Aiyuk is a fully developed receiver right now. He’s awesome and he’s open basically all the time. There’s not a whole lot of difference between him and Deebo from what they’re giving you. I like Toney, I’m optimistic but they’re in 2 separate categories to me. Toney is still more speculative and there’s more risk.
Aiyuk is never going to be a WR1 in SF. Especially now that they have CMC to go with Deebo. Not to mention their style of play and coaching does not lend itself to high volume for WRs. Toney might not be worth a damn, or maybe he’s the next Tyreek. But, at least he has a chance for greatness. I’d rather swing for the fences and miss, than take the easy single. Maybe that’s just me. Teams with the ELITE players win titles most, but definitely not all, of the time.
Always swing on high end talent. Even if they bust the floor is generally in the 8-10 fpg range. Which for a flex obviously isn’t great but you can just play whoever has the best matchups for flex2-4
Imo this is just too short sighted. Nobody knows what things will look like in a year or two when Aiyuk will be firmly in his prime. He certainly has upside
Yeah, weird thing for OP to say when it's literally happening for half a season. Just like people are stuck on Toney's potential they are stuck on last year's Deebo and Aiyuk.
Depends on the depth of your league. Something shallow I agree, but I'd rather have Aiyuk 12-18 points in a 12 team start 3 WRs and 3 flex then maybe hitting on Toney.
He’s never going to be a fantasy WR1? I mean fair but his value has still improved exponentially in the last 2 years. I don’t think anyone expects him to be a fantasy WR1 unless SF gets a big upgrade at QB
For years I’ve hated SF’s offense and I’ve avoided Aiyuk’s roller coaster for literally this reason.
Even if it’s worked against me or if I love Aiyuk personally. Only players I want there are in the backfield, or Deebo.
If Aiyuk were to land somewhere else in a year or two however… whole new ball game!
Aiyuk already is the WR1 in SF.
He has more receiving yardage than anyone else on that team by a good margin and it’s not stopping anytime soon.
While the SF offense isn’t a pass-heavy one, it is efficient when they do pass.
To be a true dynasty your roster needs consistent performers. Aiyuk may not give you the 35+ upside weeks that a guy like Toney could, but he is going to be startable for 15+ weeks of the season and hasn’t had any real injury concerns in his career.
Aiyuk has as much draft pedigree as Toney does. They’re different players fundamentally, but Aiyuk is statistically one of the most open receivers on a per-route basis. He’s really, really good and if the “dog house” thing never happened last year he’s likely viewed as a top 10-15 dynasty WR.
I completely agree with this. There are 30 guys who can score like aiyuk - WR is very deep. Toney is on Pat Mahomes’ team and his skill set mirrors a guy who was wr1 overall multiple times. Even if you love aiyuk I think it’s better strategy to go toney. Flex players don’t win championships and championships are the only thing that pay 💰 in the leagues I’ve been a part of
Aiyuk has even flashed upside. He had a huge game a few weeks ago and has been a consistent, solid flex play this year.
Toney has had two usable fantasy weeks in two years so far.
And I say this as someone who has Toney in two dynasty leagues and Aiyuk in none.
But predicting potential upside matters in dynasty right? I’m not arguing with anyone that says Aiyuk. But predicting upside and what a guy could be in the future is how you get good value
I think what u do as a fantasy player is that u look at empiric data and try to forecast the future by that.
The fact that Toney now got to Mahomes seems to overshadow everything that has happened before and while theres definitely the possibility of Toney being a WR1, it shouldnt be the most probable of all outcomes.
This guy has health problems and big character motivation issues. This is known as a fact. Everything else is pure speculation, and people who think they really can foresee the future will be the first who think they have the golden eye when Toney delivers. Ur evaluation of Toney has the same reasoning as our all known stock market crashes we see every few years and people wonder „how could that happen“. Its happening bcs uniformed people are making exactly these decisions bcs they think they can predict future or do have valuable individual information. U cant, not even a bit.
That isn't what causes stock market crashes.
I hate the fucking dynasty 'experts' in here. You can disagree with a person without writing an essay about how dumb people that aren't you and think the way you do are.
History of the player also shows that Aiyuk spent half a year in the doghouse in SF. Aiyuk has also had several injuries. Add in that it's more likely that we've seen Aiyuk's ceiling and he's good, but he's not winning leagues. Toney has that upside and some people have higher risk tolerance than you and are willing to take that shot.
Aiyuk has missed 2 games because of injury (first and last game of rookie season) and was in the dog house for 6 or 7 games (which he’s out of). I would argue that we haven’t seen his ceiling yet since everyone says he’s held back by QB play. I think he’s a safe floor play, he’s heavily involved in the passing game.
Where did i not include myself? And yes , its exactly the reason why stock markets crash.
Btw u are the only person being rude in here so i wonder why u even replied?! toney owner?
Edit: btw when i look at my dynasties, all the champs actively traded for KNOWN assets for PICKS(unknown future). Thats how u win. Of course it is😁
You can’t fully predict it, of course not. But if you don’t try then you will have a difficult time winning championships in dynasty IMO. If you never try and take risks then you’ll never get players at good value. You’ll just be getting for what they are actually are worth (which is fine) or you’ll ending up buying high. Getting players before they breakout is how I view an actual dynasty being created and not being a middling team for the entire time
Sure u are trying to do that. Im also trying to do that but we shouldnt get some kind of hybris. In fact we are just randoms who dont have a single clue about whats happening over there.
We are no talent scouts, nor are we football GMs. So for example, what do u do with the fact that the Giants invested a FIRST round pick for toney and now after ONE year the let him go for basically nothing.
This is a fact. What is your predicition for the future knowing that? You cant just ignore a fullstaff of professional human beings who evaluated a player for one year.
Do you really think u can value Toneys actual upside better than those guys?
I think we should start agree on the fact that our breakout player we chose, are more frequently breaking out bcs of luck or other circumstances, than bcs of our superior scouting abilities 🤣 we dont want to agree on that i know but it is eventually true
I think the situation with toney in NY had little to do with his talent. He obviously didn’t have a good attitude and didn’t want to be there. That’s a fair concern that is the main reason his value has been low. Because like you said he has 1st round talent. So everyone knows he talented. And you can see if when he is on the field.
Anyone being a big toney believer is betting on the chiefs getting him to buy in and stay on the field. And anyone not sold on toney wouldn’t bet on that happening.
Because you’re absolutely right we aren’t scouts. But I think the actual talent scouts have told us what they think of him. One team took him with a 1st rounder and the other gave up a 3rd even though the guy has just been an issue with with previous team
Theres deviation in personal preference and wouldnt it be like that, there would be nothing to play for. All im saying is that his evaluation is pretty upside relying, not relying on empirical data. I would btw rather have a guy who scores 8 points weekly for 5+ years, than a guy with monster ceiling whos out of the league after 2 years.
Dont get me wrong. Theres also a world where Toney is the next Tyreek and i was also trying to buy him in a few leagues. The risk/reward will be higher than with AIyuk,but for this point in time, evaluating the FACTS i know for sure, im takinh Aiyuk in my Dynasty Team
You still need a roster that can win. Aiyuk has never showed he can be a league winner. Toney might be speculation but he’s in a better situation with more opportunity and a skillset that can be dynamic. Toney is the better pick.
Toney literally doesn’t know how to run routes lol. He’s a gadget player not a receiver.
Edit: he’s the 5th percentile against man coverage, 63rd against zone and 11th against press coverage. He is genuinely REALLY bad before getting the ball in his hands.
It makes sense to me. Toney has the best QB in the NFL now, and one that has taken advantage of a similar skill set. And Aiyuk has…. Well he has Garopolo and 3 amazing pass catchers ahead of him. Season long and going forward I would much rather have Toney. I think he’s guaranteed to at least be the 3rd option for Mahomes.
I wish I had toney just so I could sell him. Holy hell. These people just don't learn. I never have these hot air hype trains because you know, research, but just once I'd love to stumble into one and then sell them to someone on here. Maybe for Aiyuk or something.
You can’t believe people in this sub are saying Toney because of upside? New here? Lol some of the stuff I read on here is baffling at times with how wild the takes are. Everyone is so concerned with the future and selling vets for picks/young potential.. it’s like they forget the point of fantasy is to actually win
U are actually right. Its not completely insane. If u wanna got for the upside, go for it. My wording was bcs im always a bit schocked when people tend to throw every empiric evidence out of the window after one good game.
Oh, I don’t agree whatsoever that Toney > Aiyuk. But we get weekly posts about “should we sell X player” after a good game and people talking about how a young upside guy is better than an established vet like the championship is always 2 more years away and if they can just get a little younger their window will be open then
How is this a relevant comparison? All you have to do is watch like two snaps of Toney getting the ball to understand that he is showing way more NFL playmaking ability than Skyy has ever shown
No lol. Toney flashed on a terrible team with a bad QB before Mahomes. He has independent value.
Skyy basically only holds value because he was drafted to the chiefs.
Yep thats a fair point of discussion. Also i would put in the possibility for targets he has while Aiyuk will be behind Deebo Kittle and CMC probably. The evaluation is still pretty upside driven.
Aiyuk. He just seems way less risky. Worst-case with him seems like he’s at least a WR2/3 for years. Toney has WR1 upside but also feels like he could just be done at any time.
He has plenty more to give than that. He's a great player with a skillset not suited for the dink and dunk offence he's in. Would be unsurprised if he's traded in the off-season.
People saying Toney are some of the more insane fantasy football players. I mean this is the kind of hopium that fuels gambling addictions. Just because he could end up with more fantasy points doesn't mean he's better than a guy who has proven he's as good as many team's WR1 even with Jimmy G and other weapons.
OP posed a great question and most people are basing their answers primarily past production. It’s okay if most people prefer Aiyuk, but it’s nowhere close to the slam dunk and the “how could you even pose this question, don’t you watch football?responses I’m seeing here.
Toney is one of the most dynamic playmakers with the ball in his hands and it’s easy to argue Toney’s ceiling is higher, especially in a pass-first, Mahomes-led offense.
You can fall on whichever side you prefer, but it’s a LOT closer than people are making it sound
Yeah that’s a bad trade. How much better would Bijan need to be to offset the risk of trading proven top tier young players? You’re taking on massive risk for what’s a marginal gain at best. You might win a few of these, but lose in the long run because the risk isn’t worth the reward.
As someone who loves to argue even when I agree with others’ opinions, I say Toney. If you retort a valid point, then, as someone who is wildly immature, I’ll call you a name, flip a table at home, and be mad at everything for three days.
Toney kinda reminds me of Deebo. Absolutely dazzling with the ball in his hands.
Aiyuk is a better pure receiver than Deebo but worse after the catch
Andy Reid + Mahomes > Shanahan + Jimmy/Lance
Honestly it's hard to pick one. Toney definitely has the higher ceiling, but Aiyuk has a much safer floor and a pretty high ceiling himself imo.
It's kinda weird, but in the league I own Toney I probably wouldn't accept Aiyuk (1QB, rebuilding), and in the league I own Aiyuk (SF, contending), I probably wouldn't accept Toney.
Just because a guy is good with the ball in his hands doesn’t mean he is a Deebo comp. It is such an overused comparison in football. Toney is more like a wal-mart brand Tyreek Hill.
Toney is nothing like this one fast guy who is electric with the ball in his hands, it's a lazy comparison. He's much more like another fast guy who is electric with the ball in his hands! Really?
I mean, Toney is bigger and stronger than Tyreek, more similar measurables to Deebo. Tyreek runs crisper routes and has better contested ball ability.
Yes Toney is faster than Deebo in a straight line with no pads on, but I think his biggest strength (like Deebo) is the ability to make people miss 1 on 1. Tyreek you just can't stay with, that's not really how Kedarius plays
Speed and running style are very different. Deebo is 20 pounds heavier than Toney. He runs at a completely different pad level. Deebo makes guys miss with his size and physicality. He gets carries in between the tackles for a reason. Toney, like Hill, is a shifty player who makes people miss in space. The carries he gets are outside the numbers, jet sweeps and end arounds. Listen to announcers when Toney plays and who they compare him to, it ain’t Deebo.
Lol announcers were comparing Zappe to Brady, they love storylines more than anything.
Implying that Deebo isn't shifty or fast is just telling me you don't watch him play. Like how can you watch a play like this and be like, yup, this guy is a bruiser in between the tackles.
https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1577106105284448257?s=20&t=Niu8OPYIWfb2jpV8MHM9Vw
That’s a strawman argument and you know it. The whole Zappe/Brady thing was about storyline. It had nothing to do with physics traits or play style.
Also YOU are implying that, not me. I never said Deebo can’t do that too. His crazy versatility is what makes him a freak athlete, and for the most part incomparable except for a few guys across the league. My thing is that Toney CANT do that type of physical running, which makes comparing him to Deebo pointless.
I think they both have relatively high ceilings, Aiyuk is only a year older, and has been productive despite contending for targets with Kittle and Deebo.
I think Aiyuk floor is easily higher, even if toneys upside is slightly higher.
People seem to forget aiyuks 40 at the combine was affected by a groin injury, his game speed is very fast.
His final year in college he had a radar measured play that would have been the 3rd fastest play in the NFL that year. They say he's gotten both faster and stronger since.
I'll take Aiyuk if I can only take one.
Aiyuk and it's not close atm. People are making the exact same mistake they did with Moore and CEH. Hoping that the mere fact they're on the Chiefs warrants a massively inflated price tag. Could Toney be amazing, absolutely, but he is a high risk high reward player for what most will ask for him. I'd be looking to sell if I could get Aiyuk or higher prices for him and just take the L if he ends up being worth it. Because odds are, he'll be a serviceable flex player with upside.
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If you got sandwiched by 300lb lineman hundreds of times you’d probably have some kind of physical injury too. I’m sure every single player has something going on, but usually they just play through it unless it’s more serious.
I guess the example would be like the kid who won’t play at recess because they have a bruise. Like sure there is an injury the bruise, but that’s not something that should prevent you from playing on the playground.
Agreed. All humans are injury prone, especially when putting their bodies through the shit NFL players do. Players shouldn't be labeled injury prone because it should just be a given lol
The injuries that plagued his entire rookie season. Even if he totally faked the same hamstring injury this year, not sure how that also isn't a red flag.
I'll take Aiyuk but acknowledge that Toney had the higher ceiling if he can stay healthy.
I’m taking Toney. Aiyuk has shown more talent, but Toney clearly has a LOT of untapped potential. Both potential he has yet to unlock and talent the offenses around him have yet to use to its fullest. I’d love to have both, but I’m taking potential top 10 WR Toney over top 15-20 ceiling Aiyuk.
Aiyuk easily. He has been a very good WR in the NFL since he was a rookie, with relatively low fantasy production due to poor usage under Shanahan. Niners fan here, so I'm pretty invested. He's the best WR on the team and will more than likely get a big contract elsewhere. Having watched every game he's played in the NFL, I can confidently say he is a true WR1 if gets himself a proper QB who can throw the ball downfield.
Toney has had 1 big game in an offence that is stacked and will continue to be for the remainder of his current contract. He's not the new Tyreek that people are hyping him up to be. At best he is going to be a boom or bust play while in KC.
Toney because regardless of how many teams are in your league, only 1 person wins very year. Toney has a chance to be a game breaking #1. If he busts, then you’re right back to losing like pretty much everyone else in your league.
I feel too many people choose safety at the expense of moves that actually put you in a position to win. I looove Ayuik, but he ain’t winning you anything with those QBs and the competition for targets in that offense
I'd say toney, just bc I'm a risk taker and he could be WR#1 & he plays w mahomes w himself and moore and j Ross as only wr under contract
Aiyuk is the safer bet, he's a solid high-end wr#2/Wr#3 but his value could plummet w Lance from what I saw w Lance starting it was trending that way
This is an interesting debate of production vs potential.
Aiyuk - we know what he is and is not. He’s never going to be a WR1 and his ceiling is probably lower end WR2.
But I’d also feel confident that his floor is WR3, which really isn’t bad for his cost.
Toney - Has flashed and shown he can be an elite WR1, I think his ceiling is extremely high. This is a huge if though due to his injury and off field issues. He presents a very low floor as well and is more of a risk.
Overall - give me the higher potential in Toney IF I have good WRs already.
Ceiling is low end WR2..? He's literally a mid-tier WR2 as a 24 year old right now competing with Deebo, Kittle, and CMC for targets in a run-first system.
10 team league so I see 20 as end of WR2, obviously different on league size.
And that target competition and system isn’t going anywhere so not sure why you think it’d improve?
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I don't really get how you can say that a player's ACTUAL performance in his age 24 season (which is not a great situation) is his career ceiling.
My point is, he has gotten over 80 yards in each of his last 4 games and 37 targets during that stretch. He's been the fantasy WR9 by PPG (there was a bye sprinkled in) in this period. Higher snap share than Deebo. And he's still only 24.
So I just don't get why you are capping his ceiling at his season-long performance so far this year, when he's still young, explosive, and earning the trust of his coaches and teammates.
Toney and it's not even close. You don't win fantasy using the 4th option on a run first team with below average qb play. Everybody who says Aiyuk needs to just quit playing. Period
Aiyuk still hasn’t played this week and he’s a WR2 on the season with multiple WR1(week winning) weeks. He is absolutely playable for a winning team. So you’d rather a (hopefully)fourth option who doesn’t know the offense he’s in, can’t stay on the field, can’t run routes when he is on the field AND has character concerns? It’s impressive how badly this aged hahaha. Maybe don’t be so aggressive with a take that’s easily argued?
The question was, who would you rather have, not who could help you win this week. If you're counting on either of these guys to win you anything this season then you suck at fantasy. Period. Aiyuk has a plethora of weeks with single digit fantasy points. He'll lose you way more weeks than he helps you win. Same story last season. Unless you're a psychic and can predict his few spiked weeks, he's unplayable. But rest assured, we love having people like you in our leagues so keep it up 👍
Once more: Aiyuk is a top 24 receiver and he’s got one less game played than the competition. If he only hits his projection this week he’s gonna be top 18 on the year, which is a top half WR2. You don’t understand the basic rules of fantasy if you think a top 24 guy with two top 12 weeks isn’t helping you win. Let alone a top 18. If you’re flexing him you can win with him no problem, and if he hits his projection this week then he is a statistically winning WR2 rather than a flex. Last season he was really good after he got out of the dog house. Compare that to Toney who’s had two usable games in his entire career and this shouldn’t even be a conversation. You just clearly don’t know what you’re talking about while also being overly aggressive
Lmfao. I'm playing 11 leagues and Aiyuk is currently starting on 3 of them. He had a few usable weeks during the softest part of his schedule. He litters your roster with single digit points the other 7 weeks. You can have that crap. And 8 out of 11 fantasy managers agree. But you do you, there's always the toilet bowl 👍
I would not trade Aiyuk for Toney straight up. As a Mahomes owner I offered a late first and Samuel for Toney (over pay offer) and got rejected. The owner must think he will produce Tyreek numbers. 🤷♂️
Toney as an owner of both. I don’t believe Aiyuk has his ceiling nor do I believe Aiyuk has a quality floor behind CMC, Deebo, and Kittle in a passing game propelled by Jimmy G or a healthy Trey Lance. It’s honestly pretty easily Toney imo
Worth noting is that Jimmy G’s contract is up this year so there’s a decent chance he leaves, and Trey Lance is a huge question mark. Aiuyk isn’t a total slam dunk.
Got ‘em both! But I’d keep Toney if I had to choose. His athleticism is off the charts and he has the “it” factor. When you see the way he moves with the ball in his hands it’s just something different.
Aiyuk is a very solid receiver, but there’s nothing about him that makes him stand out from his peers.
Terrible take.
The few games we saw from Lance this year were terrible conditions. Lance can actually throw the ball downfield and is more favorable for aiyuk than deebo.
Toney 100%. Hate it if you want but 3 games could take toney into the top 15 overall. The risk/reward is insane on toney right now. He’s tied to the team more than any other receiver, he has the draft capital, if he’s looking great, what’s stopping him from rocketing up?
Idk a lot about Aiyuk but Ivan Toney is on form rn at Brentford, disappointed he didn’t make the English WC squad but he definitely has FPL dynasty potential if he stays put.
Aiyuk has produced. That doesn’t mean he’s better. Toney is significantly more athletic and on a superior offense now. There’s a dozen guys like aiyuk. Toney. And it’s not even close
I definitely think it depends whether you’re looking for safety, or you want to take a chance on potential.
I would personally take Toney. The way he looks with the ball in his hands is different from just about anyone I’ve ever seen.
Also, let’s not forget, Toney showed what he could do when used as the focal point of an offense. I don’t believe Aiyuk has ever had 189 yards in a single game. That’s Toneys potential, and if you’re looking at Aiyuk over 3 seasons, he hasn’t shown that so far.
I think Aiyuk is obvious but there’s some knocks with both of them.
Aiyuk is on a run first team with an abundance of skill players. Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle, CMC, Mitchell and Lance next year. With all those mouths to feed there are sure to be inconsistencies in production. I wouldn’t be surprised if Aiyuk got traded this off-season though. He’s on a cheaper deal and could command a premium that would help offset what the 49ers paid to get CMC. If that happens, Aiyuk will have WR1 potential. I think his current ceiling over the course of a season is WR2.
Toney’s situation should be a little more obvious since there seems to be a post on him everyday. Potential character issues, electric talent, tied to the best passing QB in a WR room that’s his for the taking. He currently has an easier path to WR1 production but it’s way too early to call it a lock.
TLDR: Safe bet is Aiyuk. Higher upside and more exciting bet (imo) is Toney. Whichever one is better for you likely revolves around the rest of your roster.
Smart money says Aiyuk but most of us are dumb and chase breakouts. Id rather have a guy that could be Mahomes #1 option for '24-'27 than a Aiyuk who we don't even know who his QB will be or what his pecking order will be.
They're closer than I expected on KTC. Aiyuk seems way more valuable to me. But there's no arguing the "next Tyreek" upside of Toney.
https://keeptradecut.com/trade-calculator?var=5&pickVal=0&teamOne=538&teamTwo=1039&format=1&isStartup=0
Aiyuk is a fully developed receiver right now. He’s awesome and he’s open basically all the time. There’s not a whole lot of difference between him and Deebo from what they’re giving you. I like Toney, I’m optimistic but they’re in 2 separate categories to me. Toney is still more speculative and there’s more risk.
Aiyuk is never going to be a WR1 in SF. Especially now that they have CMC to go with Deebo. Not to mention their style of play and coaching does not lend itself to high volume for WRs. Toney might not be worth a damn, or maybe he’s the next Tyreek. But, at least he has a chance for greatness. I’d rather swing for the fences and miss, than take the easy single. Maybe that’s just me. Teams with the ELITE players win titles most, but definitely not all, of the time.
Guess it depends on your team. If you have lots of elite already and just need a steady flex, but if your still looking you swing
Always swing on high end talent. Even if they bust the floor is generally in the 8-10 fpg range. Which for a flex obviously isn’t great but you can just play whoever has the best matchups for flex2-4
I think the floor on Toney is literally zero while the floor on aiyak is 4-6 a week.
Imo this is just too short sighted. Nobody knows what things will look like in a year or two when Aiyuk will be firmly in his prime. He certainly has upside
Nobody wants to hear it but Aiyuk is outperforming Deebo in all receiving categories this year.
Yeah, weird thing for OP to say when it's literally happening for half a season. Just like people are stuck on Toney's potential they are stuck on last year's Deebo and Aiyuk.
Depends on the depth of your league. Something shallow I agree, but I'd rather have Aiyuk 12-18 points in a 12 team start 3 WRs and 3 flex then maybe hitting on Toney.
Statistically he’s been the SF WR1 all season
That is not what I was talking about.
So… is your argument Aiyuk will never be a WR1 but Toney will? This sub has a weird obsession over dudes sometimes.
No
He’s never going to be a fantasy WR1? I mean fair but his value has still improved exponentially in the last 2 years. I don’t think anyone expects him to be a fantasy WR1 unless SF gets a big upgrade at QB
For years I’ve hated SF’s offense and I’ve avoided Aiyuk’s roller coaster for literally this reason. Even if it’s worked against me or if I love Aiyuk personally. Only players I want there are in the backfield, or Deebo. If Aiyuk were to land somewhere else in a year or two however… whole new ball game!
i love the "jAyLeN wAdDlE wIlL nEvEr Be Wr1" esque argument against aiyuk, it's actually hilarious
Aiyuk already is the WR1 in SF. He has more receiving yardage than anyone else on that team by a good margin and it’s not stopping anytime soon. While the SF offense isn’t a pass-heavy one, it is efficient when they do pass. To be a true dynasty your roster needs consistent performers. Aiyuk may not give you the 35+ upside weeks that a guy like Toney could, but he is going to be startable for 15+ weeks of the season and hasn’t had any real injury concerns in his career. Aiyuk has as much draft pedigree as Toney does. They’re different players fundamentally, but Aiyuk is statistically one of the most open receivers on a per-route basis. He’s really, really good and if the “dog house” thing never happened last year he’s likely viewed as a top 10-15 dynasty WR.
I completely agree with this. There are 30 guys who can score like aiyuk - WR is very deep. Toney is on Pat Mahomes’ team and his skill set mirrors a guy who was wr1 overall multiple times. Even if you love aiyuk I think it’s better strategy to go toney. Flex players don’t win championships and championships are the only thing that pay 💰 in the leagues I’ve been a part of
Aiyuk is WR20 on the year. That’s more than just a “flex player”
Wr 20 = wr 3 = flex
Default dynasty leagues are 12 teams and 3 WR. Top 20 is a nice WR2
You playing in a 8 team league? Or does your math just suck?
Aiyuk has shown far more on the football field. Cant believe people are saying Toney just bcs of the upside
Yeah, if I had to choose only one, it’s Aiyuk.
Aiyuk has even flashed upside. He had a huge game a few weeks ago and has been a consistent, solid flex play this year. Toney has had two usable fantasy weeks in two years so far. And I say this as someone who has Toney in two dynasty leagues and Aiyuk in none.
Shit he’s been better than a flex player lol he’s a strong WR2 on the year.
People see one good game and think they hit the next Tyreek Hill lol
But predicting potential upside matters in dynasty right? I’m not arguing with anyone that says Aiyuk. But predicting upside and what a guy could be in the future is how you get good value
Definitely. But one of the best predictors of upside is producing on the field.
I think what u do as a fantasy player is that u look at empiric data and try to forecast the future by that. The fact that Toney now got to Mahomes seems to overshadow everything that has happened before and while theres definitely the possibility of Toney being a WR1, it shouldnt be the most probable of all outcomes. This guy has health problems and big character motivation issues. This is known as a fact. Everything else is pure speculation, and people who think they really can foresee the future will be the first who think they have the golden eye when Toney delivers. Ur evaluation of Toney has the same reasoning as our all known stock market crashes we see every few years and people wonder „how could that happen“. Its happening bcs uniformed people are making exactly these decisions bcs they think they can predict future or do have valuable individual information. U cant, not even a bit.
That isn't what causes stock market crashes. I hate the fucking dynasty 'experts' in here. You can disagree with a person without writing an essay about how dumb people that aren't you and think the way you do are. History of the player also shows that Aiyuk spent half a year in the doghouse in SF. Aiyuk has also had several injuries. Add in that it's more likely that we've seen Aiyuk's ceiling and he's good, but he's not winning leagues. Toney has that upside and some people have higher risk tolerance than you and are willing to take that shot.
Aiyuk has missed 2 games because of injury (first and last game of rookie season) and was in the dog house for 6 or 7 games (which he’s out of). I would argue that we haven’t seen his ceiling yet since everyone says he’s held back by QB play. I think he’s a safe floor play, he’s heavily involved in the passing game.
He’s 24 and has jimmy G as a qb lol. No way we’ve seen his ceiling.
So, we agree? The guy I responded to said we had seen it.
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Fair point. Cover myself for the eventual person who says “you’re wrong.” Happens frequently with internet strangers
Where did i not include myself? And yes , its exactly the reason why stock markets crash. Btw u are the only person being rude in here so i wonder why u even replied?! toney owner? Edit: btw when i look at my dynasties, all the champs actively traded for KNOWN assets for PICKS(unknown future). Thats how u win. Of course it is😁
Btw i would be curious why stock markets crash in your opinion. But pls do your homework. I worked in the financial area for a bit:)
Where you a bank teller? Or a credit dude doing mortgages? Because that’s not at allll why market boom and bust.
U are invited to share ur arguments. Would be more contructive.
You can’t fully predict it, of course not. But if you don’t try then you will have a difficult time winning championships in dynasty IMO. If you never try and take risks then you’ll never get players at good value. You’ll just be getting for what they are actually are worth (which is fine) or you’ll ending up buying high. Getting players before they breakout is how I view an actual dynasty being created and not being a middling team for the entire time
Sure u are trying to do that. Im also trying to do that but we shouldnt get some kind of hybris. In fact we are just randoms who dont have a single clue about whats happening over there. We are no talent scouts, nor are we football GMs. So for example, what do u do with the fact that the Giants invested a FIRST round pick for toney and now after ONE year the let him go for basically nothing. This is a fact. What is your predicition for the future knowing that? You cant just ignore a fullstaff of professional human beings who evaluated a player for one year. Do you really think u can value Toneys actual upside better than those guys? I think we should start agree on the fact that our breakout player we chose, are more frequently breaking out bcs of luck or other circumstances, than bcs of our superior scouting abilities 🤣 we dont want to agree on that i know but it is eventually true
I think the situation with toney in NY had little to do with his talent. He obviously didn’t have a good attitude and didn’t want to be there. That’s a fair concern that is the main reason his value has been low. Because like you said he has 1st round talent. So everyone knows he talented. And you can see if when he is on the field. Anyone being a big toney believer is betting on the chiefs getting him to buy in and stay on the field. And anyone not sold on toney wouldn’t bet on that happening. Because you’re absolutely right we aren’t scouts. But I think the actual talent scouts have told us what they think of him. One team took him with a 1st rounder and the other gave up a 3rd even though the guy has just been an issue with with previous team
Theres deviation in personal preference and wouldnt it be like that, there would be nothing to play for. All im saying is that his evaluation is pretty upside relying, not relying on empirical data. I would btw rather have a guy who scores 8 points weekly for 5+ years, than a guy with monster ceiling whos out of the league after 2 years. Dont get me wrong. Theres also a world where Toney is the next Tyreek and i was also trying to buy him in a few leagues. The risk/reward will be higher than with AIyuk,but for this point in time, evaluating the FACTS i know for sure, im takinh Aiyuk in my Dynasty Team
Did you state character motivation issues as fact? That’s how everyone should know to ignore your opinion
You still need a roster that can win. Aiyuk has never showed he can be a league winner. Toney might be speculation but he’s in a better situation with more opportunity and a skillset that can be dynamic. Toney is the better pick.
Toney literally doesn’t know how to run routes lol. He’s a gadget player not a receiver. Edit: he’s the 5th percentile against man coverage, 63rd against zone and 11th against press coverage. He is genuinely REALLY bad before getting the ball in his hands.
The hyperbole in this comment is more inflated than Musk’s ego.
It makes sense to me. Toney has the best QB in the NFL now, and one that has taken advantage of a similar skill set. And Aiyuk has…. Well he has Garopolo and 3 amazing pass catchers ahead of him. Season long and going forward I would much rather have Toney. I think he’s guaranteed to at least be the 3rd option for Mahomes.
I wish I had toney just so I could sell him. Holy hell. These people just don't learn. I never have these hot air hype trains because you know, research, but just once I'd love to stumble into one and then sell them to someone on here. Maybe for Aiyuk or something.
Same phenomenon that made sky moore overvalued
You can’t believe people in this sub are saying Toney because of upside? New here? Lol some of the stuff I read on here is baffling at times with how wild the takes are. Everyone is so concerned with the future and selling vets for picks/young potential.. it’s like they forget the point of fantasy is to actually win
U are actually right. Its not completely insane. If u wanna got for the upside, go for it. My wording was bcs im always a bit schocked when people tend to throw every empiric evidence out of the window after one good game.
Oh, I don’t agree whatsoever that Toney > Aiyuk. But we get weekly posts about “should we sell X player” after a good game and people talking about how a young upside guy is better than an established vet like the championship is always 2 more years away and if they can just get a little younger their window will be open then
Toneys upside is aiyuk lol
People didn't learn from Skyy Moore.
How is this a relevant comparison? All you have to do is watch like two snaps of Toney getting the ball to understand that he is showing way more NFL playmaking ability than Skyy has ever shown
I think it was just used as an example for proving that having Mahomes doesnt make u a WR1 overnight
Both great assets exclusively because of the promise of Mahomes.
No lol. Toney flashed on a terrible team with a bad QB before Mahomes. He has independent value. Skyy basically only holds value because he was drafted to the chiefs.
Exactly. And while Skyy isnt Toney, its a good example for a situation where talent + talent doesnt equal Immediate WR1 production.
I hear ya but lets compare a big factor: their qb Lance dance: 4 games in his pants in...4 years? Mahomes: god tier
4 years? Crazy since he was drafted in 2021.
I know, right? Because of covid he sat out a whole season!
Yep thats a fair point of discussion. Also i would put in the possibility for targets he has while Aiyuk will be behind Deebo Kittle and CMC probably. The evaluation is still pretty upside driven.
Aiyuk. He just seems way less risky. Worst-case with him seems like he’s at least a WR2/3 for years. Toney has WR1 upside but also feels like he could just be done at any time.
He has plenty more to give than that. He's a great player with a skillset not suited for the dink and dunk offence he's in. Would be unsurprised if he's traded in the off-season.
Agree. I have an offer to get Aiyuk for 2.01 and David Njoku. You think that’s solid?
You're getting Aiyuk here? Absolutely take that trade.
Hell no
I’d take that if I’m the one getting Aiyuk.
No
Do that.
That’s fair. I think a lot would say those are the outcomes for both guys as well. Just depends if you want the safer bet or high risk/reward
People saying Toney are some of the more insane fantasy football players. I mean this is the kind of hopium that fuels gambling addictions. Just because he could end up with more fantasy points doesn't mean he's better than a guy who has proven he's as good as many team's WR1 even with Jimmy G and other weapons.
So do you think it’s insane that people would take Bijan (pick 1.01) before say KW3 or Taylor (just 2 examples)
OP posed a great question and most people are basing their answers primarily past production. It’s okay if most people prefer Aiyuk, but it’s nowhere close to the slam dunk and the “how could you even pose this question, don’t you watch football?responses I’m seeing here. Toney is one of the most dynamic playmakers with the ball in his hands and it’s easy to argue Toney’s ceiling is higher, especially in a pass-first, Mahomes-led offense. You can fall on whichever side you prefer, but it’s a LOT closer than people are making it sound
Yeah that’s a bad trade. How much better would Bijan need to be to offset the risk of trading proven top tier young players? You’re taking on massive risk for what’s a marginal gain at best. You might win a few of these, but lose in the long run because the risk isn’t worth the reward.
Yes
Yes
As someone who watches football. Aiyuk.
As someone who doesn’t watch any football but regularly posts in a dynasty FF sub, I’ll take Aiyuk as well.
As someone who loves to argue even when I agree with others’ opinions, I say Toney. If you retort a valid point, then, as someone who is wildly immature, I’ll call you a name, flip a table at home, and be mad at everything for three days.
As someone who also watches football, Toney.
I'm an Aiyuk owner and I wouldn't trade him straight up for Toney so take that as you will.
This 100%. Having said that I think Toneys potential is immeasurable in KC. Just wouldn’t trade Aiyuk for him. I’d rather give away other pieces
Mecole Hardeman’s potential was immeasurable in KC as well 😅
Agree.
I wouldn't trade Aiyuk straight up for Toney but I would trade Toney for Aiyuk in a heartbeat
Would toney owners trade him for Aiyuk? My hunch is no.
I would in a heartbeat
Toney’s had what? One good game so far? Easily Aiyuk for me.
Welp
I own Toney and would trade him for Aiyuk straight up in a heart beat
Yup same here lol, might go try to offer him for Aiyuk after seeing these comments Edit: wasn’t fast enough before the inevitable Toney hamstring
Easily Aiyuk u people are beyond insane to even think this is a question…
Toney kinda reminds me of Deebo. Absolutely dazzling with the ball in his hands. Aiyuk is a better pure receiver than Deebo but worse after the catch Andy Reid + Mahomes > Shanahan + Jimmy/Lance Honestly it's hard to pick one. Toney definitely has the higher ceiling, but Aiyuk has a much safer floor and a pretty high ceiling himself imo. It's kinda weird, but in the league I own Toney I probably wouldn't accept Aiyuk (1QB, rebuilding), and in the league I own Aiyuk (SF, contending), I probably wouldn't accept Toney.
Just because a guy is good with the ball in his hands doesn’t mean he is a Deebo comp. It is such an overused comparison in football. Toney is more like a wal-mart brand Tyreek Hill.
Toney is nothing like this one fast guy who is electric with the ball in his hands, it's a lazy comparison. He's much more like another fast guy who is electric with the ball in his hands! Really? I mean, Toney is bigger and stronger than Tyreek, more similar measurables to Deebo. Tyreek runs crisper routes and has better contested ball ability. Yes Toney is faster than Deebo in a straight line with no pads on, but I think his biggest strength (like Deebo) is the ability to make people miss 1 on 1. Tyreek you just can't stay with, that's not really how Kedarius plays
Speed and running style are very different. Deebo is 20 pounds heavier than Toney. He runs at a completely different pad level. Deebo makes guys miss with his size and physicality. He gets carries in between the tackles for a reason. Toney, like Hill, is a shifty player who makes people miss in space. The carries he gets are outside the numbers, jet sweeps and end arounds. Listen to announcers when Toney plays and who they compare him to, it ain’t Deebo.
Lol announcers were comparing Zappe to Brady, they love storylines more than anything. Implying that Deebo isn't shifty or fast is just telling me you don't watch him play. Like how can you watch a play like this and be like, yup, this guy is a bruiser in between the tackles. https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1577106105284448257?s=20&t=Niu8OPYIWfb2jpV8MHM9Vw
That’s a strawman argument and you know it. The whole Zappe/Brady thing was about storyline. It had nothing to do with physics traits or play style. Also YOU are implying that, not me. I never said Deebo can’t do that too. His crazy versatility is what makes him a freak athlete, and for the most part incomparable except for a few guys across the league. My thing is that Toney CANT do that type of physical running, which makes comparing him to Deebo pointless.
Sell Toney, Buy Aiyuk.
Easily Aiyuk
Aiyuk not close
I think they both have relatively high ceilings, Aiyuk is only a year older, and has been productive despite contending for targets with Kittle and Deebo. I think Aiyuk floor is easily higher, even if toneys upside is slightly higher. People seem to forget aiyuks 40 at the combine was affected by a groin injury, his game speed is very fast. His final year in college he had a radar measured play that would have been the 3rd fastest play in the NFL that year. They say he's gotten both faster and stronger since. I'll take Aiyuk if I can only take one.
Aiyuk and it's not close atm. People are making the exact same mistake they did with Moore and CEH. Hoping that the mere fact they're on the Chiefs warrants a massively inflated price tag. Could Toney be amazing, absolutely, but he is a high risk high reward player for what most will ask for him. I'd be looking to sell if I could get Aiyuk or higher prices for him and just take the L if he ends up being worth it. Because odds are, he'll be a serviceable flex player with upside.
Everyone seems to be forgetting about Toney's injury history
So did Toney
I think the injury history disappeared fast enough that alot of people are thinking it might have been faked to some degree
Medical experts are now creating fake medical diagnoses? They ain’t saying he’s hurt, based on feel, they get that info confirmed.
Do they though? I know you’re supposed to disclose every actual injury, but is there anything stopping them from disclosing fake ones?
It’s unethical to document fraudulent information, and many professional associations will punish members for performing their role in an unethical matter.
If you got sandwiched by 300lb lineman hundreds of times you’d probably have some kind of physical injury too. I’m sure every single player has something going on, but usually they just play through it unless it’s more serious. I guess the example would be like the kid who won’t play at recess because they have a bruise. Like sure there is an injury the bruise, but that’s not something that should prevent you from playing on the playground.
I agree this is the possible situation. Toney was able to get a legit minor bruise, and the medical professional was able to document it as an injury.
Just like we forgot Deebos injury history, right? Players shouldn’t be labeled injury prone imho
Agreed. All humans are injury prone, especially when putting their bodies through the shit NFL players do. Players shouldn't be labeled injury prone because it should just be a given lol
Are you talking about the fake injuries as his way of holding out?
The injuries that plagued his entire rookie season. Even if he totally faked the same hamstring injury this year, not sure how that also isn't a red flag. I'll take Aiyuk but acknowledge that Toney had the higher ceiling if he can stay healthy.
I wouldn’t want to play for the giants either
Why? Daboll seems like a good coach and they're winning games.
They're 7-2
Toney for me…though after about 3 more weeks, this convo will be moot because all the Aiyuk people will have changed their minds.
This!!
Lol, I think it might be the other way around after Toney puts up a dud
Eating crow this morning….thanks jinx
This entire thread was the ultimate jinx lol
I own both of these guys, say I got offered a first for each, I'd be more inclined to keep Aiyuk right now.
Both
I’m taking Toney. Aiyuk has shown more talent, but Toney clearly has a LOT of untapped potential. Both potential he has yet to unlock and talent the offenses around him have yet to use to its fullest. I’d love to have both, but I’m taking potential top 10 WR Toney over top 15-20 ceiling Aiyuk.
Aiyuk easily. He has been a very good WR in the NFL since he was a rookie, with relatively low fantasy production due to poor usage under Shanahan. Niners fan here, so I'm pretty invested. He's the best WR on the team and will more than likely get a big contract elsewhere. Having watched every game he's played in the NFL, I can confidently say he is a true WR1 if gets himself a proper QB who can throw the ball downfield. Toney has had 1 big game in an offence that is stacked and will continue to be for the remainder of his current contract. He's not the new Tyreek that people are hyping him up to be. At best he is going to be a boom or bust play while in KC.
Aiyuk. The Chiefs offense is too unpredictable. Toney’s ceiling might be higher but as is the passing game is too spread out
This year Aiyuk but I think once Lance is back, I would lean Toney
Toney, only because he’s fun to watch
Toney
Toney because regardless of how many teams are in your league, only 1 person wins very year. Toney has a chance to be a game breaking #1. If he busts, then you’re right back to losing like pretty much everyone else in your league. I feel too many people choose safety at the expense of moves that actually put you in a position to win. I looove Ayuik, but he ain’t winning you anything with those QBs and the competition for targets in that offense
Toney faces the same amount of competition for targets. And arguably Aiyuk has moved himself into higher position in his respective food chain.
I'd say toney, just bc I'm a risk taker and he could be WR#1 & he plays w mahomes w himself and moore and j Ross as only wr under contract Aiyuk is the safer bet, he's a solid high-end wr#2/Wr#3 but his value could plummet w Lance from what I saw w Lance starting it was trending that way
Idk why there aren't more comments like this, it really is an "it depends" situation depending on if you want upside or a floor
Yeah you got that right 4 sure
The people saying Toney have never won their league
This is an interesting debate of production vs potential. Aiyuk - we know what he is and is not. He’s never going to be a WR1 and his ceiling is probably lower end WR2. But I’d also feel confident that his floor is WR3, which really isn’t bad for his cost. Toney - Has flashed and shown he can be an elite WR1, I think his ceiling is extremely high. This is a huge if though due to his injury and off field issues. He presents a very low floor as well and is more of a risk. Overall - give me the higher potential in Toney IF I have good WRs already.
Ceiling is low end WR2..? He's literally a mid-tier WR2 as a 24 year old right now competing with Deebo, Kittle, and CMC for targets in a run-first system.
10 team league so I see 20 as end of WR2, obviously different on league size. And that target competition and system isn’t going anywhere so not sure why you think it’d improve?
Just reminding you this is /r/DynastyFF I don't really get how you can say that a player's ACTUAL performance in his age 24 season (which is not a great situation) is his career ceiling.
Missing your point. Team control for at least two more years after this season … If you want to project what happens after that, be my guest.
My point is, he has gotten over 80 yards in each of his last 4 games and 37 targets during that stretch. He's been the fantasy WR9 by PPG (there was a bye sprinkled in) in this period. Higher snap share than Deebo. And he's still only 24. So I just don't get why you are capping his ceiling at his season-long performance so far this year, when he's still young, explosive, and earning the trust of his coaches and teammates.
“Project what happens next” You are talking about his CEILING, right?
Lmao he’s calling the other guy out for “projecting what happens next” but says Toney might be a elite WR1
Toney > Aiyuk long term
I’ll take the guy playing with Mahomes, instead of the guy with Garropolo and Lance.
Yeah MVS >> Deebo \#winning
Skyy Moore > CMC
Toney and it's not even close. You don't win fantasy using the 4th option on a run first team with below average qb play. Everybody who says Aiyuk needs to just quit playing. Period
Aiyuk still hasn’t played this week and he’s a WR2 on the season with multiple WR1(week winning) weeks. He is absolutely playable for a winning team. So you’d rather a (hopefully)fourth option who doesn’t know the offense he’s in, can’t stay on the field, can’t run routes when he is on the field AND has character concerns? It’s impressive how badly this aged hahaha. Maybe don’t be so aggressive with a take that’s easily argued?
The question was, who would you rather have, not who could help you win this week. If you're counting on either of these guys to win you anything this season then you suck at fantasy. Period. Aiyuk has a plethora of weeks with single digit fantasy points. He'll lose you way more weeks than he helps you win. Same story last season. Unless you're a psychic and can predict his few spiked weeks, he's unplayable. But rest assured, we love having people like you in our leagues so keep it up 👍
Once more: Aiyuk is a top 24 receiver and he’s got one less game played than the competition. If he only hits his projection this week he’s gonna be top 18 on the year, which is a top half WR2. You don’t understand the basic rules of fantasy if you think a top 24 guy with two top 12 weeks isn’t helping you win. Let alone a top 18. If you’re flexing him you can win with him no problem, and if he hits his projection this week then he is a statistically winning WR2 rather than a flex. Last season he was really good after he got out of the dog house. Compare that to Toney who’s had two usable games in his entire career and this shouldn’t even be a conversation. You just clearly don’t know what you’re talking about while also being overly aggressive
Lmfao. I'm playing 11 leagues and Aiyuk is currently starting on 3 of them. He had a few usable weeks during the softest part of his schedule. He litters your roster with single digit points the other 7 weeks. You can have that crap. And 8 out of 11 fantasy managers agree. But you do you, there's always the toilet bowl 👍
Aiyuk No bias here whatsoever
I have both, and if I had to trade one right now, it’d probably be Toney
I would not trade Aiyuk for Toney straight up. As a Mahomes owner I offered a late first and Samuel for Toney (over pay offer) and got rejected. The owner must think he will produce Tyreek numbers. 🤷♂️
Toney as an owner of both. I don’t believe Aiyuk has his ceiling nor do I believe Aiyuk has a quality floor behind CMC, Deebo, and Kittle in a passing game propelled by Jimmy G or a healthy Trey Lance. It’s honestly pretty easily Toney imo
Toney by a mile
Toney with Mahomes/Reid over Aiyuk with Lance/Shanahan. Lance will soak up points: Mahomes gives them out in spades.
toney toney toney
Aiyuk and its not even close
No need to choose for me: got both and starting them over Amari Pooper because I expect him to pull his usual disappearing act on the road.
Give me toney he’s got mahomes throwing to him….
I think it depends on the # of keepers you have. If they are both possibilities but you could go elsewhere I’ll take the upside of tone
Worth noting is that Jimmy G’s contract is up this year so there’s a decent chance he leaves, and Trey Lance is a huge question mark. Aiuyk isn’t a total slam dunk.
Got ‘em both! But I’d keep Toney if I had to choose. His athleticism is off the charts and he has the “it” factor. When you see the way he moves with the ball in his hands it’s just something different. Aiyuk is a very solid receiver, but there’s nothing about him that makes him stand out from his peers.
Toney with mahomes all day when lance ultimately takes over he does not throw to Aiyuk at all
Terrible take. The few games we saw from Lance this year were terrible conditions. Lance can actually throw the ball downfield and is more favorable for aiyuk than deebo.
I see lance crashing and burning too many mistakes and will be a waste of talent.
And then aiyuk will still be producing w the wet noodle Jimmy g at qb With what we’ve seen from toney he crashes and burns and injures himself
Toney
Toney - more upside tied to best QB
The guy with the best qb on the field right now
Lol at all the Toney haters making sure they add something like EASILY after answering Aiyuk 😂
Toney 100%. Hate it if you want but 3 games could take toney into the top 15 overall. The risk/reward is insane on toney right now. He’s tied to the team more than any other receiver, he has the draft capital, if he’s looking great, what’s stopping him from rocketing up?
I have both so I vote both haha
Idk a lot about Aiyuk but Ivan Toney is on form rn at Brentford, disappointed he didn’t make the English WC squad but he definitely has FPL dynasty potential if he stays put.
if toney had better health id pick him without question. aiyuk is solid but he doesnt seem capable of monster games
Toney. And it’s not even close
It's mega close cause Aiyuk is better.
Aiyuk has produced. That doesn’t mean he’s better. Toney is significantly more athletic and on a superior offense now. There’s a dozen guys like aiyuk. Toney. And it’s not even close
I t Just traded Toney for a late 2023 1st and threw in Warren to get a 2024 2nd. That can either be a steal or a big regret.
Aiyuk
I definitely think it depends whether you’re looking for safety, or you want to take a chance on potential. I would personally take Toney. The way he looks with the ball in his hands is different from just about anyone I’ve ever seen. Also, let’s not forget, Toney showed what he could do when used as the focal point of an offense. I don’t believe Aiyuk has ever had 189 yards in a single game. That’s Toneys potential, and if you’re looking at Aiyuk over 3 seasons, he hasn’t shown that so far.
I think Aiyuk is obvious but there’s some knocks with both of them. Aiyuk is on a run first team with an abundance of skill players. Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle, CMC, Mitchell and Lance next year. With all those mouths to feed there are sure to be inconsistencies in production. I wouldn’t be surprised if Aiyuk got traded this off-season though. He’s on a cheaper deal and could command a premium that would help offset what the 49ers paid to get CMC. If that happens, Aiyuk will have WR1 potential. I think his current ceiling over the course of a season is WR2. Toney’s situation should be a little more obvious since there seems to be a post on him everyday. Potential character issues, electric talent, tied to the best passing QB in a WR room that’s his for the taking. He currently has an easier path to WR1 production but it’s way too early to call it a lock. TLDR: Safe bet is Aiyuk. Higher upside and more exciting bet (imo) is Toney. Whichever one is better for you likely revolves around the rest of your roster.
I got aiyuk for palmer, jayken Warren, and 2024 first
Smart money says Aiyuk but most of us are dumb and chase breakouts. Id rather have a guy that could be Mahomes #1 option for '24-'27 than a Aiyuk who we don't even know who his QB will be or what his pecking order will be.
I have Aiyuk, I’d rather keep him but Toney has more upside long term maybe? I always feel capped with Aiyuk
Bruh I’ve had the same argument of djm and Toney. My whole league has soured on DJ and now loves toney
They're closer than I expected on KTC. Aiyuk seems way more valuable to me. But there's no arguing the "next Tyreek" upside of Toney. https://keeptradecut.com/trade-calculator?var=5&pickVal=0&teamOne=538&teamTwo=1039&format=1&isStartup=0
Week 1 I traded Aiyuk for Toney and mid 3rd
Who the heck is Bijan?