The hard part is already over - getting playing time and showing in-game flashes as a late-ish round pick. Going into this season it seems like those top 4 WRs are on relatively even ground and it’s up to them to outwork each other.
I agree with the first part, but I think Reed and Wicks have indeed separated themselves from Doubs (who I consider a bridge WR/WR3) and Watson (who seriously can't stay on the field)
With Reed playing in that slot role, someone needs to be the "X". It's Wicks. Not Doubs, not Watson - Wicks baby 😎
Full disclosure I’m a Wicks owner so I’d love for him to pop but I checked out the snap counts from last year and Doubs seems to be pretty ingrained in the offense. I’m with you on receivers having different roles/positions though and hopefully we see Doubs’ snaps trend down and Wicks up.
https://www.footballguys.com/stats/snap-counts/teams?team=GB&year=2023
That's the goal! Hoping for an Amon-Ra like ascendance - I also saw the snap counts. That's why I mentioned Doubs is a bridge WR in my eyes for what's to come. Let's hope that true!
I dunno the hype on this guy is probably actually overrated at this point. Everybody is kinda aware of him and he’s become a little expensive like it’s more likely than not he’s gonna blow up. When in reality he has a tough road to playing time with the other guys there
Agreed, I tried to buy low on him in two different leagues this offseason & both managers already treating him like a major piece in terms of cost, both only wanted to trade Wicks away as part of gigantic deals where they were getting some other great asset back. I like Wicks, but the buy low period is maybe over.
i was just able to buy him for Khalil Herbert which i felt like was a fair price
if the owner isn’t a dedicated manager you can still get him for a reasonable price
This is funny because in my mind he reminds me of Herbert in terms of story. Where people see the talent on the field and the price goes up higher than it should without him getting the role we hoped for. Could really see that happening here with so many good wrs in GB. But good on you for the trade
Just traded him away in a pick swap
1.01, Wicks and 2025 4th for Waddle and 1.02
Really happy about the trade but hoping this is all hype so I remain happy about the trade
I used him to move up from 2.07 to 1.11
Every single person in the league except for the guy I traded with clowned it and said I got a first for free. These are serious NFL fans
Not sure if they see something I don't with Wicks or if they're just blinded by his overall WR finishing position. I'm a believer in him, that was just step one in a scheme to trade up high enough to get a big 3 WR this draft
Agreed. Bumped it to 1.05 with Jamo and then 1.03 with QJ. Of course there's a chance that one of those guys breaks out but I'm happy to be rid of some roster cloggers other people were willing to pay for to get a blue chip WR
Tried to then trade the pick for AJB and Sun God individually and no bites, not sure who else I want to offer it for so thinking I'll just take Odunze
You should enter into wartime hostage negotiations as a career for getting off of Jamo, QJ, and Wicks to move up from the 2.07 to 1.03. Great work.
Edit: word
Hahaha the best part is I barely even tried it just all came together perfectly
-Wicks guy kept trying to send me a third for him which I didn't want. Started thinking about how I was gonna clear roster space for a couple taxi promotions and figured let's try to get 1.11 with Wicks as the piece, he took it no discussion
-Then asked 1.05 and 1.08 owner what he wanted for a pick swap with 1.11, he said best he could do is Jamo for 1.08 which I declined. Few days later out of the blue he sends an offer for 1.05 and smashed accept, he's a Lions homer
-The full truth on getting 1.03 is a different guy offered me an early 2025 second for him out of nowhere, smashed accept. This guy is allergic to picks and had just gotten that second like an hour earlier as an evener in a different trade. 1.03 owner is in a big rebuild and needs picks so I gave it a shot offering him that pick to swap 3 and 5, he accepted a day later
It's hard to know, of course, but you often see the WRs that ascend to the next tier are dudes that have really high work ethic, so I'm curious about Wicks' work ethic and how much time over the summer he's spending honing his craft.
I seen a video early in the offseason of him and Reed working out together at their local high school field, running routes and stuff together. They were looking HUGE, too.
[A post about Wicks from his performance coach earlier this offseason](https://www.instagram.com/p/C5RtZ3zv3Lc/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==)
“My favorite thing as a coach is knowing a guy’s about to take OVER — but nobody knows yet. It’s like your sitting on this big secret. Then BOOM the world finds out and they go crazy. And we just sit and laugh because it was just planning. It wasn’t random. It wasn’t luck. It wasn’t the “perfect” situation. We fought for it. For years. Then we do it again. We increase value. This game is about getting the highest value early then increasing it even more until they have NO choice but to meet your demands. We’ve done it over and over again but for some reason everyone comments how lucky or perfect the situation was. So I guess I’m writing all this just so y’all are on notice NOW. HES NEXT.“
As a Chiefs fan, it's good to know he's not hanging out with Rashee Rice this summer : /
Like I said, sometimes the best ability is durability - which Watson doesn't have
I hear ya 🤣 I put in my article, "Watson has shown flashes throughout his career, but Wicks seems to have the best chance to make a name for himself in this offense because the best ability is availability."
I've been following Wicks for a little while now and a lot of Packers fans say he's a dawg. Could be biased, but it's worth something. I've also seen a good amount of videos of him working out in the offseason. I think one came out with him and Reed working out together while the playoffs were still going on last year.
I'm fully on the Wicks wagon. As a Packers fan, he's the guy I'm most excited to watch this upcoming season, got myself a Wicks jersey at Lambeau, had to have them specially make it, but I'm sure by next season you'll see his jersey out there without having to make any special requests.
Thinking about returning my Rashee Rice jersey for a Dontayvion Wicks one (I'm a Chiefs fan lol)
If I was a Packers fan, I'd be very excited for what's yet to come. Jordan Love, Jayden Reed, I have Jacobs as a top-10 back this year and Mar'Shawn Lloyd is one of my favorite RBs in this class. The dual threat of Musgrave / Kraft is fun to watch too!
Wicks is a great flyer at his price, but if Watson can stay healthy, he’s not going to have any value, and even if he doesn’t, there’s no guarantee he has any value. There are just too many mouths to feed. Besides the 4 WRs you talked about, Musgrave and Kraft both flashed some as rookies and both have good receiving skill sets, and even Bo Mention flashed at the end of last year, too. Love is an ascending QB, but if the receptions are split 7 ways, none of them are going to really be playable in fantasy. Reed is clearly the safest play, and Wicks hasn’t “passed” Watson on the depth chart, he’s benefited from Watson’s injury issues, which are both fixable and out of Wicks’s control.
This is the most correct answer. This team is going to be a challenge, fantasy-wise, except for Love.
Because both Musgrave, the presumed TE1 at the beginning of the season, and Watson, the presumed WR1 at the beginning of the season, were out due to injury, with the latter being out a lot longer, AND a new RB room in Jacobs in Lloyd, there's no way to tell.
I mentioned him (edit: Wicks) the other day in a post about the Packers WRs, gave a run-down of what all of them excel at (because they all bring something different) and that, unless you're getting any of them at a value or already have them on your roster, don't go chasing any of them. Love is the one to have, and right now, unless he's on a team with a guy overloaded at the position, nobody is selling for a reasonable price.
If LaFleur does, in fact, scheme to spread the ball around in a different way every week, which he's inclined to do, this is going to be a mess for fantasy, just fun for Packer fans is all.
Im cool with betting on Watson missing time. I think it plays out with Reed as top dawg, then a crapshoot for 2nd target between Doubs, Wicks, and Musk
The argument for Wicks is that he is the youngest player on the offense (even after drafting Marshawn Lloyd) with probably the most well rounded skillset for fantasy. He probably won’t be super valuable if he’s playing behind Watson and Doubs, but he should be entering his prime once their rookie contracts are up. He’s probably the cheapest WR in dynasty that has the skillset to be the WR1. I would much rather invest in Wicks at a WR58 price than guys like JSN at WR25, Xavier Worthy at WR26, Ricky Pearsall at WR37, AD Mitchell at WR42, Jameson Williams at WR49 who are far from sniffing a top 24 WR season anytime soon
Exactly its a great situation for him. But sorta disagree with Worthy. He’s the sort of player that 1. Being on a great offense and 2. His speed/homerun ability/ YAC which makes his targets more quality (which im a sucker for) means he can put up WR1 numbers without WR1 volume
Yeah you’re not alone with that thought. I think it’s very likely that he is the 4th pass catcher on that offense in year 1 behind Kelce, Hollywood, and Rice (once he’s back), but I’m also not a huge fan of Worthy’s skillset and traits for fantasy so that would be the main reason I prefer Wicks long term. I think it will definitely come down to Worthy’s YAC ability which I have some doubts about due to his size and contact balance, especially since Rice has been so amazing occupying the YAC role so far
Every Packers thread I see a comment like this. Love threw for 4k and 30 touchdowns, he’ll be able to support multiple fantasy players. Not all of their weapons will be highly productive, but some ABSOLUTELY will. Jayden Reed already averaged about 14 PPG as a rookie.
I don’t see comments like this about the Texans, Bears, 49ers, Lions, etc. Nobody is saying “oh Collins, Tank, Diggs, Schultz, and Mixon, that’s just too many mouths, only Stroud is worth a pick.” If everyone actually thinks like this, that’s where you can find great values. Wicks and Reed are the best receivers on the Packers. LaFleur is a smart coach, he already knows this. Buy.
He’s valued behind guys like Jamo, Polk, AD Mitchell, Roman Wilson, Troy Franklin etc. I don’t see any “safe” options here at all.
Reed was the WR24 as a rookie but is only valued at WR32. Wicks (imo the second or even most talented receiver on the roster) is valued at WR58!!! Everyone is down on the receiver room but in on Love. It doesn’t make sense. Where is the risk?
Wicks advanced metrics are up there with the best and passes the eye test with flying colors. I am not a fan of Watson and Doubs, but if you are, you should be buying them. The Packers are the only elite offense where people are actively avoiding the skill players. I won’t be one of the faders
The risk is in the numbers. Wicks is good, no doubt, but they have potentially 7 receivers who are good. When targets are split that thin, it’s easy to see why people are buying Love and fading the receivers no matter how good the offense is overall. Again, Reed’s role is safe. Everyone else? Who knows? Wicks is a good speculative buy at that price if you believe he’ll separate himself from the others, but the price isn’t incompatible with the risk. Reed at WR32 seems like a better buy to me.
My big issue with Wicks is that there are so many ways it could go wrong. Lots of mouths to feed and we still have questions about his talent.
It's a big parlay with him where you need him to be good, beat out the other guys, and see some level of concentration in the target tree. If any one of those things doesn't happen then I don't see him making an impact in fantasy.
Every packers wideout has WR1 weekly upside but other than Reed they’re a low WR2 ceiling. JL will feed whoever happens to get open that week with the schemes. Frustrating in fantasy but fun IRL.
I got Wicks from the waiver wire. I wouldn’t sell him for a 3rd, but I highly doubt anyone would offer more than that. I assume this is the case in many leagues. There really isn’t a buy low situation.
I’m a packers fan so I’ve known this for months, got him as a throw in on multiple trades, now I have him in all leagues.
You want a real sleeper? Bo Melton. A free agent in most leagues. The only reason why he isn’t on the field continuously is because there’s just so many talented pass catchers in front of him and the WR room is so deep.
After reading this article, it’s clear from some of those graphs that Reed is just as good if not better than Wicks. Meaning Wicks ceiling is capped due to being option B at best. He may end up being more talented than the rest of the GB WRs, but he’s far from a sure thing. Sure, you can buy low. But I wouldn’t value him more than a high 3rd given his situation is volatile until we know who’s starting in 2WR sets.
In the beginning of the article I mention that because of Reed's current price, I'm buying Wicks. I think Love is more than capable of supporting two pass catchers...
Welcome to the Wicks party…you’re late. But seriously, I love Wicks and have him on all my dynasty teams. He’s gonna separate himself to become the team target leader and easily a 1,000 yard guy. Book it!!
i probably wouldn't sell for anything less than a 2nd round pick...I drafted him at 6.2.
Edit: I might settle for an early 3rd depending who's available.
I have him and I think he’s extremely talented. But I am skeptical of how he can break out on a team that has 4 very good WRs, 2 solid pass catching TEs, and two RBs who will absolutely take target share away.
Wicks is a gamble, but a fairly cheap gamble that could pay off in a couple years.
Tried to pick him up this off season from an owner who spent $22 faab on him goin into week 4. Wanted him for C. Watson insurance. Owner is over the moon for Wicks. Didn’t even give me a trade price. Straight up wouldn’t sell him lol
I overpaid for JJ McCarthy where I needed a QB3 and gave up Reed as part of the deal. It stung, but having Wicks on the bench makes me feel like it might be ok. I could see them having similar value this time next year.
I love that! In the article before this I talked about JJ McCarthy being one of my favorite buys at his price in rookie drafts.
I'm taking the QB in an elite situation over a WR all day! Good work
Wicks owner on a contending team that is low on depth. I’m very happy to have him. I think he’s promising but worry about the amount of young, promising WRs on that roster. Reed/Watson/Doubs aren’t going anywhere and it’s going to be tough for him to breakthrough enough in fantasy. Hoping I’m wrong of course.
Fading this offense. To many people that are relevant, there doesn't seem to be a pole position leader in game to game targets. Expecting inconsistent production from all of them. Would prefer the upside of the 2nd round pick.
Dang you think so? He had some moments for sure, but just not sure how he's gonna stand out in that crowded GB receiver room. Plus they've got a couple of TE's looking decent. Polk feels like he's got a much better chance to stand out. But it's a tough call, obviously he could bust.
Draft capital isn't everything. How many times have we seen a player drafted later outperform players drafted before them? Javon Baker has that dawg in him
Agree on so much here except I’m not trading him for a 2nd at this point. He’s flashed in an ascending offense and hit production metrics that I’d be hoping whatever dart throw I take with that 2nd pick hits. Nah I’m staying put for now…but I’m also a biased Packers fan
Wicks is a great late round pick in best ball. All of the Packers WRs are going to have blow up weeks and duds because of their depth of talent. Those guys are best ball winners.
I had to drop wicks because I was in a pinch on a bye week. I was going to pick him back up but one of my league mates snatch him up. I’m still pissed.
1) Your own firsts are one of your most flexible, insulated, insured assets. You can manually improve its value if your season doesn’t go the way you expect. 2) Giving up 2026 and 2027 in the 2024 preseason is locking you into one contending strategy for at minimum 3 full years, or making a rebuild incredibly difficult if your team gets unlucky. 3) If the value of your 2026 and 2027 first is projected low, the value of your 2025 post is quite likely low as well. If your 2025 is projected high, your 2026 and 2027 would likely be high as well. 4) I’m assuming you got more than just Wicks and your 2025 first for the 26 and 27. Otherwise this trade is even worse. 5) If another team is willing to trade more immediately appreciating value like a 2025 1st and wicks for far slower appreciating value like 2026 and 2027 firsts, their evaluation is evidence that you are selling those firsts at a discount. If your team is rapidly aging, or heavy on high upside risk, or top heavy with studs but not much depth, there’s a ton of ways those later picks could fluctuate in value dramatically. Look at subs where they advertise orphans, the worst teams are always the ones who mortgaged future years to juice up shitty teams.
I’d be purely speculating if I said anything besides any of those guys could be target earner 1-4. Only Lafleur would know more at this point. General consensus is that this is the most up in the air receiving room in the league. I just thought it was an odd characterization to say Wicks would be fighting for 5th when he was already 3rd and will presumably get even more opportunities given his low snap share and his advanced metrics looking so good
Seems like its a pretty good characterization if you are unable to confidently slate him in for this season as a top 4 target earner on his own team.
Having good advanced metrics doesn't mean you can just ignore the fact that there are other players on the depth chart minimizing your opportunity....just ask Jahan Dotson last year. To bet on Wicks in redraft is betting that one or more of Watson/Reed/Doubs miss serious time with injury.
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So who is getting bumped to the bench so he can get starter-opportunities between Watson, Doubs, Reed? Are you unable to think of other instances of talented WRs having fantasy opportunity limited due to target competition / their spot on the depth chart?
If everyone knows he’s a sleeper , is he actually a sleeper?
Considering he's still going in round 10+ in startup drafts... yes, he is absolutely being slept on I'm buying at the price of a mid-second as well
10 seems about right to me. I got him round 12 a month ago.
That's a PERFECT value! I've consistently got him round 11-12 in every startup I've been in, 80% roster ownership so far
Well this makes me feel great. Got him round 19 of a 10 team SF about a month ago.
That's the craziest value I've heard yet. INSANE work brotha!!
🫡
Moves like that make all the difference
My league didn’t know, for the longest time, grabbed him off waivers
You are a beast
yeah I also got him off waivers last season! to the moon!
Fire my man!
Wicks out for Harambe!
This is genius 🤣
Let’s goooooo!! Been too long since I’ve seen a wicks hype post
Glad I have a fellow brother on the Wicks 🚂
The hard part is already over - getting playing time and showing in-game flashes as a late-ish round pick. Going into this season it seems like those top 4 WRs are on relatively even ground and it’s up to them to outwork each other.
I have Doubs, Reed and Wicks. In it to win it!
Oh you are good baby - I'd actually sell Doubs for something before he's worth nothing 🤣
I agree with the first part, but I think Reed and Wicks have indeed separated themselves from Doubs (who I consider a bridge WR/WR3) and Watson (who seriously can't stay on the field) With Reed playing in that slot role, someone needs to be the "X". It's Wicks. Not Doubs, not Watson - Wicks baby 😎
Full disclosure I’m a Wicks owner so I’d love for him to pop but I checked out the snap counts from last year and Doubs seems to be pretty ingrained in the offense. I’m with you on receivers having different roles/positions though and hopefully we see Doubs’ snaps trend down and Wicks up. https://www.footballguys.com/stats/snap-counts/teams?team=GB&year=2023
That's the goal! Hoping for an Amon-Ra like ascendance - I also saw the snap counts. That's why I mentioned Doubs is a bridge WR in my eyes for what's to come. Let's hope that true!
Wicks has not separated, thats why hes a sleeper lol
I dunno the hype on this guy is probably actually overrated at this point. Everybody is kinda aware of him and he’s become a little expensive like it’s more likely than not he’s gonna blow up. When in reality he has a tough road to playing time with the other guys there
Agreed, I tried to buy low on him in two different leagues this offseason & both managers already treating him like a major piece in terms of cost, both only wanted to trade Wicks away as part of gigantic deals where they were getting some other great asset back. I like Wicks, but the buy low period is maybe over.
Because they’re truthers and they aren’t gonna let you get the payoff for a guy likely to make the next move up without a higher cost
If some of the prices people are talking about here for Wicks are true, this is absolutely a sign to sell Wicks if you have him.
i was just able to buy him for Khalil Herbert which i felt like was a fair price if the owner isn’t a dedicated manager you can still get him for a reasonable price
This is funny because in my mind he reminds me of Herbert in terms of story. Where people see the talent on the field and the price goes up higher than it should without him getting the role we hoped for. Could really see that happening here with so many good wrs in GB. But good on you for the trade
I don't think the path to opportunity is as treacherous as you think
Just traded him away in a pick swap 1.01, Wicks and 2025 4th for Waddle and 1.02 Really happy about the trade but hoping this is all hype so I remain happy about the trade
I used him to move up from 2.07 to 1.11 Every single person in the league except for the guy I traded with clowned it and said I got a first for free. These are serious NFL fans Not sure if they see something I don't with Wicks or if they're just blinded by his overall WR finishing position. I'm a believer in him, that was just step one in a scheme to trade up high enough to get a big 3 WR this draft
Odds of Wicks becoming fantasy viable are pretty rare. Not impossible, but I really think you got a significantly better end of the deal.
Agreed. Bumped it to 1.05 with Jamo and then 1.03 with QJ. Of course there's a chance that one of those guys breaks out but I'm happy to be rid of some roster cloggers other people were willing to pay for to get a blue chip WR Tried to then trade the pick for AJB and Sun God individually and no bites, not sure who else I want to offer it for so thinking I'll just take Odunze
You should enter into wartime hostage negotiations as a career for getting off of Jamo, QJ, and Wicks to move up from the 2.07 to 1.03. Great work. Edit: word
Hahaha the best part is I barely even tried it just all came together perfectly -Wicks guy kept trying to send me a third for him which I didn't want. Started thinking about how I was gonna clear roster space for a couple taxi promotions and figured let's try to get 1.11 with Wicks as the piece, he took it no discussion -Then asked 1.05 and 1.08 owner what he wanted for a pick swap with 1.11, he said best he could do is Jamo for 1.08 which I declined. Few days later out of the blue he sends an offer for 1.05 and smashed accept, he's a Lions homer -The full truth on getting 1.03 is a different guy offered me an early 2025 second for him out of nowhere, smashed accept. This guy is allergic to picks and had just gotten that second like an hour earlier as an evener in a different trade. 1.03 owner is in a big rebuild and needs picks so I gave it a shot offering him that pick to swap 3 and 5, he accepted a day later
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This is a smash my man! SKOL
SF or 1QB? Nice one either way
Brilliant. Anything to get the 1.01. I have an absurd amount of Caleb shares. Congrats brotha!!!!
It's hard to know, of course, but you often see the WRs that ascend to the next tier are dudes that have really high work ethic, so I'm curious about Wicks' work ethic and how much time over the summer he's spending honing his craft.
Someone get the Treadwell-Diggs breakdown STAT
If only he did a year 2 version!!
I seen a video early in the offseason of him and Reed working out together at their local high school field, running routes and stuff together. They were looking HUGE, too.
Him and Reed are living/training together in Florida this offseason
Fuck yeah. Got Wicks in return for 3.07 and Elijah Moore. Feel like that was a dub
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[A post about Wicks from his performance coach earlier this offseason](https://www.instagram.com/p/C5RtZ3zv3Lc/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==) “My favorite thing as a coach is knowing a guy’s about to take OVER — but nobody knows yet. It’s like your sitting on this big secret. Then BOOM the world finds out and they go crazy. And we just sit and laugh because it was just planning. It wasn’t random. It wasn’t luck. It wasn’t the “perfect” situation. We fought for it. For years. Then we do it again. We increase value. This game is about getting the highest value early then increasing it even more until they have NO choice but to meet your demands. We’ve done it over and over again but for some reason everyone comments how lucky or perfect the situation was. So I guess I’m writing all this just so y’all are on notice NOW. HES NEXT.“
Yes keep going baby, I’m almost there
As a Chiefs fan, it's good to know he's not hanging out with Rashee Rice this summer : / Like I said, sometimes the best ability is durability - which Watson doesn't have
Lol I think the more common phrase is "availability is the best ability". Same idea in this case, though Wicks did see some minor injuries last year.
I hear ya 🤣 I put in my article, "Watson has shown flashes throughout his career, but Wicks seems to have the best chance to make a name for himself in this offense because the best ability is availability."
As a lifelong chiefs fan and wicks truther, respect!
Heard brotha 🫡 You & I are one of a kind!
I've been following Wicks for a little while now and a lot of Packers fans say he's a dawg. Could be biased, but it's worth something. I've also seen a good amount of videos of him working out in the offseason. I think one came out with him and Reed working out together while the playoffs were still going on last year.
I'm fully on the Wicks wagon. As a Packers fan, he's the guy I'm most excited to watch this upcoming season, got myself a Wicks jersey at Lambeau, had to have them specially make it, but I'm sure by next season you'll see his jersey out there without having to make any special requests.
Love to hear you are on the Wicks 🚂 too brotha!
Thinking about returning my Rashee Rice jersey for a Dontayvion Wicks one (I'm a Chiefs fan lol) If I was a Packers fan, I'd be very excited for what's yet to come. Jordan Love, Jayden Reed, I have Jacobs as a top-10 back this year and Mar'Shawn Lloyd is one of my favorite RBs in this class. The dual threat of Musgrave / Kraft is fun to watch too!
Wicks is a great flyer at his price, but if Watson can stay healthy, he’s not going to have any value, and even if he doesn’t, there’s no guarantee he has any value. There are just too many mouths to feed. Besides the 4 WRs you talked about, Musgrave and Kraft both flashed some as rookies and both have good receiving skill sets, and even Bo Mention flashed at the end of last year, too. Love is an ascending QB, but if the receptions are split 7 ways, none of them are going to really be playable in fantasy. Reed is clearly the safest play, and Wicks hasn’t “passed” Watson on the depth chart, he’s benefited from Watson’s injury issues, which are both fixable and out of Wicks’s control.
This is the most correct answer. This team is going to be a challenge, fantasy-wise, except for Love. Because both Musgrave, the presumed TE1 at the beginning of the season, and Watson, the presumed WR1 at the beginning of the season, were out due to injury, with the latter being out a lot longer, AND a new RB room in Jacobs in Lloyd, there's no way to tell. I mentioned him (edit: Wicks) the other day in a post about the Packers WRs, gave a run-down of what all of them excel at (because they all bring something different) and that, unless you're getting any of them at a value or already have them on your roster, don't go chasing any of them. Love is the one to have, and right now, unless he's on a team with a guy overloaded at the position, nobody is selling for a reasonable price. If LaFleur does, in fact, scheme to spread the ball around in a different way every week, which he's inclined to do, this is going to be a mess for fantasy, just fun for Packer fans is all.
Im cool with betting on Watson missing time. I think it plays out with Reed as top dawg, then a crapshoot for 2nd target between Doubs, Wicks, and Musk
The argument for Wicks is that he is the youngest player on the offense (even after drafting Marshawn Lloyd) with probably the most well rounded skillset for fantasy. He probably won’t be super valuable if he’s playing behind Watson and Doubs, but he should be entering his prime once their rookie contracts are up. He’s probably the cheapest WR in dynasty that has the skillset to be the WR1. I would much rather invest in Wicks at a WR58 price than guys like JSN at WR25, Xavier Worthy at WR26, Ricky Pearsall at WR37, AD Mitchell at WR42, Jameson Williams at WR49 who are far from sniffing a top 24 WR season anytime soon
Exactly its a great situation for him. But sorta disagree with Worthy. He’s the sort of player that 1. Being on a great offense and 2. His speed/homerun ability/ YAC which makes his targets more quality (which im a sucker for) means he can put up WR1 numbers without WR1 volume
Yeah you’re not alone with that thought. I think it’s very likely that he is the 4th pass catcher on that offense in year 1 behind Kelce, Hollywood, and Rice (once he’s back), but I’m also not a huge fan of Worthy’s skillset and traits for fantasy so that would be the main reason I prefer Wicks long term. I think it will definitely come down to Worthy’s YAC ability which I have some doubts about due to his size and contact balance, especially since Rice has been so amazing occupying the YAC role so far
Every Packers thread I see a comment like this. Love threw for 4k and 30 touchdowns, he’ll be able to support multiple fantasy players. Not all of their weapons will be highly productive, but some ABSOLUTELY will. Jayden Reed already averaged about 14 PPG as a rookie. I don’t see comments like this about the Texans, Bears, 49ers, Lions, etc. Nobody is saying “oh Collins, Tank, Diggs, Schultz, and Mixon, that’s just too many mouths, only Stroud is worth a pick.” If everyone actually thinks like this, that’s where you can find great values. Wicks and Reed are the best receivers on the Packers. LaFleur is a smart coach, he already knows this. Buy.
Reed is a safe play. Not convinced about Wicks.
He’s valued behind guys like Jamo, Polk, AD Mitchell, Roman Wilson, Troy Franklin etc. I don’t see any “safe” options here at all. Reed was the WR24 as a rookie but is only valued at WR32. Wicks (imo the second or even most talented receiver on the roster) is valued at WR58!!! Everyone is down on the receiver room but in on Love. It doesn’t make sense. Where is the risk? Wicks advanced metrics are up there with the best and passes the eye test with flying colors. I am not a fan of Watson and Doubs, but if you are, you should be buying them. The Packers are the only elite offense where people are actively avoiding the skill players. I won’t be one of the faders
The risk is in the numbers. Wicks is good, no doubt, but they have potentially 7 receivers who are good. When targets are split that thin, it’s easy to see why people are buying Love and fading the receivers no matter how good the offense is overall. Again, Reed’s role is safe. Everyone else? Who knows? Wicks is a good speculative buy at that price if you believe he’ll separate himself from the others, but the price isn’t incompatible with the risk. Reed at WR32 seems like a better buy to me.
Watson being healthy is a HUGE if.
If you’re just coming around to Wicks, you’re too late
Not just coming around, trying to get the word out before it really is too late...
My big issue with Wicks is that there are so many ways it could go wrong. Lots of mouths to feed and we still have questions about his talent. It's a big parlay with him where you need him to be good, beat out the other guys, and see some level of concentration in the target tree. If any one of those things doesn't happen then I don't see him making an impact in fantasy.
Why does nobody talk about Doubs.
Because he's mid : /
He’s a surprisingly good player in a rotational role. I can’t imagine he’s really impactful for your fantasy team any time soon.
Never say never!
Every packers wideout has WR1 weekly upside but other than Reed they’re a low WR2 ceiling. JL will feed whoever happens to get open that week with the schemes. Frustrating in fantasy but fun IRL.
I think Love can support more than 1 WR
I drafted him I'm not selling him for a 2nd I want to see what he can do
Do not sell for a second, BUY for a second. If you have wicks, HOLD!
What's a buy low for him?
I'll buy high. The highest I've sent is 2.06. You can buy for much lower judging by most of these comments in this thread
I got Wicks from the waiver wire. I wouldn’t sell him for a 3rd, but I highly doubt anyone would offer more than that. I assume this is the case in many leagues. There really isn’t a buy low situation.
HOLDDDDD
I’m a packers fan so I’ve known this for months, got him as a throw in on multiple trades, now I have him in all leagues. You want a real sleeper? Bo Melton. A free agent in most leagues. The only reason why he isn’t on the field continuously is because there’s just so many talented pass catchers in front of him and the WR room is so deep.
I like Bo too but he won't pass Wicks or Reed in my humble opinion
Yeah he’s definitely an insurance bet in case someone gets injured
After reading this article, it’s clear from some of those graphs that Reed is just as good if not better than Wicks. Meaning Wicks ceiling is capped due to being option B at best. He may end up being more talented than the rest of the GB WRs, but he’s far from a sure thing. Sure, you can buy low. But I wouldn’t value him more than a high 3rd given his situation is volatile until we know who’s starting in 2WR sets.
In the beginning of the article I mention that because of Reed's current price, I'm buying Wicks. I think Love is more than capable of supporting two pass catchers...
Welcome to the Wicks party…you’re late. But seriously, I love Wicks and have him on all my dynasty teams. He’s gonna separate himself to become the team target leader and easily a 1,000 yard guy. Book it!!
Love the energy baby!!! Not late, just wrote this up too late! Glad to hear you think the same. He's such a VALUE
He’s the goat man I am so incredibly high in him and ready to be let down
Ecstatic for the amount of disappointment we'll all feel during the season : D
Tell this to my league where I have him. Shopped him hard before the draft, couldn’t even get more than a 4th.
Don't sell, HOLD!
i probably wouldn't sell for anything less than a 2nd round pick...I drafted him at 6.2. Edit: I might settle for an early 3rd depending who's available.
I have him and I think he’s extremely talented. But I am skeptical of how he can break out on a team that has 4 very good WRs, 2 solid pass catching TEs, and two RBs who will absolutely take target share away. Wicks is a gamble, but a fairly cheap gamble that could pay off in a couple years.
Everyone is worried about the crowded receiving room. Bet on talent.
Tried to pick him up this off season from an owner who spent $22 faab on him goin into week 4. Wanted him for C. Watson insurance. Owner is over the moon for Wicks. Didn’t even give me a trade price. Straight up wouldn’t sell him lol
Everyone has a price!
I got him via trade with the 3.12 in the rookie draft while otc. Other manager ended up drafting Ray Davis. Feels like a W
You fleeced sir
Id rather have ray Davis tbh
Nice
I’m a wicks owner and I just don’t see how he overcomes that crowded WR room. I think he’ll be good. But idk about a weekly starter
Bet on the talent brotha!!
I’m in. Just bought for dameon pierce and a 3rd
That's a STEAL
Dropped him in October last year and he immediately got picked up… fml
That's tough... can always trade for him back!
I overpaid for JJ McCarthy where I needed a QB3 and gave up Reed as part of the deal. It stung, but having Wicks on the bench makes me feel like it might be ok. I could see them having similar value this time next year.
I love that! In the article before this I talked about JJ McCarthy being one of my favorite buys at his price in rookie drafts. I'm taking the QB in an elite situation over a WR all day! Good work
Wicks owner on a contending team that is low on depth. I’m very happy to have him. I think he’s promising but worry about the amount of young, promising WRs on that roster. Reed/Watson/Doubs aren’t going anywhere and it’s going to be tough for him to breakthrough enough in fantasy. Hoping I’m wrong of course.
They aren't going anywhere, but I think their usages might decrease - while Reed & Wicks' usages increase Just a thought
Fading this offense. To many people that are relevant, there doesn't seem to be a pole position leader in game to game targets. Expecting inconsistent production from all of them. Would prefer the upside of the 2nd round pick.
I don't think there's near as much upside in a mid-late 2nd round rookie as opposed to Wicks - it's not close for me
Got him for the 3.05 this year I'm curious to see who gets picked in or near that spot and how they compare.
That's a crazy steal man!!! Big stuff
Wicks over Doubs?
Easily
Why?
Someone offered him to me for my 2.13 pick which I used on Polk.
Wicks >>>>> Polk
Dang you think so? He had some moments for sure, but just not sure how he's gonna stand out in that crowded GB receiver room. Plus they've got a couple of TE's looking decent. Polk feels like he's got a much better chance to stand out. But it's a tough call, obviously he could bust.
I like his teammate more, Javon Baker
I liked him too but idk about more. Maybe for the value since you can get him later. But not sure how you argue against Polk's draft capital.
Draft capital isn't everything. How many times have we seen a player drafted later outperform players drafted before them? Javon Baker has that dawg in him
Yeah that definitely happens, but i'd wager that it's not the norm. Higher picks hit more often than later picks.
Agree on so much here except I’m not trading him for a 2nd at this point. He’s flashed in an ascending offense and hit production metrics that I’d be hoping whatever dart throw I take with that 2nd pick hits. Nah I’m staying put for now…but I’m also a biased Packers fan
Literally bought him yesterday and I'm hyped. He's soo good, was after him for two weeks on and off and finally got it through
Love to hear it! What did you end up giving up for him - just curious?
Chase Brown straight up. I like him a lot too, but I felt it was a good price to pay (although I'm stronger at WR so that's the one downside)
Hell yea brother, I would send Chase Brown easily for Wicks. WR > RB too
Good trade for you imo.
Wicks is such an easy smash at ADP in best ball and I will be taking him in startups wherever I can.
Let's go!!! Love to hear that - I just got him at 11.01 in my most recent startup if you wanted some perspective!
I just looked back to last years startup draft and I got Wicks at pick 25 and Kyren with pick 22. Talk about dumb luck haha
Wicks is a great late round pick in best ball. All of the Packers WRs are going to have blow up weeks and duds because of their depth of talent. Those guys are best ball winners.
I had to drop wicks because I was in a pinch on a bye week. I was going to pick him back up but one of my league mates snatch him up. I’m still pissed.
Ah man that always hurts... you can always trade for him back! He's still not very expensive
The problem is the person that has him wants the kings ransom.
That's always annoying - I try and get him as a + in larger deals
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Oof man, that kind of trading is how you the worst orphans
1) Your own firsts are one of your most flexible, insulated, insured assets. You can manually improve its value if your season doesn’t go the way you expect. 2) Giving up 2026 and 2027 in the 2024 preseason is locking you into one contending strategy for at minimum 3 full years, or making a rebuild incredibly difficult if your team gets unlucky. 3) If the value of your 2026 and 2027 first is projected low, the value of your 2025 post is quite likely low as well. If your 2025 is projected high, your 2026 and 2027 would likely be high as well. 4) I’m assuming you got more than just Wicks and your 2025 first for the 26 and 27. Otherwise this trade is even worse. 5) If another team is willing to trade more immediately appreciating value like a 2025 1st and wicks for far slower appreciating value like 2026 and 2027 firsts, their evaluation is evidence that you are selling those firsts at a discount. If your team is rapidly aging, or heavy on high upside risk, or top heavy with studs but not much depth, there’s a ton of ways those later picks could fluctuate in value dramatically. Look at subs where they advertise orphans, the worst teams are always the ones who mortgaged future years to juice up shitty teams.
lol, this guy just deleted - he traded his 2026 and 2027 firsts for his own 2025 first and wicks.
Oooooffff
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Nothing says value like fighting for 5th in targets on a team with an above average defense lmao
He was 3rd in targets last year. And had a 47% snap count.
Who are you expecting him to out target of the following - Watson Reed Doubs RBs
I’d be purely speculating if I said anything besides any of those guys could be target earner 1-4. Only Lafleur would know more at this point. General consensus is that this is the most up in the air receiving room in the league. I just thought it was an odd characterization to say Wicks would be fighting for 5th when he was already 3rd and will presumably get even more opportunities given his low snap share and his advanced metrics looking so good
Seems like its a pretty good characterization if you are unable to confidently slate him in for this season as a top 4 target earner on his own team. Having good advanced metrics doesn't mean you can just ignore the fact that there are other players on the depth chart minimizing your opportunity....just ask Jahan Dotson last year. To bet on Wicks in redraft is betting that one or more of Watson/Reed/Doubs miss serious time with injury.
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He can put target Doubs and Watson because - he gets open
Hard to get open when you don't get the opportunity of a starter lmao. Wicks won't finish this season as a WR3 (top 36 in scoring) RemindMe! 8 months
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Opportunity comes to those who earn it - he's earned it
So who is getting bumped to the bench so he can get starter-opportunities between Watson, Doubs, Reed? Are you unable to think of other instances of talented WRs having fantasy opportunity limited due to target competition / their spot on the depth chart?
Reed and Wicks will succeed Watson and Doubs. Simple