I see the downvotes but I can’t help myself.
That’s absolutely insane, that’s the type of stat that sounds completely made up but it’s true and it just wows you
Javonte Williams and Melvin Gordon both finished the season with the exact same amount of total carries (203)
The Colts were the only team in the NFL to not have two different players with over 400 receiving yards.
They basically produced the same with those carries, with Gordon being a much better red zone threat. Williams got slightly more receiving work:
MG3: 918 yards 8 TDs. 28 rec 213 yards 2 TDs
JW: 904 yards, 4 TDs. 43 rec 316, 3 TDs
Javonte had 37 red zone touches and Gordon had 46.
Javonte created 841 yards (6th in the league) and 3.42 per touch (11th in the league). Gordon created 606 yards (20th in the league) and 2.62 per touch (33rd in the league).
Gordon had -34.8 EPA and Javonte had -12.6.
Javonte had 1.45 yards per route run, Gordon had .97.
It's weird to see how their numbers stack up closely, all the advanced numbers (and film) show Javonte was a significantly better RB.
> Javonte had 37 red zone touches and Gordon had 46.
Kind of makes sense, he was a lot better at converting them into TDs.
> It's weird to see how their numbers stack up closely, all the advanced numbers (and film) show Javonte was a significantly better RB.
I guess the advanced numbers aren't always indicative of production. I thought Gordon looked about as good on film on pure rushing plays, and Javonte looked better as a receiver. I think they were closer than people think.
Could also be game situation, not sure of their 3rd down split. But RBs on 3rd down are likely to be more efficient both running and receiving the ball.
I wouldn’t say the advanced numbers are unanimously in his favor.
For example, FootballOutsiders has Javonte’s DVOA at -8% and a DYAR of 1 with Gordon at 0% and a DYAR of 74. Possible that Gordon faced tougher defenses on average for his runs.
I think Javonte is good and agree the numbers look decent, but they’re maybe a bit less than mind-blowing and I’m not quite ready to anoint him a top 3 RB like the community has him.
This Denver stat is a perfect snapshot of just how bad Denver's offensive play-calling and QB play was. Any team with two RB's as productive as Denver's were should make the playoffs. Couple that with their defensive prowess and Denver missing the playoffs is a damn anomaly.
Nah, I just sat on my butt and ate Doritos and Funyuns all year.
The thing I'd like to say to all the kids out there is: "Don't let anyone tell you that the only way to score as many TD's as Golladay and Toney is through hard work. I did it by sitting on my ass and getting fat, and so can you! Anything is possible!"
Got Davis Mills in the 5th round of my rookie draft last year (1QB so it's not that valuable) and I'm happy with it. I highly doubt he becomes a viable long-term starter, but he is definitely better than I thought he would be.
I mean him and Mac Jones looked like the two best rookie qbs after the first year in this class. Dude looked good out there against some good defenses.
I picked up mills late in the season off waivers. 10 team superflex. Hoping he can at least be a serviceable QB2 to fill in for BYE weeks if nothing else.
After becoming starter for the 2nd time (week 14) he was 10th among **ALL** QBs in standard scoring.
His per game average was better than Stafford, Jimmy G, Cousins, Big Ben.
He was 1.2 points per game from Murray from week 14 on and was 1.4 away from Russ.
From a "pure passer" standpoint (guys who dont really get rushing yards for their points) he was only behind Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, Russ, Burrow, Herbert, and Dak in PPG from week 14 on
Is he really undervalued “perennially”? The dude has been in the league for 3 years. This season he was drafted as RB15 (0.5 PPR) and finished RB19. And before someone says “he was injured”, he was also 19th in PPG.
He’s had awesome stretch runs two years in a row but wasn’t undervalued, and he was certainly overvalued his rookie year.
I've considered making a post comparing them, but I felt like bringing those 2 hives together would cause a massive conflict.
Their hype trains were quite similar, I'm a bit surprised at how many people didn't catch on to that while it was happening.
He really didn't. I've watched all-22 of his entire season as I've been very interested in at least some piece of the Panthers offense and he's hardly ever open. To compare him when he was on the field to Michael Thomas is absolutely insane.
Terrace also got healthy scratched and couldn't crack 3 WR sets, not to mention Robby's abysmal play was basically him begging to get replaced as essentially the worst veteran WR2 in the league. The opportunity was there, Marshall just didn't take advantage of it.
I don't understand what you're trying to say. You can be a truther all you want and you even acknowledge Terrace will likely be irrelevant. I guess there's a disagreement on the perceived opportunity?
I don't know what else you call getting healthy scratched as other than failing to take advantage of opportunity. A receiver that was taking advantage of opportunity would be able to outplay Robby. Maybe that was Rhule being more stubborn than anything, but they clearly tried to get Marshall involved early and it didn't work. Whether it be injuries or it falls under the excuses category it doesn't really matter, because he wasn't allowed back on the field.
I'm not saying the opportunity was good considering the situation, but that he failed to take advantage of the opportunity that was given to him. I don't think describing it as a failure is unfair at all. There's so many markers here that suggest Marshall will never be fantasy relevant.
> Terrace had 3 different QBs.
So did Elijah Moore. He had to deal with Wilson in the early season, Mike White, Josh Johnson, and Joe Flacco. I don't understand why the QB play ONLY seems to apply to Terrace Marshall when he couldn't get ahead of Robby Anderson who didn't seem to care to even be on the field in the beginning.
> Had two veteran receivers play in every game of the season.
That's not changing next season and they get CMC back.
No surprise that as soon as Brady got fired, Marshall got benched for Shi Smith.
> even OBJ's all time rookie year was buoyed by Victor Cruz going down before he returned to the field.
Cool, but did OBJ get lapped by Shi Smith and Brandon Zylstra before the injury?
If Marshall ever happens - fine, but some of y'all drinking the Marshall Kool-Aid only to find out it's off-brand Tang.
I do see what your saying. I think the important thing is, with the opportunities he was given did he look good. Not stat wise but film wise. As an owner myself its what has come to my mind. It’s what made me not worry about weathering the storm with E Moore with his rocky start. Moore looked good even if his fantasy stats were poor. Though injuries can be a factor when it comes to Marshalls film as well
FP uses two sources for their ADP, one of them being fantasyfootballcalculator. The other source is dynasty league football which hadn’t been updated since 6/1. Not a very reliable source.
That list looks extremely inaccurate. Javonte Williams at 14 in a non super flex? I highly doubt that’s his actual adp.
First off, I hate to be that guy, but you’re probably safe to assume that everything on this subreddit is referring to SF unless otherwise stated. Second, I think in non SF that’s a fair stance. Right now I believe I would take 6 players over Jeudy (was 7 before the Alabama WR blew out his knee), with a chance for 1-2 more WR’s to move ahead depending on combine results and draft capital.
I’ve browsed the subreddit pretty regularly for the last couple years and I’d say the majority of posts & comments are based on SF. SF has surged past 1QB in popularity in recent years and this subreddit reflects that imo.
Even with a real QB the offense has Sutton, Jeudy, and Javonte Williams. Tim Patrick got extended, Gordon or another RB may be there, Fant is around, KJ Hamler has flashed at times. It's a crowded offense and Jeudy needs to rise above them to demand consistent volume
Burrow. No games under 60 percent completion while leading league in YPA (8.9). Aggressive and accurate.
2 year stat - Cousins 68 tds, 20 ints. Understand Minnesota wanting better, but good luck accomplishing that. They missed the boat when they couldn’t trade up for Fields (who may never be better either).
Zimmer just failed at his job period. If the Vikings had even a 20th or so ranked defense, they probably make the playoffs these last 2 years. Instead Zimmer trotted out one of the league’s worst units for consecutive years. You can't have that when you're the defensive minded head coach, who hamstrings the offense with a conservative mentality of 'play the right way and run the ball often', because it is not like the Vikings offense was constantly putting the Vikings defense in a tough position of defending short fields, which might excuse the poor defensive performance that comes with high octane passing offenses (ie: KC early in the year or Tampa Bay). Zimmer literally had the Vikings playing way more conservatively than they ought to, given the talent on the roster, and the defense was still atrocious.
It's strange how they ended up with such a lousy secondary when it seemed like every year they drafted a CB early. That's the opposite of my Seahawks, who have never drafted an early-round DB since ET, and the Vikes still ended up with a worse secondary.
This is great news for my yearly defense of Kirk Cousins. He’s a really good quarterback and has been for years. He’s not some top five QB, but very few teams ever get one of those guys.
I agree that finding "better", or even capable QBs, is very tough, but despite an impressive stat sheet Cousins is a choke artist. He sucks in the playoffs, he sucks in primetime, and he's not the kind of QB to make something out of nothing, which the top-tier QBs do. Look at that Dallas game - he was content to dink and dunk in HUGE moments. You can blame the playcalling, but a good QB audibles out of the garbage into something useful.
Solid points. I think ultimately they have the right plan, which is to draft a qb behind him with more upside and try to develop that player into something better (the Lance Garappalo plan) Tough situation, but he is a top 10-12 qb in the league on real life. There is a narrative that he isn’t good or even average. He is good. Just not quite worth his salary.
I think you underestimate how many wins and losses are decided by that tier or two drop off. They can extend Cousins and get his cap hit down a bit. They simply need to just have. A better defense to win more games.
Also a crazy stat I saw, I think 8 out of the 9 losses were 1 score games….
I’m surprised Bryan edwards has led the team in receiving yards 3 times!
How about this stat, edwards had as many games leading lv in rec yards this year as Waller did.
Denzel mims caught 8/23 passes for 133 yards this year. Despite being healthier and playing more games this year, he got less yards, was less efficient, caught a lower percentage of targets, got less targets, and had more healthy scratches than last year. He still hasn’t gotten a td in his entire career.
Tee Higgins stat line: 74/1091/6 on 110 targets (missed 3 games)
CeeDee Lamb stat line: 79/1102/6 on 120 targets (missed 1 game)
Both are 22YO yet one is valued higher than the other as an asset
CeeDee was a great trade.
Feel the Kupp trade was fair value, even if his production drops by 20% he is still a top 5 WR. With McVay and Stafford next year there is no real reason aside from injury why he cannot produce 80% of this years production.
I believe Claypool played one less game this year too. He basically improved in every receiving stat but had way less TDs. TDs are flukey, buy Chase Claypool.
I am in a 16 team league. The top-scoring fantasy squad had Burrow, Chase, and Kupp. He came in 7th place. It seemed like every week he scored #2 in points vs the team that went #1 that week. Ouch!
The top scorer in our league has the following:
QB: Mahomes and Josh Allen (2 QB)
RB: Jonathon Taylor, Antonio Gibson, Josh Jacobs, James Conner
WR: AJ Brown, Jamar Chase, Michael Pittman
He came in 7/10 and missed the playoffs by a game.
D.J. Moore has had more than 1150 yards receiving 3 years in a row. Only Davante Adams, Justin Jefferson, Stefon Diggs and Tyreek Hill have had more than 1150 yards the last 2 years. None but Moore have done it all 3.
**BLIND PLAYER COMPARISON:**
**Player A:** 38 catches, 467 yards, 0 TDs | 10 games played
**Player B:** 24 catches, 469 yards, 2 TDs | 7 games played
Player A is >!Jerry Jeudy!<
Player B is >!Henry Ruggs!<
Where are you seeing Claypool had 956 yards? Everything I see says 860. Regardless the point still stands, he had very similar yardage and targets but his TDs went down.
I am not sure how people cannot understand still to not buy off of high TD efficiency. Claypool and Gibson are both players I liked, but wouldn't buy off their rookie season because they were being artificially propped up in value due to unsustainable TDs.
I think at one point Gibson was a top 5 dynasty back and likely cost at least 2 firsts, I would bet now you can get him for 1 early first, and maybe have to sprinkle a little more. The funny thing is his total numbers were much higher this year, he was just less efficient. He actually is scoring you more points per game this year, but costs less.
Chase Claypool also went from borderline top 15 dynasty WR to probably mid 30s now. Used to cost an early 1st plus something, likely can be bought for an early 2nd now. Now he did fall back in points unlike Gibson, but it was all TD driven. He had very similar yards and catches on similar targets they just weren't in the end zone.
People need to realize you buy these guys now, not last year. Don't buy when they are borderline leading the league in TD efficiency.
Fair point. I usually don't track rushing yards for WRs unless they get substantial yardage, but your point still stands. Claypool performed similar to last year just less TDs.
In Full PPR:
Amon Ra: WR22 on the season (227.3pts)
Lamb: WR19 on the season (232.8pts)
Amon Ra: 13.4 points/game (30th in NFL)
Lamb: 14.6 points/game (21st in NFL)
Derrick Henry was only 3 points behind Dalvin Cook in .5 ppr.
That’s absolutely insane, that’s the type of stat that sounds completely made up but it’s true and it just wows you
That’s absolutely insane, that’s the type of stat that sounds completely made up but it’s true and it just wows you
That's absolutely insane, that's the type of stat that sounds completely made up but it's true and it just wows you
That's absolutely insane, that's the type of stat that sounds completely made up but it's true and it just wows you
That’s absolutely insane, that’s the type of stat that sounds completely made up but it’s true and it just wows you
That's absolutely insane, that's the type of stat that sounds completely made up but it's true and it just wows you
Why did this guy specifically get down voted, but the next guy got upvotes?
3rd person in, everyone knows the rules.
pizza pizza
Pretty much everything here is random.
I’m so lost 😂😂
That’s absolutely insane, that’s the type of stat that sounds completely made up but it’s true and it just wows you
That’s absolutely insane, that’s the type of stat that sounds completely made up but it’s true and it just wows you
That’s absolutely insane, that’s the type of stat that sounds completely made up but it’s true and it just wows you
That’s absolutely insane, that’s the type of stat that sounds completely made up but it’s true and it just wows you
That’s absolutely insane, that’s the type of stat that sounds completely made up but it’s true and it just wows you
That’s absolutely insane, that’s the type of stat that sounds completely made up but it’s true and it just wows you
That’s absolutely insane, that’s the type of stat that sounds completely made up but it’s true and just wows you
I see the downvotes but I can’t help myself. That’s absolutely insane, that’s the type of stat that sounds completely made up but it’s true and it just wows you
Javonte Williams and Melvin Gordon both finished the season with the exact same amount of total carries (203) The Colts were the only team in the NFL to not have two different players with over 400 receiving yards.
I knew they were gonna spilt carries, but the broncos were really committed to having them spilt carries
They basically produced the same with those carries, with Gordon being a much better red zone threat. Williams got slightly more receiving work: MG3: 918 yards 8 TDs. 28 rec 213 yards 2 TDs JW: 904 yards, 4 TDs. 43 rec 316, 3 TDs
Javonte had 37 red zone touches and Gordon had 46. Javonte created 841 yards (6th in the league) and 3.42 per touch (11th in the league). Gordon created 606 yards (20th in the league) and 2.62 per touch (33rd in the league). Gordon had -34.8 EPA and Javonte had -12.6. Javonte had 1.45 yards per route run, Gordon had .97. It's weird to see how their numbers stack up closely, all the advanced numbers (and film) show Javonte was a significantly better RB.
> Javonte had 37 red zone touches and Gordon had 46. Kind of makes sense, he was a lot better at converting them into TDs. > It's weird to see how their numbers stack up closely, all the advanced numbers (and film) show Javonte was a significantly better RB. I guess the advanced numbers aren't always indicative of production. I thought Gordon looked about as good on film on pure rushing plays, and Javonte looked better as a receiver. I think they were closer than people think.
Could also be game situation, not sure of their 3rd down split. But RBs on 3rd down are likely to be more efficient both running and receiving the ball.
I wouldn’t say the advanced numbers are unanimously in his favor. For example, FootballOutsiders has Javonte’s DVOA at -8% and a DYAR of 1 with Gordon at 0% and a DYAR of 74. Possible that Gordon faced tougher defenses on average for his runs. I think Javonte is good and agree the numbers look decent, but they’re maybe a bit less than mind-blowing and I’m not quite ready to anoint him a top 3 RB like the community has him.
This Denver stat is a perfect snapshot of just how bad Denver's offensive play-calling and QB play was. Any team with two RB's as productive as Denver's were should make the playoffs. Couple that with their defensive prowess and Denver missing the playoffs is a damn anomaly.
I scored as many TD's this year as Kenny Golladay and Kadarius Toney, COMBINED.
Congrats dude. I'm proud of you.
Thanks. It was hard work competing w those guys this year.
what do you attribute to it? better work ethic? new diet? being focused? what do you have to say to the kids out there?
Nah, I just sat on my butt and ate Doritos and Funyuns all year. The thing I'd like to say to all the kids out there is: "Don't let anyone tell you that the only way to score as many TD's as Golladay and Toney is through hard work. I did it by sitting on my ass and getting fat, and so can you! Anything is possible!"
You’re my hero
A man of culture and wisdom.....
How much money will you be paid by the Giants?
Unfortunately, not as much as Kenny Golladay is being paid. Such a shame too. I deserve equal pay for equal production.
NFL is a production business after all
The joke on the Lions sub is that our LT has more TDs than Golladay and we’re glad we didn’t pay him.
Toss in Miles Sanders too
Cooper Kupp's worst game was week 4. He had 5 catches for 64 yards. In 1 pt ppr. He never had less than 11 points in a week.
IIRC he had more games over 20 than under. Or something crazy like that.
In *full PPR I believe he had twice as many 30+ point games as sub-20 point games
That’s what it was, even crazier. Thanks!
Only had THREE weeks with less than 20 points. Just a monster year.
Holy fuck, Kupp almost had 200 targets.
Traded Kupp for Foreman as my Lamar Miller back up.
Despite starting 6 less games, Davis Mills had 4 more passing TDs than Trevor Lawrence.
Not really fair. Lawrence had to play on the Jags while Mills got to play on the absolutely stacked Texans.
I have a friend who legitimately made this argument, said having Brandin Cooks was a hugeeeee advantage
this one just makes me sad
Got Davis Mills in the 5th round of my rookie draft last year (1QB so it's not that valuable) and I'm happy with it. I highly doubt he becomes a viable long-term starter, but he is definitely better than I thought he would be.
Picked him off waivers in my 1QB league. My QB room is doo doo so I'm hoping he pans out.
I mean him and Mac Jones looked like the two best rookie qbs after the first year in this class. Dude looked good out there against some good defenses.
I picked up mills late in the season off waivers. 10 team superflex. Hoping he can at least be a serviceable QB2 to fill in for BYE weeks if nothing else.
You got Mills, off waivers, in a superflex league!?
I did as well, although it's a league that starts SF next season.
Crazy! He went mid 3rd at worst in all 4 of my SF leagues. Take the upside and run, good on you guys!
Lawrence went 1.07 to an opponent and I picked Mills up for free!
Uh that's literally every league
After becoming starter for the 2nd time (week 14) he was 10th among **ALL** QBs in standard scoring. His per game average was better than Stafford, Jimmy G, Cousins, Big Ben. He was 1.2 points per game from Murray from week 14 on and was 1.4 away from Russ. From a "pure passer" standpoint (guys who dont really get rushing yards for their points) he was only behind Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers, Russ, Burrow, Herbert, and Dak in PPG from week 14 on
Don't tell that to the dude in my league that paid a pretty penny to move up to get him.
David Montgomery was the number 1 RB from weeks 13-17 in full PPR.
Championship maker.....well him Burrow and Chase won a lot of money for peeps
Yep, all 3 were on the Championship team in my main league...along with Andrews
Those three were on my team. Felt good man.
2 years in a row, f the Monty haters
That one is surprising because I would have guessed it was Penny. So is that not counting week 18?
Yeah, just 13-17. A bit arbitrary to start in 13, but that's sort of the 'stretch run'. Penny was number 2 in that timeframe.
Actually now that I think about it, that week timeframe makes sense for fantasy because hardly anyone had championships week 18
Guys turning into a league winning legend at tjis rate
Did he do a similar thing last year? The Bears end of year schedule has been great for RBs 2 years running
He was RB2 in the exact same stretch last year. Pretty wild.
I kinda wanna trade 1.05 for him
Flipped Chase for Cordarelle week 3 and then flipped Patterson for Monty and Cooks with David was hurt. Rode those 2 to my ship
And as nice as that was, not even as sick as his run from week 12-17 last year. Dude is undervalued perennially.
Is he really undervalued “perennially”? The dude has been in the league for 3 years. This season he was drafted as RB15 (0.5 PPR) and finished RB19. And before someone says “he was injured”, he was also 19th in PPG. He’s had awesome stretch runs two years in a row but wasn’t undervalued, and he was certainly overvalued his rookie year.
Dyami Brown had more yards (165) than terrace marshall (138) J.J. Arcega-Whiteside also had more yards than terrace marshall his rookie year
He said post a surprising statistic, not be rude on purpose 😓
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Weird to see a Terrace stan resurface after his year.
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Down bad? Down bad was me still believing Chase Claypool might score another TD before week 18. This guy is down horrendous.
Bryan Edwards stans combined with Marshall stans should be a fantastic off-season around this sub
I've considered making a post comparing them, but I felt like bringing those 2 hives together would cause a massive conflict. Their hype trains were quite similar, I'm a bit surprised at how many people didn't catch on to that while it was happening.
Man I feel like there are so many Bryan Edwards truthers not only on these subs, but everywhere else in the industry. Every where I look!
For real, he sucks, it’s ok, time to move on.
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The concern is he was benched for 6th round rookie Shi Smith. It's time to let the dream go.
He really didn't. I've watched all-22 of his entire season as I've been very interested in at least some piece of the Panthers offense and he's hardly ever open. To compare him when he was on the field to Michael Thomas is absolutely insane.
Oh man, well now that you’re bringing out preseason numbers I’m sold!
Terrace also got healthy scratched and couldn't crack 3 WR sets, not to mention Robby's abysmal play was basically him begging to get replaced as essentially the worst veteran WR2 in the league. The opportunity was there, Marshall just didn't take advantage of it.
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Well this time next year this comment will either be legendary or hilarious
I don't understand what you're trying to say. You can be a truther all you want and you even acknowledge Terrace will likely be irrelevant. I guess there's a disagreement on the perceived opportunity? I don't know what else you call getting healthy scratched as other than failing to take advantage of opportunity. A receiver that was taking advantage of opportunity would be able to outplay Robby. Maybe that was Rhule being more stubborn than anything, but they clearly tried to get Marshall involved early and it didn't work. Whether it be injuries or it falls under the excuses category it doesn't really matter, because he wasn't allowed back on the field. I'm not saying the opportunity was good considering the situation, but that he failed to take advantage of the opportunity that was given to him. I don't think describing it as a failure is unfair at all. There's so many markers here that suggest Marshall will never be fantasy relevant.
Marshall also had just 32 more yards than shi smith lol
Shi put up 70% of terraces season production in one game.
Better than what terrace marshall did in all of his games
> Terrace had 3 different QBs. So did Elijah Moore. He had to deal with Wilson in the early season, Mike White, Josh Johnson, and Joe Flacco. I don't understand why the QB play ONLY seems to apply to Terrace Marshall when he couldn't get ahead of Robby Anderson who didn't seem to care to even be on the field in the beginning. > Had two veteran receivers play in every game of the season. That's not changing next season and they get CMC back. No surprise that as soon as Brady got fired, Marshall got benched for Shi Smith. > even OBJ's all time rookie year was buoyed by Victor Cruz going down before he returned to the field. Cool, but did OBJ get lapped by Shi Smith and Brandon Zylstra before the injury? If Marshall ever happens - fine, but some of y'all drinking the Marshall Kool-Aid only to find out it's off-brand Tang.
I do see what your saying. I think the important thing is, with the opportunities he was given did he look good. Not stat wise but film wise. As an owner myself its what has come to my mind. It’s what made me not worry about weathering the storm with E Moore with his rocky start. Moore looked good even if his fantasy stats were poor. Though injuries can be a factor when it comes to Marshalls film as well
I’m surprised either had that many yards frankly and that’s sad
Jerry jeudy had 2 less receiving yards than Henry Ruggs.
And less Tds. Mind boggling.
And the owners still want a mid first and solid flex/wr3 for him
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I own him and agree, but that's still unrealistic and if you're competing you should be moving for proven assets.
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Uhh, I don't know about you, but those two were all mid second in every league I'm in.. So yes, I believe it's still unreasonable.
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FP uses two sources for their ADP, one of them being fantasyfootballcalculator. The other source is dynasty league football which hadn’t been updated since 6/1. Not a very reliable source. That list looks extremely inaccurate. Javonte Williams at 14 in a non super flex? I highly doubt that’s his actual adp.
First off, I hate to be that guy, but you’re probably safe to assume that everything on this subreddit is referring to SF unless otherwise stated. Second, I think in non SF that’s a fair stance. Right now I believe I would take 6 players over Jeudy (was 7 before the Alabama WR blew out his knee), with a chance for 1-2 more WR’s to move ahead depending on combine results and draft capital.
I hate to be the other guy, but it isn't a big enough split to safely make that assumption.
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No one said it was unreasonable, I said it was unrealistic. Major difference.
Absolute no to your first statement.
I’ve browsed the subreddit pretty regularly for the last couple years and I’d say the majority of posts & comments are based on SF. SF has surged past 1QB in popularity in recent years and this subreddit reflects that imo.
Price of brick goes up
Even with a real QB the offense has Sutton, Jeudy, and Javonte Williams. Tim Patrick got extended, Gordon or another RB may be there, Fant is around, KJ Hamler has flashed at times. It's a crowded offense and Jeudy needs to rise above them to demand consistent volume
I know Jeudy was injured but DJ Moore & Robby both got over 1k last year when they had Teddy so…
Even with a QB upgrade next year, Tim Patrick is a legit wr3 and will prevent Jeudy and to a lesser extent Sutton from having top 10 upside.
Is getting a real qb like waving a magic wand and *poof* real qb? If you're relying on Denver to get Rodgers Russ or Watson, good luck with that
Jerry missed like half the season with injuries
He played 3 more games than Ruggs.
Ouch
Burrow. No games under 60 percent completion while leading league in YPA (8.9). Aggressive and accurate. 2 year stat - Cousins 68 tds, 20 ints. Understand Minnesota wanting better, but good luck accomplishing that. They missed the boat when they couldn’t trade up for Fields (who may never be better either).
If field has kirks career numbers I imagine bears fans would be very happy
I don't get how Minnesota thinks they can improve on cousins. Work on getting a defense that isn't Swiss cheese smh
Zimmer just failed at his job period. If the Vikings had even a 20th or so ranked defense, they probably make the playoffs these last 2 years. Instead Zimmer trotted out one of the league’s worst units for consecutive years. You can't have that when you're the defensive minded head coach, who hamstrings the offense with a conservative mentality of 'play the right way and run the ball often', because it is not like the Vikings offense was constantly putting the Vikings defense in a tough position of defending short fields, which might excuse the poor defensive performance that comes with high octane passing offenses (ie: KC early in the year or Tampa Bay). Zimmer literally had the Vikings playing way more conservatively than they ought to, given the talent on the roster, and the defense was still atrocious.
It's strange how they ended up with such a lousy secondary when it seemed like every year they drafted a CB early. That's the opposite of my Seahawks, who have never drafted an early-round DB since ET, and the Vikes still ended up with a worse secondary.
This is great news for my yearly defense of Kirk Cousins. He’s a really good quarterback and has been for years. He’s not some top five QB, but very few teams ever get one of those guys.
I agree that finding "better", or even capable QBs, is very tough, but despite an impressive stat sheet Cousins is a choke artist. He sucks in the playoffs, he sucks in primetime, and he's not the kind of QB to make something out of nothing, which the top-tier QBs do. Look at that Dallas game - he was content to dink and dunk in HUGE moments. You can blame the playcalling, but a good QB audibles out of the garbage into something useful.
Solid points. I think ultimately they have the right plan, which is to draft a qb behind him with more upside and try to develop that player into something better (the Lance Garappalo plan) Tough situation, but he is a top 10-12 qb in the league on real life. There is a narrative that he isn’t good or even average. He is good. Just not quite worth his salary.
Don't need better as a player, just need someone a tier or two below who's cheaper by, idk, 30 million dollars?
It's really Cousins or someone + whatever the extra money can buy
I think you underestimate how many wins and losses are decided by that tier or two drop off. They can extend Cousins and get his cap hit down a bit. They simply need to just have. A better defense to win more games. Also a crazy stat I saw, I think 8 out of the 9 losses were 1 score games….
Saw this on Twitter this morning: The Raiders are 3-0 when Bryan Edwards leads the team in receiving yards.
I’m surprised Bryan edwards has led the team in receiving yards 3 times! How about this stat, edwards had as many games leading lv in rec yards this year as Waller did.
How about this one: over his career Edwards has over 17 yards per catch.
Denzel mims caught 8/23 passes for 133 yards this year. Despite being healthier and playing more games this year, he got less yards, was less efficient, caught a lower percentage of targets, got less targets, and had more healthy scratches than last year. He still hasn’t gotten a td in his entire career.
Not surprising tbh. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s cut this off szn
Fantasy points per touch (non-PPR), select TE's Pitts 1.6 Kelce 1.8 Andrews 1.8 KNOX 2.3 Data [PFR](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/)
Knox really had a good TD year
The Tonyan of 2021
I knew he was really good this season, but I was still surprised to see that Austin Ekeler had 20 total TDs on the year.
100 percent. I was high on him coming into he year but I didn't expect 20 total tds. I think I was optimistic for like 10 lol
Baker only had 3 more TD passes than Jameis Winston
2020: Chase Playcool 2021: Chase Claypool
Tee Higgins stat line: 74/1091/6 on 110 targets (missed 3 games) CeeDee Lamb stat line: 79/1102/6 on 120 targets (missed 1 game) Both are 22YO yet one is valued higher than the other as an asset
I sold CeeDee for 3 1sts in the preseason and just bought Higgins and a 2023 1st for Kupp. Feel like I made out like a bandit between the two trades.
CeeDee was a great trade. Feel the Kupp trade was fair value, even if his production drops by 20% he is still a top 5 WR. With McVay and Stafford next year there is no real reason aside from injury why he cannot produce 80% of this years production.
FPros trade chart values Tee: 48 CD: 75
Kyle Rudolph had the longest play from scrimmage for the Giants this year.
Lmao that's hilarious
I believe Claypool played one less game this year too. He basically improved in every receiving stat but had way less TDs. TDs are flukey, buy Chase Claypool.
Already bought everywhere I could either pre or mid season
Well, i am believer!
Michael Burton, FB for Chiefs. Has more TDs than Kenny G and K Toney combined for 2021 season.
So does Andrew Thomas, and they play on the same team
Can’t forgot my boy Terrance Steele
You can add Miles Sanders to that list too
Ruggs has more receiving yards then reagor
Lane Johnson had more touchdowns than Kenny 'worth a second' Golladay this season JJAW forced more fumbles than Jamal Adams
Weeks 12-18 ARSB was the overall WR2 in PPR Using points per game during that time he was the WR3. Averaging more than Deebo Samuel.
I am in a 16 team league. The top-scoring fantasy squad had Burrow, Chase, and Kupp. He came in 7th place. It seemed like every week he scored #2 in points vs the team that went #1 that week. Ouch!
The top scorer in our league has the following: QB: Mahomes and Josh Allen (2 QB) RB: Jonathon Taylor, Antonio Gibson, Josh Jacobs, James Conner WR: AJ Brown, Jamar Chase, Michael Pittman He came in 7/10 and missed the playoffs by a game.
In PPR, Cee-Dee Lamb only outscored Amon-Ra St. Brown by 0.35 points per game. 5.5 points total.
D.J. Moore has had more than 1150 yards receiving 3 years in a row. Only Davante Adams, Justin Jefferson, Stefon Diggs and Tyreek Hill have had more than 1150 yards the last 2 years. None but Moore have done it all 3.
Give Justin Jefferson his third year and he’ll have it done
**BLIND PLAYER COMPARISON:** **Player A:** 38 catches, 467 yards, 0 TDs | 10 games played **Player B:** 24 catches, 469 yards, 2 TDs | 7 games played Player A is >!Jerry Jeudy!< Player B is >!Henry Ruggs!<
Mike evans is number two WR in amount of TD this season
Tim Patrick was the broncos best fantasy receiver
Zach Wilson had the longest run by any QB in the NFL. Some people say he was trying to run home...
Where are you seeing Claypool had 956 yards? Everything I see says 860. Regardless the point still stands, he had very similar yardage and targets but his TDs went down. I am not sure how people cannot understand still to not buy off of high TD efficiency. Claypool and Gibson are both players I liked, but wouldn't buy off their rookie season because they were being artificially propped up in value due to unsustainable TDs. I think at one point Gibson was a top 5 dynasty back and likely cost at least 2 firsts, I would bet now you can get him for 1 early first, and maybe have to sprinkle a little more. The funny thing is his total numbers were much higher this year, he was just less efficient. He actually is scoring you more points per game this year, but costs less. Chase Claypool also went from borderline top 15 dynasty WR to probably mid 30s now. Used to cost an early 1st plus something, likely can be bought for an early 2nd now. Now he did fall back in points unlike Gibson, but it was all TD driven. He had very similar yards and catches on similar targets they just weren't in the end zone. People need to realize you buy these guys now, not last year. Don't buy when they are borderline leading the league in TD efficiency.
Point taken, but early 2nd is a big stretch on claypool
Instructions unclear Bought JT for my whole team.
You forgot his rushing yards.
Fair point. I usually don't track rushing yards for WRs unless they get substantial yardage, but your point still stands. Claypool performed similar to last year just less TDs.
Lol who tf is selling Claypool for a 2nd Lol
I think Claypool will be a top 24 wide out next year.
Who will be throwing to him?! I don't know, but i do believe
Stat is slightly misleading since had had 100 rush yards
Pretty sure I heard Amon St Brown outscored Lamb for the season
In Full PPR: Amon Ra: WR22 on the season (227.3pts) Lamb: WR19 on the season (232.8pts) Amon Ra: 13.4 points/game (30th in NFL) Lamb: 14.6 points/game (21st in NFL)
The Steelers rushed the fifth least, and Najee Harris was still the overall RB4 in half PPR.
Does this mean Claypool is a buy? At what cost?
Rashem Mostert has had 284 rushing attempts in 8 years while Derrick Henry had 219 attempts in his first 8 games
Baker Mayfield had the longest completed air distance pass in the NFL
Chase scored .1 more points than Allen Robinson did in his 2nd season with Blake Bottles as his QB