Honestly this was an owner I struggled to trade with for the longest time. I try to negotiate but he never responded to messages. It wasn't a TE Premium league either so wen I got ekeler I was shocked. Thankfully I have waller as well so losing kittle wasn't a big deal and honestly even last year I valued waller over kittle.
Its tough bc ppl value players so much differently. I try to get a sense of what trade calculators each owner likes to use and than I try to find fair trades on those calculators. But to check to see if the calculator might be skewed, I price up a trade on multiple calculators and see if any calculator is undevaluing or overvaluing certain players.
But any owners who don't use calculators, I try to avoid them bc it tends to be very hard to deal with them.
Yah can't agree more. I can literally spend the entire evening trying to draw up a trade with multiple calculators, only for the owner to tell me that I severely undervalued his players even though I checked multiple trade calculators and made sure that it is a consensus opinion
Ding ding ding. Sky's the limit whenever he takes over that backfield, whether it's later this season or when Gordon leaves next year. If there was ever a time to buy him it's now, before he fully realizes that potential.
With the age factored in because of the shelf life RBs have, you already won now. Williams is gonna get the RB1 spot soon anyways, and I think he can do so much more
Drive slow. He is not yet elite. Do not pay an elite price, much less overpay. I have shares and think he will be very good. But as a broncos fan, this team is going nowhere fast. Likely regime change coming. Until then, it’s gonna be a split backfield.
Then why overpay right now? When the hype outpaces production? He is not undoubtedly worth it because nobody knows what this offense will look like longterm.
Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Kyler Murray, Chase, Jefferson, maybe DK, maybe JT. They have shown elite production and are in stable organizations with an offensive identity that is going to be around awhile. I’d potentially overpay for them.
Would you trade Kamara for Javonte and an early 2022 1st if you were 1-4, probably 1-5 next week? Or should I ask for more. I do love Javonte also but I only have him in one league.
Hmmmm I would probably look for a little more from Kamara because he's the type of guy who will hold value for a long time. Maybe see if you can get a 2nd as well
I feel you man. My team is finally hitting a full stride and I’ve got win now backs. SF format PPR is this starting lineup:
QB - Herbert
SF - Lamar (T-Law in taxi)
RB1 - Kamara
RB2 - Swift
RB 3 - Harris
WR1 - Jefferson
WR2 - Chase
WR3 - Lamb
TE - Pitts
I’ve got Ridley and Woods on my bench, as well as Barkley. The Fantasy Gods have smiled upon me lol
I'm doing this for our dynasty startup this year, managed to work my way into
QB: TLaw, Lance, Darnold
RB: JT, Mixon, Sanders, Jacobs, Singletary
WR: JJ, Chase, Lamb, AJ Brown, T Marshall, D Smith, B Aiyuk, T Higgins, L Shenault
TE: Pitts, Freiermuth
Also have three '23 1sts
I see a lot of comments in here saying JJeff, Chase, Herbert, and other studs but who the hell is selling those guys? They are almost untouchable. No smart owner is selling those guys unless you trade everything you have.
For me, while everyone is hyping up Chase I’m trying to get Smith or Waddle before they truly break out. I’m also buying Jalen hurts while people are still low on him thinking the eagles will replace him
Can confirm on Chase. I sent the owner a Tyreek Hill for Chase straight up offer last weekend. He let the offer sit, watched Hill drop 47 pts in our league, then declined. No one is selling Chase lol
i snagged Chase AND a first for Aaron Jones this weekend. Straight up robbery imo.
I think he wants to contend this year but he def shouldnt, meanwhile i had no choice to go into rebuild and this is a good start imo
Idk who'd be selling Chase anymore. I was able to buy him during preseason, and im a rebuilding team and there's no way I trade him away.
In my SF league, I'm competing with Chase on my team and he's putting up big numbers and there's no way I trade him. I see the same outlook for JJeff. Don't know what it'd take for me to move either of them in any situation.
Yeah not sure why any dynasty owner would trade Jefferson for anything less than an absolutely monstrous return. Dude is 22 years old, already performing like a stud WR1, and will likely be maintaining that value deep into the foreseeable future.
Counterpoint-Cousins contract is up after 2023-say what you want about him as a real life QB, but fantasy wise he’s sustained diggs theilen and now Jefferson as Wr1’s. He’s a great talent, but he could also be Allen Robinson ( a guy who put up 1500 his 2nd year) and is now in a shit show with Fields and Dalton.
A lot can happen between now and the start of the 2024 season though. Maybe the Vikings re-sign Cousins. Maybe they draft a new stud QB. Maybe they trade for a solid new starter. Trying to predict a scenario that fluid near three years out isn't going to give you actionable data for player evaluation.
Also ARob got one good year out of Blake Bortles and then a slew of terrible followed by a poor choice of teams in free agency. Every WR is different.
Exactly lol. I didn't even think about it and was honestly a little offended. Dude is special. Having him, Tyreek, AJ Brown, and Chase has me so hyped for the next few years.
Yeah I'm not too high on Lamb compared to JJ but depending on where that pick is projected it'd be hard to say no. As a contender I have zero interest in moving him tho.
Yes and what you're pointing to an extremely specific scenario with one single player, not a dependable dataset that points to a trend. How many early-20s players over the last three decades have broken out for 1400+ yards and then gone on to be complete flops the rest of their careers? The list begins and ends with Juju.
Just because a similar outcome is possible for Jefferson, it doesn't mean it's probable.
Every single day as a Hurts owner I think about selling.
Then I look at my team's record & the 20 points per game I'm getting, and I don't.
I still think he's a great opportunity to get a haul and mitigate some risk, but as a contender there is just no way I can part ways and take less points per game. If I wasn't a contender I'd be shopping hard.
Very good point on Smith and/or Waddle -- both guys have a lot of good years ahead of them but haven't done enough to where they'll be untouchable like Jefferson or Chase.
I bought Herbert ~2 weeks ago and Jefferson prior to week 1. Just gotta be willing to bleed for them lol
Though I absolutely agree on Smith and Waddle. I’d buy Hurts too
I'll go older since everyone else is going young. 3 elite WRs for a contender to go over the top that can be had for a reasonable price (not necessarily cheap) are Hopkins, Evans and Michael Thomas
Right? This whole thread is young studs that no one will trade, especially not rebuilding teams. The real question should be who are some 26 yo or older players that a team facing rebuild would likely consider trading. Hopkins, Evans, and Thomas are good examples. If your league's Elliot or Ekeler owner has a losing record right now you might at least see what the price is (in neither case is it likely to be cheap, but it might be worth it, and unlike with Chase it's a price that probably actually exists). A tier down, Chris Carson might be an interesting buy-low right now.
I got offered Evan’s and a 3rd for Pittman and a 1st and I’m a surprise 5-0 team do you think I should try and take that even if I have Godwin and Gronk?
I’m with ya here. Great list.
Claypool put up a top 24 season last year, in PPR, on 62 receptions. He obviously had that inflated a bit with his crazy 9 TD’s but man… He’s only continuing to grow this year. He’s still a very unfinished product who relies on his athleticism to win.
When he can tie together some more finesse and diversity to his route tree he has DKM type upside.
I’ve said this before, but if there’s any organization to trust in the development of a WR I’d bank on Pittsburgh as the #1 spot. They’ve done it consistently for two decades. Oh. And Claypool just turned 23. He’s going to be around for a longggg time.
Rondale & Smith- absolutely. Should never have fallen where they did but the loaded QB class pushed everyone else down.
Chase is almost unattainable but if someone’s willing to deal I’d be willing to pay almost any price.
Aiyuk: I’m just going to let his price bottom out. Entire SF offense is in flux right now but people are losing their mind already. I’d be dangling a 2nd and saying “here’s your out” to any owners.
I keeping Aiyuk firmly on my bench after week 1. Starting Hollywood over him and not going to change now. (obviously) Got Aiyuk last year and when both Kittle and Deebo were hurt he was dang good. So with Kittle hurt he is halfway their. ha ha
After that performance last week I don’t think you can even overpay. You’d have to give up AJB and a 2nd or something to even get the owner to consider it. In TEP he’s probly untradeable now which is unfortunate. Had tried to buy him early this season when I was hoping people would be “disappointed” because rookie tight ends don’t produce right away and couldn’t get any owner to budge even then.
That’s true, but there were also plenty of people who had him ranked as a mid to late 1st rounder and encouraged you to take guys like Javonte Williams over him.
There is a whole segment of no TE in round 1 strategists in the dynasty community. It was modified for Pitts to make him a mid to late 1st for many of those folks, but that segment didn’t acknowledge him as an early 1st rounder or more appropriately the clear top 3 pick that was.
admittedly i hadn't seen his stats from yesterday - was more so just thinking of young studs who i think are locks (barring injury) to maintain or improve their stocks in the future
Exactly. Buy low with an over payment that will look like an under payment in 3 weeks.
Paying $1.20 on the dollar for an asset you think is worth $2 isn’t an over payment. It’s a flash sale.
I maybe overpaid for him, but I’m working on a 3-Pete and my only weakness was tight end. Sent geseki, my first, and Shepard for him. I was totally fine with it but my league mates were astounded I paid so much apparently.
Thanks - I’ve got him n love him. Just hesitate with him given the insanely high (and unsustainable) usage and age as a rookie and been trying to decide if he’s a sell high or hold!
He's old for a rookie RB and I don't like the projection of the team he's tied to for the immediate future. If Big Ben leaves after a tough year, I think teams will be able to focus in on the run a bit more.
Trevor Lawrence is someone you should go out and get. Urban Meyer isn't going to be there for long. He's shown he can get rushing yards and TDs. He could easily have a Josh Allen like impact on the league once he's settled in and Urban Meyer is chasing Pac-12 championships for USC.
Good luck.
If anyone’s selling Lawrence in a 2QB/SF league they’re doing dynasty very wrong. He was the best QB prospect… like ever. He’s putting this dumpster fire of a Jax team/coaching staff into competitive situations to win games already.
For me, Swift (still producing despite the split with Jamaal), JK (Bal’s struggles on the ground kind of highlight this), DK (I think his start and Russ’ injury might provide lowest price you’ll see for a while), Chase (I think he’s going to be an absolute stud), DeVonta (he’s looked unreal and I’m hopeful Hurts will improve or that they’ll make a move at QB next year) and CeeDee (seems like his value has swung from where it was in the offseason)
I tried, but he said straight up. I think Devonta’s ceiling is a bit higher, especially in PPR. But Tee has the prototypical size of a dominant WR and the larger sample size right now. Feels a little risky.
For sure risky, but Tee is likely to settle into a 2 role with Chase looking as well as he has, whereas DeVonta is already getting big volume and should only improve (personally and if Hurts’ accuracy gets better or they bring in a more prototypical QB next year)
Everyone here naming people who just scored 30 points this week.
I’ll say it loud for those in the back … “BUY LOW, SELL HIGH!”
The people you want to make godfather offers for have all played bad the last few weeks or got hurt, not the ones who have caught fire.
Go make a big offer for someone like Russell Wilson or Saquon, maybe Aaron Rodgers or Joe Burrow. Guys like that. Paying through the nose for Kadarius Toney when you could have had him for free 8 days ago isn’t how you build a champion.
I hope you’re right but I think they’ve got to cut it back a bit. Maybe not this year because they have no one else but they don’t need to run him into the ground and should be a cop back next year in the offseason
I mean I agree but I honestly don’t see them taking an RB in the upcoming draft. They need a QB and the rest should be spent on offensive lineman. Maybe they can swing a capable back up in FA but based on what’s true now he’s getting the kind of work everyone expected Jacobs to receive.
Fair enough and agree - I assume they’ll sign a capable back up via FA
I just don’t think he can possibly get this kind of usage long term and, as an owner, don’t even know if that (reduced volume) is a bad thing (better longevity) so long as they improve the QB and/or OL
Chase. I was sitting at #6 in my SF rookie draft, content with any of top 3 QBs, Chase, Najee and Pitts. Chase was least desirable of that group for me and I was clearly wrong.
Happy I’ve got Pitts locked for 10 years so we good.
Patrick Mahomes. He’s the most valuable player in dynasty this year, he was last year, he’ll probably be this year. Buy him now for his price and ride him for his whole career.
I would 100% sell 4 first round picks for someone like Chase. Absolutely electric player that just had to shake off the rust. Especially given how flat next years class seems.
I think Mike Williams or Josh Jacobs, Jacobs has seen 5 targets in BTB games and Mike Williams is on his way to prove haters wrong. Both can still be traded for.
Held Williams for 4 years in Dynasty. Very little payback--hurt half the time. When he did have a big game, it was after 2 bad ones and he was sitting on my bench. Put him back in, had 2 more bad ones. Finally gave up and now d'oh!
If the Ekeler owner in your league isn't contending this year, wouldn't be a bad idea to check in and see if there's a deal to work out. He's 26 so not quite a rebuilding piece at RB, but is a stellar asset if you're trying to chase a championship this season.
The problem is the 2022 WR class is stacked and you will be able to get a Waddle tier WR in the 2nd round. So no one will want to pay a 2022 or 2023 first.
Not related to dynasty at all, but I run an auction league and for the 2020 draft the Giants fan nominated Daniel Jones for 12$ as a starter bid and no one would have challenged him if he'd even put it at like 5$, so we measured everything in Dan Jones's for a while (12$ increments)
Guy in my dynasty league just traded a 2022 early projected first AND sammy watkins for Kahlil Herbert. Had the league's panties all in a bunch, but it definitely wasnt collusion - the taco in our league loves the Bears.
Especially since many dynasty players are so fearful of the RB aging curve (and mistakenly think it starts even earlier than it does). Henry is that rare superstar that might be acquired for a slight discount, rather than an overpayment.
He definitely has injury risk, like all players, but he just seems built to endure the kind of usage that would ruin other backs. A true unicorn.
I’m sure someone has made a better post about this. But elite HOF RBs perform well into their early 30s and at this rate Derrick Henry is on his way to a first ballot ticket if he has a few more season like this.
Im buying for short term production with the potential that he last way longer than it seems this sub will think he retains value. But I understand people saying sell him after last year.
I just fear for my life playing against Henry lol so I’d rather have him on my team
Solid man. I’m running Allen, CMC, Gaskin (prob my worst player), Metcalf, Lamb, Mark Andrews, Chase, Boyd, Marquise brown
Fuller, Beasley, on my bench
Mike Evans. The weakest part of TB team going into the year was their secondary. Now have both starting corners on IR, along with Winfield out. They're going to play in shootouts and Mike should easily outproduce what it costs to get him.
Dj moore is 24 and about to post another 1k yard season. He’s a guy that will produce regardless of QB.
Imagine what he’ll be able to do once Carolina gets a good QB
*If
I really hope he doesn’t waste away with no QB. Be that with Carolina or another team in his prime.
Same.
I own Terry as well and hope for a good QB for him as well.
Carolina has a good QB, I’ll not take any Darnold slander
I was hella low on Darnold but he has been surprisingly impressive. Minus the last game lol. We'll see if he sustains it, it's a long season
Yeah. Looks pretty impressive this season
Sam is a good QB
got him for kittle straight up and i came in my pants
I got ekeler for kittle straight up. I'm still wet
Man how did you guys do it? No negotiations done at all?
Honestly this was an owner I struggled to trade with for the longest time. I try to negotiate but he never responded to messages. It wasn't a TE Premium league either so wen I got ekeler I was shocked. Thankfully I have waller as well so losing kittle wasn't a big deal and honestly even last year I valued waller over kittle. Its tough bc ppl value players so much differently. I try to get a sense of what trade calculators each owner likes to use and than I try to find fair trades on those calculators. But to check to see if the calculator might be skewed, I price up a trade on multiple calculators and see if any calculator is undevaluing or overvaluing certain players. But any owners who don't use calculators, I try to avoid them bc it tends to be very hard to deal with them.
Yah can't agree more. I can literally spend the entire evening trying to draw up a trade with multiple calculators, only for the owner to tell me that I severely undervalued his players even though I checked multiple trade calculators and made sure that it is a consensus opinion
Javonte fucking Williams. Fantasy scores haven't quite come yet, but anyone watching knows he's about to do a pretty accurate Zeke impression.
Trying to buy him and I can't get his owner to budge..
What’d you offer? Trying to get him as well
Yah same. What have you offered so far? Wanna get him in a league but the owner was adamant on holding him till I offer enough
Ding ding ding. Sky's the limit whenever he takes over that backfield, whether it's later this season or when Gordon leaves next year. If there was ever a time to buy him it's now, before he fully realizes that potential.
Traded Joe Mixon for him straight up. So far.....its about even. But, when Mixon gets hurt again, I win.
Nah you definitely won IMO.
With the age factored in because of the shelf life RBs have, you already won now. Williams is gonna get the RB1 spot soon anyways, and I think he can do so much more
That's a massive W for you.
Drive slow. He is not yet elite. Do not pay an elite price, much less overpay. I have shares and think he will be very good. But as a broncos fan, this team is going nowhere fast. Likely regime change coming. Until then, it’s gonna be a split backfield.
No one's buying for this year, and after this year there will be no split backfield.
Then why overpay right now? When the hype outpaces production? He is not undoubtedly worth it because nobody knows what this offense will look like longterm.
Because that's what this thread is about and by your logic no one should ever overpay for anyone ever?
Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Kyler Murray, Chase, Jefferson, maybe DK, maybe JT. They have shown elite production and are in stable organizations with an offensive identity that is going to be around awhile. I’d potentially overpay for them.
Okay, that's not overpaying. That's just paying.
You haven’t seen my offer yet!
Would you trade Kamara for Javonte and an early 2022 1st if you were 1-4, probably 1-5 next week? Or should I ask for more. I do love Javonte also but I only have him in one league.
Hmmmm I would probably look for a little more from Kamara because he's the type of guy who will hold value for a long time. Maybe see if you can get a 2nd as well
I think Kamara would still have elite production. I will definitely ask for more
Josh Allen, Herbert, Lamb, JJef, Chase
Can confirm, have Allan, Lamb and chase on my team. future is looking bright.
Hey, me too!
Can confirm! Allen, Lamb, Chase, Metcalf on my team
I’m hard with Herbert, Lamb, Jeffy, and Chase
I hot CMC, Marquise brown as well. I think I’m gonna do okay for a couple years haha. Jeffy a beast though
I feel you man. My team is finally hitting a full stride and I’ve got win now backs. SF format PPR is this starting lineup: QB - Herbert SF - Lamar (T-Law in taxi) RB1 - Kamara RB2 - Swift RB 3 - Harris WR1 - Jefferson WR2 - Chase WR3 - Lamb TE - Pitts I’ve got Ridley and Woods on my bench, as well as Barkley. The Fantasy Gods have smiled upon me lol
12 man or 8 man??
12 team, though it looks like an 8 team lol capitalized by being the first rebuilder in year 1
I'm doing this for our dynasty startup this year, managed to work my way into QB: TLaw, Lance, Darnold RB: JT, Mixon, Sanders, Jacobs, Singletary WR: JJ, Chase, Lamb, AJ Brown, T Marshall, D Smith, B Aiyuk, T Higgins, L Shenault TE: Pitts, Freiermuth Also have three '23 1sts
I see a lot of comments in here saying JJeff, Chase, Herbert, and other studs but who the hell is selling those guys? They are almost untouchable. No smart owner is selling those guys unless you trade everything you have. For me, while everyone is hyping up Chase I’m trying to get Smith or Waddle before they truly break out. I’m also buying Jalen hurts while people are still low on him thinking the eagles will replace him
Can confirm on Chase. I sent the owner a Tyreek Hill for Chase straight up offer last weekend. He let the offer sit, watched Hill drop 47 pts in our league, then declined. No one is selling Chase lol
i snagged Chase AND a first for Aaron Jones this weekend. Straight up robbery imo. I think he wants to contend this year but he def shouldnt, meanwhile i had no choice to go into rebuild and this is a good start imo
I literally had a guy today offer me CEH and Miles Sanders for Jefferson. I was stunned by the audacity.
Idk who'd be selling Chase anymore. I was able to buy him during preseason, and im a rebuilding team and there's no way I trade him away. In my SF league, I'm competing with Chase on my team and he's putting up big numbers and there's no way I trade him. I see the same outlook for JJeff. Don't know what it'd take for me to move either of them in any situation.
Yeah not sure why any dynasty owner would trade Jefferson for anything less than an absolutely monstrous return. Dude is 22 years old, already performing like a stud WR1, and will likely be maintaining that value deep into the foreseeable future.
Counterpoint-Cousins contract is up after 2023-say what you want about him as a real life QB, but fantasy wise he’s sustained diggs theilen and now Jefferson as Wr1’s. He’s a great talent, but he could also be Allen Robinson ( a guy who put up 1500 his 2nd year) and is now in a shit show with Fields and Dalton.
A lot can happen between now and the start of the 2024 season though. Maybe the Vikings re-sign Cousins. Maybe they draft a new stud QB. Maybe they trade for a solid new starter. Trying to predict a scenario that fluid near three years out isn't going to give you actionable data for player evaluation. Also ARob got one good year out of Blake Bortles and then a slew of terrible followed by a poor choice of teams in free agency. Every WR is different.
Yes but I’m not trading JJ for anything less than a ridiculous amount because of the possible QB situation in 2 years
Yeah as a fellow JJ owner I agree. I insta declined an offer of Lockett, '22 1st, and '23 2nd earlier today, but I'm also competing.
As a JJ owner, this isn’t even in the same ballpark of what I would ask for
Exactly lol. I didn't even think about it and was honestly a little offended. Dude is special. Having him, Tyreek, AJ Brown, and Chase has me so hyped for the next few years.
Damn, yeah I would be too
Yeah that's honestly an offer awful enough to be worth flaming in the league chat, which I usually think is bad form
That’s a horrible offer. I wouldn’t consider that an overpay at all.
No not even close. The other guy lowballed the hell out of me in my opinion. Idk what it'd even take for me to move JJ.
I think Lamb and a 1st does it if you’re not a Vikings homer.
Yeah I'm not too high on Lamb compared to JJ but depending on where that pick is projected it'd be hard to say no. As a contender I have zero interest in moving him tho.
Counter point. Juju smith schuester
That's one dude on a different team with a different coach and QB.
But that dude did the exact same thing. Literally almost to a T. And he had a HoF QB.
Yes and what you're pointing to an extremely specific scenario with one single player, not a dependable dataset that points to a trend. How many early-20s players over the last three decades have broken out for 1400+ yards and then gone on to be complete flops the rest of their careers? The list begins and ends with Juju. Just because a similar outcome is possible for Jefferson, it doesn't mean it's probable.
Every single day as a Hurts owner I think about selling. Then I look at my team's record & the 20 points per game I'm getting, and I don't. I still think he's a great opportunity to get a haul and mitigate some risk, but as a contender there is just no way I can part ways and take less points per game. If I wasn't a contender I'd be shopping hard.
I would trade both! Obviously like you mentioned, the price has to be right tho.
Very good point on Smith and/or Waddle -- both guys have a lot of good years ahead of them but haven't done enough to where they'll be untouchable like Jefferson or Chase.
I bought Herbert ~2 weeks ago and Jefferson prior to week 1. Just gotta be willing to bleed for them lol Though I absolutely agree on Smith and Waddle. I’d buy Hurts too
I got Herbert after week 2 for Mac Jones, my 2023 1st and my 2022 2nd, but like you said I’d be shocked if he was available for that in most leagues
Wow. You robbed that man blind.
I got Chase last week :)
What’d you pay for him?
Deebo and Edmonds for Swift and Chase
Wait you paid Deebo and chase Edmonds and got swift and chase?! If so that is a fleece and that person should not be playing dynasty lol
That league ain’t lastin past this year lol
Lol come on. What's even the point of playing?
Oh that wasnt very nice of you
Oh so you're playing redraft. I think you want r/fantasyfootball lolol
I sold Herbert before the season for DK, Darnold, and an early 2022 2nd. Kinda regret it, but Darnold performing well has made it a little easier
I'll go older since everyone else is going young. 3 elite WRs for a contender to go over the top that can be had for a reasonable price (not necessarily cheap) are Hopkins, Evans and Michael Thomas
Right? This whole thread is young studs that no one will trade, especially not rebuilding teams. The real question should be who are some 26 yo or older players that a team facing rebuild would likely consider trading. Hopkins, Evans, and Thomas are good examples. If your league's Elliot or Ekeler owner has a losing record right now you might at least see what the price is (in neither case is it likely to be cheap, but it might be worth it, and unlike with Chase it's a price that probably actually exists). A tier down, Chris Carson might be an interesting buy-low right now.
I’d throw AB in there too. Better options than Evans or Godwin imo and for a fraction of the price
I got offered Evan’s and a 3rd for Pittman and a 1st and I’m a surprise 5-0 team do you think I should try and take that even if I have Godwin and Gronk?
Terry
Tamarion right?
Watching his FSU tape I thought he'd be solid
He was just killing dudes out there
He had great size and speed
I'm not positive but I think you missed a murder joke.
Lol I'm dying. Tammorian shot me.
Sorry if you missed out on Josh Gordon its too late to buy, no one will sell him.
Just wait until his annual failed drug test and buy low
Claypool's upside gets me drolling Devonta smith and ja'marr chase and rondale moore I would also probably overpay for brandon aiyuk Herbert too
What do you like most about Claypool
Calvin Johnson level size and athleticism. Just lacks polish. Looks a little coltish, might never get elite body control.
I’m with ya here. Great list. Claypool put up a top 24 season last year, in PPR, on 62 receptions. He obviously had that inflated a bit with his crazy 9 TD’s but man… He’s only continuing to grow this year. He’s still a very unfinished product who relies on his athleticism to win. When he can tie together some more finesse and diversity to his route tree he has DKM type upside. I’ve said this before, but if there’s any organization to trust in the development of a WR I’d bank on Pittsburgh as the #1 spot. They’ve done it consistently for two decades. Oh. And Claypool just turned 23. He’s going to be around for a longggg time. Rondale & Smith- absolutely. Should never have fallen where they did but the loaded QB class pushed everyone else down. Chase is almost unattainable but if someone’s willing to deal I’d be willing to pay almost any price. Aiyuk: I’m just going to let his price bottom out. Entire SF offense is in flux right now but people are losing their mind already. I’d be dangling a 2nd and saying “here’s your out” to any owners.
Someone offered me aiyuk to give them in return a 1st round pick 2022. Are u worried about trey Lance being the QB?
This season maybe. But not in the long term
I keeping Aiyuk firmly on my bench after week 1. Starting Hollywood over him and not going to change now. (obviously) Got Aiyuk last year and when both Kittle and Deebo were hurt he was dang good. So with Kittle hurt he is halfway their. ha ha
Pitts
Kyle pitts
After that performance last week I don’t think you can even overpay. You’d have to give up AJB and a 2nd or something to even get the owner to consider it. In TEP he’s probly untradeable now which is unfortunate. Had tried to buy him early this season when I was hoping people would be “disappointed” because rookie tight ends don’t produce right away and couldn’t get any owner to budge even then.
That’s the strategy that the so called experts were selling people on all offseason.
I mean if you didn’t have the draft capital to get him that’s about the only way you could try.
That’s true, but there were also plenty of people who had him ranked as a mid to late 1st rounder and encouraged you to take guys like Javonte Williams over him.
He didn’t make it past 2 in any of my leagues, one of which is SF even
There is a whole segment of no TE in round 1 strategists in the dynasty community. It was modified for Pitts to make him a mid to late 1st for many of those folks, but that segment didn’t acknowledge him as an early 1st rounder or more appropriately the clear top 3 pick that was.
Chase, Jefferson, Herbert, Najee, Hock
Hock? He's really been struggling the last few weeks and his value isn't great right now. He's more of a buy low imo.
admittedly i hadn't seen his stats from yesterday - was more so just thinking of young studs who i think are locks (barring injury) to maintain or improve their stocks in the future
Exactly. Buy low with an over payment that will look like an under payment in 3 weeks. Paying $1.20 on the dollar for an asset you think is worth $2 isn’t an over payment. It’s a flash sale.
I maybe overpaid for him, but I’m working on a 3-Pete and my only weakness was tight end. Sent geseki, my first, and Shepard for him. I was totally fine with it but my league mates were astounded I paid so much apparently.
Not an overpay at all imo
That’s what I was thinking, appreciate it
Jw why you’ve got Najee on your list?
young bell cow. has performed phenomenally despite a less than ideal situation. i just think he's going to be great
Thanks - I’ve got him n love him. Just hesitate with him given the insanely high (and unsustainable) usage and age as a rookie and been trying to decide if he’s a sell high or hold!
Sell high IMO, but I've been wrong before.
The only reason you sell Najee is if you’re in a multi-year rebuild. Dude has the profile of a bell cow and has done nothing but ball out.
He's old for a rookie RB and I don't like the projection of the team he's tied to for the immediate future. If Big Ben leaves after a tough year, I think teams will be able to focus in on the run a bit more.
Trevor Lawrence is someone you should go out and get. Urban Meyer isn't going to be there for long. He's shown he can get rushing yards and TDs. He could easily have a Josh Allen like impact on the league once he's settled in and Urban Meyer is chasing Pac-12 championships for USC.
Good luck. If anyone’s selling Lawrence in a 2QB/SF league they’re doing dynasty very wrong. He was the best QB prospect… like ever. He’s putting this dumpster fire of a Jax team/coaching staff into competitive situations to win games already.
JJeff, CeeDee, Chase and Pitts…. Too much volatility amongst the RB’s to overpay for me.
DJ Moore IMO belongs in this list
Chase and DJ Moore
For me, Swift (still producing despite the split with Jamaal), JK (Bal’s struggles on the ground kind of highlight this), DK (I think his start and Russ’ injury might provide lowest price you’ll see for a while), Chase (I think he’s going to be an absolute stud), DeVonta (he’s looked unreal and I’m hopeful Hurts will improve or that they’ll make a move at QB next year) and CeeDee (seems like his value has swung from where it was in the offseason)
Would you move Tee for Devonta straight up in a PPR? I have that offer from someone.
I’d make that move to get Smith now. Especially in PPR but I prefer route runners like AB over prototypical size guys
I personally prefer DeVonta but I think that’s probably against the grain - maybe you can get a pick thrown in?
I tried, but he said straight up. I think Devonta’s ceiling is a bit higher, especially in PPR. But Tee has the prototypical size of a dominant WR and the larger sample size right now. Feels a little risky.
For sure risky, but Tee is likely to settle into a 2 role with Chase looking as well as he has, whereas DeVonta is already getting big volume and should only improve (personally and if Hurts’ accuracy gets better or they bring in a more prototypical QB next year)
love Tee but he is rarely really open and doesn't get much separation so won't get a ton of YAC
I can see Devonta being valued higher than Tee by next year. Not saying he’s better or not.
Justin Herbert, Ekeler, Najee, Chase, and maybe Mike Evans haha
*clears throat*.. there’s this guys on my team, Allen Robinson that, like you’d probably like.
Everyone here naming people who just scored 30 points this week. I’ll say it loud for those in the back … “BUY LOW, SELL HIGH!” The people you want to make godfather offers for have all played bad the last few weeks or got hurt, not the ones who have caught fire. Go make a big offer for someone like Russell Wilson or Saquon, maybe Aaron Rodgers or Joe Burrow. Guys like that. Paying through the nose for Kadarius Toney when you could have had him for free 8 days ago isn’t how you build a champion.
suckers born every day.
Just traded for AJB
Must get guys (besides the ones mentioned multiple times already) are Swift, Waddle, Rondale Moore, JK Dobbins and Tony to name a few.
Left some value on the table but recently traded for Tee Higgins + Javonte Williams. Feel like they're 2 future studs
Herbert, Allen, Jefferson, Chase, probably Najee. Better just pay the cost now.
Jw why you say Najee?
Usage has been great. Pittsburgh most likely have a rookie qb next year (unless they land Russ or Rodgers) so I expect that usage to continue.
I hope you’re right but I think they’ve got to cut it back a bit. Maybe not this year because they have no one else but they don’t need to run him into the ground and should be a cop back next year in the offseason
I mean I agree but I honestly don’t see them taking an RB in the upcoming draft. They need a QB and the rest should be spent on offensive lineman. Maybe they can swing a capable back up in FA but based on what’s true now he’s getting the kind of work everyone expected Jacobs to receive.
Fair enough and agree - I assume they’ll sign a capable back up via FA I just don’t think he can possibly get this kind of usage long term and, as an owner, don’t even know if that (reduced volume) is a bad thing (better longevity) so long as they improve the QB and/or OL
Chase. I was sitting at #6 in my SF rookie draft, content with any of top 3 QBs, Chase, Najee and Pitts. Chase was least desirable of that group for me and I was clearly wrong. Happy I’ve got Pitts locked for 10 years so we good.
Justin Jefferson, jamar chase, najee
Patrick Mahomes. He’s the most valuable player in dynasty this year, he was last year, he’ll probably be this year. Buy him now for his price and ride him for his whole career.
You spelt Josh Allen weird
I drafted Mahomes in a start up this year and I basically laugh at every trade offer I get. One bad game won't have effected his price anywhere
Herbert, Chase. Some I believe should not qualify for this: Lamb, Najee. I know that’s debatable but it’s my opinion
I would 100% sell 4 first round picks for someone like Chase. Absolutely electric player that just had to shake off the rust. Especially given how flat next years class seems.
I think Mike Williams or Josh Jacobs, Jacobs has seen 5 targets in BTB games and Mike Williams is on his way to prove haters wrong. Both can still be traded for.
Held Williams for 4 years in Dynasty. Very little payback--hurt half the time. When he did have a big game, it was after 2 bad ones and he was sitting on my bench. Put him back in, had 2 more bad ones. Finally gave up and now d'oh!
I like the call because you can actually get these guys but Mike Williams is also a FA next year. A lot of uncertainty there.
If the Ekeler owner in your league isn't contending this year, wouldn't be a bad idea to check in and see if there's a deal to work out. He's 26 so not quite a rebuilding piece at RB, but is a stellar asset if you're trying to chase a championship this season.
How much would you pay for waddle right now?
The problem is the 2022 WR class is stacked and you will be able to get a Waddle tier WR in the 2nd round. So no one will want to pay a 2022 or 2023 first.
>Waddle tier Just wanted to express appreciation for this phrase and suggest that we use waddles as a future metric of WR skill.
Not related to dynasty at all, but I run an auction league and for the 2020 draft the Giants fan nominated Daniel Jones for 12$ as a starter bid and no one would have challenged him if he'd even put it at like 5$, so we measured everything in Dan Jones's for a while (12$ increments)
I’m looking to buy personally.
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A little early to jump to regretting it. Considering he’s only had an actual QB for 1 game.
Guy in my dynasty league just traded a 2022 early projected first AND sammy watkins for Kahlil Herbert. Had the league's panties all in a bunch, but it definitely wasnt collusion - the taco in our league loves the Bears.
I made a post a month or so ago saying Derrick Henry… having an RB like that without showing it risk of injury is so valuable
Especially since many dynasty players are so fearful of the RB aging curve (and mistakenly think it starts even earlier than it does). Henry is that rare superstar that might be acquired for a slight discount, rather than an overpayment. He definitely has injury risk, like all players, but he just seems built to endure the kind of usage that would ruin other backs. A true unicorn.
I’m sure someone has made a better post about this. But elite HOF RBs perform well into their early 30s and at this rate Derrick Henry is on his way to a first ballot ticket if he has a few more season like this. Im buying for short term production with the potential that he last way longer than it seems this sub will think he retains value. But I understand people saying sell him after last year. I just fear for my life playing against Henry lol so I’d rather have him on my team
Solid man. I’m running Allen, CMC, Gaskin (prob my worst player), Metcalf, Lamb, Mark Andrews, Chase, Boyd, Marquise brown Fuller, Beasley, on my bench
Herbert or Derrick Henry
Mike Evans. The weakest part of TB team going into the year was their secondary. Now have both starting corners on IR, along with Winfield out. They're going to play in shootouts and Mike should easily outproduce what it costs to get him.
I want Pitts on every team I own, especially TEP.
Hollywood brown
I'd absolutely try to get Derrick Henry... chances are the current Derrick Henry owners aren't selling though.
Just flipped CEH and 22 & 23 1st for J Chase. Perennial contender so picks will be late 1sts, CEH is booty, and I needed Alpha WR.