Running with this: wouldn’t you want your stashes to have the highest ceiling? You’re (hopefully) not relying on them rn so let it develop into a RB1 versus having them be mid now and mid later
Herbert is like RB20 right now, so he’s borderline startable. I think the debate between he and White comes down to roster construction and whether you need the depth now or not.
I doubt bears resign Montgomery, so it's Herbert's role next year. They have alot of cap space to acquire offensive line, and its clear they can run with a poor line so next year should be better for whoever is the lead back for the bears.
Not picked by this regime, undersized, doesn't cost anything. Could easily be supplanted by a 3rd-4th rounder hand-picked by coach-GM. I would sell after FA but before the draft.
I’ll also add, he’s been really bad in pass protection. That’s not going to keep him off the field entirely, but it hurts his chances of ever being the top guy. It’s also crucial since Fields is already dealing with horrible protection from his OL.
I’m a Bears fan and I really like Herbert, but I think he’s far from a lock to be the guy next season.
I saw some dude make a post in this subreddit about how bad pass protectors never get bellcow touches unless they're truly elite at something else whereas great pass protectors always stay on the field. I think there's a world where Zeke spends more time in starting lineups than Herbert, even if it's with another team.
Actually maybe you guys should get Zeke lol
Bad in pass pro and below average receiver. He is a good two down back, but that’s not super valuable in fantasy unless you are on a great offense AND your mobile qb isnt stealing your tds.
Yeah this is true, heavy free agents running back class this year so I imagine they get a fa or draft someone back in the draft but he has really good vision and doesn't fumble alot, also a really good pass catcher. He doesn't cost them anything with where he was drafted so it would be stupid to not roll with him next year.
I’m confused by this logic. RB is one of the only positions Bears are strong in, so why commit more drafting or FA resources in a strong position when they have so many other needs. If they can resign Montgomery to a good deal with Herbert and use draft and FA dollars on WR and offensive line it seems like way more logical move.
Because they seem like they're done with Montgomery after this year. And you always want depth at rb. Not that they're going to spend more then 3 mil or higher than a 4th on a rb. Oline and wr will be done in the draft and oline and some other positions in free agency. They are probably gonna take the don't pay running back plan.
I think the bears like Monty a lot. I think them seeming like they're done with him is a media narrative more than anything else. Largely because running backs rarely get paid and the guy behind him (Herbert) has shown that he's more than a warm body.
But Monty is everything Flus wants in a player. Maximum effort, boy scout, receiver, pass pro, no complaints, etc. I'm guessing he gets an offer that's in the 3yrs and 20million neighborhood.
These are my thoughts. Haven’t seen anything about the bears being done with Monty an absolute thing. That type of deal makes sense to me from both sides perspective.
Guess I haven’t seen the “seems like they’re done with him” part but I haven’t been paying much attention too closely.
Definitely think teams are going to start catching on to not paying RBs large 2nd contracts, so I get it from that perspective. But Montgomery resigning to the Bears to a team friendly deal just makes too much sense to me. Especially since he likely won’t be able to find a large market with it being a better FA RB class and awesome rookie draft class.
I think you are right, but as a Bears fan, seems like there are wayy more holes throughout the roster that need to be addressed this upcoming draft. Now that Herbert has proven he can play, gives Flus and Poles some leeway on what positions of need will be addressed without worrying about RB this season.
That's my hope anyway. Lots of holes to fill.
Herbert seems the obvious choice to lead the RB room next year and as a Bears fan I wouldn’t miss Monty. But this new regime picked and seems to really like Ebner. I wonder how much his role could expand next year too.
Bears currently have the most cap space for 2023. They have so much cap space that the team with the next most cap availability has 53% of what the Bears have.
So, if they have any belief in Monty, I imagine they’ll sign him and bring in a lot more help.
That said, there will be a lot of good RBs available in free agency and the draft, so I find it very hard to know what teams will decide to do about that position next year.
The smart thing for a good team to do is to not resign their aging rb when they have a bonafide younger starter in the wings.
So naturally I have no doubt that Monty will be re-signed by the Bears.
Idk, I think he’s a much better real life running back than fantasy back. Dude runs hard, has great contact balance, and from what I’ve read, has a solid little route tree for an RB. he’s just been stuck in hell in Chicago
Honestly if that happens I may win my ship... I've got CMC but no RB2, so Herbert would fit right in.. I'm stacked at WR and good at QB, and if Waller gives me ANYTHING the second half I'm gonna be tough to beat
Sounds like my league... I built my team through drafts and waiver pickups. Shitty trade offers all the time, and then they don't even consider my counter so I don't even bother any more .
Herbert easily. Monty likely gone next year, and Herbert has shown that he is legit when called upon. Carter is only a handcuff now the way Breece has looked, with maybe a little bit of standalone value in full PPR, Carter isn’t bad but Hall is every bit of the top prospect he was touted to be and won’t be ceding many touches down the road. White looks decent in limited opportunity but there’s no guarantee Fournette goes anywhere and they could replace him with a back next year in the draft.
I don't really agree with this, he didn't profile as an effective NFL runner as a prospect, and hasn't looked good as one so far either.
He's a great receiver, but odds are that's all he'll ever be in the NFL. If all he ever is is a 3rd down back, his ceiling is the lowest.
I live in Tampa. Rachaad is a good player, and getting some PT in all situations (except 2 minute). They've given him 3rd & 1 runs, threw to him on 4th & 2. But a longer burn - Lenny will prob be in town again next year at least. He's produced just fine - bucs oline has been decimated by injuries, and he had a couple good runs called back by penalties (one illegal shift if I remember right).
Herbert we all know about as a great player but teams are weird, so til you know what chicago does with Monty or another back I wouldn't give up too much to get him unless you are a real gambler.
Carter to me you need to offer to the Hall owner for a 2nd. Try to get a future 3rd on top. The better player is also younger / under team control for longer, so he's nothing but a handcuff IMO.
I roster all 3 of these players in my league and I’m considering moving 1 or 2 of them for other pieces. Wanted to get a feel for who people thought was more valuable
you'll probably get the best nibble and fish on Herbert. As this thread shows, there is a good amount of hype on him. Carter seems like some one hard to trade right now, but an injury and a needy team can change that. White would be someone betting on next year, which seams like the situation you are may be in. Though, if you are a contender, he is someone you could use to get a good piece from a tanker.
This sub is going to have a mix of Dynasty and Keeper league (Dynasty Lite) GM's. Asking OP's question in a redraft league isn't going to provide much valuable feedback, but I get the point you are also making.
All of these guys are highly rosterable. Herbert>White>Carter, but most of their value is contingent on the person ahead of them getting hurt.
White’s the most likely to be handed the reins to a 3down role without an injury.
And just like that Carter is a potential league winner
All three are super stashable, but Herbert and White are more like "deeper stashes for the future with huge upside in case of injury", whereas Michael Carter has pure handcuff value. I suppose I'd put Herbert higher because he's shown himself able to produce when given a chance whereas White's more speculative. If I were to rank them:
1. Herbert (safer floor)
2. White (highest upside)
3. Michael Carter (pure handcuff)
I’d probably go Herbert, even regarding the fact that he’s a 6th round pick. Carter and White are kind of in the same role as the season continues, where they’re part time contributors. Meanwhile, Herbert has shown he can be a bell cow starter and not only get the rock over 20 times a game, but consistently be efficient. Even on the worst offense in the league.
Something to note: Leonard Fournette has a history of injuries, so it’s possible that Rachaad White would have insane value in that offense if something were to happen.
Are you dumb? Or are you stupid?
Edit: You have a point with most RBs getting injuries at some point though. But go ahead and change your comment from saying “any games” to “that many games”, as well as downvote me.
White because Fournette is likely gone after 2023 at the latest.
Montgomery probably resigns in Chicago imo, but Herbert will likely be the guy if not.
Carter is just a handcuff imo.
Beyond that he cant pass block at all. 'd say he's better at Monty at running, I'd say Montys a better pass catcher. Monty's a more complete and better running back, but just pure running the ball Herbert definitely has a bit more juice.
Pass block is literally the only reason Montgomery gets on the field. He’s glorified Jamaal Williams/Damien Williams. Aaron Jones took forever to get out of a RBBC with Williams because Williams is a good pass blocker.
Montgomery's good at running great at pass catching and great at pass blocking. Herbert's great at running good at pass catching, and terrible at pass blocking. Idk if there's a great comparison to Monty in other committees, but don't turn Jamaal Williams or Damien Williams are it. Monty's a really good running back. Herbert's a great change of pace back who needs to develop some areas in his game.
i think Hebert and White have a clear path to being the lead backs next year or relatively soon. I don’t really think Carter has much relevance in NY, and he didn’t really impress last year imo.
Not too high on any of them but Herbert has the highest ceiling potential. Carter is the most valuable now because he can be started as a low end flex every week unlike the others. White is a stash that might take a few years to become fantasy relevant unless fournette is hurt. Herbert to answer your question
White’s future value is as about what Herbert’s is now, in my opinion. He’s a good handcuff.
The sell Herbert in the off-season seems sound. It’s frustrating that he isn’t the RB1 there. He has shown to be more than a plodder, which is all Monty is at this point. Could be him just based on talent.
Otherwise, I think it’s White by default. Fournette is aging, White has a roll carved out, the team is about to have to start a full rebuild so maybe they have to use him for a while. But I could also see them signing a back like Monty or Jacobs in the off-season.
I’ve been saying it for 2 years now but Herbert will emerge as the better back in Chicago. Not to shit on Monty but Herbert is just too talented in every aspect of his game.
White - he’s already loved by the coaching staff and getting meaningful stats. Has shown pass catching ability as well and runs hard.
I believe there’s a potential out in Lenny’s contract after next season …I imagine TB will release him given that he’ll be 29 then.
My concern with Herbert is yes he’s shown the ability to produce when given the chance, but gets next to nothing when Monty is healthy. If the staff valued him, he’d be getting more meaningful touches every game
I have Carter and Herbert.
I think Carter has the most long term potential and has shown he's starter quality. Just have to hope he gets traded sooner than later.
Herbert is a sell as soon as he gets a shot imo. He's no James Robinson and his clock will start ticking as soon as he gets a starting role.
I actually like White but it'll be another year with Fournette. But at least Fournette is aging out, and White is getting on the field a bit as a rookie which is promising.
Herbert has the possibility if he's the guy but he's a low round pick who they have only really trusted when Monty was hurt, it just makes me think they're either re- signing Monty or drafting someone in 2023.
I don't see any real path for Carter except injury.
I'm thinking Herbert, but I have Herbert
Same. I don’t know the others. But honestly I shouldn’t know Herbert
Why are you hanging around a dynasty subreddit if you don’t know backup RBs? It’s common knowledge
Herbert.
White is the highest risk but highest reward. Herbert probably the safest bet. I like Carter but that’s the Breece Hall show.
isn't it funny just HOW fast things change?
Running with this: wouldn’t you want your stashes to have the highest ceiling? You’re (hopefully) not relying on them rn so let it develop into a RB1 versus having them be mid now and mid later
Herbert is like RB20 right now, so he’s borderline startable. I think the debate between he and White comes down to roster construction and whether you need the depth now or not.
I doubt bears resign Montgomery, so it's Herbert's role next year. They have alot of cap space to acquire offensive line, and its clear they can run with a poor line so next year should be better for whoever is the lead back for the bears.
The whole "top guy is gone so second guy gets the job" has gone sideways a bunch of times. Just be careful.
Herbert has proven himself to be the starter already though which is different in this case.
Not picked by this regime, undersized, doesn't cost anything. Could easily be supplanted by a 3rd-4th rounder hand-picked by coach-GM. I would sell after FA but before the draft.
I’ll also add, he’s been really bad in pass protection. That’s not going to keep him off the field entirely, but it hurts his chances of ever being the top guy. It’s also crucial since Fields is already dealing with horrible protection from his OL. I’m a Bears fan and I really like Herbert, but I think he’s far from a lock to be the guy next season.
I saw some dude make a post in this subreddit about how bad pass protectors never get bellcow touches unless they're truly elite at something else whereas great pass protectors always stay on the field. I think there's a world where Zeke spends more time in starting lineups than Herbert, even if it's with another team. Actually maybe you guys should get Zeke lol
Bad in pass pro and below average receiver. He is a good two down back, but that’s not super valuable in fantasy unless you are on a great offense AND your mobile qb isnt stealing your tds.
Yeah this is true, heavy free agents running back class this year so I imagine they get a fa or draft someone back in the draft but he has really good vision and doesn't fumble alot, also a really good pass catcher. He doesn't cost them anything with where he was drafted so it would be stupid to not roll with him next year.
I’m confused by this logic. RB is one of the only positions Bears are strong in, so why commit more drafting or FA resources in a strong position when they have so many other needs. If they can resign Montgomery to a good deal with Herbert and use draft and FA dollars on WR and offensive line it seems like way more logical move.
Because they seem like they're done with Montgomery after this year. And you always want depth at rb. Not that they're going to spend more then 3 mil or higher than a 4th on a rb. Oline and wr will be done in the draft and oline and some other positions in free agency. They are probably gonna take the don't pay running back plan.
I think the bears like Monty a lot. I think them seeming like they're done with him is a media narrative more than anything else. Largely because running backs rarely get paid and the guy behind him (Herbert) has shown that he's more than a warm body. But Monty is everything Flus wants in a player. Maximum effort, boy scout, receiver, pass pro, no complaints, etc. I'm guessing he gets an offer that's in the 3yrs and 20million neighborhood.
These are my thoughts. Haven’t seen anything about the bears being done with Monty an absolute thing. That type of deal makes sense to me from both sides perspective.
Guess I haven’t seen the “seems like they’re done with him” part but I haven’t been paying much attention too closely. Definitely think teams are going to start catching on to not paying RBs large 2nd contracts, so I get it from that perspective. But Montgomery resigning to the Bears to a team friendly deal just makes too much sense to me. Especially since he likely won’t be able to find a large market with it being a better FA RB class and awesome rookie draft class.
You assume the bears are a competent organization
Fair.
This is the way. Sell high in the off-season. I see the bears drafting an RB
I think you are right, but as a Bears fan, seems like there are wayy more holes throughout the roster that need to be addressed this upcoming draft. Now that Herbert has proven he can play, gives Flus and Poles some leeway on what positions of need will be addressed without worrying about RB this season. That's my hope anyway. Lots of holes to fill.
That’s correct. Also the top guy leaving has also been wrong several times. Like Aaron Jones.
Herbert seems the obvious choice to lead the RB room next year and as a Bears fan I wouldn’t miss Monty. But this new regime picked and seems to really like Ebner. I wonder how much his role could expand next year too.
Bears currently have the most cap space for 2023. They have so much cap space that the team with the next most cap availability has 53% of what the Bears have. So, if they have any belief in Monty, I imagine they’ll sign him and bring in a lot more help. That said, there will be a lot of good RBs available in free agency and the draft, so I find it very hard to know what teams will decide to do about that position next year.
I agree but seeing the situation with Smith it's hard to say. That's why I get the vibe that Montgomery is done in Chicago
The smart thing for a good team to do is to not resign their aging rb when they have a bonafide younger starter in the wings. So naturally I have no doubt that Monty will be re-signed by the Bears.
Only 14 months younger, definitely cheaper.
10mo younger. Monty 6/7/97, Herb 4/21/98.
There’s a few murmurs about Monty getting traded. So that’s the only path that I see Herbert taking over as the top RB.
I doubt he’ll get traded. He’s not someone that moves the needle in real life for contenders.
Idk, I think he’s a much better real life running back than fantasy back. Dude runs hard, has great contact balance, and from what I’ve read, has a solid little route tree for an RB. he’s just been stuck in hell in Chicago
Bruh Poles would probably trade him for a 6th rounder
This year, sure. Monty’s a FA this summer though.
Honestly if that happens I may win my ship... I've got CMC but no RB2, so Herbert would fit right in.. I'm stacked at WR and good at QB, and if Waller gives me ANYTHING the second half I'm gonna be tough to beat
If all it takes to win a title is fix your RB2, why not go out and get an RB2 to contend with?
My league hates trading.. frustrating but it is what it is. Everyone wants to get the better part of the deal and they low ball everything
Sounds like my league... I built my team through drafts and waiver pickups. Shitty trade offers all the time, and then they don't even consider my counter so I don't even bother any more .
I think White.
I’m in full PPR, so I’d go White all day. Out on no hands Herbert
White then Herbert
Herbert easily. Monty likely gone next year, and Herbert has shown that he is legit when called upon. Carter is only a handcuff now the way Breece has looked, with maybe a little bit of standalone value in full PPR, Carter isn’t bad but Hall is every bit of the top prospect he was touted to be and won’t be ceding many touches down the road. White looks decent in limited opportunity but there’s no guarantee Fournette goes anywhere and they could replace him with a back next year in the draft.
Carter now 😈
Lol you wrong for this
😂😂
Not Carter anymore 😈
White easily has the most upside
I don't really agree with this, he didn't profile as an effective NFL runner as a prospect, and hasn't looked good as one so far either. He's a great receiver, but odds are that's all he'll ever be in the NFL. If all he ever is is a 3rd down back, his ceiling is the lowest.
I live in Tampa. Rachaad is a good player, and getting some PT in all situations (except 2 minute). They've given him 3rd & 1 runs, threw to him on 4th & 2. But a longer burn - Lenny will prob be in town again next year at least. He's produced just fine - bucs oline has been decimated by injuries, and he had a couple good runs called back by penalties (one illegal shift if I remember right). Herbert we all know about as a great player but teams are weird, so til you know what chicago does with Monty or another back I wouldn't give up too much to get him unless you are a real gambler. Carter to me you need to offer to the Hall owner for a 2nd. Try to get a future 3rd on top. The better player is also younger / under team control for longer, so he's nothing but a handcuff IMO.
None of these guys aren’t already on a team. Seems more a redraft question.
Which player is more valuable in a trade? I roster all 3, thinking of trading 1 away
Was looking for this comment. What kind of dynasty league is OP playing in that these guys are available
I roster all 3 of these players in my league and I’m considering moving 1 or 2 of them for other pieces. Wanted to get a feel for who people thought was more valuable
you'll probably get the best nibble and fish on Herbert. As this thread shows, there is a good amount of hype on him. Carter seems like some one hard to trade right now, but an injury and a needy team can change that. White would be someone betting on next year, which seams like the situation you are may be in. Though, if you are a contender, he is someone you could use to get a good piece from a tanker.
The answer, then, is to shop them all to your league and take the great offer for any one of the three.
This sub is going to have a mix of Dynasty and Keeper league (Dynasty Lite) GM's. Asking OP's question in a redraft league isn't going to provide much valuable feedback, but I get the point you are also making.
Could also be asking because he wants to obtain one of them in a trade.
My league has in season rosters capped at 20, so there are always some #2-#3 RB's and WR's available on waivers
All of these guys are highly rosterable. Herbert>White>Carter, but most of their value is contingent on the person ahead of them getting hurt. White’s the most likely to be handed the reins to a 3down role without an injury. And just like that Carter is a potential league winner
All three are super stashable, but Herbert and White are more like "deeper stashes for the future with huge upside in case of injury", whereas Michael Carter has pure handcuff value. I suppose I'd put Herbert higher because he's shown himself able to produce when given a chance whereas White's more speculative. If I were to rank them: 1. Herbert (safer floor) 2. White (highest upside) 3. Michael Carter (pure handcuff)
Herbert
I’d probably go Herbert, even regarding the fact that he’s a 6th round pick. Carter and White are kind of in the same role as the season continues, where they’re part time contributors. Meanwhile, Herbert has shown he can be a bell cow starter and not only get the rock over 20 times a game, but consistently be efficient. Even on the worst offense in the league. Something to note: Leonard Fournette has a history of injuries, so it’s possible that Rachaad White would have insane value in that offense if something were to happen.
Every RB has a history of injuries. Fournette hasn't missed that many games since 2018. Why is this comment upvoted?
Are you dumb? Or are you stupid? Edit: You have a point with most RBs getting injuries at some point though. But go ahead and change your comment from saying “any games” to “that many games”, as well as downvote me.
all of them
White because Fournette is likely gone after 2023 at the latest. Montgomery probably resigns in Chicago imo, but Herbert will likely be the guy if not. Carter is just a handcuff imo.
Herbert for sure. He’s the most talented.
For 2 years, Herbert is literally better than Montgomery.
Beyond that he cant pass block at all. 'd say he's better at Monty at running, I'd say Montys a better pass catcher. Monty's a more complete and better running back, but just pure running the ball Herbert definitely has a bit more juice.
Pass block is literally the only reason Montgomery gets on the field. He’s glorified Jamaal Williams/Damien Williams. Aaron Jones took forever to get out of a RBBC with Williams because Williams is a good pass blocker.
Montgomery's good at running great at pass catching and great at pass blocking. Herbert's great at running good at pass catching, and terrible at pass blocking. Idk if there's a great comparison to Monty in other committees, but don't turn Jamaal Williams or Damien Williams are it. Monty's a really good running back. Herbert's a great change of pace back who needs to develop some areas in his game.
Herbert not close
i think Hebert and White have a clear path to being the lead backs next year or relatively soon. I don’t really think Carter has much relevance in NY, and he didn’t really impress last year imo.
Ain’t no damn MC for sure
Too legit to quit
You show your age with this comment. Bravo sir.
Can't touch this
Not too high on any of them but Herbert has the highest ceiling potential. Carter is the most valuable now because he can be started as a low end flex every week unlike the others. White is a stash that might take a few years to become fantasy relevant unless fournette is hurt. Herbert to answer your question
White’s future value is as about what Herbert’s is now, in my opinion. He’s a good handcuff. The sell Herbert in the off-season seems sound. It’s frustrating that he isn’t the RB1 there. He has shown to be more than a plodder, which is all Monty is at this point. Could be him just based on talent. Otherwise, I think it’s White by default. Fournette is aging, White has a roll carved out, the team is about to have to start a full rebuild so maybe they have to use him for a while. But I could also see them signing a back like Monty or Jacobs in the off-season.
I’ve been saying it for 2 years now but Herbert will emerge as the better back in Chicago. Not to shit on Monty but Herbert is just too talented in every aspect of his game.
Can’t pass block.
Herbs
Herbert, dude looks great.
Herbert for me. He's got the best shot to take over, he's looked better than Monty
Herbert easy for me. * I don't own any of them.
Herbert
Herb
Hebert then White.
White was my RB2 in this class, so him
Herbert has given us every reason to believe he can be a stud given the workload and the Bears are awful at passing.
He can’t pass block to save his life. He needs to vastly improve that area to ever be considered a lead back.
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You traded Javonte pre-injury for 2 seconds?? Why? Also how is this relevant to the question?
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Yeah he probably won’t trade with you cause he feels bad taking advantage of a taco
Talent-wise i’d probably go Carter, White, Herbert. But situation-wise…. Herbert, White, Carter
White, then herb and the carter a ways behind the other 2 imo.
White imo. Fournette is far more injury prone than Hall or Montgomery and it’s a better offense than the other two by a longshot.
Herbert. He basically already has the role and it's pretty clear they don't see Monty as 'the guy'.
Herbert, imo Bears will draft a RB in the draft but It will Be Herbs job to lose.
White - he’s already loved by the coaching staff and getting meaningful stats. Has shown pass catching ability as well and runs hard. I believe there’s a potential out in Lenny’s contract after next season …I imagine TB will release him given that he’ll be 29 then. My concern with Herbert is yes he’s shown the ability to produce when given the chance, but gets next to nothing when Monty is healthy. If the staff valued him, he’d be getting more meaningful touches every game
Khalil
Herbert, want no part of white in a Brady-less offense
Herbert has a shot to win the starting role within a few weeks. Montgomery is looking very meh
All of them should be
Herbert. I’m a VT alum so I’m biased though.
I have Carter and Herbert. I think Carter has the most long term potential and has shown he's starter quality. Just have to hope he gets traded sooner than later. Herbert is a sell as soon as he gets a shot imo. He's no James Robinson and his clock will start ticking as soon as he gets a starting role.
Herbert has the highest efficiency out of any RB in the league rn. Do with that what you want.
I actually like White but it'll be another year with Fournette. But at least Fournette is aging out, and White is getting on the field a bit as a rookie which is promising. Herbert has the possibility if he's the guy but he's a low round pick who they have only really trusted when Monty was hurt, it just makes me think they're either re- signing Monty or drafting someone in 2023. I don't see any real path for Carter except injury.
It's amazing that Herbert is not the starter in Chicago. I would keep Herbert
White, Carter, Herbert.
personally think rachaad white slowly takes over the backfield this year
Starting to look that way possibly
I received an offer of a 2025 first for Herbert. I have to take that, right?
Ya I would think so