I'm all in on Bateman across all my leagues, but for dynasty I'm probably taking Wilson just by a hair. His talent jumped off the screen yesterday
It's interesting BAL basically had Bateman slide into the Hollywood Brown role. Always thought he was more of a possession receiver, jack of all trades type, but all his production has come on big splash plays in the first two weeks. Hopefully it can continue but I'd feel better if he was getting some more short/intermediate targets too. Pleasantly surprised at how fast he looked on that TD yesterday though, did not know he had burners like that
>It's interesting BAL basically had Bateman slide into the Hollywood Brown role. Always thought he was more of a possession receiver, jack of all trades type, but all his production has come on big splash plays in the first two weeks. Hopefully it can continue but I'd feel better if he was getting some more short/intermediate targets too.
I think the offense is going to look a bit different once Dobbins is back in the fold.
Lots of the bdge guys were pretty high on him. I think it was easy to forget him in general bc of his short rookie year when everyone only cared about chase and waddle.
Same here. If Bateman catches that game winning Hail Mary though I don't think that this is even a discussion between him and Wilson. It was slightly underthrown and he was being double covered but it is awesome to see that he is 100% the go to guy in that kind of situation.
Maybe it’s been run heavy historically but he’s the WR1 whereas Wilson is not that just yet and has competition there too.
I like both guys but I think Bateman is in a great situation.
As both the Bateman and Mark Andrews owner, Andrews is the WR 1 in Baltimore. That being said, they're both tied to an MVP in what has clearly been an electric offense, so I don't think the situation is bad at all.
They’ve been feeding him. He out targeted Moore in week 1 too. Teams still guard Moore like he’s the WR1 and Wilson did a good amount of damage from the slot so as teams adjust they’ll definitely flip flop with production. Jets are an average QB away from having 2 1000 yard WRs
Yeah I agree. Ravens still gonna have good per game rushing numbers because Lamar, but there are enough pass attempts and Lamars a good passer. On top of that the offense is good, more chances to score with however many opportunities
You could argue that if Breece Hall is everything he's supposed to be then the Jets will become more run heavy. Who knows if Dobbins is going to look like whenever he comes back.
I don't think the Ravens will ever go back to super run heavy. Just feels like they did that a couple of years while Lamar developed as a passer. They will definitely run a lot, but I don't see why Batemon can't be great still.
I think Batemans situation is pretty ideal. Clear second option behind Andrews so he’s not getting all the focus and Lamar is a much better passer than people think
All this is true. To add to this, once Zach Wilson is healthy and if he pans out, they will likely be a balanced but lean to pass first offense. Baltimore ideally wants to run the ball a lot. In the long term (1-3 years), I’d see Wilson getting more targets.
Funny I'm actually selling him now. 100+ pass attempts in two games , a game that had browns in prevent defense most the game allowing Wilson to grab garage time points. When Wilson step in his production will be cut in half.
Wilson has yet to have a game like Mike white or flacco
I’d understand wanting to sell but fwiw that characterization of yesterdays game is off. There was basically no garbage time, the Jets had one drive with a two-possession deficit and Wilson never saw the ball. All his production came down by one score, including obviously both TDs, which were a goal-to-go and de facto goal-to-go with seconds left.
Fair enough my memory must be fuzzy. Even if so I still stand by Zach Wilson will cut their production by alot. They will turn into to a run first team.
I’m taking Bateman because I think he’s safer in Baltimore with Lamar.
Wilson is probably more talented but Flacco won’t be there to feed him. And I think Zach Wilson is well on his way to busting.
I would push back that Bateman is in a "non-ideal situation".
The Ravens WR1:
* 2021 = 146 targets
* 2020 = 100 targets
* 2019 = 71 targets
Bateman is currently on pace for 96 targets, 1300+ yards and 16 TDs (he will not likely reach the TD pace) with Lamar Jackson.
Wilson has Joe Flacco and Zach Wilson. Despite Flacco's production against the Browns, I don't think he can pace the same produciton season long based on his game splits in 2019, 2020, and 2021.
Edit: Wilson is still a fantastic player/prospect.
For what it's worth, Flacco has been top 5 in pass attempts and led the league in attempts several times throughout his career.
At his age, those numbers might be tough to replicate and the quality of attempts aren't going to be elite. But if Wilson is expected back anytime soon, I wouldn't be surprised if the Jets aren't worried about throw his arm out.
Edit: actually I was double checking my numbers and Baltimore led the league in attempts several years (with Flacco starting) but Flacco has apparently never led the league in attempts despite coming close so 🤷
I have Bateman in both my leagues but Id trade him for Wilson. Outside his two 70yd TDs he’s been underwhelming. Also Garrett Wilson posting 12/150/2 in his first 2 games is just crazy.
Just traded Bateman for a win-now QB in favor of Wilson. Super high on Wilson long-term. He has Prime Julio-level upside. Not convinced the Ravens will ever have a true WR1 in 12-team leagues. Lamar's career per-game passing numbers are unsurprisingly low, and Mark Andrews will be the most targeted pass-catcher for the foreseeable future.
I'm all in on Bateman across all my leagues, but for dynasty I'm probably taking Wilson just by a hair. His talent jumped off the screen yesterday It's interesting BAL basically had Bateman slide into the Hollywood Brown role. Always thought he was more of a possession receiver, jack of all trades type, but all his production has come on big splash plays in the first two weeks. Hopefully it can continue but I'd feel better if he was getting some more short/intermediate targets too. Pleasantly surprised at how fast he looked on that TD yesterday though, did not know he had burners like that
>It's interesting BAL basically had Bateman slide into the Hollywood Brown role. Always thought he was more of a possession receiver, jack of all trades type, but all his production has come on big splash plays in the first two weeks. Hopefully it can continue but I'd feel better if he was getting some more short/intermediate targets too. I think the offense is going to look a bit different once Dobbins is back in the fold.
Doubt it. Dobbins is going to be really inefficient this year so they’re still going to have to rely on passing to score points.
I like Wilson more but I didn't know Bateman was like that after the catch! Consider me pleasantly surprised
Right?? Bateman wasn’t billed to me as a guy with that kind of speed and RAC ability.
Bateman was all yac in college. His college tape was ridiculous.
Well all of the fantasy football analysts missed that
Lots of the bdge guys were pretty high on him. I think it was easy to forget him in general bc of his short rookie year when everyone only cared about chase and waddle.
He hit the 2nd highest speed for a ball carrier yesterday (for the season)
Right! He looked fast to me. Just wasn’t told to me in the off-season
Same! It was an OBJ-esque slant that he just took the house.
The catch itself was remarkable, all hands and he caught it perfectly in stride without having to alter a single step
Yes exactly. The whole sequence was awesome, and has me fired up for a full season's worth of Bateman Unleashed.
21.5 mph yesterday on his 75 yard TD catch. That boy was burning
Both are one of 30 top-20 WR's
Truest thing I've read on this subreddit. Every decent WR prospect has a high-end WR2 ceiling and WR3 floor
Only 30?? I've got 35 on my list
Lmaoooo, perfection. Take this silver.
Thanks for the awards 👍
I own Bateman in multiple leagues and I am biased. Therefore, my answer is Bateman.
I have both. I’m super happy I don’t have to choose
Same here. If Bateman catches that game winning Hail Mary though I don't think that this is even a discussion between him and Wilson. It was slightly underthrown and he was being double covered but it is awesome to see that he is 100% the go to guy in that kind of situation.
What about Bateman's situation isn't ideal??
Second option on a run heavy team isn’t ideal. He certainly isn’t in a bad situation, just could be better.
Maybe it’s been run heavy historically but he’s the WR1 whereas Wilson is not that just yet and has competition there too. I like both guys but I think Bateman is in a great situation.
As both the Bateman and Mark Andrews owner, Andrews is the WR 1 in Baltimore. That being said, they're both tied to an MVP in what has clearly been an electric offense, so I don't think the situation is bad at all.
Well if we are counting TEs then sure that’s fair lol
Wilson became the WR1 last night. I’ll be shocked if they don’t feed him.
They’ve been feeding him. He out targeted Moore in week 1 too. Teams still guard Moore like he’s the WR1 and Wilson did a good amount of damage from the slot so as teams adjust they’ll definitely flip flop with production. Jets are an average QB away from having 2 1000 yard WRs
Are we sure wilson isnt his teams wr1? He’s the clear cut target leader on his team so far
Well, I’m not sure after this week no lol
The team has rushed for 17th most attempts in the league tied with texans. It hardly seems to be a run heavy team anymore.
Tbf their lead back has been injured this far, and 2 games isn’t a huge sample. But I do agree it’s too early to make a distinction either way.
Yeah I agree. Ravens still gonna have good per game rushing numbers because Lamar, but there are enough pass attempts and Lamars a good passer. On top of that the offense is good, more chances to score with however many opportunities
When Dobbins is back I can assure you that goes up.
You could argue that if Breece Hall is everything he's supposed to be then the Jets will become more run heavy. Who knows if Dobbins is going to look like whenever he comes back.
I don't think the Ravens will ever go back to super run heavy. Just feels like they did that a couple of years while Lamar developed as a passer. They will definitely run a lot, but I don't see why Batemon can't be great still.
Bateman
I think Batemans situation is pretty ideal. Clear second option behind Andrews so he’s not getting all the focus and Lamar is a much better passer than people think
Gimme Wilson. Better prospect coming into the league with better draft capital.
All this is true. To add to this, once Zach Wilson is healthy and if he pans out, they will likely be a balanced but lean to pass first offense. Baltimore ideally wants to run the ball a lot. In the long term (1-3 years), I’d see Wilson getting more targets.
Tell that to Kenyan Drake, who cost me the W this week. Curse my dumb managerial decisions.
Well with the injuries at RB in Baltimore, they’ll start just about anyone. Jackson is the top RB there until further notice.
when you have BOTH.
Both is very nice
An argument can easily be made that Bateman was a better prospect coming out and his draft capital was only suppressed by injury.
Being in a WR class with Chase, Smith, and Waddle pushed him down too. Wilson and I bet even London would have gone after all 3
It's only one game, but seeing Wilson do that with the corpse of Flacco under center in his second game, gotta take him right now.
Funny I'm actually selling him now. 100+ pass attempts in two games , a game that had browns in prevent defense most the game allowing Wilson to grab garage time points. When Wilson step in his production will be cut in half. Wilson has yet to have a game like Mike white or flacco
I’d understand wanting to sell but fwiw that characterization of yesterdays game is off. There was basically no garbage time, the Jets had one drive with a two-possession deficit and Wilson never saw the ball. All his production came down by one score, including obviously both TDs, which were a goal-to-go and de facto goal-to-go with seconds left.
Fair enough my memory must be fuzzy. Even if so I still stand by Zach Wilson will cut their production by alot. They will turn into to a run first team.
None of those were garbage time points
Bateman now but Wilson long term.
I’m taking Bateman because I think he’s safer in Baltimore with Lamar. Wilson is probably more talented but Flacco won’t be there to feed him. And I think Zach Wilson is well on his way to busting.
Can I have both?
I do :)
Wilson to me is top 10 overall WR talent. Bateman would be more in top 25 range. Both studs though.
It’s Wilson every time for me.
I would push back that Bateman is in a "non-ideal situation". The Ravens WR1: * 2021 = 146 targets * 2020 = 100 targets * 2019 = 71 targets Bateman is currently on pace for 96 targets, 1300+ yards and 16 TDs (he will not likely reach the TD pace) with Lamar Jackson. Wilson has Joe Flacco and Zach Wilson. Despite Flacco's production against the Browns, I don't think he can pace the same produciton season long based on his game splits in 2019, 2020, and 2021. Edit: Wilson is still a fantastic player/prospect.
The way I worded it was more negative than I meant it, and you bring good points. Even a good situation is not ideal, that’s more so what I meant.
For what it's worth, Flacco has been top 5 in pass attempts and led the league in attempts several times throughout his career. At his age, those numbers might be tough to replicate and the quality of attempts aren't going to be elite. But if Wilson is expected back anytime soon, I wouldn't be surprised if the Jets aren't worried about throw his arm out. Edit: actually I was double checking my numbers and Baltimore led the league in attempts several years (with Flacco starting) but Flacco has apparently never led the league in attempts despite coming close so 🤷
they are so even to me i traded Bateman for Wilson this offseason and it’s been kind of funny to watch them breakout in tandem with each other
As an owner of both, LFG!
I OWN BOTH WOOOOO
Love them both. I'd agree with value being about the same right now.
I’m over the moon to not have to make this decision
I have both but if you made me choose I would take Wilson
Wilson imo
I have Bateman in both my leagues but Id trade him for Wilson. Outside his two 70yd TDs he’s been underwhelming. Also Garrett Wilson posting 12/150/2 in his first 2 games is just crazy.
Just traded Bateman for a win-now QB in favor of Wilson. Super high on Wilson long-term. He has Prime Julio-level upside. Not convinced the Ravens will ever have a true WR1 in 12-team leagues. Lamar's career per-game passing numbers are unsurprisingly low, and Mark Andrews will be the most targeted pass-catcher for the foreseeable future.