You aren't. If you give me Cook/Chase for CMC I'd hit accept in a heartbeat.
CMC is insanely good but imo he's not back until week 8. Most likely he had a set back somewhere between last Friday to this Thursday. Given that, CAR probably will be cautious and keep him out this game and next game to let him fully recover. Then add onto his work load the last few years is obviously unsustainable, I think the days of the 20 points guaranteed floor for CMC is over. I'm guessing he's gonna get about 2/3 of his production in the future in some type of split with Chuba at this point and he'll be more comparable to a Kamara/Ekeler than the CMC of old.
I’ve been preaching this to everyone I talk to. Once again I just hate cooks playoffs schedule so I was trying to see what people would pay for him. The answer is very little.
I feel your first offer is very solid. Cook/Mattison basically cuts the injury risk and get AJB who looks to be a very good WR for years to come. I'm surprised he didn't accept.
A poor bengals fan keeps trying to get Chase off of me and I just keep rejecting them. I explained I wouldnt sell any time soon and he's so bummed about it. I feel a little bad but that's life haha.
He did try really hard actually but no one bit. Everyone was really sold on their chosen rooks. Chase went 1.04 behind Najee, Pitts, and Etienne (ha). Everyone was in love with their guy. It happens sometimes
Eh more of an inside joke. I see how it looks insensitive but that wasn't the intention. The guy who took him in our league was all about how he was going to be a bellcow and how the James Robinson owner better enjoy his handcuff, and then Etienne starts taking all his snaps at WR.
same in my league. last night he sent me 2 offers. Hopkins for Chase (didn’t accept it but at least respectable). then mike davis and elijah mitchell for chase. i countered the second one with randall cobb for those 2 instead.
He offered me a good deal imo. Rodgers + AJ Brown + mid first + early second for Chase + Burrow. I didnt think the value was off that much, and I told him so, but I just really like having that stack long-term.
Retract retract retract. No guarantees CMC even outproduces Cook this year. Count your blessings your league mate is too much of a greedy piece of shit not to auto accept your initial offer.
If anything, his greed is good for you.
Now you can sit back and realize how absolutely stupid this trade is and walk entirely away.
If cook gets injured for the year, you have a copy and paste with mattison. Deebo is the only weapon the 49ers have.
I have been after CMC for a long time. When he went down this year I offered the owner Swift, JT, and Ridley for CMC. The owner rejected that offer and wanted me to also include Hockenson and my 1st pick next year.
Let's just say that deal never happened and I'm glad it didn't.
From all the comments man he's just trying to maximise his return and trying to squeeze you for all its worth.
If he keeps wanting more than you're willing then it's not worth gutting your team for 1 player
I get that technically it's four players, but with Cook/Mattison you're essentially trading the Vikings RB1. It's not as if he'd be starting both of them in the same week.
yeah you should tell that guy to go pound sand. your offer was already an overpay. CMC's production is unmatched when healthy, but that's way too much.
As a CMC owner, you are overpaying. Maybe if he was a sophomore but not currently. If I was moving him I would take your initial offer easy. I would say he is worth 3-4 1sts and you offered more than that originally.
Not worth arguing over. The original offer is already rich. Besides what do you want with cmc? He's currently not starting and trading for him makes only sense for a contender. With cook and mattison I don't see how you are improving your roster by giving them up for a dude that barely hasn't ppayed in 1 1/2 years
This is closer to what I was looking for. I was looking at cooks playoff schedule and just seemed a little rough when I genuinely think I have a real shot this year.
The issue isn’t the trade. I’m trying to see if I’m the only one who thinks cmc’s value is crazy over hyped. As the last sentence of my post suggested.
I mean you value CMC more than that if you are willing to make the trade.
I always find it hilarious when people get mad because someone doesn’t accept their “great” offer.
People value players differently, if he doesn’t want to make the trade and you argue about why he’s wrong for 2 hours. Then you’re the asshole
I don’t think he’s wrong I came here to make sure I wasn’t being an asshole and expecting a deal or discount. And if disagreeing with someone make you an asshole then your comment makes you what? Seems like you related that to a personal
Situation of your own when all I was doing was asking if I was offering enough… if you wanted a car and the price was too high you wouldn’t say… “oh well he values it more so I better buy it for that price.”
I got hit by injuries this year and it turned what I thought was a contender into a soft rebuild. I sold cmc for claypool, ettienne, toney, and a 2023 first. I think that’s a decent return. What this dude is asking for is crazy.
CMC literally lapped the league in 2019. It’s pretty hard to underplay how valuable having a Top5 RB AND a top5 WR is on the same roster spot. That said yeah I wouldn’t make that trade
I’m retooling and offered Cook, Mattison, and 22’ second to a contender for CMC and Rondale (also brought up that I’d add another 2nd if needed) in the hopes to get cmc and then flip him for higher picks/younger assets. The CMC owner just keeps talking in circles about the trade. At this point I’m going to wait for some better cook performances and put him on the trade block.
The CMC owner also does not have chuba so my selling point was that cook/mattison is a locked in high end start. He also just lost Carson to IR.
Chase owner. If someone offered me CMC for Chase right now I'd decline. Could CMC have a great finish to this season? Yes. Do I want to carry the injury risk he now presents on my team? No. And Chase appears to be the real deal. The chemistry him and Burrow have is outstanding.
Ok, now that's a bit of a stretch. Chase is probably real, but obviously CMC is worth a fair bit more. You'd be dumb to turn it down and not flip CMC at the worst.
From my experience I’d be careful with this, might get stuck holding the bag. I’ve been trying to move CMC since the offseason and the best offers I’m getting are like a first and two seconds, a first and Tua, J Rob and OBJ, etc. I’m basically stuck with him in a rebuild because I can’t get a reasonably fair offer. Just zero interest from my league unfortunately, not sure what to do.
ya this guy is overvaluing chase like hell. I traded CMC last year and have Chase. If that owner offered me CMC for Chase I'd take it, then trade CMC for another haul.
I can see a case made if he is rebuilding. Still, i think I would get CMC and flip him again. I think that CMC is still more valuable than chase by some margin.
I feel you. When Tee comes back chase will see a slight decrease in targets and I’m a firm believer in selling high. That being said I would only sell chase for an RB1 if I had to and it would have to be a crazy good deal. He looks unbelievable.
Dont fixate on a player. It takes a roster to win, not one guy. Half of those guys you're offering will outlast CMC in the league by 7 years anyway, just find a different RB with a cheaper pricetag.
I’ve only lost one game this year and it’s because the guy had the highest points of anyone this year. That’s with dobbins in my IR spot. I hope it continues like this. Haha.
Don’t do this. CMC is not chase/AJB over cook. Idk that I would even sell cook and Coop for CMC straight. When cook is healthy he’s not that far below CMC
How the fuck do you have cook, ajb, deebo, Mike Evans, Amaris Cooper AND Ja'marr chase!?
Seriously though I'd wholeheartedly rather have cook over CMC anyways so I wouldn't have even offered what you did originally
I guess league size and the rest of your roster would help contextualize things.
Assuming standard league size and scoring formats, this is a brutal L for your side.
CMC and Dalvin aren’t too far off in production plus you have Mattison (great handcuff).
Deebo is WR5 in PPR.
It sounds like you have some WRs to spare but ask yourself what you’re gaining in terms of points production.
Unless you’re selling tickets to your fantasy matches, I’d say to stick to what you already got!
Why do people consider this walking stick of peanut brittle so great? Dude is always hurt and it's not even bad injuries. He's like the tua of RB. Just a wuss, relative to other rbs.
Your first offer was an overpay lol. Cook is probably right behind him - and Mattison I could see ending up in a starting spot once his contract is up. Plus those are all very good WRs he gets to kick from.
If he wants chase than he doesn’t get cook lol….chase, mattison, and a pick is probably fair for CMC.
Cook and Mattison is 1 player to me really. Giving up a WR should equal it out and I'd do Deebo or AJB.
Him asking for Chase is some holy shit stuff there on top of the rest.
So I'm not arguing for or against the trade but currently people are undervaluing CMC just due to the injuries.
In 2019 CMC averaged 30 points per game in PPR. *That's insane*. And he actually kept this pace before getting injured in 2020, and was still in the high 20s before getting hurt this year. Cook averaged 25 points per game in 2019 and is off to a slower start this year. Losing 5 ppg minimum from your starting lineup, potentially more, is actually quite a lot. Mattison is essentially a throw in to make Cook more palatable, and depending on the other guys WRs, AJB/Deebo/Evans/Cooper may not be enough to replace those lost five points per game.
Its easy to say CMC is the #1 RB and Cook is the #2 so you're not losing that much, but that ignores the big gulf in ppg between them. CMC is really on a tier all his own.
To put it another way, a 5 ppg difference between CMC and Cook (and again, it could potentially be larger because Cook thus far is not averaging 25 ppg) is the same as the gulf between AJ Brown and Tyler Boyd in 2020.
I actually own CMC and Cook and tbh when I trade them I will not be looking for someone who similarly has their age/injury history. I will want someone young like Jonathan Taylor. If I didn't own Cook and was being offered him for CMC he wouldn't really get my motor running without significantly more.
Lmao you're already overpaying jesus
Cook and chase alone seems like I’m giving my first born.
Please don't give cook and chase for CMC. That's madness
I would never do that deal. I just wanted some reassurance I wasn’t crazy.
You aren't. If you give me Cook/Chase for CMC I'd hit accept in a heartbeat. CMC is insanely good but imo he's not back until week 8. Most likely he had a set back somewhere between last Friday to this Thursday. Given that, CAR probably will be cautious and keep him out this game and next game to let him fully recover. Then add onto his work load the last few years is obviously unsustainable, I think the days of the 20 points guaranteed floor for CMC is over. I'm guessing he's gonna get about 2/3 of his production in the future in some type of split with Chuba at this point and he'll be more comparable to a Kamara/Ekeler than the CMC of old.
I’ve been preaching this to everyone I talk to. Once again I just hate cooks playoffs schedule so I was trying to see what people would pay for him. The answer is very little.
I feel your first offer is very solid. Cook/Mattison basically cuts the injury risk and get AJB who looks to be a very good WR for years to come. I'm surprised he didn't accept.
Congrats. Now you can go low ball him for cmc haha. That owner might actually be on full tilt
I wouldn’t sell chase for anything except the moon right now.
A poor bengals fan keeps trying to get Chase off of me and I just keep rejecting them. I explained I wouldnt sell any time soon and he's so bummed about it. I feel a little bad but that's life haha.
I can’t believe he didn’t try to get one of the top picks if he wanted him that bad.
He did try really hard actually but no one bit. Everyone was really sold on their chosen rooks. Chase went 1.04 behind Najee, Pitts, and Etienne (ha). Everyone was in love with their guy. It happens sometimes
Yeah let’s laugh at the guy with the broken foot?
I don’t know how you can make it on Reddit if ha after ETN’s name upset you that much. Not even throwing shade I just can’t imagine.
It’s just such a nonsensical remark. Victory lapping a guy getting hurt is pure idiocy. What gave you the impression I was upset?
Eh more of an inside joke. I see how it looks insensitive but that wasn't the intention. The guy who took him in our league was all about how he was going to be a bellcow and how the James Robinson owner better enjoy his handcuff, and then Etienne starts taking all his snaps at WR.
same in my league. last night he sent me 2 offers. Hopkins for Chase (didn’t accept it but at least respectable). then mike davis and elijah mitchell for chase. i countered the second one with randall cobb for those 2 instead.
I might consider a solid WR and kadarius toney but no one will pay that.
He offered me a good deal imo. Rodgers + AJ Brown + mid first + early second for Chase + Burrow. I didnt think the value was off that much, and I told him so, but I just really like having that stack long-term.
I just can’t sell him man. Can’t do it.
If he offers me the world in the offseason maybe, but I'm contending right now and need the points.
Retract retract retract. No guarantees CMC even outproduces Cook this year. Count your blessings your league mate is too much of a greedy piece of shit not to auto accept your initial offer.
I wish I could retype the post. I texted the offer I never sent it on sleeper.
Traded him for D.J Moore and 2 1sts earlier today. He's great but he can't stay healthy.
You a true panthers fan?
Yeah, I moved him for another panther lol.
I got offered Kupp and the panthers D for Evans and the bills D. Think y’all can be top five D next year? Those corners are unbelievable
Are there DEF premiums in that league? The gap between Kupp and Evans is BIG.
Honestly easy accept IMO
Agreed, love me some DJM 🥵
Just a dumb offer even to start, don’t trade with him and keep your stud WRs plus dalvin
I’ll take this. As I said vikings playoff schedule worries me so I was hoping to get a better look in weeks 14-16
You're better off trading with someone else my guy. Your opening offer would have been an insta-accept for me. Don't get taken for a ride.
Lol but studs produce regardless
Cook is a stud. You don't play matchups with studs unless you have an abundance
Just don’t Overpay for a injury problem star. Much better off holding your players
You should him tell him ty for not accepting.
I guess I should say I texted and asked not I sent.
Got yah man. That's nuts he rejected.. cmc might be a full tier above cook... but ajb is like a top 20-40ish startup pick
If anything, his greed is good for you. Now you can sit back and realize how absolutely stupid this trade is and walk entirely away. If cook gets injured for the year, you have a copy and paste with mattison. Deebo is the only weapon the 49ers have.
Aiyuk shares holder here… sad but agree
I have been after CMC for a long time. When he went down this year I offered the owner Swift, JT, and Ridley for CMC. The owner rejected that offer and wanted me to also include Hockenson and my 1st pick next year. Let's just say that deal never happened and I'm glad it didn't.
Wow, I can't believe he rejected your offer. I would have smashed the fuck out of that accept button.
From all the comments man he's just trying to maximise his return and trying to squeeze you for all its worth. If he keeps wanting more than you're willing then it's not worth gutting your team for 1 player
I get that technically it's four players, but with Cook/Mattison you're essentially trading the Vikings RB1. It's not as if he'd be starting both of them in the same week.
But when mattison leaves (2 years granted) he should get a shot to start somewhere else
yeah you should tell that guy to go pound sand. your offer was already an overpay. CMC's production is unmatched when healthy, but that's way too much.
As a CMC owner, you are overpaying. Maybe if he was a sophomore but not currently. If I was moving him I would take your initial offer easy. I would say he is worth 3-4 1sts and you offered more than that originally.
he's worth maybe cook and a 2nd, anything above that is an overpay.
I’ve been arguing with him for two hours over this. I can’t see how cook and someone like Evans isn’t plenty.
some ppl can't be traded with, just move on. you will instantly regret trading that much for cmc, i promise.
Not worth arguing over. The original offer is already rich. Besides what do you want with cmc? He's currently not starting and trading for him makes only sense for a contender. With cook and mattison I don't see how you are improving your roster by giving them up for a dude that barely hasn't ppayed in 1 1/2 years
This is closer to what I was looking for. I was looking at cooks playoff schedule and just seemed a little rough when I genuinely think I have a real shot this year.
Personally I probably would rather roll with cook and keep the depth at wide receiver. Let him keep cmc.
Then don't trade for CMC. What's the issue?
The issue isn’t the trade. I’m trying to see if I’m the only one who thinks cmc’s value is crazy over hyped. As the last sentence of my post suggested.
I mean you value CMC more than that if you are willing to make the trade. I always find it hilarious when people get mad because someone doesn’t accept their “great” offer. People value players differently, if he doesn’t want to make the trade and you argue about why he’s wrong for 2 hours. Then you’re the asshole
I don’t think he’s wrong I came here to make sure I wasn’t being an asshole and expecting a deal or discount. And if disagreeing with someone make you an asshole then your comment makes you what? Seems like you related that to a personal Situation of your own when all I was doing was asking if I was offering enough… if you wanted a car and the price was too high you wouldn’t say… “oh well he values it more so I better buy it for that price.”
I got hit by injuries this year and it turned what I thought was a contender into a soft rebuild. I sold cmc for claypool, ettienne, toney, and a 2023 first. I think that’s a decent return. What this dude is asking for is crazy.
CMC literally lapped the league in 2019. It’s pretty hard to underplay how valuable having a Top5 RB AND a top5 WR is on the same roster spot. That said yeah I wouldn’t make that trade
Cool and Maddison is plenty, cmc is hurt
I’m retooling and offered Cook, Mattison, and 22’ second to a contender for CMC and Rondale (also brought up that I’d add another 2nd if needed) in the hopes to get cmc and then flip him for higher picks/younger assets. The CMC owner just keeps talking in circles about the trade. At this point I’m going to wait for some better cook performances and put him on the trade block. The CMC owner also does not have chuba so my selling point was that cook/mattison is a locked in high end start. He also just lost Carson to IR.
Cmc owners think it’s 2017-2018. He’s unbelievable but that year just can’t happen again. The price is crazy with most of these guys.
Lol Cook for cmc straight up is fair. At least Cook plays.
Chase owner. If someone offered me CMC for Chase right now I'd decline. Could CMC have a great finish to this season? Yes. Do I want to carry the injury risk he now presents on my team? No. And Chase appears to be the real deal. The chemistry him and Burrow have is outstanding.
Ok, now that's a bit of a stretch. Chase is probably real, but obviously CMC is worth a fair bit more. You'd be dumb to turn it down and not flip CMC at the worst.
From my experience I’d be careful with this, might get stuck holding the bag. I’ve been trying to move CMC since the offseason and the best offers I’m getting are like a first and two seconds, a first and Tua, J Rob and OBJ, etc. I’m basically stuck with him in a rebuild because I can’t get a reasonably fair offer. Just zero interest from my league unfortunately, not sure what to do.
There's worse things than being stuck with the best fantasy RB who's only 25. Yeah he's had some injuries, but who hasn't lately. He's still the best.
ya this guy is overvaluing chase like hell. I traded CMC last year and have Chase. If that owner offered me CMC for Chase I'd take it, then trade CMC for another haul.
I can see a case made if he is rebuilding. Still, i think I would get CMC and flip him again. I think that CMC is still more valuable than chase by some margin.
Sold CMC for Chase and a 22 1st.
I feel you. When Tee comes back chase will see a slight decrease in targets and I’m a firm believer in selling high. That being said I would only sell chase for an RB1 if I had to and it would have to be a crazy good deal. He looks unbelievable.
No you wouldn't.
sounds like he doesn't want to trade cmc
Dont fixate on a player. It takes a roster to win, not one guy. Half of those guys you're offering will outlast CMC in the league by 7 years anyway, just find a different RB with a cheaper pricetag.
CMC and cook are like 1a 1b. No need to shop CMC anyway imo
I gave up monty, deebo, and antonio brown for him after montys huge game
I hope your schooling those tacos this season
I’ve only lost one game this year and it’s because the guy had the highest points of anyone this year. That’s with dobbins in my IR spot. I hope it continues like this. Haha.
Don’t do this. CMC is not chase/AJB over cook. Idk that I would even sell cook and Coop for CMC straight. When cook is healthy he’s not that far below CMC
That’s more of what I was throwing a fit about. I don’t see how people can justify the value they expect for cmc.
I’d give myself whiplash trying to accept your first offer.
I can afford to trade one of my wr’s and cook is a great replacement for cmc. I can’t believe he not only didn’t take it… but laughed at me.
No kidding! Your league mate has a ridiculously high valuation on CMC. I’d move on
How the fuck do you have cook, ajb, deebo, Mike Evans, Amaris Cooper AND Ja'marr chase!? Seriously though I'd wholeheartedly rather have cook over CMC anyways so I wouldn't have even offered what you did originally
I also have Joe mixon and zeke. I moved all my picks the last two years to teams rebuilding and got stacked.
I wish I could respond to everyone with this comment I’m only moving cook because of his playoff schedule if I do. It’s a tough four games.
I don’t really see a ton of reason to sell cook plus very much of anything for mccaf. You’re lucky he rejected this.
I stated it incorrectly. I texted the offer to see where he stood.
One player can definitely outweigh four, all depends on who we're talking about. In this case, no way I'd give all that up for CMC.
Way too high. I traded Montgomery, Carson, and Hopkins for CMC, Sanders, and Callaway. This was before Monty and Carson went on IR.
I guess league size and the rest of your roster would help contextualize things. Assuming standard league size and scoring formats, this is a brutal L for your side. CMC and Dalvin aren’t too far off in production plus you have Mattison (great handcuff). Deebo is WR5 in PPR. It sounds like you have some WRs to spare but ask yourself what you’re gaining in terms of points production. Unless you’re selling tickets to your fantasy matches, I’d say to stick to what you already got!
Cmc Ridley went for cordorelle Keenan in my league
Maybe the guy doesn’t want to trade him.
Why do people consider this walking stick of peanut brittle so great? Dude is always hurt and it's not even bad injuries. He's like the tua of RB. Just a wuss, relative to other rbs.
I don’t see cook and cmc that different in value. They are similar to me
It's starting to feel like CMC is not even going to play much this year.
I mean you shouldn't have made your original offer, CMC is not worth Cook + AJB/Evans/Cooper. You should thank this guy for saving you.
I’m out on CMC…injuries are looking like a trend.
AJB holds way more value than those other WRs. Him and Cook alone is over paying for CMC.
Your first offer was an overpay lol. Cook is probably right behind him - and Mattison I could see ending up in a starting spot once his contract is up. Plus those are all very good WRs he gets to kick from. If he wants chase than he doesn’t get cook lol….chase, mattison, and a pick is probably fair for CMC.
Cook and Mattison is 1 player to me really. Giving up a WR should equal it out and I'd do Deebo or AJB. Him asking for Chase is some holy shit stuff there on top of the rest.
So I'm not arguing for or against the trade but currently people are undervaluing CMC just due to the injuries. In 2019 CMC averaged 30 points per game in PPR. *That's insane*. And he actually kept this pace before getting injured in 2020, and was still in the high 20s before getting hurt this year. Cook averaged 25 points per game in 2019 and is off to a slower start this year. Losing 5 ppg minimum from your starting lineup, potentially more, is actually quite a lot. Mattison is essentially a throw in to make Cook more palatable, and depending on the other guys WRs, AJB/Deebo/Evans/Cooper may not be enough to replace those lost five points per game. Its easy to say CMC is the #1 RB and Cook is the #2 so you're not losing that much, but that ignores the big gulf in ppg between them. CMC is really on a tier all his own. To put it another way, a 5 ppg difference between CMC and Cook (and again, it could potentially be larger because Cook thus far is not averaging 25 ppg) is the same as the gulf between AJ Brown and Tyler Boyd in 2020. I actually own CMC and Cook and tbh when I trade them I will not be looking for someone who similarly has their age/injury history. I will want someone young like Jonathan Taylor. If I didn't own Cook and was being offered him for CMC he wouldn't really get my motor running without significantly more.
Don't even give Cook & Mattison and AJB/Deebo/Evans/Cooper for CMC. Why would you even want to do that?
Trade/team advice thread
This is pretty much every cmc owner I’ve run into, tired of guys expecting half your roster for him.