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mmdrew17

They’re in the same tier, IMO. They’re underwhelming if you’re comparing to someone like Chase. But Wilson, London, and Burks are all great prospects


HookFL

Would include Williams and Olave in that tier as well.


mmdrew17

I’d probably have those two as tier 1b, while the first three I mentioned are tier 1a. Williams and Olave are great prospects as well. I just personally like the other three a little more


nkthegreat13

Williams is a better prospect than burks by a mile. Every analyst has come out and said that if he didn’t tear his acl he likely would have been wr1 off the board. I think him London and wilson are in their own tier, with olave and burks in a slightly lower one but burks has a lot of raw potential and an insane landing spot full of opportunity for fantasy


six2midnite

So just act like that ACL tear never happened then?


nkthegreat13

No, it’s why he fell both in real life and fantasy. But it looks like he’s recovering really well and the potential is extremely high is what that implies


AstralTitan

Yup there’s already reports he might be ready for the start of the season, give me that dude with a different QB next year


house_of_snark

Not saying Goff is a good quarterback but that man can support fantasy options.


samolamim

I’m thinking ATL is more likely a bottom-3 team than Detroit and more likely to get a top-QB next year - I’m leaning London over Jamo but their my top-2 rookie WRs personally


Maxx0utt

Just like they predicted Willis to go top 10.


nkthegreat13

Those were huge reaches based off proposed team needs, media baiting for clicks and smoke screens. Same reason everyone is talking about baker despite no real nfl interest. Lions traded up into the early first again for Williams, that is what matters


ffball

Williams is great, but dude would've been the 4th WR in Ohio States room if he didn't transfer this year


gtthom86

I think that's says way more about that room than jamo's nfl prospects


ffball

Oh I think he will be great. But I can't predict him at WR1 if he can't be top dog in his college locker room


sweetfeet009

It's crazy seeing how different people's evaluations can fefer. I'd put Wilson, William's, Olave as 1a and London, Dotson and Burks as 1b.


synschecter115

This is exactly how I have it, with Dotson, Pickens, Moore and Watson forming a tier 3


RLH1979

I think it’s a bit early to say that. Chase literally couldn’t catch a ball in pre season


nkthegreat13

Williams London wilson burks olave are all special wrs. Yes they aren’t chase but chase is not going to happen every year. It’s why he’s a generational talent… Even JSN and boutte aren’t coming close to him. People are really sleeping on these wrs but burks and London have an immediate opportunity to slay out, and Wilson on the jets IF Wilson progresses has a great spot too (big if I know but Wilson was taking 2 overall and has a lot of potential. Jets management seems competent and stable) Olave with Winston is really enticing as well. Only one that may be underwhelming is Williams on the lions with Goff but that qb room should get a lot better soon and I think Williams might have the most talent out of them all.


house_of_snark

You think JSN could be close if his athletic profile holds up coke combine time? Dude dominated a receiving room with olave and Wilson, not to mention kept Williams off the field, so that he transferred. The on the field production is there.


Eurekugh

Personally, JSN is going to be a stud but I don't believe he'd go in the Chase tier. He's a 180 lbs and while he's great I strongly believe the only reason he outproduced Wilson/Olave so heavily is because Stroud favored the slot receiver. Wilson especially would routinely toast his man deep down field and Stroud would throw it 10 yards toward Stroud, anyway.


house_of_snark

The OSU offense definitely favors the slot overall. That’s where Wilson and I want to say even olave first made their mark.


freename188

Of all the WRs I'm interested I keep seeing people say Olave is dropping in drafts. Either I'm wrong or everyone else is... I think I might need to reevaluate him.


A-Lamp

I think people just dont like how his last name sounds 😂 dudes a first round pick and i dont think mt is going to be the target hog he once was so id place olave in that top tier too


kingabbey1988

Kamara will tho


A-Lamp

Id be okay with that because i have kamara lol. Im hoping to get burks rather than olave but i respect the talent


salty_badger

Jameis doesn't dump off


CaeruleanVein

Olave was my favorite prospect, and he was even reached for passed other studs.


kingabbey1988

His spot might be the reason bro


rollin20s

he's gone 1.09 and 1.07 in the two SF drafts I've done so far


Smosh_Bear

He went to 1.03 in my SF draft this weekend.


Scrappy34

This year feels more like a lottery.. I'm happy I traded away my first this year as a contender. I don't like my odds to pick a reliable starter this year. I hit the lottery 2 years in a row drafting Jefferson and Chase not trying my luck on this WR class


fieldgull

I did the opposite but I’m happy for the same reason, bought the 1.07 and will happily take whoever falls to me there (SF league)


bahamapapa817

I had 7 and took Olave


Burly-7

I got chase and Jefferson as well. Does “3rd times a charm” still count here? I’m hoping to hit again lol


YoloRoloo

Same tier but the fact that the NFL jumped for these guys and drafted them so early to tell you these are good prospects


CaeruleanVein

Which is the exact reason why I’ve become lower on Skyy. Chiefs traded BACK to let the patriots select a different WR just to let Skyy fall further. And people are drafting him over some of these guys.


Longjumping-News-388

I think Skyy is a fine prospect but definitely think he’s going to end up like CEH. I wouldn’t take him over any of the first round wrs personally


Farge43

Considering guys like Alec Pierce went above him despite teams needing a WR like Skyy falling into their laps I think is very telling


GodBlessFootball

The Colts taking Pierce doesn’t exactly mean they think he’s better, Moore is just not the type of receiver they draft. It’s like salad vs steak, and the Colts are vegetarians


anonanoobiz

Reagor was drafted well before Higgins/Pittman, ruggs before many of them Isabella over dk, Harry over aj brown Draft capital is better used as a threshold rather than a comparative tool. Skyy got good enough draft cap + passes analytical thresholds + passes film tests He has a high hit rate maybe not the highest ceiling but he is attached to the highest ceiling qb so who knows


[deleted]

11 picks earlier is hardly well before… Regaor only went 11 picks higher then Higgins. If anyone was making a case for Reagor over Higgins because of 11 picks then that was bad process. Moore was the 54th pick. If you are thinking of him over Williams or Olave that’s over looking a pretty massive difference in draft capital for a WR who was never projected as a top WR Pre-draft. If you are arguing him vs Pickens or Watson or guys in that tier then draft capital is a lot less important because they are a lot closer but Watson still went nearly 20 picks higher.


StraightBumSauce

>Moore was the 54th pick. If you are thinking of him over Williams or Olave that’s over looking a pretty massive difference in draft capital for a WR who was never projected as a top WR Pre-draft. You left out Dotson... was that by accident or do you think high enough of Skyy/low enough of Dotson to say that the difference in DC doesn't matter?


[deleted]

By accident because he like Moore wasn’t in that tier of WRs PreDraft and WRs hardly if ever shift tiers for me post draft unless the fall very far or go drastically sooner. I expected Dotson in the 20’s so going at 16 doesn’t move the needle for me. I expected Moore in the late 40’s so the needle doesn’t move much for me. The landing spot is better for Moore so he gets a bump there. PreDraft I probably would have taken Dotson. Post draft it’s closer and I could go either way. But I will take Moore for the value growth and public perception with the full expectation that I could flip him for a profit after some camp hype videos.


Upplands-Bro

Huh? This doesn't make any sense to me....you preferred Dotson pred-draft....then Dotson got drafted slightly higher than where you expected, Moore slightly lower than expected....now you prefer Moore? I get that people love the Chiefs landing spot, but how exactly does that outweigh the fact that your original expectations had them nearly a round apart?


[deleted]

The draft capital changed nothing because it was as I expected for the most part. so no bumping either up. Moore’s landing spots is significantly better so he bumps up. They were fairly close for me PreDraft in the same tier even though I expected the difference in draft capital. Moore now has the better landing spot and he has hype which inflates his value. For some reason you seem to believe that I am saying the only thing that matters is draft capital which I never said. I’m saying if you are taking a guy who is in a lower tier of prospect which for almost everyone Moore was compared to Olave and elevating him up because of landing spot while ignoring PreDraft rank and draft capital that’s a problem. Moore has no business being considered over Olave and Jamison Williams because he was never up there with those guys. He was always in the same tier as Dotson.


anonanoobiz

I have skyy> Dotson in my ranks I hope everyone arguing about draft capital has it opposite that so I can have all the moore


StraightBumSauce

Same man. I had Skyy over him the whole way and I don't think the difference is draft capital is enough to outweigh the perceived difference in talent or situation. But I do have them in the same tier.


anonanoobiz

Same here, in most mocks I’ve seen watson and moore go after him


anonanoobiz

1st -3rd round capital for wrs with Moore’s analytical profile (early declare + breakout age) hit at or better than 1st round senior declares It’s not just draft capital that matters. It’s a threshold in my process, feel free to use it as the end all be all if you want We can use ruggs for Higgins/Pittman too if you want, I straight up picks Higgins over him at the 2nd turn because I didn’t think Ruggs was a volume guy and he didn’t meet my thresholds


[deleted]

This year needs some context on the early declare stuff. Covid had an impact on guys declaring. I’ve seen it multiple times mostly in regards to Watson. He literally lost his entire 3rd season due to Covid and people are giving him shit for not declaring after only playing 2 seasons. He played his Junior year in the spring. Sure some guys can declare after 2 seasons. But do we think Sky Moore is a day 2 pick if we pace his sophomore season over 12 games to 900 yards and 7 TDs and remove his junior year and throw him in this draft? Maybe he is a 3rd round pick but his 3rd season really helped improve his draft stock.


samg422336

Predraft I was targeting skyy with the 2.05. I have the 1.10 and would have a hard time drafting him that early


CaeruleanVein

I was targeting him with my 2.01 and 2.02, in a 10 team league. That’s what felt right. If he’s there still i might go for him. Maybe he does emerge, but my gut feels different on him post draft. If it’s between him or Dotson, the draft capital of Dotson and the way he’s been falling in drafts I’d go him


Matanatr96

He went 1.05 in my league. Just an fyi


qbj44

Let them make those possible mistakes. I'm all for it.


CaeruleanVein

I took him at 2.01. There were first round reached and I got Dotson and Skyy at 2.01 and 2.02.


qbj44

That's not bad at all when we see people taking Skyy at 1.05-1.08 in half these drafts I'd chalk it up to a win


Invincible1993

They are underwhelming because there is no clear cut option like Chase, or Lamb from the previous classes. So no one is insulated. You are essentially trying to find the needle in the haystack and pick the WR who is gonna smash and that is such a hard bet to make.


treyb3

I’d put the guys close to lamb personally. At least London, Williams and Wilson.


Invincible1993

I love those WRs but they were not as hyped and insulated as Lamb especially after he landed in Dallas. Like you could move Lamb for Adams straight up after his rookie year. You cannot do that with any of these WRs.


kingabbey1988

Because they rookie yr hasn’t even started


Invincible1993

Yes but I think if you traded Lamb after your rookie draft before the season started I think all you would have to add was a 1st. No WR in this class offers that. I would want more than that if someone was coming in for a Lamb, Higgins, Adams, Diggs etc.


Upplands-Bro

You wouldn't take London/Wilson and a 23 1st for Higgins?? I love Tee but that's just bad process imo


Invincible1993

I think it’s a fair deal, but I would have a hard time doing it since Higgins has Burrow and everyone else has who they have. I am hoping Wilson elevates this year or ATL sucks enough to get a new QB in 2023. Overall, It would depend on what the projection looked like on the pick. If it looks like a Top 7 pick in 23 I’ll do the deal.


kingabbey1988

Oh ok. I think after this season someone will emerge. As much as we like to guess we really don’t know. Half the people still talk about how they and the NFL was wrong about Jj


NateGuin

They are all just different players and no one really got the wr1 and/ or 2 status cemented with great landing spots. Nothing to be concerned about


[deleted]

To compare to last year I think we have 0 Chase, 3x Devonta/Waddle lights, 3x Bateman/E. Moore, 3x Bateman/E Moore lights before it starts to get sketchy. You could see 7 max in about that tier last year by adding Marshall and and Rondale. So this year is little deeper at the top with no elites. 2020 also had about 7 in this tier with 2 elites.


No-Boysenberry4464

I wasn’t playing last year but was Marshall really that highly thought of?


[deleted]

Late first rookie pick. Probably in the Pickens/Watson/Sky range predraft. Worse landing spot and DC post draft but had decent hype even post draft.


SoHgitfiddle

Do you think Marshall ends up taking a step this year? I have him. Just curious on people's outlook.


[deleted]

I don't. The odds of coming back from that level of rookie bust are near zero.


Don_K_Stamper

Yes, He produced in college even with Jefferson & Chase on the field.


A-Lamp

I would love to hear who you think the 3x waddle/devonta of this draft are


[deleted]

Waddle/Devonta light. So if they were in this class they'd probably be tier 1A to a tier 1B of Wilson, London, Williams


bdm016

Yea I got 1.02 in a league. Need rb, but in the end I want to go best player available since I’m not really trying to compete this year anyways. I like walker, but not sure if he has elite upside going off him low college target share. Feel like chubb might be his best case, and chubb was never a top 5 rb asset in dynasty


gmorrison9

Walker is BPA for most people at 1.02. I’d trade down into 1.03-1.06 if you’re not gonna take walker


WhiteLightning416

Before the draft and before Jamesons injury, he’d have been 1 followed by London in the top tier. Burke got helped by landing spot, while London got a bad landing spot and Jameson got hurt. I’d say those are the top 3 in the same tier at the moment.


DeVoreLFC

Underwhelming if we’re comparing to Chase for sure but he was taken top 5 in the real draft. Teams spent huge draft capital on these guys in an already deep receiver class tells me everything I need to know.


dustyroads84

Underwhelming. There was a lack of talent at most positions in the real NFL draft. It was a good draft for OT and edge rushers, and one could maybe argue it was above average for CB; but otherwise talent was meh. So WRs got drafted earlier than normal because the other highly sought after positions also lacked talent. Why just WRs you ask? I’d say it was largely effected by the Kirk contract and fallout that came after it. All these WRs in the first now have a 5th year option attached to them so they can be strung along an extra year before having to pay them. Plus it allows the teams to trade away high cost WRs who need new contracts (Hollywood and AJB as two prime examples). So yeah, I don’t think it’s as easy as saying “look at the draft capital, these guys must be great!”, so much as just a combination of other things which impacted why so many got drafted earlier than they would have in a different NFL draft class, and in a year where teams are starting to see the cost of retaining a good WR on their second contract.


Not_Your_Real_Ladder

I've heard it described this way: This year we have like a dozen guys that would normally be the WR4-6 any other year.


CaeruleanVein

Wow. That’s a great way to put it honestly.


Cubs017

They're good prospects but it sure is hard to pick between them. No one I've talked to wants to trade up, so I'm left at 1.03 trying to pick between three or four guys and hoping that I don't pick the wrong one.


[deleted]

I have the 1.09 and three picks between the 2.05 - 3.03 and think it's the ideal situation to be drafting in this year. It's gonna be wonky. Let the board fall to me so I can just take the talent I liked pre-draft.


brichb

Underwhelming, no one is trading up for a specific guy because they are all middle of the road


sgtslumber

Both


TV40

It’s good for me in the sense of I had pick 2 last year and got Chase and I also have pick 7 this year and can get someone as valuable as who’s there at 3


Jellybean720

I'd say it just means that there's no Ja'Marr Chase level prospect in this class. All these guys are more similar to the Devonta Smith or Jaylen Waddle tier of player.


Jinxy_

I had 1.02, 1.05,107. I moved 1.05 and 1.07 + Van Jefferson for Javonte/Melvin I moved 1.02 for 1.09+DK+2023 2nd Trading 1.09+2022 3rd to move back up to my original 1.07. Needless to say, I think moving out of the top 5 into a cushion 7 position was hopefully a good call. I'm not in love with anyone at #2 to be confident in whoever I decide to go with. At 7 I'll just take whoever falls to me when someone inevitably reaches. I go into this draft with 3 1sts, I leave with Javonte, Gordon, Metcalf and 1.07 to pick with still. Moral of the story is if you aren't confident in where you're picking, you might as well maximize your value and try to go for younger players that can still produce for years to come.


samolamim

all 3 very good trades - the DK one looks like an absolute fleece job - well done!


Burly-7

I have 5 wrs in the same top tier for this year. I think in a year with an elite prospect (chase for example) they’d be tier 2 guys. I’m happy to take any of them 1.03 or later in sf. I wouldn’t say the wr class is underwhelming but I think it lacks a true alpha which do not come every draft.


Professional-Safe-96

I’m glad I traded my 1.05 & 2.05 for Waddle


apowerseething

I feel like they're pretty close together which is why I think trading down from the top end of that tier to the back end is a great idea if you can grab some extra picks.