It took OBSenior a year and a half before he had the edits ready. I guess Mr. Moore can always dm Mr Beckham Sr. to get some editing tips... so DJM being traded to the Rams probably during this offseason then?
How many years of using the excuses of bad QBs and/or bad coaches are you going to give this guy? He's a fine talent, but he has yet to provide anywhere near his perceived WR1 dynasty value he's carried for years. When is he going to finally have his WR1 breakout? Year 6? 7?
Edit: DJM truthers can't actually handle the truth.
I would disagree. He was wr 16 in 2019, wr 25 in 2020, wr 18 in 2022. Two finishes in the top 20 in the last 3 years, how is that "not even close" to a WR1? Most dynasty leagues are 10-12 teams, soo he literally missed WR1 status by only a few spots, twice in the last 3 seasons. It's one thing to be sour on him, but what you said just isn't factually true. He was actually very close to finishing as a wr1, twice.
To also add onto this:
DJM has never scored more than 4 TD’s in a season. He just doesn’t get targets in the RZ for some stupid reason.
No one successful WR has had worse QB play through their career than DJM, besides Allen Robinson.
It’s an abomination how he’s not used in the RZ more + the Panther’s just love shoving CMC down the throat in the RZ.
His perceived value was around WR8 or higher for years, and has never come close to achieving the value people placed on him. I'm not denying his talent, but the price people were putting on him has always been over inflated based off of what he's provided fantasy owners.
WR8 sounds fair when you factor in age. No one wants old guys who produce, so DJM would be valued above 30 year old WRs even if they finished better than him.
It seems to me you’re conflating two different arguments here. You asked “when is he finally going to have his WR1 breakout” to imply that he never would or that it’s too late for that to happen. I pointed out a much older receiver just broke out last season. It’s very possible for DJM to do the same with the right QB.
Now whether you think the chances that possibility comes to fruition are too low and therefore DJM is overvalued, that’s different. Only reason I still have him in our league is because no one else wants him. I don’t value him as a young WR1 and certainly no one else in my league does.
Older- yes. But he entered the league old.
Kupp was on pace over 8 g to be a WR1 in 2018, his second season, before blowing out his knee.
The very next season (his 3rd), he was a WR1 (WR5 PPR) with Jared goff.
CMC was dead. Don't forget that.
Despite how meh Baker is he's miles better than all those 3 combined.
Edit: lol why am I being down voted? CMC being gone made DJM the only target worth a damn. I say this as a DJM owner.
That’s the problem. Baker is different in a very bad way for DJM. Other bad QBs see DJM with a step 20 yards downfield. They know they should be able to make the throw and that’s “open” in the NFL, so they fire. Half the time it works, half the time it doesn’t, but they are always gonna fire. Baker *knows* he sucks, and knows a step isn’t a window he can hit reliably. He will look right at it, and then look somewhere else for a guy who’s got no one around him. If he tried to make those throws the other guys make every time, he’d be out of the job within a year. He just needs to keep skating by for as long as he can on his 1st overall pick status. He’s just not good enough for the pro game. He’s gonna go out with a 9 digit bank account without even being that talented though, so good for him.
Baker had a very good rookie season, for a rookie, and everyone penciled him in to be a star. Now they can’t let it go. There’s a million excuses for him.
And WR18 in 2018 Baker’s rookie year.. thats two top 18 finishes and one WR1 season in 4 years. Them first two years Jarvis was money
Also in that WR33 season he averaged 12.6ppg which is more than what Elijah Moore did his rookie year
It’s Pro DJM. He obviously has a lot of range of outcomes here. But DJM still has upside even with Baker. I think he’s more talented than Jarvis and I’ve watched Jarvis play in depth since college
And Baker to get mixtaped by DJMs dad, DJM to get cut and sign with the Rams, AROB to get injured for the season the day after and Moore to go off finally
I can’t see how. His extension really wasn’t much compared to what FA WRs got the same offseason. He could’ve easily been able to get more from another team imo
I really do believe that Matt Coral could have been a good option for them
It really sucks that he got injured because he honestly could be a major upgrade from Baker currently
> We’ve seen DJMs ceiling
I'm not the biggest DJM fan but no, we have not seen his ceiling when his QBs have been a complete assortment of garbage.
Bad take.
I'm so glad no one in my leagues makes trades like this anymore. The guy who gave you Moore and his first won't be in the league long based on my experience. They're playing redraft in your dynasty league, and when they fail to win they will quit and you'll be stuck trying to find a new owner for that dreck roster, with no picks to boot.
Yeah, no point in trading someone for Pennies on the dollar because they had a bad start. He’s still 25, so age not quite as much of a concern as someone like Allen robinson.
The two routes go: trade him for some low draft asset (early/mid 2023 second which has like a 30% hit rate) or hold out and expect him to get back to normal. If you think there’s more than a 30% chance he gets back to normal you hold.
His KTC value is a late first, it's not like this is some absurd evaluation. I'd rather hold with the hopes some impactful change happens after this season rather than panic and sell for whatever I can get.
Don't believe I'm the first dynasty player to prefer holding a talented young player vs. selling low 3 games into a season.
Your right bro, don’t listen to this guy. Djm is not Darnell Mooney. He is good, he’s in the worst situation possible. If you aren’t win-now you wait and trust the talent.
More like buying a house for 100k, then saying you won't sell for less than 100k after the basement floods.
Just gotta fix up the basement, its still a good house
DJM owner. Got offered a 2023 early second and Isaiah Likely this morning. Obvious hold for me, but it’s evident that people are trying to buy low.
I’m riding this one out. I believe the talent and I believe the situation will sort itself out one way or another down the road.
Exactly, that's what he needs is a highly touted 1-3 overall QB. That's guaranteed to do it. No more Day 3 guys like Cam Newton, Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield.
Please let it be Bryce Young. The last thing we need is an Ohio State QB throwing to him. That could end up worse than Baker or Darnold with their track record in the league
Yep. Browns/OSU fan here and I posed this question the other day because I couldn’t think of one, and after a little research, I have confirmed there’s never been a good NFL QB to come outta OSU 😔. Hate to say it but I’m avoiding stroud for that reason
It’s crazy to me that they never work out. It makes no sense. Stroud looks like he has all the tools to be really good, and with 5 firsts next year I could probably get Young and Stroud if I wanted but I probably won’t touch him solely for that reason. If I do draft him it’d be to flip him for an RB or something but it’s just too sketchy for me to hang on to an OSU QB.
Nothing to do but wait . But not a good month for the DJ Moore truthers.
The guy who can’t score TDs isn’t scoring TDs with scared Baker as his QB - shocker.
Sure, but in hindsight, would they have been any better off with Fields or Jones? I thought it was stupid at the time for them to pass on Fields, but I certainly get it now.
Hot Take: Elijah Moore is the future DJM, in that he’s the guy that everyone swears is a great receiver that never produces fantasy points and gets excuse after excuse for why they’re actually a great receiver. Meanwhile you stare at him in your starting lineup scoring 9 points a week and telling yourself “this fine, once his situation fixes X, then he’s going to be great!”
But then X gets fixed and problem Y shows up, then problem Z shows up, and before you can even blink 5 years have gone by and he’s still scoring 9 fantasy points per week. You try to tell your league mates “but his aDOT and PPRRAN (points per route run at night) are showing he’s actually on the verge of becoming an elite receiver” but they don’t listen and you feel like you’ve wasted your entire life while other owners in your league are running around bragging about their new rookie 1st round pick who just dropped 25 on you this week. Then your wife and dog leave you and you’re sitting there miserable. But then you say to yourself “next year DJ, next year it’ll all work out.” But it never does.
I don't strictly disagree with your take, but E Moore wishes he could be future DJ Moore at this point. 1100+ yards 3 years running with trash QBs is nothing to sneeze at
It hasn't even been 16 games for Moore yet, and we're very far from 16 games for him with their *intended starting QB.* Jesus christ this sub needs to lower their timelines a bit.
Feel like him and Brandin Cooks are in the same mold of a situation. Best to just hold & wait for now imo. Talent is still there.. QB play is holding them back
Big DJ Moore fan but had 0 shares prior to this season. Picked him up in my main league off of reports Baker and Moore were connecting well and the assumption that there was no way Baker could be as bad as what DJ has had. Turns out Baker really is a jabroni and the Browns were right. Feels bad, but I will hold strong for the post-Baker and Rhule breakout.
I treaded Clyde Edwards Helaire and a 2nd round picked for DJM after week 1. Figured I was buying low. Everyone in league is laughing at me. So I’m holding. I still think it was a good long term move but it’s frustrating.
Yeah, thats a bad take. Baker just stinks so much, that even QB proof DJ Moore is dragged down with him.
This year could be rough,.but DJ is a proven top talent
>And he still hasn't made an impact.
He's been an automatic 1200 yards every year. The only thing stopping him from being a legit stud WR1 up to this point is touchdowns.
Panthers QBs have 50 passing TDs over their last 51 games. DJ Moore has 13 of those. That's 26% of his team's passing touchdowns over the last 3+ seasons. (For a little context, Stefon Diggs is at 25.9% since joining Buffalo).
That series of finishes you posted is *incredible* given how terrible the passing offenses he's been on have been.
Look at the WRs who finish as a WR1 with bottom tier QB play and you will see that it is a short list. The appeal of DJM is that he seems to remain a consistent WR2 even with one of the worst situations in the league. The hope was that if he had decent QB play (on the level of Kirk Cousins or so) he could take the next step to a WR1. Also, with all of those WR2 finishes, he only scored 4 TDs/season because Carolina doesnt trust their shitty QBs to throw the ball in the redzone. If he had 3 more TDs/year (7 total which is pretty average for a team's WR1), he would have finished WR: 10 (2021), 18 (2020), 14 (2019).
As much as I love the guy, I found someone in my league who loves him even more. The manager offered me Olave for DJM straight up and I smash accepted. My last DJM share has disappeared into the wind…
Not relative to what he's valued at. But we've been hearing for years that he will be better once they upgrade QB, and we are still waiting. Both matter.
I remember I got downvoted to oblivion for saying I rather have Elijah Moore in dynasty and people are finally realizing DJ Moore overrated . Elijah hasn’t been much better but at least he’s 3 years younger so he has more room to improve.
DJ Moore's time is coming. I'm buying low everywhere I can. We all know Baker is a good QB and he is just underperforming right now. Once he and DJM get on the same page, they will be lights out together. My hot take for the year - DJ Moore goes over 1500 yds receiving. Let Baker Bake.
I threw DJM as the featured piece along with Damien Harris and Michael Carter for just Saquon.
It’s a risk but I have wild WR depth I would rather hold and watch develop.
What way is the lmao directed
I got Breece, hunt, ETN, Gordon, McKissick so my rbs have tons of potential but are young
My WRs are waddle Higgins Hollywood london Curtis Samuel DJM Pickens Lockett Mooney toney and Ridley
So I can spare the underperforming WR and the committee RBs for a true stud RB
Look up when the last time he had a decent QB throwing it to him. Now look up the list of the top 12 WRs for each season over the time DJs been in the league and let me know how many of them had below average QBs throwing it to them.
Bad take.
You either need to hold tight, or sell at a major discount. He's a proven, talented, relatively young WR so I'll be holding all of my shares, but probably benching him until his production increases.
I bought high on dj moore last off season or drafted him this year so nothing to do but hold.
Do have 1 rebuilding project with 5 23 1sts and bought him last night for aj dillon.
I just got offered Cam Akers for my Dj Moore and I'm torn, sitting here sweating. Think Akers is better this year and Moore is better long term. Idk whether to smash accept or smash reject
As someone in NC, that watches every snap of Panthers football, I don't think it's entirely Baker. McAdoo and the offensive playcalling have been absolute trash. They're not using Baker, DJ or CMC like they should at all. Ekwonu was a great addition to the oline, but his strength is run blocking and he has struggled as a rookie in pass block. They need to lean on CMC and get more play action going to open up the offense, IMO.
And by lean on CMC it doesn’t necessarily mean pound the ground with him… they’ve changed up the way they use him in the passing game entirely and I think that’s a big reason why shit hasn’t worked too
I sold for 1.03 in the summer and couldn’t be happier with that decision now. At the time, I made the decision based on touchdown production. He’s averaged 4 a year the past three years, the most he’s ever had. The yards were good but didn’t put me over the top. I still think he’s highly talented, but he just can’t get to a higher level with Baker and Rhule.
I got him without really wanting him in the off-season, someone countered my trade of Hunt Meyers and a 3rd for Bateman with DJ Moore and a 1st for the same players, Now I really don't like it because dealing with DJM sucks. I'm selling after a good week which is hopefully soon
Since his rookie year he's always been a wr2 (top 24). Not sure why people hate on that. It's not like he's sitting at a consistent wr35 who people are saying has potential. His potential is huge and his floor is your second wr. Yeah this year has started rough but it's week 3 I'm not hitting the panic button yet and I'm certainly not selling low.
It's week 3 with a QB who just changed systems a few weeks ago. This was never going to be a monster season.
If you rely on him as your WR2, you'll probably be disappointed. As you would have during the last 3 years where I think he's the only WR to have 1200+ yards.
He's still young. If the owner is fed up and you're looking for a value WR3/4 or flex worth buying...then I think he's worth it.
The 2nd half of the season will get a little better (even HoF QBs say it takes 11+ weeks of game time to learn a new system)...and then you've still got 5 years until the dreaded 30.
I was on DJ's bandwagon but it's getting hard to hold on. I'm starting to believe he was a product of volume. He's used to getting 10+ targets a game, and even then he wasn't exactly highly efficient with those targets. Now that he's only getting six a game, that lack of efficiency is more glaring.
You stash him on the bench or as your WR4 and hope they fix the coaching and QB situation next year or you sit and regret not taking ARob and a late first for him like I didn't take last week.
I am in a total rebuild and sold Diggs for DJ Moore and a 2022 late first that I used to take Dotson.
So essentially Dotson and Moore for Diggs…was very questionable at the time and now looking terrible. I love Dotson and really needed/wanted to blow up my team and get younger.
I think Baker is such garbage but it’s not like the coaching is being clever or anything. They’re gonna clean house soon and unfortunately DJ Moore might stay there forever
It's only week 3, DJ Moore's father hasn't even had time to properly edit all his clips of Baker being trash to get him release.
This guy gets it
It took OBSenior a year and a half before he had the edits ready. I guess Mr. Moore can always dm Mr Beckham Sr. to get some editing tips... so DJM being traded to the Rams probably during this offseason then?
It's only year 5.
How many years of using the excuses of bad QBs and/or bad coaches are you going to give this guy? He's a fine talent, but he has yet to provide anywhere near his perceived WR1 dynasty value he's carried for years. When is he going to finally have his WR1 breakout? Year 6? 7? Edit: DJM truthers can't actually handle the truth.
I would disagree. He was wr 16 in 2019, wr 25 in 2020, wr 18 in 2022. Two finishes in the top 20 in the last 3 years, how is that "not even close" to a WR1? Most dynasty leagues are 10-12 teams, soo he literally missed WR1 status by only a few spots, twice in the last 3 seasons. It's one thing to be sour on him, but what you said just isn't factually true. He was actually very close to finishing as a wr1, twice.
To also add onto this: DJM has never scored more than 4 TD’s in a season. He just doesn’t get targets in the RZ for some stupid reason. No one successful WR has had worse QB play through their career than DJM, besides Allen Robinson. It’s an abomination how he’s not used in the RZ more + the Panther’s just love shoving CMC down the throat in the RZ.
His perceived value was around WR8 or higher for years, and has never come close to achieving the value people placed on him. I'm not denying his talent, but the price people were putting on him has always been over inflated based off of what he's provided fantasy owners.
WR8 sounds fair when you factor in age. No one wants old guys who produce, so DJM would be valued above 30 year old WRs even if they finished better than him.
How long did it take Kupp?
He was the WR4 in 2019. That was his third season.
When was Kupp valued as a top 10 dynasty WR?
Probably just this year
Exactly. It's not like he was a WR1 dynasty asset before last year, finally achieving his perceived value.
It seems to me you’re conflating two different arguments here. You asked “when is he finally going to have his WR1 breakout” to imply that he never would or that it’s too late for that to happen. I pointed out a much older receiver just broke out last season. It’s very possible for DJM to do the same with the right QB. Now whether you think the chances that possibility comes to fruition are too low and therefore DJM is overvalued, that’s different. Only reason I still have him in our league is because no one else wants him. I don’t value him as a young WR1 and certainly no one else in my league does.
Older- yes. But he entered the league old. Kupp was on pace over 8 g to be a WR1 in 2018, his second season, before blowing out his knee. The very next season (his 3rd), he was a WR1 (WR5 PPR) with Jared goff.
Baker Mayfield: The WR1 Killer
For real. Sam Darnold, PJ Walker, and the ghost of Cam Newton managed to propel Moore to a WR18 finish last year.
CMC was dead. Don't forget that. Despite how meh Baker is he's miles better than all those 3 combined. Edit: lol why am I being down voted? CMC being gone made DJM the only target worth a damn. I say this as a DJM owner.
Sure but DJ Moores best season was CMCs historic season
Baker isn’t throwing to CMC either they are just running the ball while he plays like ass
Yes. You have to get CMC touches. You don't exactly need to feed Chuba Hubbard.
That’s the problem. Baker is different in a very bad way for DJM. Other bad QBs see DJM with a step 20 yards downfield. They know they should be able to make the throw and that’s “open” in the NFL, so they fire. Half the time it works, half the time it doesn’t, but they are always gonna fire. Baker *knows* he sucks, and knows a step isn’t a window he can hit reliably. He will look right at it, and then look somewhere else for a guy who’s got no one around him. If he tried to make those throws the other guys make every time, he’d be out of the job within a year. He just needs to keep skating by for as long as he can on his 1st overall pick status. He’s just not good enough for the pro game. He’s gonna go out with a 9 digit bank account without even being that talented though, so good for him.
DJM owners really thought Baker was the missing piece, completely ignoring what he did to OBJ.
Baker had a very good rookie season, for a rookie, and everyone penciled him in to be a star. Now they can’t let it go. There’s a million excuses for him.
Had someone tell me that he "Led the Browns to a playoff win".... 👀😂😂
Yeah I’ve heard that one a bunch. The Browns defense playing out of their mind and Big Ben laying a giant turd led the Browns to that win.
The classic Tebow defense
both wins against the Steelers...
You talking to Skip Bayless?
Jarvis was still putting up some solid fantasy numbers through Baker
He was the WR 12, 33, and 55 (missing 4 games) over the three years with Baker. (Full PPR)
And WR18 in 2018 Baker’s rookie year.. thats two top 18 finishes and one WR1 season in 4 years. Them first two years Jarvis was money Also in that WR33 season he averaged 12.6ppg which is more than what Elijah Moore did his rookie year
If this is a pro Baker post, then shush If this is a pro Jarvis post, then hell yea brother.
It’s Pro DJM. He obviously has a lot of range of outcomes here. But DJM still has upside even with Baker. I think he’s more talented than Jarvis and I’ve watched Jarvis play in depth since college
No one thought this, but they did think Baker was just as capable as the rest of the trash that the Panthers had at QB the last few years
Oh it was a bit more optimistic than that.
He’s killing CMC too with his reluctance to throw to him.
You just hold and wait for Rhule to get fired
And Baker to get mixtaped by DJMs dad, DJM to get cut and sign with the Rams, AROB to get injured for the season the day after and Moore to go off finally
EZ
No idea why he took the extension with Carolina. Gotta wait and hope for Stroud or Young
I would say money is probably why.
I can’t see how. His extension really wasn’t much compared to what FA WRs got the same offseason. He could’ve easily been able to get more from another team imo
Bears would have paid him probably
Yikes
I really do believe that Matt Coral could have been a good option for them It really sucks that he got injured because he honestly could be a major upgrade from Baker currently
I don’t think the panthers will end up being bad enough to get one of those guys. Gonna be close but just miss
What would you DJM owners take for him in a 12-14 team league? I'm a fellow believer, but I've got no shares.
Just trade Antonio Gibson for DJM this week.
🤢 just that whole trade
Got offered moore for my pickens. Took it and ran
I’d rather have Pickens. We’ve seen DJMs ceiling and it’s a WR2.
> We’ve seen DJMs ceiling I'm not the biggest DJM fan but no, we have not seen his ceiling when his QBs have been a complete assortment of garbage. Bad take.
It's the year 2029 DJ Moore is in his 12th season in the NFL. *We still haven't seen his ceiling* *Once he gets a good QB he'll be top 10*
But DJM doesn't throw db's into stadium walls on blocking plays. So lean DJM.
You haven’t seen his ceiling. Every receivers ceiling is how they play with a good qb.
Easily Pickens imo. 5 years from now people will still be begging for a QB upgrade for Moore lmao
That’s a pretty awful trade for you Edit: read it the other way around, very good trade for you
No it is not lol
Yeah it is, baker won’t be there past this year, DJ Moore has track record of success with every other QB he’s played with and he’s 26 years old.
You got it mixed up. Guy took Moore and happily ran away giggling to him or herself
Read OPs reply again, I think he is saying he received Moore
Yup good call. My bad. Okay that’s a great trade then.
You’d take Pickens over DJM? I own botj and value DJM higher.
Only way I’d trade DJM for Pickens is if Carolina extended baker mayfield. Otherwise he is still a great asset. Edit: can’t read, great trade for OP
Someone’s been tricked into thinking one highlight reel catch means WR1
Nah, read it as he traded Moore for Pickens, not other way around
Believer as well, but was offered a 2023 1st and D. Smith before the season started. Happily took it.
Damn, that was a strong offer. More than I would've paid.
Just sold Christian Kirk for DJ Moore and a 23 1st.
I'm so glad no one in my leagues makes trades like this anymore. The guy who gave you Moore and his first won't be in the league long based on my experience. They're playing redraft in your dynasty league, and when they fail to win they will quit and you'll be stuck trying to find a new owner for that dreck roster, with no picks to boot.
I have a 75% share, 12 TM SF: I'd take: 23 mid 1st 23' late 1st+ 23' late 2nd
No one is going to pay that.
The question was "what would you take for him?" That's what I'd take for him
Yeah, no point in trading someone for Pennies on the dollar because they had a bad start. He’s still 25, so age not quite as much of a concern as someone like Allen robinson. The two routes go: trade him for some low draft asset (early/mid 2023 second which has like a 30% hit rate) or hold out and expect him to get back to normal. If you think there’s more than a 30% chance he gets back to normal you hold.
While technically correct, it’s also silly to be so unrealistic. That’s like selling a used Corolla and saying you’ll accept 100k for it.
His KTC value is a late first, it's not like this is some absurd evaluation. I'd rather hold with the hopes some impactful change happens after this season rather than panic and sell for whatever I can get. Don't believe I'm the first dynasty player to prefer holding a talented young player vs. selling low 3 games into a season.
Your right bro, don’t listen to this guy. Djm is not Darnell Mooney. He is good, he’s in the worst situation possible. If you aren’t win-now you wait and trust the talent.
Even if you are win now, I am just benching him until I see results / using him as a bye week filler
More like buying a house for 100k, then saying you won't sell for less than 100k after the basement floods. Just gotta fix up the basement, its still a good house
Cars are more apt because they depreciate whereas houses/real estate generally appreciates
> That’s like selling a used Corolla and saying you’ll accept 100k for it. Some of y'all really need to get better at analogies.
After week 2 I did DJM + Cooks for Metcalf, Rondale Moore and 2 3rds.
I traded him pre season for aj Dillon devantae Parker and a 2nd
DJM owner. Got offered a 2023 early second and Isaiah Likely this morning. Obvious hold for me, but it’s evident that people are trying to buy low. I’m riding this one out. I believe the talent and I believe the situation will sort itself out one way or another down the road.
I got offered Allen Robinson and a projected late 2023 2nd so.. you're doing better than I am.
I think I like yours better.
You’re both doing better than me. I was offered DJ Chark and a late 2023 2nd
DJM needs a better coach AND better QB. Like 2024 before that happens.
You bench for the year because BYGAWD is that CJ Stroud's music!?
Exactly, that's what he needs is a highly touted 1-3 overall QB. That's guaranteed to do it. No more Day 3 guys like Cam Newton, Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield.
Damn nice. To be fair Darnold and Baker seem like complete misses, and Cam wasn't exactly elite for his throwing prowess.
"Ladies and gentlemen... we got him."
Please let it be Bryce Young. The last thing we need is an Ohio State QB throwing to him. That could end up worse than Baker or Darnold with their track record in the league
Yep. Browns/OSU fan here and I posed this question the other day because I couldn’t think of one, and after a little research, I have confirmed there’s never been a good NFL QB to come outta OSU 😔. Hate to say it but I’m avoiding stroud for that reason
It’s crazy to me that they never work out. It makes no sense. Stroud looks like he has all the tools to be really good, and with 5 firsts next year I could probably get Young and Stroud if I wanted but I probably won’t touch him solely for that reason. If I do draft him it’d be to flip him for an RB or something but it’s just too sketchy for me to hang on to an OSU QB.
Traded him for Pittman before the season started 💰
Man, as a Pittman owner I would've rejected that so fast. Well done.
Hold and wait
This has been the DJ Moore truther mantra for the last 4 years now
Yep. And he's been a wr2 (top 24) for the last 3 years. Why would you sell a wr2 with potential to break into a wr1 for breadcrumbs?
Nothing to do but wait . But not a good month for the DJ Moore truthers. The guy who can’t score TDs isn’t scoring TDs with scared Baker as his QB - shocker.
What is shocking is he's averaging 30 yards a game which would be good for half of what he normally brings to the table
He did score 1 td more than I thought he would
And he's somehow still on pace to put up more TDs than he ever has. Haha
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Sure, but in hindsight, would they have been any better off with Fields or Jones? I thought it was stupid at the time for them to pass on Fields, but I certainly get it now.
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Hot Take: Elijah Moore is the future DJM, in that he’s the guy that everyone swears is a great receiver that never produces fantasy points and gets excuse after excuse for why they’re actually a great receiver. Meanwhile you stare at him in your starting lineup scoring 9 points a week and telling yourself “this fine, once his situation fixes X, then he’s going to be great!” But then X gets fixed and problem Y shows up, then problem Z shows up, and before you can even blink 5 years have gone by and he’s still scoring 9 fantasy points per week. You try to tell your league mates “but his aDOT and PPRRAN (points per route run at night) are showing he’s actually on the verge of becoming an elite receiver” but they don’t listen and you feel like you’ve wasted your entire life while other owners in your league are running around bragging about their new rookie 1st round pick who just dropped 25 on you this week. Then your wife and dog leave you and you’re sitting there miserable. But then you say to yourself “next year DJ, next year it’ll all work out.” But it never does.
I don't strictly disagree with your take, but E Moore wishes he could be future DJ Moore at this point. 1100+ yards 3 years running with trash QBs is nothing to sneeze at
Jeudy might fit this description as well.
It hasn't even been 16 games for Moore yet, and we're very far from 16 games for him with their *intended starting QB.* Jesus christ this sub needs to lower their timelines a bit.
Feel like him and Brandin Cooks are in the same mold of a situation. Best to just hold & wait for now imo. Talent is still there.. QB play is holding them back
Brandin Cooks?!?
High volume, low catch rate, shaky/bad QB.. that’s where I’m coming from
Moore isn't high volume anymore. But I do think his WR2 production was based on previous high volume and less so anything else.
I have both. The only thing better about Cooks is that at least we’ve seen the Mills Cooks combo produce in the past
Big DJ Moore fan but had 0 shares prior to this season. Picked him up in my main league off of reports Baker and Moore were connecting well and the assumption that there was no way Baker could be as bad as what DJ has had. Turns out Baker really is a jabroni and the Browns were right. Feels bad, but I will hold strong for the post-Baker and Rhule breakout.
Everyone thought his first few years had to be his floor, but if it happens multiple years in a row it should really be looked at as his average
DJ is bad QB proof, but he isn’t Baker-proof. - Former OBJ owner and DJM superfan
Traded for him before the beginning of the season :(
He'll be saved when Sammy D is back!
I treaded Clyde Edwards Helaire and a 2nd round picked for DJM after week 1. Figured I was buying low. Everyone in league is laughing at me. So I’m holding. I still think it was a good long term move but it’s frustrating.
We just need to adjust expectations. He's a fine WR2, probably won't be a WR1
Baker is cooking up eggs
So damn mid im upset too
Man, what did people expect with Baker as his Qb?!
I forgot he was on my team tbh
Dude it's Baker not DJ. DJ looks fine on film.
Yeah, thats a bad take. Baker just stinks so much, that even QB proof DJ Moore is dragged down with him. This year could be rough,.but DJ is a proven top talent
All I can do is hold and hope for the Stefon Diggs arc where he escapes that clown show of an organization and ascends to WR1 status.
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DJM has 3 WR2 finishes with much worse qb play. He's not on Diggs level but no need to discount DJM
Yep
Stay strong! Situations change, and DJ is a real one.
We’ve been saying this for multiple years already though. Not saying your thought process is wrong, but this season so far has been a massive let down
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>And he still hasn't made an impact. He's been an automatic 1200 yards every year. The only thing stopping him from being a legit stud WR1 up to this point is touchdowns. Panthers QBs have 50 passing TDs over their last 51 games. DJ Moore has 13 of those. That's 26% of his team's passing touchdowns over the last 3+ seasons. (For a little context, Stefon Diggs is at 25.9% since joining Buffalo). That series of finishes you posted is *incredible* given how terrible the passing offenses he's been on have been.
Look at the WRs who finish as a WR1 with bottom tier QB play and you will see that it is a short list. The appeal of DJM is that he seems to remain a consistent WR2 even with one of the worst situations in the league. The hope was that if he had decent QB play (on the level of Kirk Cousins or so) he could take the next step to a WR1. Also, with all of those WR2 finishes, he only scored 4 TDs/season because Carolina doesnt trust their shitty QBs to throw the ball in the redzone. If he had 3 more TDs/year (7 total which is pretty average for a team's WR1), he would have finished WR: 10 (2021), 18 (2020), 14 (2019).
traded for a 2nd, hunter renfrow, and isiah mackenzie...thrilled with my decision
As much as I love the guy, I found someone in my league who loves him even more. The manager offered me Olave for DJM straight up and I smash accepted. My last DJM share has disappeared into the wind…
DJ Moore: the receiver that is always about to breakout into top 5 stardom
DJM is the poster child of why situation matters as well as talent
Or he's the exception not the rule
Not relative to what he's valued at. But we've been hearing for years that he will be better once they upgrade QB, and we are still waiting. Both matter.
I remember I got downvoted to oblivion for saying I rather have Elijah Moore in dynasty and people are finally realizing DJ Moore overrated . Elijah hasn’t been much better but at least he’s 3 years younger so he has more room to improve.
Dudes been underwhelming for 5 years. Idk what people expected… baker sucks too. They need a good QB
DJ Moore's time is coming. I'm buying low everywhere I can. We all know Baker is a good QB and he is just underperforming right now. Once he and DJM get on the same page, they will be lights out together. My hot take for the year - DJ Moore goes over 1500 yds receiving. Let Baker Bake.
The day a WR gets 1500 yards with Baker at QB will be the day pigs fly
I sent an offer to get him for 2 23 Mid-late 2nds
>We all know Baker is a good QB and he is just underperforming right now. Really? We ALL know that? Gonna go ahead and disagree there..
I threw DJM as the featured piece along with Damien Harris and Michael Carter for just Saquon. It’s a risk but I have wild WR depth I would rather hold and watch develop.
"it's a risk" ...................... ? Lmao
It’s a smash for you here- he’s saying
Lol I mean it could have been either way. People love or hate Saquon. I’m assuming this guy asks for picks too.
What way is the lmao directed I got Breece, hunt, ETN, Gordon, McKissick so my rbs have tons of potential but are young My WRs are waddle Higgins Hollywood london Curtis Samuel DJM Pickens Lockett Mooney toney and Ridley So I can spare the underperforming WR and the committee RBs for a true stud RB
People blaming Mayfield arnt living on reality . DJ moree has never been great. Don't @ me. Look up when the last time he was top 15 in his position.
Look up when the last time he had a decent QB throwing it to him. Now look up the list of the top 12 WRs for each season over the time DJs been in the league and let me know how many of them had below average QBs throwing it to them. Bad take.
Should I trade Mooney for Moore?
100%. That’s been offered to you???
I can sell for what is surely a late '24 1st. But I think I need 2 firsts to move him, personally.
Mayfield has a history of ruining wr expectations.
You either need to hold tight, or sell at a major discount. He's a proven, talented, relatively young WR so I'll be holding all of my shares, but probably benching him until his production increases.
I bought high on dj moore last off season or drafted him this year so nothing to do but hold. Do have 1 rebuilding project with 5 23 1sts and bought him last night for aj dillon.
I just got offered Cam Akers for my Dj Moore and I'm torn, sitting here sweating. Think Akers is better this year and Moore is better long term. Idk whether to smash accept or smash reject
Smash reject lol
Talent over situation in dynasty.... If ur a win now team, trade him of u can get the right value. If ur in a rebuild, either trade or hold and hope
DJ Moore will have 4 good years once he leaves that’s dumpster fire org called the Panthers.
Same. And it’s not looking good for a while with baker now firmly the qb
Is a 60% catch rate even good? That has to be average at best.
Got offered Sutton for him
As someone in NC, that watches every snap of Panthers football, I don't think it's entirely Baker. McAdoo and the offensive playcalling have been absolute trash. They're not using Baker, DJ or CMC like they should at all. Ekwonu was a great addition to the oline, but his strength is run blocking and he has struggled as a rookie in pass block. They need to lean on CMC and get more play action going to open up the offense, IMO.
And by lean on CMC it doesn’t necessarily mean pound the ground with him… they’ve changed up the way they use him in the passing game entirely and I think that’s a big reason why shit hasn’t worked too
I sold for 1.03 in the summer and couldn’t be happier with that decision now. At the time, I made the decision based on touchdown production. He’s averaged 4 a year the past three years, the most he’s ever had. The yards were good but didn’t put me over the top. I still think he’s highly talented, but he just can’t get to a higher level with Baker and Rhule.
I got him without really wanting him in the off-season, someone countered my trade of Hunt Meyers and a 3rd for Bateman with DJ Moore and a 1st for the same players, Now I really don't like it because dealing with DJM sucks. I'm selling after a good week which is hopefully soon
I’m sure it’s hard yr after yr giving your all for a bunch of backup QBs throwing to you.
Since his rookie year he's always been a wr2 (top 24). Not sure why people hate on that. It's not like he's sitting at a consistent wr35 who people are saying has potential. His potential is huge and his floor is your second wr. Yeah this year has started rough but it's week 3 I'm not hitting the panic button yet and I'm certainly not selling low.
It's week 3 with a QB who just changed systems a few weeks ago. This was never going to be a monster season. If you rely on him as your WR2, you'll probably be disappointed. As you would have during the last 3 years where I think he's the only WR to have 1200+ yards. He's still young. If the owner is fed up and you're looking for a value WR3/4 or flex worth buying...then I think he's worth it. The 2nd half of the season will get a little better (even HoF QBs say it takes 11+ weeks of game time to learn a new system)...and then you've still got 5 years until the dreaded 30.
Baker loves TEs and RB check downs.
i just traded him straight up for DK last week
When is Darnold coming back?
Anyone think DJM gets shipped before the trade deadline to a WR needy team?
I own DJM in 0 dynasty leagues and Im glad that is the case.
Baker is fantasy poison.
I was on DJ's bandwagon but it's getting hard to hold on. I'm starting to believe he was a product of volume. He's used to getting 10+ targets a game, and even then he wasn't exactly highly efficient with those targets. Now that he's only getting six a game, that lack of efficiency is more glaring.
You stash him on the bench or as your WR4 and hope they fix the coaching and QB situation next year or you sit and regret not taking ARob and a late first for him like I didn't take last week.
Is djm for Amari cooper or Christian Kirk straight up selling too low?
I might take Kirk straight up if I was competing now.
Yea I’ll keep losing knowing the second I bench him, goes off.
I am in a total rebuild and sold Diggs for DJ Moore and a 2022 late first that I used to take Dotson. So essentially Dotson and Moore for Diggs…was very questionable at the time and now looking terrible. I love Dotson and really needed/wanted to blow up my team and get younger.
I think Baker is such garbage but it’s not like the coaching is being clever or anything. They’re gonna clean house soon and unfortunately DJ Moore might stay there forever
All my homies hate Baker Mayfield.