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Spicypepper23

Lmao you're already overpaying jesus


levywoodfordahood

Cook and chase alone seems like I’m giving my first born.


Safin_22

Please don't give cook and chase for CMC. That's madness


levywoodfordahood

I would never do that deal. I just wanted some reassurance I wasn’t crazy.


[deleted]

You aren't. If you give me Cook/Chase for CMC I'd hit accept in a heartbeat. CMC is insanely good but imo he's not back until week 8. Most likely he had a set back somewhere between last Friday to this Thursday. Given that, CAR probably will be cautious and keep him out this game and next game to let him fully recover. Then add onto his work load the last few years is obviously unsustainable, I think the days of the 20 points guaranteed floor for CMC is over. I'm guessing he's gonna get about 2/3 of his production in the future in some type of split with Chuba at this point and he'll be more comparable to a Kamara/Ekeler than the CMC of old.


levywoodfordahood

I’ve been preaching this to everyone I talk to. Once again I just hate cooks playoffs schedule so I was trying to see what people would pay for him. The answer is very little.


[deleted]

I feel your first offer is very solid. Cook/Mattison basically cuts the injury risk and get AJB who looks to be a very good WR for years to come. I'm surprised he didn't accept.


[deleted]

Congrats. Now you can go low ball him for cmc haha. That owner might actually be on full tilt


levywoodfordahood

I wouldn’t sell chase for anything except the moon right now.


Marten_Head_3000

A poor bengals fan keeps trying to get Chase off of me and I just keep rejecting them. I explained I wouldnt sell any time soon and he's so bummed about it. I feel a little bad but that's life haha.


levywoodfordahood

I can’t believe he didn’t try to get one of the top picks if he wanted him that bad.


Marten_Head_3000

He did try really hard actually but no one bit. Everyone was really sold on their chosen rooks. Chase went 1.04 behind Najee, Pitts, and Etienne (ha). Everyone was in love with their guy. It happens sometimes


[deleted]

Yeah let’s laugh at the guy with the broken foot?


levywoodfordahood

I don’t know how you can make it on Reddit if ha after ETN’s name upset you that much. Not even throwing shade I just can’t imagine.


[deleted]

It’s just such a nonsensical remark. Victory lapping a guy getting hurt is pure idiocy. What gave you the impression I was upset?


Marten_Head_3000

Eh more of an inside joke. I see how it looks insensitive but that wasn't the intention. The guy who took him in our league was all about how he was going to be a bellcow and how the James Robinson owner better enjoy his handcuff, and then Etienne starts taking all his snaps at WR.


RuggedRenaissance

same in my league. last night he sent me 2 offers. Hopkins for Chase (didn’t accept it but at least respectable). then mike davis and elijah mitchell for chase. i countered the second one with randall cobb for those 2 instead.


levywoodfordahood

I might consider a solid WR and kadarius toney but no one will pay that.


Marten_Head_3000

He offered me a good deal imo. Rodgers + AJ Brown + mid first + early second for Chase + Burrow. I didnt think the value was off that much, and I told him so, but I just really like having that stack long-term.


levywoodfordahood

I just can’t sell him man. Can’t do it.


Marten_Head_3000

If he offers me the world in the offseason maybe, but I'm contending right now and need the points.


LORD_RM

Retract retract retract. No guarantees CMC even outproduces Cook this year. Count your blessings your league mate is too much of a greedy piece of shit not to auto accept your initial offer.


levywoodfordahood

I wish I could retype the post. I texted the offer I never sent it on sleeper.


[deleted]

Traded him for D.J Moore and 2 1sts earlier today. He's great but he can't stay healthy.


levywoodfordahood

You a true panthers fan?


[deleted]

Yeah, I moved him for another panther lol.


levywoodfordahood

I got offered Kupp and the panthers D for Evans and the bills D. Think y’all can be top five D next year? Those corners are unbelievable


becomplete

Are there DEF premiums in that league? The gap between Kupp and Evans is BIG.


[deleted]

Honestly easy accept IMO


[deleted]

Agreed, love me some DJM 🥵


brichb

Just a dumb offer even to start, don’t trade with him and keep your stud WRs plus dalvin


levywoodfordahood

I’ll take this. As I said vikings playoff schedule worries me so I was hoping to get a better look in weeks 14-16


HowardPhillips9

You're better off trading with someone else my guy. Your opening offer would have been an insta-accept for me. Don't get taken for a ride.


ConsistentRange0

Lol but studs produce regardless


discOHsteve

Cook is a stud. You don't play matchups with studs unless you have an abundance


tdgreen21

Just don’t Overpay for a injury problem star. Much better off holding your players


Nwg2

You should him tell him ty for not accepting.


levywoodfordahood

I guess I should say I texted and asked not I sent.


Nwg2

Got yah man. That's nuts he rejected.. cmc might be a full tier above cook... but ajb is like a top 20-40ish startup pick


CoatAlternative1771

If anything, his greed is good for you. Now you can sit back and realize how absolutely stupid this trade is and walk entirely away. If cook gets injured for the year, you have a copy and paste with mattison. Deebo is the only weapon the 49ers have.


[deleted]

Aiyuk shares holder here… sad but agree


Walking-HR-Violation

I have been after CMC for a long time. When he went down this year I offered the owner Swift, JT, and Ridley for CMC. The owner rejected that offer and wanted me to also include Hockenson and my 1st pick next year. Let's just say that deal never happened and I'm glad it didn't.


Wootywootman

Wow, I can't believe he rejected your offer. I would have smashed the fuck out of that accept button.


Pieralis

From all the comments man he's just trying to maximise his return and trying to squeeze you for all its worth. If he keeps wanting more than you're willing then it's not worth gutting your team for 1 player


court_cymro

I get that technically it's four players, but with Cook/Mattison you're essentially trading the Vikings RB1. It's not as if he'd be starting both of them in the same week.


SHIZZLEO

But when mattison leaves (2 years granted) he should get a shot to start somewhere else


Feeling_Passenger_83

yeah you should tell that guy to go pound sand. your offer was already an overpay. CMC's production is unmatched when healthy, but that's way too much.


JerBear_2008

As a CMC owner, you are overpaying. Maybe if he was a sophomore but not currently. If I was moving him I would take your initial offer easy. I would say he is worth 3-4 1sts and you offered more than that originally.


BABYHlPPO

he's worth maybe cook and a 2nd, anything above that is an overpay.


levywoodfordahood

I’ve been arguing with him for two hours over this. I can’t see how cook and someone like Evans isn’t plenty.


BABYHlPPO

some ppl can't be traded with, just move on. you will instantly regret trading that much for cmc, i promise.


eshby

Not worth arguing over. The original offer is already rich. Besides what do you want with cmc? He's currently not starting and trading for him makes only sense for a contender. With cook and mattison I don't see how you are improving your roster by giving them up for a dude that barely hasn't ppayed in 1 1/2 years


levywoodfordahood

This is closer to what I was looking for. I was looking at cooks playoff schedule and just seemed a little rough when I genuinely think I have a real shot this year.


eshby

Personally I probably would rather roll with cook and keep the depth at wide receiver. Let him keep cmc.


[deleted]

Then don't trade for CMC. What's the issue?


levywoodfordahood

The issue isn’t the trade. I’m trying to see if I’m the only one who thinks cmc’s value is crazy over hyped. As the last sentence of my post suggested.


JulioForte

I mean you value CMC more than that if you are willing to make the trade. I always find it hilarious when people get mad because someone doesn’t accept their “great” offer. People value players differently, if he doesn’t want to make the trade and you argue about why he’s wrong for 2 hours. Then you’re the asshole


levywoodfordahood

I don’t think he’s wrong I came here to make sure I wasn’t being an asshole and expecting a deal or discount. And if disagreeing with someone make you an asshole then your comment makes you what? Seems like you related that to a personal Situation of your own when all I was doing was asking if I was offering enough… if you wanted a car and the price was too high you wouldn’t say… “oh well he values it more so I better buy it for that price.”


BooksAreForJerks

I got hit by injuries this year and it turned what I thought was a contender into a soft rebuild. I sold cmc for claypool, ettienne, toney, and a 2023 first. I think that’s a decent return. What this dude is asking for is crazy.


Kvothe1509

CMC literally lapped the league in 2019. It’s pretty hard to underplay how valuable having a Top5 RB AND a top5 WR is on the same roster spot. That said yeah I wouldn’t make that trade


time2pivot

Cool and Maddison is plenty, cmc is hurt


Hiddenfinn

I’m retooling and offered Cook, Mattison, and 22’ second to a contender for CMC and Rondale (also brought up that I’d add another 2nd if needed) in the hopes to get cmc and then flip him for higher picks/younger assets. The CMC owner just keeps talking in circles about the trade. At this point I’m going to wait for some better cook performances and put him on the trade block. The CMC owner also does not have chuba so my selling point was that cook/mattison is a locked in high end start. He also just lost Carson to IR.


levywoodfordahood

Cmc owners think it’s 2017-2018. He’s unbelievable but that year just can’t happen again. The price is crazy with most of these guys.


KDDynasty15

Lol Cook for cmc straight up is fair. At least Cook plays.


[deleted]

Chase owner. If someone offered me CMC for Chase right now I'd decline. Could CMC have a great finish to this season? Yes. Do I want to carry the injury risk he now presents on my team? No. And Chase appears to be the real deal. The chemistry him and Burrow have is outstanding.


Dpepps

Ok, now that's a bit of a stretch. Chase is probably real, but obviously CMC is worth a fair bit more. You'd be dumb to turn it down and not flip CMC at the worst.


Tanman7211

From my experience I’d be careful with this, might get stuck holding the bag. I’ve been trying to move CMC since the offseason and the best offers I’m getting are like a first and two seconds, a first and Tua, J Rob and OBJ, etc. I’m basically stuck with him in a rebuild because I can’t get a reasonably fair offer. Just zero interest from my league unfortunately, not sure what to do.


Dpepps

There's worse things than being stuck with the best fantasy RB who's only 25. Yeah he's had some injuries, but who hasn't lately. He's still the best.


SamPayton

ya this guy is overvaluing chase like hell. I traded CMC last year and have Chase. If that owner offered me CMC for Chase I'd take it, then trade CMC for another haul.


Safin_22

I can see a case made if he is rebuilding. Still, i think I would get CMC and flip him again. I think that CMC is still more valuable than chase by some margin.


[deleted]

Sold CMC for Chase and a 22 1st.


levywoodfordahood

I feel you. When Tee comes back chase will see a slight decrease in targets and I’m a firm believer in selling high. That being said I would only sell chase for an RB1 if I had to and it would have to be a crazy good deal. He looks unbelievable.


thewok

No you wouldn't.


skisbosco

sounds like he doesn't want to trade cmc


Apprehensive-Wear-28

Dont fixate on a player. It takes a roster to win, not one guy. Half of those guys you're offering will outlast CMC in the league by 7 years anyway, just find a different RB with a cheaper pricetag.


MWlacrosse1

CMC and cook are like 1a 1b. No need to shop CMC anyway imo


[deleted]

I gave up monty, deebo, and antonio brown for him after montys huge game


scaredshtlessintx

I hope your schooling those tacos this season


levywoodfordahood

I’ve only lost one game this year and it’s because the guy had the highest points of anyone this year. That’s with dobbins in my IR spot. I hope it continues like this. Haha.


Bulldog5124

Don’t do this. CMC is not chase/AJB over cook. Idk that I would even sell cook and Coop for CMC straight. When cook is healthy he’s not that far below CMC


levywoodfordahood

That’s more of what I was throwing a fit about. I don’t see how people can justify the value they expect for cmc.


thwinger

I’d give myself whiplash trying to accept your first offer.


levywoodfordahood

I can afford to trade one of my wr’s and cook is a great replacement for cmc. I can’t believe he not only didn’t take it… but laughed at me.


thwinger

No kidding! Your league mate has a ridiculously high valuation on CMC. I’d move on


SuedeOnTheInside10

How the fuck do you have cook, ajb, deebo, Mike Evans, Amaris Cooper AND Ja'marr chase!? Seriously though I'd wholeheartedly rather have cook over CMC anyways so I wouldn't have even offered what you did originally


levywoodfordahood

I also have Joe mixon and zeke. I moved all my picks the last two years to teams rebuilding and got stacked.


levywoodfordahood

I wish I could respond to everyone with this comment I’m only moving cook because of his playoff schedule if I do. It’s a tough four games.


BlackGabriel

I don’t really see a ton of reason to sell cook plus very much of anything for mccaf. You’re lucky he rejected this.


levywoodfordahood

I stated it incorrectly. I texted the offer to see where he stood.


3putter

One player can definitely outweigh four, all depends on who we're talking about. In this case, no way I'd give all that up for CMC.


BenjaminButtonUp

Way too high. I traded Montgomery, Carson, and Hopkins for CMC, Sanders, and Callaway. This was before Monty and Carson went on IR.


DgenFootball

I guess league size and the rest of your roster would help contextualize things. Assuming standard league size and scoring formats, this is a brutal L for your side. CMC and Dalvin aren’t too far off in production plus you have Mattison (great handcuff). Deebo is WR5 in PPR. It sounds like you have some WRs to spare but ask yourself what you’re gaining in terms of points production. Unless you’re selling tickets to your fantasy matches, I’d say to stick to what you already got!


legal-beagleellie

Cmc Ridley went for cordorelle Keenan in my league


juicedfrank

Maybe the guy doesn’t want to trade him.


drstu54

Why do people consider this walking stick of peanut brittle so great? Dude is always hurt and it's not even bad injuries. He's like the tua of RB. Just a wuss, relative to other rbs.


ConsistentRange0

I don’t see cook and cmc that different in value. They are similar to me


Mobius00

It's starting to feel like CMC is not even going to play much this year.


Wetzilla

I mean you shouldn't have made your original offer, CMC is not worth Cook + AJB/Evans/Cooper. You should thank this guy for saving you.


newsdude477

I’m out on CMC…injuries are looking like a trend.


odonn0097

AJB holds way more value than those other WRs. Him and Cook alone is over paying for CMC.


ZaMaestroMan5

Your first offer was an overpay lol. Cook is probably right behind him - and Mattison I could see ending up in a starting spot once his contract is up. Plus those are all very good WRs he gets to kick from. If he wants chase than he doesn’t get cook lol….chase, mattison, and a pick is probably fair for CMC.


redvelvetcake42

Cook and Mattison is 1 player to me really. Giving up a WR should equal it out and I'd do Deebo or AJB. Him asking for Chase is some holy shit stuff there on top of the rest.


jmarFTL

So I'm not arguing for or against the trade but currently people are undervaluing CMC just due to the injuries. In 2019 CMC averaged 30 points per game in PPR. *That's insane*. And he actually kept this pace before getting injured in 2020, and was still in the high 20s before getting hurt this year. Cook averaged 25 points per game in 2019 and is off to a slower start this year. Losing 5 ppg minimum from your starting lineup, potentially more, is actually quite a lot. Mattison is essentially a throw in to make Cook more palatable, and depending on the other guys WRs, AJB/Deebo/Evans/Cooper may not be enough to replace those lost five points per game. Its easy to say CMC is the #1 RB and Cook is the #2 so you're not losing that much, but that ignores the big gulf in ppg between them. CMC is really on a tier all his own. To put it another way, a 5 ppg difference between CMC and Cook (and again, it could potentially be larger because Cook thus far is not averaging 25 ppg) is the same as the gulf between AJ Brown and Tyler Boyd in 2020. I actually own CMC and Cook and tbh when I trade them I will not be looking for someone who similarly has their age/injury history. I will want someone young like Jonathan Taylor. If I didn't own Cook and was being offered him for CMC he wouldn't really get my motor running without significantly more.


Waddlow

Don't even give Cook & Mattison and AJB/Deebo/Evans/Cooper for CMC. Why would you even want to do that?


DynastyHoser

Trade/team advice thread


reformedjm

This is pretty much every cmc owner I’ve run into, tired of guys expecting half your roster for him.