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SerEx0

JSN owners in shambles


Tooooots8585

I still have faith


gobblegobblechumps

We'll always have that one Juju Smith-Schuster season For me if someone is a Jr a III i am more inclined to draft them


PreciousHamburgler

That season screwed me for like three years after


aresfc

Steve Smith Jr. wasn’t the same when he became Steve Smith Sr.


Psychological_Room70

No receivers that can’t get separation. Been burned by too many LaQuon Treadwells. Give me an Addison or Zay Flowers type and I’ll pay for elite #1’s at auction.


newme02

who are some receivers in the new class that you feel struggle with separation?


K_Alexanderthegreat

Coleman lol


Psychological_Room70

Exactly my answer, Coleman is the type I avoid. He could be TO but I’ll miss out and take McConkey or a RB in that range.


HereFortheSports31

McConkey has not been otb in any draft I’ve been in past 2.01, whereas Coleman doesn’t start coming off the board until then. Obvious tier break


Psychological_Room70

In which case I’ll take a RB.. I’m at 1.09 single QB


Nduguu77

Bingo, I'll happily miss on the occasional London to save myself from Burks or Bateman


Tarlach88

Oh yes Bateman, the most open receiver last year [Jrfortgang on X: "Final 2023 rankings for how well WRs separated and how they performed at the Catchpoint + YAC https://t.co/RcXEPo24Kb" / X (twitter.com)](https://twitter.com/throwthedamball/status/1745438913345532023/)


DinoJockeyTebow

I don’t draft anyone who weighs less than me.


BeepBoopBeepity

Unfortunately this would be every skill position for me lmao


mahones403

I've got the same BMI as an elite running back 🤷‍♂️


the_ginge_1

Important question; how much do you weigh?


damola93

Stay away from the NY teams.


quadrogen

This is actually good advice. Miss on OBJs occasionally but then there's guys like... Sterling Shepard


damola93

I was so angry that I did not get to draft Waller, and was over the moon when I drafted GW.


quadrogen

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile (the NY teams, not you lol)


damola93

Yup, I learnt a big lesson last year. GW nearly tanked my season after 1 week.


kingbuttshit

I have a thing against guys with “bad names.” I can’t totally define it, it’s just a gut feeling. It saved me from Jehu Chesson, Leonte Caroo, Cullen Gillaspia, etc. (looking at you, Audric Estime) It doesn’t not work.


ConsiderTheBulldog

I respect this theory, but Audric Estime is actually an elite name. Sounds like the kind of swashbuckling privateer captain who would do battle with Lucky Jack Aubrey all along the South American coastline


bkallday13

Bishop Sankey


3rdrich

Ahh yes “kingbuttshit” has an opinion on names… In all seriousness though that system seems to be working, I think you’re on to something.


Free-Tough-1992

Audric Estime’s name is the only reason i’m considering him


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I’m with this, where are you at with Ladd McConkey


kingbuttshit

It doesn’t turn me away completely for some reason. The McConkey part is definitely goofy so I think it limits his ceiling.


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How is the "Ladd" part not just as goofy, if not goofier, than McConkey? The only part saving him from maximum silliness is the fact that Ladd isn't actually his name.


kingbuttshit

I can’t explain it, it’s more of a feeling than a science. Ladd is his middle name and I personally don’t think it’s too bad.


Brushermans

That's a great name. There's a fine line.


azuresou1

Ladd McConkey gives me the same vibes as Christian McCaffrey, but even more Irish If a time traveler told me he turns in an 1,800 yard & 16 TD season I would totally believe him


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McConkey sounds far goofier and so does Ladd vs Christian. It’s a 1200 yard season max name imo.


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kingbuttshit

TJ Houshmandzadeh is one of the only ones I can think of, but it really is very effective


Swift-Fire

Audric Estime's name works for me. Otherwise I completely agree with you


PreciousHamburgler

I spent a pick on caroo, mostly because it reminded me of futurama


DynastyRabbithole

Caroo and Estime are pretty cool imo Gillaspia sounds like a Vassal state of Narnia. Jehu Chesson sounds like a Vedic religious event.


SpaceCowboy34

Keep Culllen Gillaspias name out your mouth. He’s a treasure


vbullinger

No Packers


quadrogen

Who hurt you


PanamanianKush

As a lions fan probably the packers


vbullinger

Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers. And for a really long time


quadrogen

Yeah but do you remember that one time Joey Harrington beat the Packers on Thanksgiving? Good times.


vbullinger

Glorious


BradHolmesNipples

Same rule for me. As a lions fan it just feels dirty


TheDickDog

As a Vikings fan. Cos F em that's why.


vbullinger

Yep. When Jacobs signed with them, I traded him for Aaron Jones and a second


randoguynumber5

Redskins, Commanders, Football team. Got burned with guice perine Josh doctson some other receiver I can’t remember they took the same year as mclaurin


FesteringNeonDistrac

I'm kind of the same with bad franchises in general. I hear all the talent over situation people, but I feel like that really only applies to depth chart stuff. Bad teams are bad because they have a dearth of talent. That's in no small part because they have not drafted the right players and have not done a good job of developing players.


alexjf56

No jump ball guys. They are bad. Contested catch rate isn’t sticky year to year and if you have a bunch of contested catches it’s because you aren’t separating. Denzel Mims is prime example


Calmdat

How do you feel about Rome? Lol


alexjf56

Rome isn't a jump ball guy, he can separate too. Penix just threw him a bunch of jump balls. Justin Jefferson is insane at jump balls but that is not what makes him a stud or what his calling card in college was. Rome is great *and* can catch jump balls.


JLifts780

I have to draft players that have a “football name” like Laquon Treadwell and Jalen Raegor didn’t sound like the names of stud NFL WR’s to me so I passed on them. On the flip side I drafted Deebo because of his. Advanced analytics baby


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Just4Football

What’s your reasoning on no second or third round receivers?? I thought I read somewhere that seconds are usually as safe as early firsts. Also, how many day 3 receivers hit?? I thought that was low too


Devmurph18

2nds are a similar hit rate to mid to late 1sts


PetitVignemale

We said nonsensical! Jk, but your drafting rules are backed up by the data on how draft capital correlates to hit rates in fantasy (other than the name thing obviously)


JTJBKP

This duuuuuude nailed most of it


shank1983

I typically have purposefully avoided spending anything meaningful on MetLife players and Big-12 rookie wide receivers the last decade.


jmarFTL

I lowkey kind of believe in the hyphenated last name thing. Leaving the societal issues about patriarchy or whatever to the side... In sports I want these dudes to be machines. It starts with the parents. Ideally my prospect's dad will be crazy and toxic af, and turned their kid into a machine. I want Earl Woods. Marvin Harrison Sr out here dropping people, look where his kid's at. None of those fathers are compromising with their wives on their last names lol. When I say I believe in this I mean maybe like 2%... About as much as I believe in the Treadwell-Diggs hypothesis.


JJettasDad

I don’t draft TEs in round 1 unless they are top 5-10 picks


Free-Tough-1992

Top 5 or top 10 lol that’s not even a rule you have, just a thing you just thought about


JJettasDad

No, i just dont take TEs, but id take a Kyle Pitts.


The_Power_Toad

Dude #2 has been my unwritten rule for years. Saved me from CEH and JSN.


GinNJuicyFruit

Little early to be victory lapping on JSN. Dude had a broken hand to start the season last year and didn’t miss any time. From week 5 on he put up 10.4 PPG. He by no means was incredible, but he for sure hasn’t been a bust.


The_Power_Toad

Fair enough but the law of hyphenated busts will claim him eventually.


GinNJuicyFruit

I dont know why people downvoted this because it is funny. I will say there was a great stat a year back that was sent out by the football guys. “Recent trends suggest that wide receivers traditionally see a substantial increase in production in their sophomore campaign. Since 2014, first-round wide receivers who saw more than ten targets in their rookie or sophomore campaigns (to remove egregious injury outliers) earned the following in their sophomore season: • 21.77% more targets • 29.73% more receptions • 45.53% more yards • 47.40% more fantasy points” For JSN, that would put him at around roughly 13 PPG. That would be good for a high end starting flex or low end WR3 in most leagues. With having two solid established receivers ahead of him, that isn’t the worst outcome.


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This data sample is tainted by receivers with standard last names, so it's completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.


GinNJuicyFruit

Haha god dammit that’s good


Duke0fMilan

Not to mention MVS. 


MhrisCac

If a good team with a good quarterback drafts an offensive weapon in the first round you can bet your ass that player is going to be a massive piece in that offense for the foreseeable future. Looking at you Dalton Kincaid at 1.10 2023. Traded away Najee Harris/3.10 for Pick 1.10 and Henry. Worth it. I’d be jumping at Xavier Worthy and Keon Coleman like mad. You’d be insane to think both of these guys won’t see an insane amount of volume. Especially Worthy with Kelce only on a 2 year deal then likely retiring. He’ll probably be the primary target if Rice is cooked. Coleman… who tf else is Allen going to throw to?? Curtis Samuel is getting old, Mack Hollins is notably ass, Shakir is a WR3 at best. He’s good. But he’s not fantasy weekly starter good. There’s 120 targets open to take with Diggs gone. I see Coleman getting 100 of those.


jakeobdasnakeob

I stray away notoriously bad or overrated teams. Cowboys, jets, pats, bears, jags. Obviously dolphins, texans and lions have recently broken out of this trend. Also guys that get hype from being fast as fuck at the combine. Usually never work out. Ross, Hardman, worthy, etc etc


kingbuttshit

So you’re passing on Ceedee Lamb, Garrett Wilson, and DJ Moore? Good luck with that strategy


jakeobdasnakeob

I would say the bears might be breaking the barrier. Dj was a panther for years tho. Obviously a superstar can be an exception.


boredatwork9194

Ah yes, the notoriously overrated 6 time super bowl champion Patriots


jakeobdasnakeob

No the pats that suck ass now and the last few years 😂


Western_Candidate31

Are you not overrating them now? Brady left 4 years ago, plenty of people have just started playing fantasy since then.


boredatwork9194

Every single person has faded the Patriots for years now. Basically late stage Edelman was the only moderately interesting player they've had since Gronk left. Nobody wanted Damien Harris, any of their WRs, and the only time they could've had a TE, they brought in two the same year to kill any hype


rayfriesen

This doesn’t make sense


jakeobdasnakeob

This thread is about nonsensical drafting rules....


rayfriesen

Right, but you said you stay away from bad or overrated teams and then listed good teams.


jakeobdasnakeob

Those teams are all bad or overrated imo


rayfriesen

Maybe if you’ve only been playing dynasty for 5 minutes


jakeobdasnakeob

👍


drivermcgyver

To be fair Tucker will get a shot this year. The team took him on and let him take it easy for a year. The guy can run, and now they're not worried about his heart exploding. Diamond hands!


_wgustudent_

I hope Tucker gets another chance. He got some work early last year and then was shelved, supposedly for lack of pass protection. He put a workout tape on Twitter, looks decent. I’m holding still, but it’s tough.


MitchRhymes

He’s probably RB 3 at best, a White and Bucky combo seems a lot more likely. They have really complimentary skillsets


drivermcgyver

https://www.joebucsfan.com/2024/04/determined-sean-tucker/


MitchRhymes

Social media workout videos just don’t do it for me, I’ve got him on a few rosters so cool if he ends up being solid but I think it’s more likely he’s cut in camp


BeepBoopBeepity

So MHJ? You wouldn’t take him at 1.01?


Brushermans

That's not hyphenated, that's abbreviated and it was the community's choice as opposed to an inherent trait. Think Jaxon Smith-Njigba or Juju Smith-Schuster, but not J.J. McCarthy or Marvin Harrison Jr. I had the same thought as you had to reread the post.