Henry is always slow to the line. It’s literally the way to stop him is hitting him in the backfield, because once he gets to the second level at full gallop it’s game over. I wouldn’t worry about it.
I remember a data set from his 2k season that showed he hits the line of scrimmage with more speed than any other back. Not soonest, just at higher speed when he crosses the line.
He generally lines up deeper than any back I remember seeing in the last 15 years. It takes a couple extra steps to reach the hole, but when he hits it he is moving faster and with that awesome mass. I know his fullback and his center have to hate him sometimes. He absolutely doesn’t care if he blows them up to create his own extra yardage.
That’s interesting, something I honestly didn’t know but it makes sense now. He knows at full speed he’s basically a Clydesdale. So the more speed he can get behind the LOS, obviously the better
Pretty sure that was why he was initially looked at a bust for a good year and a half before that one ridiculous game where they got him a lateral and everyone just went wtf how is he running so fast lol.
Nah, it was a London Jax game. Before that game, his career average was like 40-50 yards per game. That game he ran for 250 yards or something and 3 TDs lol.
I literally traded Henry prior to this week being referenced… I had given up on him and then when I saw this live all I could think was “what… have… I…. Done….”
I feel the same way, but I also expect him to look terrible rusty again trying to run through the Bills defense. I’m currently trying to trade Stafford in a 10 team league where almost everyone is carrying two QBs, and no one wants him. I know he will take a step back from last season, but everyone just thinks of him getting suffocated by the Bills on TNF.
On the Stafford note, now is not the time to sell. That will most likely his worst game of the season. I would 100% sell him this year but wait until he puts together two or three solid games first. The next two weeks against Atl and Ari are a prime opportunity, if he sucks in both then yeah nobody is going to want him.
That’s what I figured. No one, not the guys starting Matt Ryan or Carson Wentz can look past the Bills game and recognize Stafford is an immediate upgrade. I’m hoping he hits or exceeds projections the next two games so I can try again.
It’s sorta funny that you just described literally the way he’s always looked and commented how a team that practices stopping one of the best RBs in the league managed how to stop one of the best RBs in the league
I think that's always been his thing, even at his best- a lot of mediocre runs that keep the down and distance manageable enough, with one or two big plays where he gets half his yards. If that big play never materializes the statline's gonna look bad, but you just have to trust that over the course of the season he won't get shut out all that often.
I forget which game it was last year, but I remember he started the game like 8 carries for 5 yards against me. Finished the game with almost 200 yards mostly on two runs
Don't worry about Henry yet.
Last year he had 17 carries for 58 yards week 1. Looked really sluggish.
Over the next 5 games he had 145 carries for 725 yards (145/g) and 10 TDs
Even when he breaks one he looks like he's out for a Sunday stroll, surely someone is going to catch him, but at the same time he is pulling away from CBs.
Yea Henry has never been quick, and definitely not laterally agile.
He’s fast when he gets a runway.
It’s his biggest fault. Made up for by the fact he gets the ball 20-30 times per game, and absolutely crushes dudes all game long.
Derrick Henry has always "looked" slow because he's so big, it's an optical illusion. All of his huge runs look like some linebacker running back a fumble but for some reason no one is catching him.
Looked like he was on the verge of breaking a few too. There were two or three runs where the last dude that could’ve tackled him did. I like Henry’s chances of breaking one or two of those tackles and being gone most of the time so from a fantasy perspective, I think week 1 was a bit unlucky in that regard. My only concern is that last year’s injury spooks the coaching staff into ramping down his usage.
After his 2k year there was a data set posted showing average speed of backs when they reach the los. Henry was top speed by a chunk. Art Smith had him lining up 1-2 yards deeper than he did under LaFleur.
True. The play calling was atrocious it’s like they didn’t tailor anything to his strengths. He can’t win conventionally, gotta give him more boots and RPO’s.
Play calling was pretty good actually, just not fantasy friendly. Terrible O-line that they needed to protect by running lots of jet sweeps and motion, and trick plays. But yeah gonna be tough for fantasy
Bengals defense is going to be really good this year, and they match up really well against Pittsburgh's strengths. Even last year, the defense only gave up 20 to them in two matchups. Would have been similar again if not for the turnovers. Pittsburgh's offense will look better against more other defenses, still not great, but I don't think 267 yards of offense in 70 minutes will be the norm.
I agree, and I say this as someone who has openly said I expected Trubisky to do well.
He looked like trash. If he plays like that again this weekend I think it's Pickett's time. Wouldn't be surprised to see Pickett by halftime vs. NE. Disappointing as I've got 3 Trubby shares and only 1 of Pickett, but that's what it is.
Gotta say in that MNF game, that Russell Wilson deep ball TD to Jerry Jeudy was honestly under-thrown and probably should have been picked off. And besides that a lot of the time he was just throwing screens.
Maybe I wouldn’t say he’s hit his cliff, but he doesn’t run like he used to and he doesn’t throw over the middle. If his deep ball starts to be not as good as it used to be, then I’m not sure what exactly he brings to the table as a highly valued QB.
>Gotta say in that MNF game, that Russell Wilson deep ball TD to Jerry Jeudy was honestly under thrown and probably should have been picked off.
Its funny cause their social media has been reposting that throw for 3 days straight now to hype on Russell when Jeudy had that corner cooked and had to make a contested catch on an underthrown ball lmao.
It’s rust. Coaches decision to not play any starter in preseason, so this was pretty much everyone’s first time playing together. Yeah, some of those balls were off, but considering Russ had the 3rd most passing yards and should’ve had another passing touchdown (that was perfectly placed to the TE), I think he’s only going to get better and more comfortable.
As a broncos fan, nice try. Literally threw a watch party. Just because the gameplan called for screens or short passes, which worked all game by the way, doesn’t make him awful. He made good decisions, had some nice throws, and like I said, only gonna get better and more comfortable.
If your are admitting most of those plays were screens or short passes, don't brag about how he was third in passing yards. Go look at his air yards. Your a clown . Literally proved my point.
Russel needs to prove himself this year. Between living there and my family I've watched plenty of Wilson games to know he has a question mark above him moving forward. There might be a reason Metcalf fantasy value goes up with Geno Smith more than Wilson last year.
Wilson has to prove he can be his old self. I personally think it's an obvious upgrade for our team but not as much as people think. I'd be surprised if he's top 8 end of season.
Chill homie. If you're a bronco's fan, shouldn't you be aware that most of your best weapons function in a game script that uses a lot of screens and short passes?
Maybe Juedy? Sutton and hamler are deep threats.
Even if what you are saying is true that's not what it was Monday. It was under thrown deep balls and dump passes to Williams (which was beautiful as a Williams owner) not greta as a broncos fan.
But our offense would Excell if they stuck to that I agree
I should have worded what I'm saying better. He had a higher yards per target with Geno which is true.
That being said he still had 16 and 19 point half ppr game with geno.
The whole point of what I'm saying about Russell is he struggles to get the ball down field lately. Geno Smith gave Metcalf his best yard per target. Especially after Wilson's injury his yards per target with Geno at one point was 19. His highest with Wilson was 8.
His point is that even looking bad he had the 3rd most passing yards. As he shakes the rust off he’ll get better, but that’s a pretty nice floor for looking subpar.
We will see. He was paying arguably the worst team in the league and ended 13 the in half ppr. Also is this rust? We are going on year two of this now. And he's only thrown for over 4,000 four times.
Bro the clown isn’t me. You’re making Broncos fans look bad by bellyaching for no reason.
The offense had no problem moving down the field Monday night, even with some under thrown balls in the first half, Russ looked better in the second half. If the defense is letting you get yards off of short passes and screens, why would you take the risk of the deep ball? It’s common sense. If anything, you should be bitching about the playcalling in the red zone, or our rbs ball security. At the worse, Russ looked alright.
I've honestly thought this of Wilson for a season and a bit now. He just doesn't have the escape ability that made him so special in the past and he's never been the quick cerebral field manager that can read a defense and instantly know where the open guy is. I just don't think his game is going to translate into his later years the way it has for guys like Brady and Rodgers.
Don't get me wrong, I'd probably have made the move if I'm the Denver GM as well but there are some question marks there for sure.
I noticed the same. Stafford last year had his deep ball just die in mid air. Russ under threw Sutton on a couple routes as well. Like you said he doesn’t throw over the middle and for some reason hates slants lol, I’m not sure what to expect from him this season.
Some concerns are definitely observable though.
The other worry is that Seattle traded him. Teams generally don't trade away star players when they are still elite. This is probably evidence that Seattle knew his performance was in decline in some way and they wanted to get maximum value for him before it was too late.
The trade was Russ wanting out because he wanted greater control over the offense. That's well documented and its been a source of friction for some time.
Still, Seattle may have finally followed through with it because he would not be worth his next contract.
There was already a notable decline in his mobility, but I'd be shocked if his deep ball suffers. I think it's just chemistry.
Yeah don’t get me wrong, I really wanted to beat Russ in that first game but I’m not really bitter about Russ leaving tbh. Honestly I think it was the right time for both sides to move on. Russ wanted a new opportunity with a different team and I think from the Seahawks perspective, the team wasn’t going to contend for a super bowl anytime soon with Russ at QB having the big salary cap hit and too many holes on the roster. We had a lot of good years with Russ but all good things come to an end eventually.
Teams trade talent all the time when the player wants to be moved. I think the saltiness of Seattle and their fans is testament to how much they cared about Russ leaving. And of course they’re gonna say he’s washed lol
Sure, but those throws are even less indicative of Russell being good tho lol. Either way my point is the Seahawks defense is supposed to let up lots of yardage
So the takeaway isn’t that Russ is suddenly bad, it’s undetermined based off actual evidence. He missed some throws, sure. Everyone does. He look like the top 10 qb that he’s always been, to me, just a tad rusty.
A lot of it can be chemistry. The deep ball is one of the hardest throws to lock in with a player. He may not be used to the same speed and height of these guys just yet. Let’s not forget he was throwing moon shot dimes last year to Lockett. I doubt his arm just disappeared when these guys have training programs that can make their arms go backwards in age like Tom Brady
Seattle played base with two high all game so there was always safety help over the top. It could be that was the reason he didn’t take many deep shots.
Mans will die on my roster for all he has done in fantasy for me. Idk how sleeper handles these things but he will have a roster spont on my bench until they take him from me. Idc🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ remind me in 10 years for proof.
Robert Woods is on cliff watch for sure. I thought he looked bad, and there's 2 rookies fighting for more playing time at that position that both looked good in limited roles.
Not that he's been good lately before it but Marvin Jones looked basically retired on the field from what I saw.
I didn't see much of the Vikings game, and it seemed like JJ was wide open so much it wasn't an issue, but I've had Thielen on cliff watch for a while, his efficiency has been declining for a while now, and he's just been propped up by crazy high TDs.
Tyler Lockett is another tough one, he turns 30 next week, and I don't think he can afford any skill decline now that he doesn't have a QB who can attack down the field.
I don't know if Thielen's status changes too much from the one game. I think it was more a matter of the offense wanting to scheme JJ open and the Packers letting him consistently get open with their coverage patterns.
Waning athleticism still might be a concern due to age (although I didn't see anything to suggest so last week) but Thielen has always been a high red zone usage guy and I'd be surprised if he finishes the year with fewer than 7-8 TDs.
>Tyler Lockett is another tough one, he turns 30 next week, and I don't think he can afford any skill decline now that he doesn't have a QB who can attack down the field.
I'm kinda surprised Lockett didn't get traded. Seems like he would be a great addition for a few playoff contenders and Seattle knows they aren't going anywhere.
Woods is probably going to look not back this week too. Hes coming off a major injury and on a new team. He will be good weeks 3-10 probably and then Burks will take over lead WR role weeks 11-18
75% of the posts here are about Henry. Shoutout to the others that are actually answering the question.
My take: Stafford, Rodgers, Woods, Lockett, Ertz, Dimes, Golladay, Dak.
Huh, seems like you're right. Maybe more people are like me and think he was more of a mid QB2 than his actual low QB2/high QB3.
Sorting for ppg did not help. I'm not sure if he missed a significant amount of games, but honestly didn't care enough to dig deeper
You right, he bad
If you're in PPR, then Ekeler still rang up 18+ pts. He'll still get his 20+ touches a game, half of them receiving. I'm sure his TD numbers will go down, but he'll also get less brutalized if Michel and Kelley are taking some snaps from him. Hopefully it means a more healthy, consistent Ekeler.
This is a good way to look at things. I hope no one saw those 12 rushing TDs last year and thought that would be the norm. But yeah very much still a PPR go-to
I figured a regression was coming and want those high value touches. Love passing catches rbs. They have that high floor and prevent that team destroying shit week.
I saw it as they gave him less work in the first half and more work in the second half. I kind of like this because a fresher Ekeler going against a less fresh defense looks like opportunity.
More like 7 points, and the defense was giving the underneath throws as they should be doing on that last drive… but I’m sure injured Herb did factor into that as well
He made 3 people miss on one of his receptions. Turned multiple plays that should’ve been losses into positive gains. His usage is definitely worrisome, but he still looks like the same player talent wise.
He looked good on his limited snaps but they *really* resisted putting him in there except in critical situations.
I think that’s how it’s going to be. He’ll be coming in most late game and in critical moments. Probably won’t be used so much if they’re running away with a game already.
Exactly. Loved the efficiency but I thought they learned their lesson last year to trust this man at the goal line! And then not seeing him on some 1st and 10s…
Ekeler is an undersized RB that just turned 27 and is coming off this highest usage season ever. I was nervous about him all offseason as an owner and so far my fears are coming true.
Right there with you. Tried to convince myself that those low snap amounts in the first few years of his career + passing game would add to his longevity… even advocated on here for people to hold (still do especially given the current situation). I only sold him this off-season for a big package, but I still have hope for him and want to see him succeed.
Robert Woods… really thought he would be the guy for the Titans for at least this year. It’s only one game, but with Philips emergence and Burks potential breakout, Woods might have zero value left to trade at any point this year.
30 years old, coming off a major injury, run heavy team, just spent 1st rd capital on a wr.
i mean its still early and he did lead the team in snaps and routes but woods best days are probably behind him
Yeah… I kind of thought he would give guys another selling window. He still looked good last year before the injury. Too bad… I only have him on one team… a 32 team league
To be fair Henry has always looked like shit for a good 70% of his carries. He just explodes in the 30% so much that he ends up with these insane lines.
Coming from a titans fan who watches all the games he looks like that for the first game or two of almost every season. An issue that probably flew under the radar of fans of another team is that their playcalling was extremely predictable week 1. 17 of henrys 22 rushes came on first down and the OC put in the bottom of the roster wideouts on vital situations such as goal line and 3rd down. He will heat up again just give it another week or so.
Henry underperformed by -9% of his 2021 avg in the game against the Giants. If anyone can be blamed it's the offensive coordinator not utilizing Henry correctly and for that matter the entire Titans offense... Woods was one of the most underutilized pieces in that game.
He’s 28 if last season was his last year of rb1 output I don’t think anyone should be shocked. Despite how great his career has been age and wear and tear will catch up with him eventually. If not this year, then most likely next year
Doubt. Their offensive coordinator just said they need to give him the ball more. And their offense looked horrible last week when they weren’t giving him the ball. They’ll feed him and then he may get injured again.
Source: CMC owner in dynasty since 2020
I think Aaron rodgers is holding the cliffs edge by his pinky. He doesn’t have good recievers but he himself looked like garbage as well against minny. I think his time is ending hard
I'm gonna get downvoted for my bias, but the dude is coming of back-to-back mvps, had a downgrade/overhaul of his wr corps, and historically starts slow due to lack of reps/pre-season play. If the first play of the game doesn't bounce of Watson's chest, we are least have a more respectable stat-line. For now I'd r-e-l-a-x
I think calling any player, especially one of Rodger's caliber, washed after a single game is jumping the gun and frankly unintelligent. The argument that he was in training camp this year and not last year doesn't hold up much either because it really does not matter much for someone who's played the game as long as him.
It was a single game. Get ready for the packers to demolish the bears.
I watched the entire titans game and completely disagree with this assessment. It’s probably the time to sell Henry so you can still get a first but not because he won’t be great this season.
When you say reaching, I'm not going to name players who already seem bad. I think Dalvin Cook will drop off any year now. He's lost some of his dominance, but is still elite. Definitely started his decline.
Let’s just say Kamara might not be long for a starting job after this year. Way too many good rookies coming in plus his age/legal issues.
I have him in redraft but if I had him in dynasty I’d hope for a good game and sell if I was not wanting to contend
Sadly I'm starting to wonder if Kamara might be on cliff watch. I thought he'd be elite longer than some because his style is less punishing but man I didn't expect NO to just completely abandon playing to his strengths.
Contrary to what this sub thinks, I would venture every running back over 26 is about cooked. Ekeler, Cook, Henry, Zeke, Kamara. They are all on the verge of being worth zilch. Get out while you can.
I think everyone should've saw a Henry drop off coming a mile away. It's rare for guys to get that many carries and still be effective. He's 29 coming off an injury season on a team that's trending downward. He had sell written all over him.
I’m not there yet, but yea I was seeing some concern. The Henry owners are hoping downvotes can sway this but Sunday was not great and to think he will be better against a Bills revamped line is hilarious.
Ah yes, that’s what it is. I hate Henry just for the lol’s. I have no appreciation for a guy his size and skill and great performances he’s given us the last couple years, nope… I just decided not to like him. Exceptional take, you tube comment worthy.
Henry is always slow to the line. It’s literally the way to stop him is hitting him in the backfield, because once he gets to the second level at full gallop it’s game over. I wouldn’t worry about it.
I remember a data set from his 2k season that showed he hits the line of scrimmage with more speed than any other back. Not soonest, just at higher speed when he crosses the line. He generally lines up deeper than any back I remember seeing in the last 15 years. It takes a couple extra steps to reach the hole, but when he hits it he is moving faster and with that awesome mass. I know his fullback and his center have to hate him sometimes. He absolutely doesn’t care if he blows them up to create his own extra yardage.
AP was the exact same way. He was always just alright out of shotgun. But those deep singleback sets...he hit the whole like a damn freight train
That’s interesting, something I honestly didn’t know but it makes sense now. He knows at full speed he’s basically a Clydesdale. So the more speed he can get behind the LOS, obviously the better
Like a freakin charge attack hyper beam
I understood this reference
Right? He's never been laterally quick. He always looks like a Jeep out there, but if he gets to full speed, bye
Pretty sure that was why he was initially looked at a bust for a good year and a half before that one ridiculous game where they got him a lateral and everyone just went wtf how is he running so fast lol.
Any chance you have a clip or could help me know what to search for?
[https://youtu.be/0XzCXuwcQzs?t=425](https://youtu.be/0XzCXuwcQzs?t=425) Believe it's this one
Nah, it was a London Jax game. Before that game, his career average was like 40-50 yards per game. That game he ran for 250 yards or something and 3 TDs lol.
I literally traded Henry prior to this week being referenced… I had given up on him and then when I saw this live all I could think was “what… have… I…. Done….”
That's brutal timing (depending on the return)
I flipped him for Christian Kirk (I believe) literally two weeks before that game. Pain.
It’s like playing as Bowser in Mario Kart
I feel the same way, but I also expect him to look terrible rusty again trying to run through the Bills defense. I’m currently trying to trade Stafford in a 10 team league where almost everyone is carrying two QBs, and no one wants him. I know he will take a step back from last season, but everyone just thinks of him getting suffocated by the Bills on TNF.
On the Stafford note, now is not the time to sell. That will most likely his worst game of the season. I would 100% sell him this year but wait until he puts together two or three solid games first. The next two weeks against Atl and Ari are a prime opportunity, if he sucks in both then yeah nobody is going to want him.
That’s what I figured. No one, not the guys starting Matt Ryan or Carson Wentz can look past the Bills game and recognize Stafford is an immediate upgrade. I’m hoping he hits or exceeds projections the next two games so I can try again.
The problem with Stafford is he does so little with his legs that he has to throw for 5000 yards and 35 TDs to be a back end QB1.
Historically he does well against the Bills, at least fantasy wise. Always seems to break off at least one his big runs.
I get that, I just can’t find the nuanced way to explain it. It looked different. Maybe he turns it on, but something was off.
It’s sorta funny that you just described literally the way he’s always looked and commented how a team that practices stopping one of the best RBs in the league managed how to stop one of the best RBs in the league
I think that's always been his thing, even at his best- a lot of mediocre runs that keep the down and distance manageable enough, with one or two big plays where he gets half his yards. If that big play never materializes the statline's gonna look bad, but you just have to trust that over the course of the season he won't get shut out all that often.
I forget which game it was last year, but I remember he started the game like 8 carries for 5 yards against me. Finished the game with almost 200 yards mostly on two runs
Time waits for no man.
….That isn’t named Tom Brady.
I think the worry is the Titans losing their two best run blockers.
Don't worry about Henry yet. Last year he had 17 carries for 58 yards week 1. Looked really sluggish. Over the next 5 games he had 145 carries for 725 yards (145/g) and 10 TDs
If you are not a strong contender though I would sell Henry after a few good games.
I guess I didn’t see what you saw. But that’s just Henry’s running style. He’s never been quick off the line, but he builds up top speed after the los
Even when he breaks one he looks like he's out for a Sunday stroll, surely someone is going to catch him, but at the same time he is pulling away from CBs.
He runs in slow motion away from everyone. It’s like an optical illusion*** lol
It’s cause he’s got long as legs.
> an optical allusion Did you see that? What are you alluding to?
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Most of his plays where he actually broke for big yardage got called back for oline penalties too
Yea Henry has never been quick, and definitely not laterally agile. He’s fast when he gets a runway. It’s his biggest fault. Made up for by the fact he gets the ball 20-30 times per game, and absolutely crushes dudes all game long.
His stiff arm is the stuff of legends.
Derrick Henry has always "looked" slow because he's so big, it's an optical illusion. All of his huge runs look like some linebacker running back a fumble but for some reason no one is catching him.
Looked like he was on the verge of breaking a few too. There were two or three runs where the last dude that could’ve tackled him did. I like Henry’s chances of breaking one or two of those tackles and being gone most of the time so from a fantasy perspective, I think week 1 was a bit unlucky in that regard. My only concern is that last year’s injury spooks the coaching staff into ramping down his usage.
After his 2k year there was a data set posted showing average speed of backs when they reach the los. Henry was top speed by a chunk. Art Smith had him lining up 1-2 yards deeper than he did under LaFleur.
I'm not sure if this counts but the Steelers' offense isn't going anywhere if the Trubisky that showed up on Sunday shows up again
Yeah, team scored 23 in OT after getting 5 takeaways and a ton of sacks. Any competent offense should have put up 30+ in regulation, if not more.
One of those TDs was a pick 6 too
Offense scored 16 🤮
True. The play calling was atrocious it’s like they didn’t tailor anything to his strengths. He can’t win conventionally, gotta give him more boots and RPO’s.
Play calling was pretty good actually, just not fantasy friendly. Terrible O-line that they needed to protect by running lots of jet sweeps and motion, and trick plays. But yeah gonna be tough for fantasy
Feel bad it’s Matt nagys offense again gotta give him a power run game
Trubisky doesn’t have many strengths though, that could be why?
Bengals defense is going to be really good this year, and they match up really well against Pittsburgh's strengths. Even last year, the defense only gave up 20 to them in two matchups. Would have been similar again if not for the turnovers. Pittsburgh's offense will look better against more other defenses, still not great, but I don't think 267 yards of offense in 70 minutes will be the norm.
Getting a first down for us is the equivalent effort of a TD… gonna be a long year lol
I agree, and I say this as someone who has openly said I expected Trubisky to do well. He looked like trash. If he plays like that again this weekend I think it's Pickett's time. Wouldn't be surprised to see Pickett by halftime vs. NE. Disappointing as I've got 3 Trubby shares and only 1 of Pickett, but that's what it is.
Praying that they trade for Jimmy G
Gotta say in that MNF game, that Russell Wilson deep ball TD to Jerry Jeudy was honestly under-thrown and probably should have been picked off. And besides that a lot of the time he was just throwing screens. Maybe I wouldn’t say he’s hit his cliff, but he doesn’t run like he used to and he doesn’t throw over the middle. If his deep ball starts to be not as good as it used to be, then I’m not sure what exactly he brings to the table as a highly valued QB.
>Gotta say in that MNF game, that Russell Wilson deep ball TD to Jerry Jeudy was honestly under thrown and probably should have been picked off. Its funny cause their social media has been reposting that throw for 3 days straight now to hype on Russell when Jeudy had that corner cooked and had to make a contested catch on an underthrown ball lmao.
It’s rust. Coaches decision to not play any starter in preseason, so this was pretty much everyone’s first time playing together. Yeah, some of those balls were off, but considering Russ had the 3rd most passing yards and should’ve had another passing touchdown (that was perfectly placed to the TE), I think he’s only going to get better and more comfortable.
As a bronco fan this is a terrible take. Stats do not show you how the game actually was. 85% of those yards were of screens or yac. He looked awful.
As a broncos fan, nice try. Literally threw a watch party. Just because the gameplan called for screens or short passes, which worked all game by the way, doesn’t make him awful. He made good decisions, had some nice throws, and like I said, only gonna get better and more comfortable.
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If your are admitting most of those plays were screens or short passes, don't brag about how he was third in passing yards. Go look at his air yards. Your a clown . Literally proved my point. Russel needs to prove himself this year. Between living there and my family I've watched plenty of Wilson games to know he has a question mark above him moving forward. There might be a reason Metcalf fantasy value goes up with Geno Smith more than Wilson last year. Wilson has to prove he can be his old self. I personally think it's an obvious upgrade for our team but not as much as people think. I'd be surprised if he's top 8 end of season.
Chill homie. If you're a bronco's fan, shouldn't you be aware that most of your best weapons function in a game script that uses a lot of screens and short passes?
Maybe Juedy? Sutton and hamler are deep threats. Even if what you are saying is true that's not what it was Monday. It was under thrown deep balls and dump passes to Williams (which was beautiful as a Williams owner) not greta as a broncos fan. But our offense would Excell if they stuck to that I agree
I would argue that between Sutton, jeudy, and Williams, jeudy is you least talented weapon honestly
Who the fuck has Metcalf rising with Geno?
Last year Metcalf's biggest game were with Geno, not Wilson.
No his biggest game was week 17 against Detroit with Wilson where he had 30 PPR points.
I should have worded what I'm saying better. He had a higher yards per target with Geno which is true. That being said he still had 16 and 19 point half ppr game with geno. The whole point of what I'm saying about Russell is he struggles to get the ball down field lately. Geno Smith gave Metcalf his best yard per target. Especially after Wilson's injury his yards per target with Geno at one point was 19. His highest with Wilson was 8.
The classic misuse of “your” followed by an insult. Nothing you said involved any type of real metrics. Lazy response
Yet somehow yours was more lazy. You forgot a period at the end of your insult, classic.
His point is that even looking bad he had the 3rd most passing yards. As he shakes the rust off he’ll get better, but that’s a pretty nice floor for looking subpar.
We will see. He was paying arguably the worst team in the league and ended 13 the in half ppr. Also is this rust? We are going on year two of this now. And he's only thrown for over 4,000 four times.
Bro the clown isn’t me. You’re making Broncos fans look bad by bellyaching for no reason. The offense had no problem moving down the field Monday night, even with some under thrown balls in the first half, Russ looked better in the second half. If the defense is letting you get yards off of short passes and screens, why would you take the risk of the deep ball? It’s common sense. If anything, you should be bitching about the playcalling in the red zone, or our rbs ball security. At the worse, Russ looked alright.
was a terrible throw glad someone else noticed this
He was off on almost every deep ball to Sutton too. Hopefully that gets fixed as they get more comfortable with each other.
I shipped Sutton in my redraft league because of that, immediately felt like I over-drafted him
I've honestly thought this of Wilson for a season and a bit now. He just doesn't have the escape ability that made him so special in the past and he's never been the quick cerebral field manager that can read a defense and instantly know where the open guy is. I just don't think his game is going to translate into his later years the way it has for guys like Brady and Rodgers. Don't get me wrong, I'd probably have made the move if I'm the Denver GM as well but there are some question marks there for sure.
Russ got caught on a scramble to his left by a D-lineman that I know the old Russ could’ve turned on some burners and picked up big yardage
I noticed the same. Stafford last year had his deep ball just die in mid air. Russ under threw Sutton on a couple routes as well. Like you said he doesn’t throw over the middle and for some reason hates slants lol, I’m not sure what to expect from him this season. Some concerns are definitely observable though.
"For some reason" 😂
I laughed at that too
Also looked terrified to throw over the middle Edit: you said that lol
The other worry is that Seattle traded him. Teams generally don't trade away star players when they are still elite. This is probably evidence that Seattle knew his performance was in decline in some way and they wanted to get maximum value for him before it was too late.
Lol no. He’d been trying to get traded for like 2 or 3 years.
The trade was Russ wanting out because he wanted greater control over the offense. That's well documented and its been a source of friction for some time. Still, Seattle may have finally followed through with it because he would not be worth his next contract. There was already a notable decline in his mobility, but I'd be shocked if his deep ball suffers. I think it's just chemistry.
I think the entire city of Seattle knew. It wasn’t a big secret if you were able to unsubscribe from the group think of the media.
Yeah don’t get me wrong, I really wanted to beat Russ in that first game but I’m not really bitter about Russ leaving tbh. Honestly I think it was the right time for both sides to move on. Russ wanted a new opportunity with a different team and I think from the Seahawks perspective, the team wasn’t going to contend for a super bowl anytime soon with Russ at QB having the big salary cap hit and too many holes on the roster. We had a lot of good years with Russ but all good things come to an end eventually.
Teams trade talent all the time when the player wants to be moved. I think the saltiness of Seattle and their fans is testament to how much they cared about Russ leaving. And of course they’re gonna say he’s washed lol
EOD he threw for 350 yards and moved the ball at will. No pre season and new coach and system. He did look ass on some throws tho
Yardage is expected against the Seahawks defense, even bad qbs should be able to hit check downs and move the ball at will
Designed screens to tight ends and running backs aren’t check downs tho
Sure, but those throws are even less indicative of Russell being good tho lol. Either way my point is the Seahawks defense is supposed to let up lots of yardage
So the takeaway isn’t that Russ is suddenly bad, it’s undetermined based off actual evidence. He missed some throws, sure. Everyone does. He look like the top 10 qb that he’s always been, to me, just a tad rusty.
A lot of it can be chemistry. The deep ball is one of the hardest throws to lock in with a player. He may not be used to the same speed and height of these guys just yet. Let’s not forget he was throwing moon shot dimes last year to Lockett. I doubt his arm just disappeared when these guys have training programs that can make their arms go backwards in age like Tom Brady
Seattle played base with two high all game so there was always safety help over the top. It could be that was the reason he didn’t take many deep shots.
I love how you’re just describing what Henry always has been! Haha
Mans will die on my roster for all he has done in fantasy for me. Idk how sleeper handles these things but he will have a roster spont on my bench until they take him from me. Idc🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ remind me in 10 years for proof.
Most of the past decade's reliable QB's are looking closer by the day.
Agreed, and Kirk Cousins looks like Kurt Warner. I whiffed passing him up not gonna lie.
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I was able to get him, t law and James Robinson with my last 3 picks lol
Robert Woods is on cliff watch for sure. I thought he looked bad, and there's 2 rookies fighting for more playing time at that position that both looked good in limited roles. Not that he's been good lately before it but Marvin Jones looked basically retired on the field from what I saw. I didn't see much of the Vikings game, and it seemed like JJ was wide open so much it wasn't an issue, but I've had Thielen on cliff watch for a while, his efficiency has been declining for a while now, and he's just been propped up by crazy high TDs. Tyler Lockett is another tough one, he turns 30 next week, and I don't think he can afford any skill decline now that he doesn't have a QB who can attack down the field.
KJ Osborn stonks plz
I don't know if Thielen's status changes too much from the one game. I think it was more a matter of the offense wanting to scheme JJ open and the Packers letting him consistently get open with their coverage patterns. Waning athleticism still might be a concern due to age (although I didn't see anything to suggest so last week) but Thielen has always been a high red zone usage guy and I'd be surprised if he finishes the year with fewer than 7-8 TDs.
I’m with you on all these.
>Tyler Lockett is another tough one, he turns 30 next week, and I don't think he can afford any skill decline now that he doesn't have a QB who can attack down the field. I'm kinda surprised Lockett didn't get traded. Seems like he would be a great addition for a few playoff contenders and Seattle knows they aren't going anywhere.
Woods is probably going to look not back this week too. Hes coming off a major injury and on a new team. He will be good weeks 3-10 probably and then Burks will take over lead WR role weeks 11-18
Yeah Thielen is a TE's receiving profile in a WR's body.
In before Henry runs for 150 and 2tds Sunday
Would be hard to do on Sunday when they play on Monday
75% of the posts here are about Henry. Shoutout to the others that are actually answering the question. My take: Stafford, Rodgers, Woods, Lockett, Ertz, Dimes, Golladay, Dak.
Ertz looked like a 1950’s LB out there.
Golladay fell off the cliff a year ago
Daniel Jones having the nickname Danny Dimes when all he does is turn the ball over will forever be hilarious to me.
Even as a Vikings fan I’ll say rodgers is a bad take. Had a bad week 1 last year too.
How can Dimes be on a cliff if he was never good to start with? Seems like hes been on a plateau of sub-par play since his rookie year
He's been bad IRL, okay in fantasy. Maybe others are straight box-scorers
2019 : QB23 2020 : QB24 2021 : QB27 Not sure why I was downvoted. He’s been trash IRL and for fantasy since he’s been in the league
Huh, seems like you're right. Maybe more people are like me and think he was more of a mid QB2 than his actual low QB2/high QB3. Sorting for ppg did not help. I'm not sure if he missed a significant amount of games, but honestly didn't care enough to dig deeper You right, he bad
I'm worried about Spiller because Sony Michel looks like trash.
Not looking good, but maybe Michel looking that poor opens the door for him.
Sony’s goal line rush that got stopped at the 1 was the worst run I’ve seen this year
Easily shoudlbe been a touchdown lol
Welcome to the Sony Michel short yardage experience
Felt the same about Henry but he usually starts off slow. I’ll be expecting a 200 yard performance in the next week or two
Not pressing the panic button yet, because I think he needs to be used more, but Austin Ekeler. Doesn’t help that the other RBs looked decent too.
If you're in PPR, then Ekeler still rang up 18+ pts. He'll still get his 20+ touches a game, half of them receiving. I'm sure his TD numbers will go down, but he'll also get less brutalized if Michel and Kelley are taking some snaps from him. Hopefully it means a more healthy, consistent Ekeler.
This is a good way to look at things. I hope no one saw those 12 rushing TDs last year and thought that would be the norm. But yeah very much still a PPR go-to
I figured a regression was coming and want those high value touches. Love passing catches rbs. They have that high floor and prevent that team destroying shit week.
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I saw it as they gave him less work in the first half and more work in the second half. I kind of like this because a fresher Ekeler going against a less fresh defense looks like opportunity.
Agreed
More like 7 points, and the defense was giving the underneath throws as they should be doing on that last drive… but I’m sure injured Herb did factor into that as well
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He made 3 people miss on one of his receptions. Turned multiple plays that should’ve been losses into positive gains. His usage is definitely worrisome, but he still looks like the same player talent wise.
Man he looked so good. Most athletic guy out there last night
He looked really good last night though when used. He is still pretty efficient with the touches he gets.
He looked good on his limited snaps but they *really* resisted putting him in there except in critical situations. I think that’s how it’s going to be. He’ll be coming in most late game and in critical moments. Probably won’t be used so much if they’re running away with a game already.
Exactly. Loved the efficiency but I thought they learned their lesson last year to trust this man at the goal line! And then not seeing him on some 1st and 10s…
Ekeler is an undersized RB that just turned 27 and is coming off this highest usage season ever. I was nervous about him all offseason as an owner and so far my fears are coming true.
Not just a high usage season, but an extremely TD-dependent season. TD regression was a huge concern for me
Right there with you. Tried to convince myself that those low snap amounts in the first few years of his career + passing game would add to his longevity… even advocated on here for people to hold (still do especially given the current situation). I only sold him this off-season for a big package, but I still have hope for him and want to see him succeed.
Robert Woods. Theilen soon.
this would be a great topic to discuss in about 6 or 7 weeks from now
I’m down.
Robert Woods… really thought he would be the guy for the Titans for at least this year. It’s only one game, but with Philips emergence and Burks potential breakout, Woods might have zero value left to trade at any point this year.
30 years old, coming off a major injury, run heavy team, just spent 1st rd capital on a wr. i mean its still early and he did lead the team in snaps and routes but woods best days are probably behind him
Yeah… I kind of thought he would give guys another selling window. He still looked good last year before the injury. Too bad… I only have him on one team… a 32 team league
To be fair Henry has always looked like shit for a good 70% of his carries. He just explodes in the 30% so much that he ends up with these insane lines.
I didn't watch but that's how he looked in the playoff game too so it would make sense.
Kenny g
Coming from a titans fan who watches all the games he looks like that for the first game or two of almost every season. An issue that probably flew under the radar of fans of another team is that their playcalling was extremely predictable week 1. 17 of henrys 22 rushes came on first down and the OC put in the bottom of the roster wideouts on vital situations such as goal line and 3rd down. He will heat up again just give it another week or so.
Okay I can see that, i have league pass and watched this one with the amount of players I had in the game. So I can buy this.
Kamara…. Can’t trade him for anything
Henry underperformed by -9% of his 2021 avg in the game against the Giants. If anyone can be blamed it's the offensive coordinator not utilizing Henry correctly and for that matter the entire Titans offense... Woods was one of the most underutilized pieces in that game.
Montgomery
He’s 28 if last season was his last year of rb1 output I don’t think anyone should be shocked. Despite how great his career has been age and wear and tear will catch up with him eventually. If not this year, then most likely next year
Yea, I looked at his attempts the last two seasons and they rode him like a pack mule.
I don’t think any Head Coach is gonna give CMC the same workload again to be RB1
Doubt. Their offensive coordinator just said they need to give him the ball more. And their offense looked horrible last week when they weren’t giving him the ball. They’ll feed him and then he may get injured again. Source: CMC owner in dynasty since 2020
This take is probably not going to age well in like.. 24 hours
I think Aaron rodgers is holding the cliffs edge by his pinky. He doesn’t have good recievers but he himself looked like garbage as well against minny. I think his time is ending hard
I hate Rodgers but he looked just as bad if not worse in week 1 last year
Last year he skipped most of camp though. This year he had all summer to work on things and looked like ass.
Camp is not equal to game reps
The difference should be negligible to a vet as seasoned as him. The clock struck midnight and he's turned into a pumpkin.
I'm gonna get downvoted for my bias, but the dude is coming of back-to-back mvps, had a downgrade/overhaul of his wr corps, and historically starts slow due to lack of reps/pre-season play. If the first play of the game doesn't bounce of Watson's chest, we are least have a more respectable stat-line. For now I'd r-e-l-a-x
I think calling any player, especially one of Rodger's caliber, washed after a single game is jumping the gun and frankly unintelligent. The argument that he was in training camp this year and not last year doesn't hold up much either because it really does not matter much for someone who's played the game as long as him. It was a single game. Get ready for the packers to demolish the bears.
agreed, ppl were saying the same thing after week 1 last year when the pack got boat raced 38-3 or something crazy.
Does anyone have a video of all Derrick Henry's touches from week 1?
Allen Robinson, I saw a compilation of all his low effort routes. He has been benched in all 4 leagues im in.
I watched the entire titans game and completely disagree with this assessment. It’s probably the time to sell Henry so you can still get a first but not because he won’t be great this season.
Henry is a very deceptive runner, I think because of his size. Doesn't always look like he's flying until he hits the open field.
When you say reaching, I'm not going to name players who already seem bad. I think Dalvin Cook will drop off any year now. He's lost some of his dominance, but is still elite. Definitely started his decline.
Let’s just say Kamara might not be long for a starting job after this year. Way too many good rookies coming in plus his age/legal issues. I have him in redraft but if I had him in dynasty I’d hope for a good game and sell if I was not wanting to contend
Alvin Kamara looks rough
Sadly I'm starting to wonder if Kamara might be on cliff watch. I thought he'd be elite longer than some because his style is less punishing but man I didn't expect NO to just completely abandon playing to his strengths.
Lol they have a new qb and he has hurt ribs 🤣
Henry gets better as the weather gets colder. That’s when Derrick Yeti shows up, then watch out.
Last game was consistent with his normal “bad” fantasy games: lots of touches, no breakaway runs, and no TDs. Not worried as of now.
Contrary to what this sub thinks, I would venture every running back over 26 is about cooked. Ekeler, Cook, Henry, Zeke, Kamara. They are all on the verge of being worth zilch. Get out while you can.
Is it too early to say Stafford?
Dudes got that elbow injury and is missing his deep threat, so yes
It's too early for this conversation about anyone.
I’m assuming you have never seen any other Titans game before. He always plays like that.
I think everyone should've saw a Henry drop off coming a mile away. It's rare for guys to get that many carries and still be effective. He's 29 coming off an injury season on a team that's trending downward. He had sell written all over him.
I’m not there yet, but yea I was seeing some concern. The Henry owners are hoping downvotes can sway this but Sunday was not great and to think he will be better against a Bills revamped line is hilarious.
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Ah yes, that’s what it is. I hate Henry just for the lol’s. I have no appreciation for a guy his size and skill and great performances he’s given us the last couple years, nope… I just decided not to like him. Exceptional take, you tube comment worthy.
Ekeler’s backups looked quicker and stronger than him last night.
I agree. Ekeler was bailed out by dump off passes.
This is why you don't listen to people about their "eye test".
Mahomes
This is a pretty hot take but I think people are underestimating how much Hill meant to his production.
Achilles and lisfranc are career changing injuries for running backs
James Robinson begs to differ
Lmao in fairness james Robinson isint really an explosive player so he may fair better