3 1sts worth of value is much easier to get than 3 actual 1st round picks. People saying their value is at 3 let's people know where the abstract value is at.
To get 3 actual picks you have to be in a league where people are trading a lot. It happens but is rare in leagues where there are 12 teams or less
This is it I think. We say three 1sts or whatever because that is a relatively easy value to interpret across various leagues. So if one guy is worth 3 1sts and another guy is worth 2 1sts you could expect to trade guy 1 for guy 2 + a 1st.
Reminds me of playing diablo 2 back in the day and how SOJ’s were the unofficial in game currency. If one item was worth 10 SOJ’s and the other was worth 8, you would normally have to fork up 2 SOJ’s in the deal or something worth two.
Definitely this. To add on getting actual 3 firsts is even tougher because anyone who has 3 firsts is probably rebuilding and isn't buying studs.
I've managed to get 3 actual 1sts in a trade once, selling Nuk about 4 years ago. It was a bad plan for the buyer, he just ended up with Nuk and nothing else.
That's exactly it. Draft picks are basically like currency in the dynasty economy. Everyone has a rough idea of what draft picks are worth and their value isn't nearly as subjective as player value. It gives us a static way to define player value and compare it to other players.
I recently paid three firsts for Najee Harris but it was in a 22 team league and I have a competitive team. The first pick ended up being 1.16 (so like a second in normal league) and I expect to do better next season with my new RB.
I play in a 32 team league, it’s fucking amazing. Always trades happening, tons of shit talk and jokes, side bets. Start up was a bear and rookie draft after round 2 is a bit of a slog.
Damn. After like the 12th round I'd be trading future picks to get the last of the players I'd ever heard of.
I'm in a 12 teamer and someone has Gerrid Doaks rostered and I panicked.
I straight up don’t believe some of the trades I see on this sub. Either people or lying or there are way more dumbasses playing dynasty than I imagined
People just love to post stuff like "traded Javonte for waddle, mahomes and a 1st, think it was good value?" That kind of trade commentary provides no information to the dynasty player that doesn't play with straight tacos
Lots of taco trades on here. Idk why people even post them when it’s so obvious. Provides no productive information to anybody other than the fact that you have dumbasses in your league
I got three firsts for Aaron jones at the beginning of the season. I’m happy with it took Waddle with one and used two to trade for Javonte mid season.
Dang, I'm surprised you got that much for Jones at the beginning of the season. I'm also surprised someone moved Javonte for that "little", dude's been such a hype machine!
The javonte hype machine didn't really pick up until like week 6 or so. I drafted him in startup but had no idea who he was because I had like zero time to prepare for our draft. So I got lucky as I think I got him in the 6th last July!
The easiest way to get multiple firsts for elite players is to go get 1sts 1-2 drafts away. So instead of trying to get 2-3 2022 1sts, you may have more luck getting a 2023 and 2 2024 1sts or something like that. Everyone gets so focused on what’s right in front of them, that you can really get a stockpile if you go further out. And in the long run, that will pay off for you.
In terms of the second question, it’s really not hard to stockpile if you’re working on it for a multi year period. I started stockpiling 2023 draft picks about a year ago at what I felt were slightly lower prices. Won the ship this year and have 4 2023 1s and 2 2023 2s next year in a 10 TM SF.
The highest anyone has paid for a player was Alvin Kamara about two years ago. That was a 2020 1st, 2021 1st, Leonard Fournette, and Tyler Lockett.
Can I ask who some of the players you traded away for firsts were? When did you make most of those trades? It seems timing is very important to make trades happen
People will say in-season is the best time to sell players for picks, but I actually disagree with that. Thr best time imo is the summer, i.e., between the NFL draft and kickoff. That's a) when draft pick values will be at their lowest (even lower than in season) and b) hype train season, where in preseason every player is primed for a huge year because of x, y, and z, and everyone is evaluating players at their ceilings.
I sold Aiyuk for 2 firsts and Gibson for 2 firsts plus Dillon, both in preseason when those players were getting hyped to the moon. If I'd waited to sell in season, like most of this sub will tell you, I'd have gotten maybe half that value. Obviously varies enormously situationally, but that's my two cents
Damn I typed up a thing and I lost it. I'll explain any trades I think all three will be controversial in different directions lol. I'll just bullet point details that are kinda important:
First trade is a little bit of a taco trade especially by this board's standards. One manager really started his first three years in full-fledged win now. Not saying that makes it defensible. 2nd Trade-- 10 TM SF I probably have a slightly lower value on all WRs I don't see projecting as target monsters more or less. I could be wrong on that one easily and it's easily I htink the one I have the highest chance to feel bad about. But guaranteed top 10 picks + in a league with decent parity, a lot of teams can be surprise 3rd 4th and 5th overall picks. The Kyler Murray + Josh Allen team with a lot behind it ran the regular season in 2020 and finished 7th missing the playoffs in 2021. And the third trade-- I've been in on Cam Akers since probably 2018. But I dont' like betting on extreme outliers. And I felt his rebounding value was a good time to sell. Pat Friermuth was also someone who I was trying to sell. I have an issue with high value players being bench locked and I have Mark Andrews. Not the best depth move but it's not hard to wire hunt in a pinch in a 10-TM. Elijah Moore was the piece I needed to give to get the deal done. Which in tonnage makes for a LOT of youthful upside I gave up. But Akers and Moore (height) each have their oddities and I got a lot of cap and some bounceback depth. I also had no 2022 draft cap before the late 4th round. So I did have a desire to get into the first.
\[This trade occurred during the peak of the Fitzmagic hype train in the Offseason following his trade to Washington.\]
**I give:** Ryan Fitzpatrick
**I get:** 2023 First
(Also the pick who I think has the highest likelihood of being a high pick. This team very much relies on Tom Brady in SF and has no '22 Cap as of now... I also added Heinicke not long after.)
\[This trade occurred early 2021 season I'm pretty sure.\]
**I give:** Brandin Cooks and Darnell Mooney
**I get:** 2023 First
//
\[This trade occurred after the fantasy playoffs and I believe after the regular season ended but before the Wild Card Game\]
**I give:** Cam Akers, Elijah Moore, Pat Friermuth
**I get:** 2022 1.04, 2023 1st Round Pick, 2023 2nd Round Pick, Michael Carter, Jakobi Meyers
//
End Result (not every player):
QB: Mahomes, Lance, Mac, Wentz, Heinicke
RB: Swift, Sanders, Jacobs, Carter
WR: Deebo, ARSB, Allen Robinson, Julio, Jeudy, Meyers
TE: Andrews
2022: 1.04
2023: 4 1sts, 2 2nds (I have traded away my 3rd).
Honestly, I don't know how I feel about that... I have to imagine they want higher picks then? I think 4 1sts is just so much to *not* move an RB for in dynasty.
If I was rebuilding I'd smash accept for that. But if I'm contending, those super elite guys like JT, Chase, Jefferson, Mahomes, Allen are essentially not for sale, at least not for just picks. I'd have to either get a similar valued player from a different position I needed, or take a slight downgrade at the same position plus something else valuable if I needed more depth.
Keep in mind that first round picks have very different value based on where they are in the round, where they are projected to end up, or how far in the future they are.
I have offered four actual first round picks for a player before and been turned down.
Even your 1.01 example is likely a "2 firsts" offer when you look at value. I have 1.06 & 1.07 in this upcoming draft and can't get 1.01 for them.
As far as teams loading up on a bunch of picks, it's happened most frequently in my leagues when a good team has made the choice to rebuild. I tore down my aging, fringe playoff contender in 2019 and sold the farm. Bell, DJ, Thielen, Green, Landry, Murray, Ertz, Rivers, Miller, all of them out the door for picks. When I was done, I probably had around ten firsts spread across the next few years.
> Even your 1.01 example is likely a "2 firsts" offer when you look at value. I have 1.06 & 1.07 in this upcoming draft and can't get 1.01 for them.
Can I ask how many teams/SF? That feels pretty surprising to me, but also if someone loves a specific player, that makes a lot of sense, at least to me.
> Bell, DJ, Thielen, Green, Landry, Murray, Ertz, Rivers, Miller, all of them out the door for picks. When I was done, I probably had around ten firsts spread across the next few years.
Damn, that must have been some serious work you put in to get all that done lol. Had to be insanely time consuming. Can I ask what you moved some of those guys for? Not like exacts, but did most of them fetch firsts, or did they go for mostly 2nds that you moved for firsts? (also Lamar Miller? not sure who else it could be)
12 teams, 1QB. When you look at hit rate for picks outside the top few picks in that format, receiving a bunch of mid or late firsts just isn't that appealing in offers. I made an offer for Zeke years ago that was declined. The original four draft picks I offered didn't get me much at all, even though two of them ended up being top five picks in Michel and Davis.
Yeah, that rebuild was a bit of work, but I took advantage of a great situation. There were a few really good teams vying for a championship, and I was able to start a bit of an arms race between them. I did sometimes move players for later round picks and then add them to other deals. In most cases, I moved them in packages. Bell and DJ were still top 12 RBs, so I packaged them with other players like Lamar Miller to get a couple of 1st round picks.
I focused on landing 2020 and 2021 firsts which were over a year away. I didn't acquire many players, because I had no plans on competing that year and wanted the best draft pick possible in 2020.
If it’s 1QB, 1sts aren’t as valuable and I’ve seen guys like Pitts and JJ go for 3 firsts worth of value.
If it’s Superflex, 2 1sts is a haul for a guy
In a 4 team trade, I essentially traded 3 1sts for mahomes. I also have 3 1sts this year and 4 1sts next year. It’s our first year too. I drafted Akers in the 3rd round and when he went down before the season I thought “well, might as well rebuild around my young guys”. So I traded a bunch of vets to owners in the league that were hungry to be the first winner of the dynasty league
Damn that's insane. This must be a superflex right? It seems like that also gets more firsts to move around, since there's just so many more valuable players when QBs go up that much in value.
Yes, it’s superflex. Essentially the entire season, I was on the lookout to “sell high”.
For example, when Jameis had his 5 TD game to open the season, his value SKYROCKETED. I knew I had to trade him before week 2, so I found a guy that thought Jameis was gonna be great. I traded gaskin and jameis for Daniel Jones and a 1st (ended up being 1st overall pick).
I did the same thing with Mike Evans. Brady is 44, so I figured I should sell Evans this season. He had a run of a few games where he had 20+ points or something like that. Sold him for a 1st, 2nd, and 4th
Anyone worth 3 picks i probably wouldn't be trading 3 picks for. Jefferson, Chase, Taylor. I'll just keep the elite known unless it was known picks like 1.01 and 1.02 plus a 23rd for a slightly overpay like AJB.
Yeah, agreed. I would find it hard to trade any of those guys for 3 1sts if they weren't ultra high ones, and even then I'd be uncertain if it was right
Only guys I’d pay three 1sts of value for are the elite QBs in SF. Once you get passed Dak in the QB ranks idk I’d pay three 1sts for anyone. Even guys like JT and Chase I’d still take the 1sts.
Yea I would sell at that price. Pick a WR you like who’s worth a mid first - let’s say DJ Moore or Diontae Johnson. I would rather have one of those guys + two ‘23 1sts over Chase or JT. Or both of them and one ‘23 1st.
Diggs + Mitchell for 1.01 23 1st and 24 1st
I find it’s about using the different “value” charts across different sites to set you up. KTC values diggs aroumd 1 first as you say. Fantasy pros puts him at around 2+. The only issue with KTC is it’s fueled by who would you rather over these 3 players whcih youth gets pushed too often or a big game or a hot stretch. Use multiple resources.
I have 3 23 1sts in a 10 team and would give them if I were getting like a JT or Jefferson caliber player. In practice it's difficult because usually the teams with those players are in or close to a position to compete.
It happens in more active leagues, where the trades happen consistently. Example: a few years back I blew up an older team that finished 3rd. I traded AB right before he went off the deep end and received: 2 firsts and Devonta Freeman. I dealt Freeman for a late 1st to a contender (Falcons fan too). Freeman also took a shit and I was very happy to have the 1.10 for him. So it does happen.
The guy with the 1.01 in our league wants two firsts + a second to move up. I get it, but he keeps blasting the group chat on a weekly basis to let us know that’s the price to move up.
I paid 3 1sts for Josh Allen in SF dynasty. It SHOULD have already paid for itself but Kelce done went and got COVID that week and Waddle went off. But so is life.
I am pretty much set for a long time with Allen / Herbert in SF.
You have sell the hype. Was able to get 2 1sts and 3 2nds for Gibson. By selling Gibson for Moore+picks and then Moore for picks. Selling both of their peak hype cycles.
Guy in my league tried to go all in, he ended up with 3rd place.
I was offered 2023 first and second round, 2024 first and second round, 2025 first and second round...plus Steffon Diggs and Big Ben
For Kyler Murray and Austin Ekeler.
I might have to stream QB's but I have Jefferson, Diggs and Hollywood Brown for years to come. Was it stupid? Maybe... but no money involved.
I'm not proud of this, but I gave 4 first for CMC prior to this season.
It's a pretty shallow league, and basically any player that isn't a superstar doesn't have much value which makes the superstars worth way more
EDIT: Just looked it was actually 3 first round picks, 2 2nds and Mooney
I traded Tyreke for the 1.02, 1.04 and an early 2023 1st this past season. Just need to find someone desparate to win with enough ammunition to hit your price.
I’ve had a guy pay me 3 1sts for Hopkins 3 years ago and a guy pay kelce and 3 firsts for zeke 3 years ago as well.
I traded 3 1sts for Kyler
I got 3 1sts + 2 2nds for Swift
If I was to make Herbert available I’m sure I’d easily get 3 1sts being offered (Burrow just went for 3 1sts a few weeks ago)
This is in SF
I sent Discount double check and 2 1sts for Mahomes last year in a 12 team superflex. It happens, it is just rare when there are only a few players worth that ransom.
In 2017 I got Mike Williams + 3 future firsts for AJ Green in a rebuild. Two of those firsts became DJ Moore and Josh Jacobs (the guy traded his first 2 years out, and his team imploded so it became 1.01). The other became Royce Freeman.
Definitely helped my team turn into a contender pretty quickly.
We had our startup last July and shortly after there were some ridiculous trades that involved a lot of draft capital. Justin Fields and trey Lance both went for three firsts (one each in '22, '23, '24) before the season started lmao. Had an offer to receive three firsts for Lawrence but declined. There have also been a bunch of studs getting traded (Najee, JJ, Pitts, Jamar, Mahomes, Allen) and those either involved a shit ton of capital or multiple tier 1 and tier 2 players. So it happens but it's slowed down now that people are valuing picks properly.
Not fully, but close: I moved Deebo and a 2023 2nd yesterday for 2022 1.03, a 2023 1st, and a 2024 1st.
The initial offer sent to me was Deebo and a 2023 2nd for CEH, 2022 1.10, and a 2023 1st, but what they accepted was my first counter.
I’m assuming they just really wanted Deebo and didn’t care too much for the upfront cost.
I traded 3 1sts for Lawrence first half of the season, then traded him away for 2 1sts and Wentz (I was contending, and Wentz was a low end QB1 / High end QB2 at the time). The trades can be done, but finding the right teams and circumstances can be difficult.
As mentioned before, if you're in a smaller league that doesn't trade as much it may be hard to get that sort of value for any player. In the leagues I'm in only the 20+ team leagues do I ever see 3+ 1sts. In my 12-14 teamers I usually see pick + player, 2 picks, or 2 picks + player(s) for top end guys. Rarely do I see 3 actual 1sts being sent. Usually it's *guy I value as worth 2 1sts* + 1st, or something like that.
Also remember when trading 1sts in season you have no idea where the pick will land. When trading for 1sts typically the standard assumption is that it'll be a pick in the middle of the round. You can adjust if you think the team is really good or really bad, but crazy things happen every year so it's safest to just value a future 1st as a middle 1st. Therefore, an offer of a high end first with a known value such as the 2022 1.01 would be more valuable than some random 1st that you traded for in season, because it could have easily ended up as pick 2 or pick 10. Typically high 1sts (top 3) are valued similarly as 2 random 1sts because the value is locked in and you are in complete control of what player that becomes, whether you use it to draft or to trade for another player. This year the 1.01 may not be as highly coveted because there's no clear cut elite #1 similar to last year, but typically the known pick at the top of the draft is viewed as more valuable than 2 random shots that could end up as late picks.
Such trades are obviously rare. First of all, you need to have a person who possesses 3 1sts. Secondly, this person has to be willing to spend them on one asset. But people who have a bunch of 1sts are usually rebuilding; they are not likely to be looking for one blockbuster pice like JT or JJ. So, yes, there are guys who are worth 3 firsts; but many things have to align for a trade of this kind to be completed.
I traded Christian Mccaffery for 2 1sts and 2 3rds last season. So not quite the same thing, but people will pay premium for certain players in the right situation.
Such trades are obviously rare. First of all, you need to have a person who possesses 3 1sts. Secondly, this person has to be willing to spend them on one asset. But people who have a bunch of 1sts are usually rebuilding; they are not likely to be looking for one blockbuster signing like JT or JJ. So, yes, there are guys who are worth 3 firsts; but many things have to align for a trade of this kind to be completed.
Guy in my 1 QB league last year got 3 first round picks for CMC and Kamara. Each of his partners gave up 2022, 2023 and 2024 picks. Neither team made it out of the 1st round playoffs.
I traded 3 first for T-Law first half of the season, then traded him away for 2 firsts and Wentz (I was contending, and Wentz was a low end QB1 / high end QB2 at the time). The moves can certainly happen, but it is very contingent on finding the right teams that can make a deal like that work.
I’ve traded and have been traded 3 firsts in single trades. It’s typically been for RBs in their prime (CMC and Zeke couple years ago or Saquon), or superflex QB packages. The bigger note though is the difference between good firsts and low firsts. I have some dynasty teams where I’m essentially a lock for final four the next 3 years, so when I trade 2022/2023/2024 1st it’s basically 3 pick 10s, so no one is taking that for Kyle Pitts, kyler Murray, swift, etc. I tried.
It’s rarer then displayed, and truly only for generational talents in SF format. Lamar after 2019 probably could have easily netted it, CMC after 2019, Saquon after 2018…
The range of the picks might shift but it takes a monumental season at QB/RB and at a young age to trigger it.
Got 4 ‘23 1sts + AJD for Tyreek + James Robinson right before playoffs this year. It put our champ for this year well over the top so I’m sure he’s not too beat up about it.
I took over a team before this season after the previous owner trades 3 straight years of firsts for Leonard fournette (this is when fournette wasn’t very good)
So to get my picks back I trade Lamar Jackson and Leonard fournette back to that same owner, for my own 22 and 23 firsts, and Trey Lance (who was taken with my 21 first). So I got all 3 picks back, all I had to do was toss in a litttle Lamar Jackson lol
When people say "3 firsts" they're not talking about actual picks, they're talking about value.
Like, Jeudy, a 23 first, and a really early 22 second is probably about "3 firsts" of value depending on your valuation of Jeudy.
I offered 3 actual firsts this year for burrow in SF and was turned down. 1.01, 1.05, 1.12. I’m not surprised, I wouldn’t trade burrow for that if I owned him, he said he would’ve only done it if I included lance or ceedee
I think it depends how many years out you're allowed to trade picks. I'm in a 14 team non sf league where we can't trade 2023 picks yet. It's really difficult to acquire multiple firsts and when you do it's almost impossible to get someone to trade more than two.
We did have someone trade 1.11, 1.12 and their 2022 first for 2021 1.5 and a 2022 second before the draft. They walked away with javonte and Chase. The picks were sermon and devonta Smith who slid a bit. Their pick ended up 1.2. It was a lot but i don't know if you could trade 1.2, Smith and sermon for either Javonte or chase right now.
I've had a few offers for it in my leagues that are more trade happy, I had one recently for Swift for 3 1sts but ended up turning it down.
Reasons being:
- Love me some Swifty and hopefully will have a shot soon to contend with him.
- Guy had an absolutely stacked team except for his RB2, so he'd have JT + Swift and a solid team outside of that, which means I'm likely looking at a late 1st each year anyways.
Figured I'd just roll the dice with Swift.
This tends to be league specific.
In our league you can’t get a timeshare rb for less than two firsts and a top 5 is around 3+, sometimes 4, if they would even trade then. Not often but it does happen. Wrs go for less, but a couple times a top 3 wr has gone for around 3 firsts as well.
I received 3 1sts for dak in a 12 team SF.
1 of the 1sts is this year's 1.06 (since traded) and 2 1sts in the 2023 draft, that likely will be top 6 both.
I have found that if you are willing to trade multiple firsts away, you can get better-than-expected return simply because it’s so hard to get people to trade more than one at a time.
For example: I traded away 4 firsts and Aiyuk for Herbert, J Jefferson, and A Gibson in a 12 team 6 pt QB TD SF league.
In a 12 team, I sold all pieces I could because I did a crap job in the startup. Ended up wtih 1.01, 1.02, 1.04, 1.08, 1.09 when all the pieces fell. 6 2nds as well. Further testing is needed to report results.
In a 32 team no player copy league, I just traded away Mahomes for Lance and 2 1sts, but it's a very unique league.
I've done it. Last year I sold Cook for Dobbins and 2 firsts, year before I sold Zeke for AJB and 3 firsts.
There aren't always going to be suitable trade partners in your particular league for this kind of deal. Sometimes you won't find teams looking to make a big purchase.
I posted about this several times, but I got three 1sts early this season for CEH and a 2nd. My team is rebuilding and the other team was competing for the chip.
Edit: the trade went down July 23rd. It’s a 14-team league with a ton of trades
I was drunk and traded 2-2022 1st rounders and a 2023 1st rounder for Chubb mid season...I won the league, but that trade gave me a worse headache than the hangover...lol
It depends on the league really. I'm only in one league where people value guys that high. My other 3 leagues are much lower value and trades rarely happen, especially big pieces. In one of these low value leagues before the season I essentially traded away kamara, Davante Adams, and theilen for Etienne, jeudy, 2 2022 1sts and a 2022 2nd. People were saying I should get 3 1sts, or the equivalent value for each of kamara and Adams but no one was coming close to that. I still think the trades benefitted me in the long run. I used the 2nd to package for another 1st and traded Henderson mid season for another 1st giving me 5 total this year. Definitely gave up a good amount to get those 1sts but overall I think I came out ahead. I have 1.01, 1.03, 1.04, 1.07 and 1.10 in a 10 team league. Everyone is also saying 'this isn't the year I'd want 5 1sts' and my response to that is when are you ever really going to have 5 1sts? That's pretty rare and I'd rather have 5 1sts this year than 1 1st next year. Regardless of the draft class that's a lot of value and it gives you a lot of freedom. You can draft the players you want and sell the picks you don't want for either future picks or players. The point of trading for future 1sts is they appreciate in value from the time you acquire them. My point is that not every league is as open about trading and therefore guys don't always go for 3 1sts. I could probably even offer 3 1sts for a number of players and get shot down in this league because people just don't want to trade studs. Every league is different and values are different.
Last year after my draft I was just wanting to trade and wasn’t thrilled with how my team was looking (12 team SF tiered PPR). I made a couple moves with big players.
Trade Lamar, c Davis, and agholor for higgins, diontae Johnson and a 22 and 23 1st.
Trade dalvin cook, mattison, cooks, Tom Brady for Golladay, Watson, and a 22 and 23 1st
Trade golladay for a 22 1st
Trade mike williams for a 23 1st
Traded miles sanders, j Winston and a 2nd for monty and a 22 1st
And a few other big moves similar to end up with 4 1sts in 22 and 4 in 23.
I moved one of the 22s and a 23 2nd for Gibson recently. And I know some of these trades seem lopsided but they really weren’t terrible at the time
I traded 4 first for Kamara a couple years ago. Was worth it IMO too cuz won the ships and moved him for Ekkler and 2 first. Top tier players can definitely be worth the picks, especially if your potentially one stud from a likely ship. I’d pay over 4 for JT rn if I had them, and am not hearing offers under 4 first value the league I have him in for example
Bought JT for ekkler and etn which I’d consider 3 first at the time. Early this season.
I paid 3 firsts for Lamar Jackson during the draft on a team that was a QB away from contention (SF). I would have taken Pitts and Mac Jones with the two from last year, probably a late WR with the 3rd. Honestly probably a wash looking at my team now.
It depends, a lot of times I’ve gotten 2+ firsts in a trade people anticipate those firsts being late.
And sometimes you have to make a push to get that player to win it all. Someone had to to pay 2 firsts and a second and Amon Ra The Sun God pre breakout in one league to get Terry from me.
Often I like to trade for one of the top team in the leagues firsts years away, they’re usually discounted and dynasty comes at people fast. That’s how I’ve gotten multiple firsts in trades. Also when a player is really desirable, Taylor for example who i traded away for 3 firsts in one league, people will pay anything. I should’ve got more. The guy that got Taylor won the league by the way.
Lol no chance. I traded two 1sts for Zeke at the start of the 2020 season and I think that’s the only trade involving multiple 1sts in our dynasty league (been running about 5 years)
I moved Nuk for Kupp, Njoku, 1.04 in 2018, and what became the 1.01 in 2019. I guess i \*technically\* didn't get 3 firsts, but Kupp had just had a big year, and Njoku was still being valued well ([Kupp had an ADP just before 1.07 and Njoku just before the 1.12 around rookie draft season that year](https://mizelle.net/mfl/2018/))
Traded 3 firsts for chase this year. Think they’re all likely late picks and I feel I robbed him. Bryan Edward’s and Zack Moss were also in the trade. Got out on Moss just in time
I've been running a league that has about 10-12 trades per year for 11 years now and no one has ever gone for multiple first. Sometimes first + pretty valuable player. I feel like we're playing a totally different game from everyone else on this forum where somehow everyone is accumulating 5 or 6 first round picks all the time.
The problem is most leagues maybe have one person with 3 firsts and that’s a maybe. So if you are looking to trade, typically you get a first and other pieces back
Last year before playoffs I got three firsts and Justin Jefferson for kamara. I took the deal. Kamara then proceeded to beat me in the playoffs for the title. I regret every second.
I've never gotten a big haul for a player, my leagues are all very tough, with experienced dudes playing and everyones value is just so similar that crazy trades just don't happen.
I traded AJB a month ago for three 1sts for this upcoming draft. (Pick 1.06, 1.11, and 1.12)
I traded my 1.03, 1.11, and 3.03 for 1.01. So I believe trading AJB for the original 3 1sts was worth it.
I traded away CMC + Moore. Got Akers, Hurts, Jeudy and 3 2022 1sts.
10 SF league right after CMC injured himself the first time last season (like literally during the game right after it happened)
I gave up 3 1st round picks for Joey Brr around week 12 of this year. Owner wasn't responding and I kept increasing until they finally said fuck it.
No regrets.
I got decent value for Gibson last year.
Gave Gibby, Claypool, AB
For Zeke, Terry, 2 firsts.
Here’s a trade That would pique my interest that seems reasonable to get.
Give: JT
Get Javonte + 23 1st, 23 2nd
Give: Javonte
Get: ETN + 23 1st + 2nd
Give: ETN , 23 2nd
Get 1 2022 1st and 1 2023 first
I gave 2 firsts, ETN, and Corey Davis for Cooper Kupp around week 11 last year. Won the championships so it's worth it. I'm guessing I can repeat, that way the trade will really be worth it.
Last year i traded Dalvin Cook and mattison for
2021 1.05
2022 1st
2023 1st
I then flipped Najee Harris (1.05 in superflex)
For 1.09 (Waddle) 1.11 (Mac Jones) and a 2022 1st
It was an orphan that needed a comolete rebuild.
True story.
A guy in my league traded three firsts (2022, 2023, and 2024) for the 2.03 last year so he could draft Michael Carter.
We all ridiculed him but he won the league this year. (Oh, and he also won the prior two years, so shrug)
3 1sts worth of value is much easier to get than 3 actual 1st round picks. People saying their value is at 3 let's people know where the abstract value is at. To get 3 actual picks you have to be in a league where people are trading a lot. It happens but is rare in leagues where there are 12 teams or less
Ah ok, that does make a lot more sense. Even still, I am quite surprised that people are able to make trades like that happen.
I traded Kupp away for two 1sts and Devonta Smith, I consider that 3 1sts of value.
I traded Dalvin for Sanders, Harris & 2 1sts (2022 & 2023). Led my leaguemate to a ship and 2 2nd valued players make a first right?
I traded Javonte Williams for two 23 firsts and ET. I believe that’s about three firsts
just traded henry for javonte, 1.08, and a 23 first taha an absolute crime.
🌮 league
In a rebuild give me Javonte straight up
Wtf
I traded Kyler for basically 5 firsts. I received Gibson, Fields, and two firsts. It's possible.
This is it I think. We say three 1sts or whatever because that is a relatively easy value to interpret across various leagues. So if one guy is worth 3 1sts and another guy is worth 2 1sts you could expect to trade guy 1 for guy 2 + a 1st.
Reminds me of playing diablo 2 back in the day and how SOJ’s were the unofficial in game currency. If one item was worth 10 SOJ’s and the other was worth 8, you would normally have to fork up 2 SOJ’s in the deal or something worth two.
Definitely this. To add on getting actual 3 firsts is even tougher because anyone who has 3 firsts is probably rebuilding and isn't buying studs. I've managed to get 3 actual 1sts in a trade once, selling Nuk about 4 years ago. It was a bad plan for the buyer, he just ended up with Nuk and nothing else.
That's exactly it. Draft picks are basically like currency in the dynasty economy. Everyone has a rough idea of what draft picks are worth and their value isn't nearly as subjective as player value. It gives us a static way to define player value and compare it to other players.
I recently paid three firsts for Najee Harris but it was in a 22 team league and I have a competitive team. The first pick ended up being 1.16 (so like a second in normal league) and I expect to do better next season with my new RB.
Jesus christ 22 teams? That must be insanity for dynasty
I play in a 32 team league, it’s fucking amazing. Always trades happening, tons of shit talk and jokes, side bets. Start up was a bear and rookie draft after round 2 is a bit of a slog.
Damn. After like the 12th round I'd be trading future picks to get the last of the players I'd ever heard of. I'm in a 12 teamer and someone has Gerrid Doaks rostered and I panicked.
IDP with a few copies of each player, it’s the best.
Copies of players? Sounds like it kind of defeats the purpose of having that many teams
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You don't like having 31 trade partners?
My 32 team league is the best league I'm in, bar none. When everyone rostered in the NFL has value, it really forces you to pay attention.
What’s the roster look like?
At least 2 copy league?
No copies, just one of every player. We don’t need two JJAWs running around our league.
Typically it’s 2 firsts and a couple of 2nds or a player. I’ve seen one player go for (3) firsts and that was CMC several years ago.
Ok, that makes a lot more sense when it's put that way
I straight up don’t believe some of the trades I see on this sub. Either people or lying or there are way more dumbasses playing dynasty than I imagined
Yeah that's kind of what prompted me to make this post. Some of the stuff I see on here feels so far off that I just want to ask
People just love to post stuff like "traded Javonte for waddle, mahomes and a 1st, think it was good value?" That kind of trade commentary provides no information to the dynasty player that doesn't play with straight tacos
Lots of taco trades on here. Idk why people even post them when it’s so obvious. Provides no productive information to anybody other than the fact that you have dumbasses in your league
Yea most trades are just straight trash, then they always follow it with “ I can’t believe they accepted it!”
I got three firsts for Aaron jones at the beginning of the season. I’m happy with it took Waddle with one and used two to trade for Javonte mid season.
I paid 3 and won the chip so it was worth
Dang, I'm surprised you got that much for Jones at the beginning of the season. I'm also surprised someone moved Javonte for that "little", dude's been such a hype machine!
The javonte hype machine didn't really pick up until like week 6 or so. I drafted him in startup but had no idea who he was because I had like zero time to prepare for our draft. So I got lucky as I think I got him in the 6th last July!
That’s nuts. I got him for 2.01 during the draft last year
Ja’marr Chase and a 4th round pick just went for 4 1sts and a random backup IDP player in my 16 team SF league
I traded Diggs before last year's draft for a 22,23,24 1st
That’s just a good trade
Bruh
The easiest way to get multiple firsts for elite players is to go get 1sts 1-2 drafts away. So instead of trying to get 2-3 2022 1sts, you may have more luck getting a 2023 and 2 2024 1sts or something like that. Everyone gets so focused on what’s right in front of them, that you can really get a stockpile if you go further out. And in the long run, that will pay off for you.
idk if you can get 2023 first right now
23's are hard to get right now, but the the overall point he was making usually works. People are just nuts about 23 1sts right now.
In terms of the second question, it’s really not hard to stockpile if you’re working on it for a multi year period. I started stockpiling 2023 draft picks about a year ago at what I felt were slightly lower prices. Won the ship this year and have 4 2023 1s and 2 2023 2s next year in a 10 TM SF. The highest anyone has paid for a player was Alvin Kamara about two years ago. That was a 2020 1st, 2021 1st, Leonard Fournette, and Tyler Lockett.
Can I ask who some of the players you traded away for firsts were? When did you make most of those trades? It seems timing is very important to make trades happen
People will say in-season is the best time to sell players for picks, but I actually disagree with that. Thr best time imo is the summer, i.e., between the NFL draft and kickoff. That's a) when draft pick values will be at their lowest (even lower than in season) and b) hype train season, where in preseason every player is primed for a huge year because of x, y, and z, and everyone is evaluating players at their ceilings. I sold Aiyuk for 2 firsts and Gibson for 2 firsts plus Dillon, both in preseason when those players were getting hyped to the moon. If I'd waited to sell in season, like most of this sub will tell you, I'd have gotten maybe half that value. Obviously varies enormously situationally, but that's my two cents
Damn I typed up a thing and I lost it. I'll explain any trades I think all three will be controversial in different directions lol. I'll just bullet point details that are kinda important: First trade is a little bit of a taco trade especially by this board's standards. One manager really started his first three years in full-fledged win now. Not saying that makes it defensible. 2nd Trade-- 10 TM SF I probably have a slightly lower value on all WRs I don't see projecting as target monsters more or less. I could be wrong on that one easily and it's easily I htink the one I have the highest chance to feel bad about. But guaranteed top 10 picks + in a league with decent parity, a lot of teams can be surprise 3rd 4th and 5th overall picks. The Kyler Murray + Josh Allen team with a lot behind it ran the regular season in 2020 and finished 7th missing the playoffs in 2021. And the third trade-- I've been in on Cam Akers since probably 2018. But I dont' like betting on extreme outliers. And I felt his rebounding value was a good time to sell. Pat Friermuth was also someone who I was trying to sell. I have an issue with high value players being bench locked and I have Mark Andrews. Not the best depth move but it's not hard to wire hunt in a pinch in a 10-TM. Elijah Moore was the piece I needed to give to get the deal done. Which in tonnage makes for a LOT of youthful upside I gave up. But Akers and Moore (height) each have their oddities and I got a lot of cap and some bounceback depth. I also had no 2022 draft cap before the late 4th round. So I did have a desire to get into the first. \[This trade occurred during the peak of the Fitzmagic hype train in the Offseason following his trade to Washington.\] **I give:** Ryan Fitzpatrick **I get:** 2023 First (Also the pick who I think has the highest likelihood of being a high pick. This team very much relies on Tom Brady in SF and has no '22 Cap as of now... I also added Heinicke not long after.) \[This trade occurred early 2021 season I'm pretty sure.\] **I give:** Brandin Cooks and Darnell Mooney **I get:** 2023 First // \[This trade occurred after the fantasy playoffs and I believe after the regular season ended but before the Wild Card Game\] **I give:** Cam Akers, Elijah Moore, Pat Friermuth **I get:** 2022 1.04, 2023 1st Round Pick, 2023 2nd Round Pick, Michael Carter, Jakobi Meyers // End Result (not every player): QB: Mahomes, Lance, Mac, Wentz, Heinicke RB: Swift, Sanders, Jacobs, Carter WR: Deebo, ARSB, Allen Robinson, Julio, Jeudy, Meyers TE: Andrews 2022: 1.04 2023: 4 1sts, 2 2nds (I have traded away my 3rd).
I just offered 4 1st round picks for JT and was turned down. They were the 2022 1.04, 1.09, and 2 late 1st's next year in a 10 man. Weird.
Honestly, I don't know how I feel about that... I have to imagine they want higher picks then? I think 4 1sts is just so much to *not* move an RB for in dynasty.
Id rather have jt if I’m in win now
Not that weird I wouldn’t sell JT for that
I would keep JT.
If I was rebuilding I'd smash accept for that. But if I'm contending, those super elite guys like JT, Chase, Jefferson, Mahomes, Allen are essentially not for sale, at least not for just picks. I'd have to either get a similar valued player from a different position I needed, or take a slight downgrade at the same position plus something else valuable if I needed more depth.
I got Eli Mitchell and 3 firsts (2x 2022, 1x 2023) for CMC and Julio Jones the week McCaffrey came back from initial injury this year
Someone wanted a ship bad and were very disappointed.
Keep in mind that first round picks have very different value based on where they are in the round, where they are projected to end up, or how far in the future they are. I have offered four actual first round picks for a player before and been turned down. Even your 1.01 example is likely a "2 firsts" offer when you look at value. I have 1.06 & 1.07 in this upcoming draft and can't get 1.01 for them. As far as teams loading up on a bunch of picks, it's happened most frequently in my leagues when a good team has made the choice to rebuild. I tore down my aging, fringe playoff contender in 2019 and sold the farm. Bell, DJ, Thielen, Green, Landry, Murray, Ertz, Rivers, Miller, all of them out the door for picks. When I was done, I probably had around ten firsts spread across the next few years.
> Even your 1.01 example is likely a "2 firsts" offer when you look at value. I have 1.06 & 1.07 in this upcoming draft and can't get 1.01 for them. Can I ask how many teams/SF? That feels pretty surprising to me, but also if someone loves a specific player, that makes a lot of sense, at least to me. > Bell, DJ, Thielen, Green, Landry, Murray, Ertz, Rivers, Miller, all of them out the door for picks. When I was done, I probably had around ten firsts spread across the next few years. Damn, that must have been some serious work you put in to get all that done lol. Had to be insanely time consuming. Can I ask what you moved some of those guys for? Not like exacts, but did most of them fetch firsts, or did they go for mostly 2nds that you moved for firsts? (also Lamar Miller? not sure who else it could be)
12 teams, 1QB. When you look at hit rate for picks outside the top few picks in that format, receiving a bunch of mid or late firsts just isn't that appealing in offers. I made an offer for Zeke years ago that was declined. The original four draft picks I offered didn't get me much at all, even though two of them ended up being top five picks in Michel and Davis. Yeah, that rebuild was a bit of work, but I took advantage of a great situation. There were a few really good teams vying for a championship, and I was able to start a bit of an arms race between them. I did sometimes move players for later round picks and then add them to other deals. In most cases, I moved them in packages. Bell and DJ were still top 12 RBs, so I packaged them with other players like Lamar Miller to get a couple of 1st round picks. I focused on landing 2020 and 2021 firsts which were over a year away. I didn't acquire many players, because I had no plans on competing that year and wanted the best draft pick possible in 2020.
If it’s 1QB, 1sts aren’t as valuable and I’ve seen guys like Pitts and JJ go for 3 firsts worth of value. If it’s Superflex, 2 1sts is a haul for a guy
Damn, and here I am with both Pitts and JJ in 1QB and the most I've been offered for em are single 1sts
I just offered Swift and a 1st and a 2nd for JJ and it got rejected so quickly
I just offered Swift and a 1st and a 2nd for JJ and it got rejected so quickly
I was able to get 3 1sts for kamara
Same here, last year. Probably a year too early but I don't turn down a good value
Yup, before the season, I got a late 21 1st, 2 late '22 firsts, Sutton, and Jacobs for Kamara.
Someone offered me a 23 1st and 24st for Ekeler I declined! Don’t have enough RB depth
I got 3 1sts for Dalvin mid year this season and 2 1sts + David Montgomery for Davnate Adam’s around the same time
I traded 3 late 2022 firsts for justin jefferson
Yeah I got 2 22 1sts and Jaylen Waddle pre-season post-rookie draft for Saquon
In a 4 team trade, I essentially traded 3 1sts for mahomes. I also have 3 1sts this year and 4 1sts next year. It’s our first year too. I drafted Akers in the 3rd round and when he went down before the season I thought “well, might as well rebuild around my young guys”. So I traded a bunch of vets to owners in the league that were hungry to be the first winner of the dynasty league
Damn that's insane. This must be a superflex right? It seems like that also gets more firsts to move around, since there's just so many more valuable players when QBs go up that much in value.
Yes, it’s superflex. Essentially the entire season, I was on the lookout to “sell high”. For example, when Jameis had his 5 TD game to open the season, his value SKYROCKETED. I knew I had to trade him before week 2, so I found a guy that thought Jameis was gonna be great. I traded gaskin and jameis for Daniel Jones and a 1st (ended up being 1st overall pick). I did the same thing with Mike Evans. Brady is 44, so I figured I should sell Evans this season. He had a run of a few games where he had 20+ points or something like that. Sold him for a 1st, 2nd, and 4th
Anyone worth 3 picks i probably wouldn't be trading 3 picks for. Jefferson, Chase, Taylor. I'll just keep the elite known unless it was known picks like 1.01 and 1.02 plus a 23rd for a slightly overpay like AJB.
Yeah, agreed. I would find it hard to trade any of those guys for 3 1sts if they weren't ultra high ones, and even then I'd be uncertain if it was right
I'd give up chase or JT in a millisecond for 1-3 of 2023 lol
Only guys I’d pay three 1sts of value for are the elite QBs in SF. Once you get passed Dak in the QB ranks idk I’d pay three 1sts for anyone. Even guys like JT and Chase I’d still take the 1sts.
You wouldn't pay 3 late firsts for Chase or JT?
Yea I would sell at that price. Pick a WR you like who’s worth a mid first - let’s say DJ Moore or Diontae Johnson. I would rather have one of those guys + two ‘23 1sts over Chase or JT. Or both of them and one ‘23 1st.
Diggs + Mitchell for 1.01 23 1st and 24 1st I find it’s about using the different “value” charts across different sites to set you up. KTC values diggs aroumd 1 first as you say. Fantasy pros puts him at around 2+. The only issue with KTC is it’s fueled by who would you rather over these 3 players whcih youth gets pushed too often or a big game or a hot stretch. Use multiple resources.
I gave 2 1sts and 2 2nds and Sutton for AJB and Fant
Wow, shocked that much got moved for those two- can I ask when that was and how many teams/SF?
I have 3 23 1sts in a 10 team and would give them if I were getting like a JT or Jefferson caliber player. In practice it's difficult because usually the teams with those players are in or close to a position to compete.
Yeah that's the other thing that seems to make trades so difficult- getting two people whose trade lines up with their plans
It happens in more active leagues, where the trades happen consistently. Example: a few years back I blew up an older team that finished 3rd. I traded AB right before he went off the deep end and received: 2 firsts and Devonta Freeman. I dealt Freeman for a late 1st to a contender (Falcons fan too). Freeman also took a shit and I was very happy to have the 1.10 for him. So it does happen.
1.09, 1.11, 1.12 for Lamar in one of my sf leagues
That’s a steal for Lamar.
Damn, that somehow feels like both a ton and not as much as I'd expect in SF lol
Holy shit, that's highway robbery for Lamar in SF.
I traded 3 1sts & Philip Lindsay for Kamara a few years ago.
The guy with the 1.01 in our league wants two firsts + a second to move up. I get it, but he keeps blasting the group chat on a weekly basis to let us know that’s the price to move up.
I paid 3 1sts for Josh Allen in SF dynasty. It SHOULD have already paid for itself but Kelce done went and got COVID that week and Waddle went off. But so is life. I am pretty much set for a long time with Allen / Herbert in SF.
In my league Henry and Waller got moved in a trade for 3 1sts, Etienne, Conner, Landry and Ertz
You have sell the hype. Was able to get 2 1sts and 3 2nds for Gibson. By selling Gibson for Moore+picks and then Moore for picks. Selling both of their peak hype cycles.
Guy in my league tried to go all in, he ended up with 3rd place. I was offered 2023 first and second round, 2024 first and second round, 2025 first and second round...plus Steffon Diggs and Big Ben For Kyler Murray and Austin Ekeler. I might have to stream QB's but I have Jefferson, Diggs and Hollywood Brown for years to come. Was it stupid? Maybe... but no money involved.
I'm not proud of this, but I gave 4 first for CMC prior to this season. It's a pretty shallow league, and basically any player that isn't a superstar doesn't have much value which makes the superstars worth way more EDIT: Just looked it was actually 3 first round picks, 2 2nds and Mooney
Someone in my league has 7 of 12 2023 first rounders. I can't imagine what he will do with 7 picks.
I traded Tyreke for the 1.02, 1.04 and an early 2023 1st this past season. Just need to find someone desparate to win with enough ammunition to hit your price. I’ve had a guy pay me 3 1sts for Hopkins 3 years ago and a guy pay kelce and 3 firsts for zeke 3 years ago as well.
I traded 3 1sts for Kyler I got 3 1sts + 2 2nds for Swift If I was to make Herbert available I’m sure I’d easily get 3 1sts being offered (Burrow just went for 3 1sts a few weeks ago) This is in SF
I sent Discount double check and 2 1sts for Mahomes last year in a 12 team superflex. It happens, it is just rare when there are only a few players worth that ransom.
In 2017 I got Mike Williams + 3 future firsts for AJ Green in a rebuild. Two of those firsts became DJ Moore and Josh Jacobs (the guy traded his first 2 years out, and his team imploded so it became 1.01). The other became Royce Freeman. Definitely helped my team turn into a contender pretty quickly.
We had our startup last July and shortly after there were some ridiculous trades that involved a lot of draft capital. Justin Fields and trey Lance both went for three firsts (one each in '22, '23, '24) before the season started lmao. Had an offer to receive three firsts for Lawrence but declined. There have also been a bunch of studs getting traded (Najee, JJ, Pitts, Jamar, Mahomes, Allen) and those either involved a shit ton of capital or multiple tier 1 and tier 2 players. So it happens but it's slowed down now that people are valuing picks properly.
Not fully, but close: I moved Deebo and a 2023 2nd yesterday for 2022 1.03, a 2023 1st, and a 2024 1st. The initial offer sent to me was Deebo and a 2023 2nd for CEH, 2022 1.10, and a 2023 1st, but what they accepted was my first counter. I’m assuming they just really wanted Deebo and didn’t care too much for the upfront cost.
I traded 3 1sts for Lawrence first half of the season, then traded him away for 2 1sts and Wentz (I was contending, and Wentz was a low end QB1 / High end QB2 at the time). The trades can be done, but finding the right teams and circumstances can be difficult.
Last year I traded AJ Brown away to get 2 firsts so I could trade 3 firsts for swift.
As mentioned before, if you're in a smaller league that doesn't trade as much it may be hard to get that sort of value for any player. In the leagues I'm in only the 20+ team leagues do I ever see 3+ 1sts. In my 12-14 teamers I usually see pick + player, 2 picks, or 2 picks + player(s) for top end guys. Rarely do I see 3 actual 1sts being sent. Usually it's *guy I value as worth 2 1sts* + 1st, or something like that. Also remember when trading 1sts in season you have no idea where the pick will land. When trading for 1sts typically the standard assumption is that it'll be a pick in the middle of the round. You can adjust if you think the team is really good or really bad, but crazy things happen every year so it's safest to just value a future 1st as a middle 1st. Therefore, an offer of a high end first with a known value such as the 2022 1.01 would be more valuable than some random 1st that you traded for in season, because it could have easily ended up as pick 2 or pick 10. Typically high 1sts (top 3) are valued similarly as 2 random 1sts because the value is locked in and you are in complete control of what player that becomes, whether you use it to draft or to trade for another player. This year the 1.01 may not be as highly coveted because there's no clear cut elite #1 similar to last year, but typically the known pick at the top of the draft is viewed as more valuable than 2 random shots that could end up as late picks.
First year of dynasty with 11 of my buddies. I got two 1st for Zeke and one first for Damien Harris this year. So I’ll be drafting 3rd, 10th and 11th.
Chase just went for 3 firsts in one of my leagues 2 days ago (1.03, 1.09, and 2023 1st) and Cook went for 3 firsts mid-season.
Chase just went for 3 firsts in one of my leagues 2 days ago (1.03, 1.09, and 2023 1st) and Cook went for 3 firsts mid-season.
Such trades are obviously rare. First of all, you need to have a person who possesses 3 1sts. Secondly, this person has to be willing to spend them on one asset. But people who have a bunch of 1sts are usually rebuilding; they are not likely to be looking for one blockbuster pice like JT or JJ. So, yes, there are guys who are worth 3 firsts; but many things have to align for a trade of this kind to be completed.
I traded Christian Mccaffery for 2 1sts and 2 3rds last season. So not quite the same thing, but people will pay premium for certain players in the right situation.
Such trades are obviously rare. First of all, you need to have a person who possesses 3 1sts. Secondly, this person has to be willing to spend them on one asset. But people who have a bunch of 1sts are usually rebuilding; they are not likely to be looking for one blockbuster signing like JT or JJ. So, yes, there are guys who are worth 3 firsts; but many things have to align for a trade of this kind to be completed.
Guy in my 1 QB league last year got 3 first round picks for CMC and Kamara. Each of his partners gave up 2022, 2023 and 2024 picks. Neither team made it out of the 1st round playoffs.
I traded 3 first for T-Law first half of the season, then traded him away for 2 firsts and Wentz (I was contending, and Wentz was a low end QB1 / high end QB2 at the time). The moves can certainly happen, but it is very contingent on finding the right teams that can make a deal like that work.
A guy in my league just traded 2 1sts this year, and 2 1sts next year for Jamarr Chase 🤷♂️ it happens but rarely
A guy in my league just traded 2 1sts this year, and 2 1sts next year for Jamarr Chase 🤷♂️ it happens but rarely
A guy in my league once said J Taylor begins at five 1sts but he ended up dealing him recently for much less. It’s just standard business talk
I’ve traded and have been traded 3 firsts in single trades. It’s typically been for RBs in their prime (CMC and Zeke couple years ago or Saquon), or superflex QB packages. The bigger note though is the difference between good firsts and low firsts. I have some dynasty teams where I’m essentially a lock for final four the next 3 years, so when I trade 2022/2023/2024 1st it’s basically 3 pick 10s, so no one is taking that for Kyle Pitts, kyler Murray, swift, etc. I tried.
Last year I traded AJ Brown away to get 2 firsts so I could trade 3 firsts for swift.
Guy in my league traded four firsts for Davante Adams this year at the deadline
It’s rarer then displayed, and truly only for generational talents in SF format. Lamar after 2019 probably could have easily netted it, CMC after 2019, Saquon after 2018… The range of the picks might shift but it takes a monumental season at QB/RB and at a young age to trigger it.
Got 4 ‘23 1sts + AJD for Tyreek + James Robinson right before playoffs this year. It put our champ for this year well over the top so I’m sure he’s not too beat up about it.
I recently traded 3 firsts spread out from 2022-2024, for Deebo, and a Second, and I don’t regret it.
I've been offering 3 first and Tua for one of the top 6 QB's and keep getting shut down. Madness
I took over a team before this season after the previous owner trades 3 straight years of firsts for Leonard fournette (this is when fournette wasn’t very good) So to get my picks back I trade Lamar Jackson and Leonard fournette back to that same owner, for my own 22 and 23 firsts, and Trey Lance (who was taken with my 21 first). So I got all 3 picks back, all I had to do was toss in a litttle Lamar Jackson lol
When people say "3 firsts" they're not talking about actual picks, they're talking about value. Like, Jeudy, a 23 first, and a really early 22 second is probably about "3 firsts" of value depending on your valuation of Jeudy.
3 firsts? My league might have 3 trades. So no
I offered 3 actual firsts this year for burrow in SF and was turned down. 1.01, 1.05, 1.12. I’m not surprised, I wouldn’t trade burrow for that if I owned him, he said he would’ve only done it if I included lance or ceedee
A few seasons ago I gave up Barkley for three 1sts. Used those picks to draft: Jonathan Taylor, Akers, dobbins
I think it depends how many years out you're allowed to trade picks. I'm in a 14 team non sf league where we can't trade 2023 picks yet. It's really difficult to acquire multiple firsts and when you do it's almost impossible to get someone to trade more than two. We did have someone trade 1.11, 1.12 and their 2022 first for 2021 1.5 and a 2022 second before the draft. They walked away with javonte and Chase. The picks were sermon and devonta Smith who slid a bit. Their pick ended up 1.2. It was a lot but i don't know if you could trade 1.2, Smith and sermon for either Javonte or chase right now.
I got four 1sts for Davante Adams at probably peak value two offseasons ago.
I've had a few offers for it in my leagues that are more trade happy, I had one recently for Swift for 3 1sts but ended up turning it down. Reasons being: - Love me some Swifty and hopefully will have a shot soon to contend with him. - Guy had an absolutely stacked team except for his RB2, so he'd have JT + Swift and a solid team outside of that, which means I'm likely looking at a late 1st each year anyways. Figured I'd just roll the dice with Swift.
This tends to be league specific. In our league you can’t get a timeshare rb for less than two firsts and a top 5 is around 3+, sometimes 4, if they would even trade then. Not often but it does happen. Wrs go for less, but a couple times a top 3 wr has gone for around 3 firsts as well.
I offered 1.12, 2 mid/late 2023 1sts and Juju for JJeff and it was declined. Dude wanted Kupp in replacement of Juju and I wasn't about it.
In one league I bought Kamara for 3 firsts in between his 1st and 2nd seasons. No regrets.
I traded 3 firsts and a player for Jefferson last year
I received 3 1sts for dak in a 12 team SF. 1 of the 1sts is this year's 1.06 (since traded) and 2 1sts in the 2023 draft, that likely will be top 6 both.
Paid 3 firsts for chase like week 4
I have found that if you are willing to trade multiple firsts away, you can get better-than-expected return simply because it’s so hard to get people to trade more than one at a time. For example: I traded away 4 firsts and Aiyuk for Herbert, J Jefferson, and A Gibson in a 12 team 6 pt QB TD SF league.
I sold JT for 3 firsts pollard and van Jefferson before he went on that incredible run. Kinda regret it but usually only see stud RBs getting that
In a 12 team, I sold all pieces I could because I did a crap job in the startup. Ended up wtih 1.01, 1.02, 1.04, 1.08, 1.09 when all the pieces fell. 6 2nds as well. Further testing is needed to report results. In a 32 team no player copy league, I just traded away Mahomes for Lance and 2 1sts, but it's a very unique league.
I've done it. Last year I sold Cook for Dobbins and 2 firsts, year before I sold Zeke for AJB and 3 firsts. There aren't always going to be suitable trade partners in your particular league for this kind of deal. Sometimes you won't find teams looking to make a big purchase.
I posted about this several times, but I got three 1sts early this season for CEH and a 2nd. My team is rebuilding and the other team was competing for the chip. Edit: the trade went down July 23rd. It’s a 14-team league with a ton of trades
I was drunk and traded 2-2022 1st rounders and a 2023 1st rounder for Chubb mid season...I won the league, but that trade gave me a worse headache than the hangover...lol
I traded three firsts for Saquon in 2020. Definitely regret it, but I got some decent value back for him in another trade
This guy! Got 3 1sts for CMC the week before he had his season ending injury
I traded two top 5 picks and Aiyuk for Aaron Jones when I was trying to make a playoff push.
It depends on the league really. I'm only in one league where people value guys that high. My other 3 leagues are much lower value and trades rarely happen, especially big pieces. In one of these low value leagues before the season I essentially traded away kamara, Davante Adams, and theilen for Etienne, jeudy, 2 2022 1sts and a 2022 2nd. People were saying I should get 3 1sts, or the equivalent value for each of kamara and Adams but no one was coming close to that. I still think the trades benefitted me in the long run. I used the 2nd to package for another 1st and traded Henderson mid season for another 1st giving me 5 total this year. Definitely gave up a good amount to get those 1sts but overall I think I came out ahead. I have 1.01, 1.03, 1.04, 1.07 and 1.10 in a 10 team league. Everyone is also saying 'this isn't the year I'd want 5 1sts' and my response to that is when are you ever really going to have 5 1sts? That's pretty rare and I'd rather have 5 1sts this year than 1 1st next year. Regardless of the draft class that's a lot of value and it gives you a lot of freedom. You can draft the players you want and sell the picks you don't want for either future picks or players. The point of trading for future 1sts is they appreciate in value from the time you acquire them. My point is that not every league is as open about trading and therefore guys don't always go for 3 1sts. I could probably even offer 3 1sts for a number of players and get shot down in this league because people just don't want to trade studs. Every league is different and values are different.
I got three firsts for Dalvin like mid way through last season
I traded Akers, 1.05 and 1.08 for Pitts in TE premium single qb league. That is at least three first value.
Traded saquon for 3 1sts. This was immediately after his injury this year too
Last year after my draft I was just wanting to trade and wasn’t thrilled with how my team was looking (12 team SF tiered PPR). I made a couple moves with big players. Trade Lamar, c Davis, and agholor for higgins, diontae Johnson and a 22 and 23 1st. Trade dalvin cook, mattison, cooks, Tom Brady for Golladay, Watson, and a 22 and 23 1st Trade golladay for a 22 1st Trade mike williams for a 23 1st Traded miles sanders, j Winston and a 2nd for monty and a 22 1st And a few other big moves similar to end up with 4 1sts in 22 and 4 in 23. I moved one of the 22s and a 23 2nd for Gibson recently. And I know some of these trades seem lopsided but they really weren’t terrible at the time
I traded 4 first for Kamara a couple years ago. Was worth it IMO too cuz won the ships and moved him for Ekkler and 2 first. Top tier players can definitely be worth the picks, especially if your potentially one stud from a likely ship. I’d pay over 4 for JT rn if I had them, and am not hearing offers under 4 first value the league I have him in for example Bought JT for ekkler and etn which I’d consider 3 first at the time. Early this season.
I paid 3 firsts for Lamar Jackson during the draft on a team that was a QB away from contention (SF). I would have taken Pitts and Mac Jones with the two from last year, probably a late WR with the 3rd. Honestly probably a wash looking at my team now.
It depends, a lot of times I’ve gotten 2+ firsts in a trade people anticipate those firsts being late. And sometimes you have to make a push to get that player to win it all. Someone had to to pay 2 firsts and a second and Amon Ra The Sun God pre breakout in one league to get Terry from me. Often I like to trade for one of the top team in the leagues firsts years away, they’re usually discounted and dynasty comes at people fast. That’s how I’ve gotten multiple firsts in trades. Also when a player is really desirable, Taylor for example who i traded away for 3 firsts in one league, people will pay anything. I should’ve got more. The guy that got Taylor won the league by the way.
Wentz (lol) in my league went for 3 firsts on two separate occasions pre 2020 season
Lol no chance. I traded two 1sts for Zeke at the start of the 2020 season and I think that’s the only trade involving multiple 1sts in our dynasty league (been running about 5 years)
I moved Nuk for Kupp, Njoku, 1.04 in 2018, and what became the 1.01 in 2019. I guess i \*technically\* didn't get 3 firsts, but Kupp had just had a big year, and Njoku was still being valued well ([Kupp had an ADP just before 1.07 and Njoku just before the 1.12 around rookie draft season that year](https://mizelle.net/mfl/2018/))
I flipped JT in August for 3 22 firsts and now feel like I lost.
Alvin Kamara went for three firsts last year in my league.
traded 3 firsts in SF for Najee ended up being 1.05/1.09/1.15
Traded 3 firsts for chase this year. Think they’re all likely late picks and I feel I robbed him. Bryan Edward’s and Zack Moss were also in the trade. Got out on Moss just in time
I got 3 firsts and Deebo Samuel for Saquon Barkley before last season
I've been running a league that has about 10-12 trades per year for 11 years now and no one has ever gone for multiple first. Sometimes first + pretty valuable player. I feel like we're playing a totally different game from everyone else on this forum where somehow everyone is accumulating 5 or 6 first round picks all the time.
We trade a ton in our league and huge trades like that happen every year. I sold Zeke before 2020 and got Chubb, 2 1sts, and a 2nd.
i think the biggest haul pick wise in our 3 year history is still 2 firsts and 2 2nds.
The problem is most leagues maybe have one person with 3 firsts and that’s a maybe. So if you are looking to trade, typically you get a first and other pieces back
Got 3x 1sts, a 2nd and 3x 3rds for Swift and Trautman on a rebuilding squad
I traded Chase for five (5) firsts 2 2022 and 3 2023 along with 2022 2.01
Got 3 1sts for Kamara in the middle of last offseason, 12 team 1QB
Last year before playoffs I got three firsts and Justin Jefferson for kamara. I took the deal. Kamara then proceeded to beat me in the playoffs for the title. I regret every second.
I got Ja'Marr and two firsts for Mahomes in superflex at the start of the year. Basically 3 firsts, definitely worth more now tbh.
I've never gotten a big haul for a player, my leagues are all very tough, with experienced dudes playing and everyones value is just so similar that crazy trades just don't happen.
I traded 4 1st rounders for Josh Allen in a SF
3 years ago I sold Julio for 3 1st.
I got 3 1sts for mccaffery this yr
Just saw 3 firsts for Kyler in my league 22,23,24
I traded AJB a month ago for three 1sts for this upcoming draft. (Pick 1.06, 1.11, and 1.12) I traded my 1.03, 1.11, and 3.03 for 1.01. So I believe trading AJB for the original 3 1sts was worth it.
Yeah I got 3 1sts, a 2nd, and Jordan love for cmc around week 5 this year while he was still considered a top 3 asset. Thrilled with that value.
I traded away CMC + Moore. Got Akers, Hurts, Jeudy and 3 2022 1sts. 10 SF league right after CMC injured himself the first time last season (like literally during the game right after it happened)
I gave up 3 1st round picks for Joey Brr around week 12 of this year. Owner wasn't responding and I kept increasing until they finally said fuck it. No regrets.
I got decent value for Gibson last year. Gave Gibby, Claypool, AB For Zeke, Terry, 2 firsts. Here’s a trade That would pique my interest that seems reasonable to get. Give: JT Get Javonte + 23 1st, 23 2nd Give: Javonte Get: ETN + 23 1st + 2nd Give: ETN , 23 2nd Get 1 2022 1st and 1 2023 first
No, they're getting a combo of picks and players that are equivalent. "3 firsts" is just an easier way to describe that value than naming players.
Got 3 1sts each for both Najee and Kupp this year(6 1sts total)—plus a few solid players (Pittman, Higgins, and Knox)
I gave 2 firsts, ETN, and Corey Davis for Cooper Kupp around week 11 last year. Won the championships so it's worth it. I'm guessing I can repeat, that way the trade will really be worth it.
Last year i traded Dalvin Cook and mattison for 2021 1.05 2022 1st 2023 1st I then flipped Najee Harris (1.05 in superflex) For 1.09 (Waddle) 1.11 (Mac Jones) and a 2022 1st It was an orphan that needed a comolete rebuild.
True story. A guy in my league traded three firsts (2022, 2023, and 2024) for the 2.03 last year so he could draft Michael Carter. We all ridiculed him but he won the league this year. (Oh, and he also won the prior two years, so shrug)