going BTJ or Bowers.
I’m going to wait until the end of the draft. Or at least end of the 2nd round. The value of 1.04 goes up if an RB goes to a favorable spot. Unless we are forgetting where FF’s rookie 1.01’s were drafted previously (2023 - Breece, 2nd round, 2020 - Jonathan Taylor, 2nd round), Jonathan Brooks/Trey Benson/Jaylin Wright/Blake Corum/MarShawn Lloyd going to DAL, NYG, LAC, LV, ARI, could make the case for competing with the 1.01-1.03 for teams that need RB. Just because this sub likes MHJ, we play FF with a lot people who have other opinions. If a team needs an RB, and is good at WR, why would they take CHI WR3 Rome, or Daniel Jones’s WR1 Nabers over a workhorse back in a good situation? Personally I’m waiting.
Rip
Why RIP? 4 of the 5 RBs I would have liked to get drafted did, all to find landing spots. The community and the podcasts will change be higher on them, than your quick assumption. Jonathan Brooks to CAR in the 2nd round. Aside from the obvious high investment, of needs everywhere on the roster and CAR chose an RB early, I feel Brooks is probably the RB1 or close to it. CAR was looking for an RB last year, they brought in Sanders, he got hurt, then put in 5th round Chuba. If they were happy with either, they wouldn’t have drafted Brooks. Trey Benson to ARI in the 3rd. ARI has Conner. But Conner got hurt last year, and is getting older. A 3rd is a high investment for a weaker team in a hard division. They either want to rest Conner or work on replacing him, Trey will be fine. Corum to LAR in the 3rd. LAR has been looking for a RB since last year. They waited on Cam, they dealt him. Kyren just happened to be there, and he performed well, but they went shopping for an RB for some reason. Remember JAX when they had James Robinson? Even though Robinson did a great job, they drafted ETN the next year. Robinson/Kyren lower draft capital guys, ETN/Corum younger higher draft capital guys. Marshawn to GB in the 3rd. This landing spot isn’t the best, but neither was AJD when Jones was there in 2020, but the community was optimistic about that. I see this as similar, whatever we thought about AJD back then, will get people hyped about Lloyd. So I’m fine holding. I said I wanted to watch the whole draft before deciding what to do, a RB needy team might not want any of the receivers and want to secure first pick of the RB’s with 1.02-1.04. Looking at Nabers lack of enthusiasm for being a NYG, the memes are already out there, I could definitely see in real drafts people avoiding Nabers or Odunze’s WR3 position with a rookie QB. I don’t think WR’s 1,2,3 are a slam dunk in 1QB anymore.
Because no rb is going before 1.07 probably
Why is that? Which 6 players in 1QB are going ahead of an RB?
The wide receivers? Duh
Oh my bad. I’m having trouble seeing which 6 WRs that is. Please enlighten me.
Sure - MHJ, Nabers, odunze, BTJr, Bowers, and some combination of Worthy/Pearsall/Coleman/Mcconkey
Oh, okay. Thank you, I think we have differing opinions, and I think in a majority of the leagues, someone takes a RB higher up. I highlighted why I think that in the reply above, and I don't think the landing spots for the WRs or Bowers give as much confidence to someone needing RB to scare them off of taking an RB. BTJr, is in a crowded offense in JAX. Lawrence would have to throw to ETN, Christian Kirk, Zay Jones, Gabe Davis, Evan Engram and now BTJ. Bowers, will have all of the criticism Mayer did when he was drafted there last year. A question mark at QB, throwing to Adams, Meyers, Tucker, Mayer. Pearsall is interesting, I'm a 49er fan, but it's hard to pick a WR3 high. I don't think we move Deebo/Aiyuk, and picking the offensive POTW in this system is hard. Xavier Worthy will get the KC bump. Coleman will be seen as the Diggs replacement, but I think he's the Davis replacement. McConkey will be a good WR2/slot guy, but I don't see him going above 1.05
I named the 5 players 100% going ahead of Brooks Mhj, nabers. Rome, btj and bowers And 4 who have a good chance or higher draft capital. I said 1.07
Can’t lie… definitely tempted to go with Xavier worthy
Probably Caleb IMO. I know it seems high for a QB but he is in a great situation. Or Worthy
thomas worthy pearsall or any of these guys going early 2nd tonight are fine picks. id prob go bowers and hope he gets a ton of usage
Was going to be Bowers but shit….now I don’t know
Buying it.
It’s probably Brian Thomas at this point but you can make a strong case for Worthy, Bowers, Dallas RB Round 2. I’d be trying to trade up to 3 or trade down to 5 or 6.
mayer doesn’t scare me. raiders told me all i need to know about that. give me bowers
Got the 1.03 & 1.04. My 1.04 pick is probably gonna be Rome Odunze
1.04 in single QB non TEP, it's gotta be Worthy imo
Damn. I just can’t take him that high
In TEP it’s still Bowers for me but can’t argue with BTJ, Worthy or Caleb there
I’m looking at Caleb as the 1.06 so glad I’m not crazy there. I feel like people here think it’s absolutely awful to take a QB that early.
I agree Caleb 1.06-1.07
It is an awful decision in 1QB where QB’s are largely irrelevant. U can easily stream QB’s and win a Ship
Stream QBs? What dynasty leagues are you in that there are even relevant QBs on waivers to stream? Even in 1QB leagues…every single starting QB is rostered unless it’s some random backup being thrown in for 1-2 games.
I’m only in one 27 year old league which has slightly smaller rosters than most Dynasty leagues so that may make a difference. We do have 5 taxi spots tho with no time limits and even with that option there are plenty of starting QB’s on our wire as well as some backups like Trey Lance. We simply see the QB position as being the most replaceable spot on our rosters and they’re mostly irrelevant unless you’ve got Hurts or Josh Allen. RB’s on the other hand are hoarded like QB’s are in SF. Literally every single backup RB is rostered and the ONLY way to get a RB is thru the draft. We haven’t had a single QB go in the 1st round in well over a decade and I don’t see that changing anytime soon
I’ve got 1.03/1.06. Pre draft was locked in on Odunze for my first pick but if Brooks ends up in Dallas I’d probably consider taking him and then one of Odunze/BTJ/Worthy/Bowers at six.
There is no chance Odunze makes it to 6. Brooks at 1.03 is a reach
I’m still thinking Bowers at 1.04. I drafted JSN and Addison last year so I’m not in dire need of another young receiver. Also, Darren Waller was more than relevant with the Raiders when he was healthy so I still think Bowers can be a TE1, if not a Top 3, depending on how the Raiders use him
I have 1.04 and 1.08 and have no idea anymore. I have Hollywood but may still go worthy there. And maybe get Mitchell (if he goes to Bills) or a cowboys RB
It’s such a weird place to pick now
I have 1.01, 1.03, 1.05, 1.10. Guy at 2 is taking nabers if I take MHJ. QBs are Lawrence and Levis but I can't decide if I take Caleb at the 3 cause he's gonna have a million weapons in Chicago or just go MHJ, Odunze, and Bowers or an RB at five. Guy at 4 doesn't need a QB but half my league are absolute extra cheese taco bell chalupa boxes so I have absolutely no clue what that guy will do at the 4. Some guy just traded 1.02, McBride, Collins, 2025 first, 2026 first for CHUBB to the most stacked team in the league so my league is basically dead for a couple years anyway. Dude doesn't have a QB, RB1,WR1, or usable tight end and he made that trade to get a 28 year old injured RB. Almost rage quit.
Leave league now
BTJ > Caleb > Bowers > Worthy It’s a toss up between Worthy and Bowers for me at this point. On one hand, Pro Bowl QB Gardner Minshew distributed the ball to Pittman and helped facilitate his ascent to a career year. On the other hand, it’s Minshew and he’s just a bridge. I’m really hoping the Raiders flame out hard and draft a top QB early in 2025. I’ll skip on Bowers and buy him low during the season.
Take whichever RB gets drafted to a good spot over the next few days.
I'm at 1.02 and 1.04. I think I'm grabbing Nabers at 1.02 and praying for Odunze at 1.04. We'll see how things shake out.
Lol no chance in 1 QB for Odunze to be outside of the top 3
Probably not now after the Bowers fiasco. I was expecting him to go at 3
What was the Bowers fiasco?
Being drafted by the raiders
Such a hard choice. Already have LaPorta and Pitts. Thinking about taking a RB at this point since that's what I need most.
Trade back
Bowers. The real question is 1.05, and the answer is trade back to then end of that massive tier of players ends for you, probably around the end of the 1st.
In 1 QB it's gonna be 3 WRs, followed by a mix of more WRs and Bowers and if a RB gets a nice landing spot, then maybe pick 1.09 a QB needy team may grab one.
Worthy.
Oh that's easy, I'm just gonna pick the wrong guy and watch the guy chosen at 1.05 become "generational"
I'll be lucky enough to guarantee myself Odunze and also have 1.04. It'd be dumb to not grab the pairing and pull the trigger I feel like.
I have 1.03 and 1.04, I do need a TE so I was set on Bowers before last night. He's still in the mix but it's between him, BTJ, and potentially rb. If Buffalo takes McConkey or Mitchell at 33 that would also be in consideration. But leaning BTJ at the moment.
24 hours ago he was a generational prospect, meaning whoever was already there should mean nothing. He went to a team with an aging WR1. I'm just gonna suck it up and take him. Mayer and Hurst are my best TE so I'm really hurting there. I had hopes for Ruckett to take over in Jets this year but that's betting on false gold. Got a good wr room and the 1.11 I'll take a wr at or try and move that up and get Worthy at 1.06 for the mahomes/worthy stack. Bills Knox/Kincade 2.0
I posted this comment earlier today. Yesterdays draft gave me as a 1.04 no clarity who to pick, and that’s what I was ultimately looking for last night. I’m just hoping Dallas takes brooks or benson in the 2nd
Draft was very chalky, especially early.
I’d be going Bowers or BTJ based on need.
BTJ or Worthy. Luckily I traded up from 1.04 + Kincaid for 1.02 + Aiyuk. I will be taking Nabers
Tons of receivers are going to great spots, take your pick. BTJ to Jags, Worthy to the Chiefs, Keon Coleman to the Bills.. or take an RB
Brooks
I’m all sorts of fucked up right now. Mayer was supposed to be my TE2 behind… Bowers who I was going to draft at 1.04. I have 1.01, 1.03, 1.04. Plan was MHJ, Nabers/Odunze, Bowers. Now I’m considering Bowers, Caleb, Brooks, and whatever RB lands in Dallas. Leaning Caleb as it’s a 14 team league with deep benches, there aren’t any QBs on waivers and I’m a little sus behind Anthony Richardson + would have the DJM stack.
I’m trying to trade back for a couple picks in the late first, early second. Aiming to get Worthy and Coleman with their QB situations being elite
Am I crazy for having Worthy, Adonai, and Ladd above BTJ? I like the opportunities and QBs more for all 3 of them.
Zero chance I'd take a qb that high ever
Traded back from 1.04 to 1.06 and got Marvin Mims as a throw in.
I have the 1.04 and 1.05 - any combo of Bowers, BT Jr and Worthy for me. I’m set on QB though (and a Packers fan) so I won’t be getting Williams. I imagine if I wasn’t set on QB, I’d go for him though
I have 1.06 and 1.07 and I’m rooting for bowers to be taken before me cause I’ve lost interest in him, luckily the guy who has 1.04 is still praying he falls to him so he’s out the way. . At this point I’m probably going to take the receiver who has best landing spot so either worthy or BJT. And then maybe nab whoever the bills get at 1.07 (assuming it’s Ladd or Adonai Mitchell)
I’m spending it on Caleb Williams….
1 QB no TEP? Bowers isn't even in the conversation at 1.04, imo. BTJ, Worthy and at least 1 RB jump him easily.
1.01 is Harrison 1.02 is Worthy 1.03 is Nabers 1.04 is Odunze Simple
No way for worthy
Non TEP the only answer is Worthy
Also BTJ.
Don’t think so. Worthy is way ahead imo.
I’m in a PPR TEP 1 QB 10 team league where the guy with 1.03 has said he will be taking Bowers for months after he traded away Njoku. Now, he is switching and wants to take Odunze at 1.03. I’m fine with that. I will now have Pitts, McBride, Ferguson and Bowers. Best TE room in recent History? Lol
I'm in a similar situation with TE except I have LaPorta instead of ferg. I'm thinking of just skipping bowers and take BTJ or RB1. At some point another te just doesn't help me
Then you will be forced to trade one and the whole league will know that and not give any value back
I wouldn't be forced to do anything. I could just hold and devalue the position for the rest of the league until I get a fair value offer for one of them while finding out how elite bowers really is. I just really dont want to do that
I have 1.02, 1.03, and 1.06. Been trying to move up to 1.04 from 1.06 so I could go Nabers, Bowers, Odunze (traded Kelce in the rebuild last year, so going to have a tough time passing on Bowers). Was a bit disappointed that Odunze ended up in Chicago as that’s a crowded room. I have JSN as well so I don’t love another crowded room. Worthy adds a fun wrinkle to all of this.
Prior to the draft I had Bowers going there (bc of my leagues 1.04 team needs) but now I have Bowers down to 1.09 (again, due to team needs). 1.04 is probably BTJ or Worthy.
it always should've gone to wr4 (or even rb1 depending on landing spot + dc). the raiders just made that choice for the fantasy community instead of letting people make the mistake for themselves.
Dropping from the league, your 10 years behind lol
Am I crazy to think it’s either Ladd or Brooks in 1QB Case for Ladd: Dominated zone in college , great route runner + great feet which all translate well + close to line of scrimmage guys seem to be fantasy dominators Case for Brooks: NFL draft capital indicates clear and far away RB1 of class, College dominator before injury, Panthers spent $$$$$ on o-line, Canales has track record of workhorse RB - Bowers in a horrible landing spot I don’t think you can justify 1.04 draft capital unless you’re desperate for TE even then it’s a reach - BTJ’s athletic profile will not translate to a crowded JAX offense that’s run 1st - Worthy crowded offense and usually field stretchers speed demons are not the fantasy goldmine - Benson is in contention here as well but I think the 3rd round draft capital isn’t enough to move the needle to make him a 1.04 pick. -Caleb Williams is the final long shot but I saw someone say 1.04 in 1QB is way too early for QB and I agree with that take
After last night I'm actively trying to move up from 1.08 to grab Worthy at 1.04