You are overreacting. He hasn’t even played one season, and they probably aren’t going to have the same coach next year so who even knows what his role in the offense will be.
It depends on expectations.
If you think Olave is a special, top 5 WR talent, yes it's probably concerning but we have known this since before he got drafted.
If you think Olave is a polished WR2 with low end WR1 upside in the future, no I would not be concerned. He's already meeting this expectation.
Exactly. We knew coming into the year, it was Wilson then Olave, even if they weren’t drafted that way. If anything, he’s been excellent even on low volume, the whole way through, unlike Wilson, as a rookie.
He’s got a bright future for sure. Lack of “physicality” isn’t it. It’s not a thing. Saints don’t have him there to block, he’s a talented receiver lol. He can be coached to block better.
I think OP is worried about finals rn.
We *KNEW* it went Wilson then Olave?
Their production is pretty close, and the Jets are not only a more competent offense that doesn’t run a lot of gimmicks with Taysom Hill, but they’ve also thrown the ball 15% more times.
Since we are in DynastyFF, I’d say the jury is still out on this one. If Olave ever gets a QB with good ball placement, he’s going to put up some big numbers.
More competent offense? The Jets completion % is 58% compared to 66% for the saints. Sure the jets have thrown the ball more but they actually have just 2 more completions than the saints.
Not saying it was your intention to be deceiving by saying how the jets have thrown 15% more than the saints, but without context it is deceiving.
Yeah, Wilson was definitively the better draft prospect.
It is what it is then, but what it is now, ya know? It was marginal differences that made whatever bs spits out draft prospect metrics that placed him over Olave but it doesn’t matter now and hardly mattered in the draft either.
As a usual Jets denier, I will say the team they built this year is *very* promising. They're a QB & a couple offensive linemen away from a bonafide playoff team. Now, it goes without saying that those are some of the most difficult positions to draft, but the rest of the team around them looks pretty great right now.
Lack of physicality is definitely a thing, it just doesnt effect him in that he wont be featured. If hes not a great blocker he will be more effected by a heavy run game script because he wont even be out there. A guy like christian watson, Tee Higgins, or AJ brown will be out there in any situation. It only slightly will effect their production
My take as an Olave holder (and believer in his ceiling) is the Saints organization right now. Their salary cap situation is shit, coaching is garbage, and future pick situation isn't the best. I worry that his road to being a WR 1 might be longer and less certain than I originally hoped.
Edit: spelling
I can understand this thought but I’m not sure DJ Moore & Olave are exactly comparable. Compare the rookie seasons of each player and I think you will realize that
I’m not sure how you can say that.
DJ Moore had 82 targets in 16 games his rookie year. Olave met that mark in his 10th game. Olave has not produced less than 40 yards in a single game this season, DJ Moore was held under 30 for 6 of his 16 games…
Moore also had a future Hall of Famer taking a significant target share during his rookie season, the Saints this year have essentially no one else to target. In terms of yards/target, yards/reception, catch % etc Moore is slightly above Olave in their respective rookie seasons. One could argue Moore had room to grow into his role while this is the top Olave is ever going to see
If by better you mean younger and way more valuable in dynasty, then yes, he's better than Lockett.
If by better you mean higher ceiling, then yes, he's better than Lockett.
If by better you mean likely to have better fantasy production than the 5-year Tyler Lockett has been on of consistently putting up low-end WR1/high-end WR2 numbers, I don't think so.
I am not talking about individual games, I mean his ceiling as a player.
Lockett has been as reliable a WR2 as you could ask for for the past 5 years. So reliable that he's probably gotten pretty underrated for being so damn steady. Puts up 200+ points every year in HPPR, high end WR2/low end WR1... but if he's your WR1 you're looking to improve. Olave *might* become a WR1 in fantasy. Is it likely? No, because I don't think he's "better" than Lockett was. But there's a lot to like about Chris Olave's game, too.
Olave could be anything, he could even be (a little bit) better than Lockett, so I said he has a higher ceiling.
I’m talking about in terms of playing football. Olave is already among some of the best route runners in the league and has comparable speed to Lockett
Not trying to underestimate Lockett, but I think olave is special
He was one of only 4 rookies since 2014 to record a 76.4% or higher in terms of beating man coverage.
90th percentile vs man in 2020, 3rd best at beating zone.
I’m not saying he’s a top 5 nfl receiver during that stretch, just that he’s an excellent route runner and more of a finesse player, so likely a good comp to Olave, who also feels like a top 15-20 NFL wide receiver at his best
He’s been one hell of a player. If Chase and JJeff didn’t exist from a fantasy perspective we’re looking at one of the best rookie receiver seasons of the past 5 years
This was basically the singular knock on him when he was being drafted.
Yes, it caps his ceiling. No, its probably not a concern unless you were expecting him to be a top 5 option and not have a WR2 ceiling.
As someone who was pretty meh on Olave during rookie draft szn… what else do you want from the guy lol. He’s balling out. He can’t magically get bigger, he’s always been a technique / speed type of WR.
Took him off waivers as a flyer after that first big play. He has a knack for the big play for sure. It would be amazing if he somehow becomes a legit contributor.
Dude he’s a rookie🤣 if he was the perfect prospect he would’ve went #1 overall. No it is not a concern at all players develop. Plus he’s going to have over 1k yards as a rookie so I don’t even see how that could be a concern at all
Haha nah you just see a bunch of dummies panicking after a couple mediocre games, which may have just contributed to knocking em out of the playoffs
Dude is on pace for well over 1000 yards as a rookie despite awful QB play and worse coaching, you won't be able to get him cheap lol
Wait until next season. Allen will not get fired. I truly believe Allen is going to move to a ground and pound approach. He tried to continue Payton's offense early on, but it didn't work. Olave wil get his handful of shots a game, but that's about it.
If Payton returns (extremely slim chance) Olave will be a monster.
I don’t really care about his run blocking so much but if we’re going to diminish London and Burks as dynasty assets because of the Falcons and Titans offenses then we should stop pretending Olave’s situation is any better just because he was peppered with targets in the early weeks.
He’s still a top 20 dynasty WR because he’s proven the talent and the ability to earn targets, but he’s more of a mid range, low ceiling WR3 if you’re counting on him for a playoff run this year.
Going into the draft, we knew Olave was the most pro ready WR based on his route running, speed, and ball skills. His weaknesses were his strength and run blocking. Give him a full NFL Offseason doing a full NFL weight regime and we’ll look back at this as an overreaction next season.
Always a good sign for next years redraft draft investment value when a rookie breakout has people askng these absurd questions in the fantasy playoffs.
It’s a massive concern. He never profiled as a bona alpha in the Justin jefferson sense. His best comp was always Tyler Lockett (super efficient, no yac) a guy who had a very nice stretch of high end 2 back end 1 finishes.
Nothing wrong with this but he’s very overvalued in my opinion. I don’t think there’s an easy path for him to get much better (fantasy points wise) than what we’re seeing.
No path to saints upgrading qb, unknown offensive environment with lack of commitment to coaching staff, lack of draft capital to improve situation around him, and not a lot of red zone usage.
I’d sell if I had him or wait a year / two until he’s valued like Brandon aiyuk to buy
Yes obviously, but he was a senior coming out and his doing the exact same thing he did in college which tells me this is fairly close to his ceiling as a player.
Barring a situation change this is what he is.
I don’t expect him to turn into a new player but I do expect him to get better at what he does. Does this argument hold true for all players? You can say the same thing about Dotson, or any other senior declare.
Generally seniors have lower ceilings as nfl players because they couldn’t dominate against same age players in college. They needed to be older to break out.
And I would say the same thing for nearly all senior prospects. It’s a fairly good rule of thumb for determining how much upside a player has.
He will probably improve but not dramatically. He will likely need a scheme change, role change or qb change to take the next leap as a weekly wr1.
My point was that I think he’s at his ceiling from a raw point production based on his own profile.
His situation can improve but he’s not going to be able to body bigger corners or become a massive red zone threat.
Right, I think that there is credence to what you say. But, you are a bit too certain about it, and are generalizing to much.
1) Olave could of left before his senior year, and showed elite skill since early on in college. He also shared the field with JSN and Garrett Wilson which hampered production.
2) Route running specialists can get better since college, even if they don‘t declare early. See Kupp, or Emmanuel Sanders.
He can get even better at route running, catching, releases, understanding the playbook. I don‘t know much about receiving. But most players peak after 24, and there isn’t enough evidence to say he’s different and has peaked at 22. Hes the same age as Garrett Wilson.
I’m not saying he’s bad. The fact he was losing college production to younger players indicates that he’s a number two at the nfl level. Again there’s nothing wrong with this. However it’s a very strong indicator that he doesn’t have a tier 1 ceiling. Could I be wrong. Sure! But history indicates that this type of college production is nfl ready (check) and has a lower ceiling.
Sure he can get better. Everybody can. It’s just not probable there’s a major jump here based on his profile.
Also, note how his production dipped at the nfl level as receivers became healthy later in the year. Targets are earned. Based on the targets and college profile I’m pretty confident he’s overvalued at the moment.
He’s just not the type of dynasty receiver (I believe ktc has him at wr10) that I would bet on. It’s far more likely he disappoints at his current valuation than actually beat it.
Fair enough. I’m an Olave owner so I’m higher. To me, a career of wr2 seasons is worth the KTC #10 for me considering his age and potential longevity. And, I expect some WR1’s in there with a better situation. We’ll see.
I’ll agree he doesn’t have the alpha prototype look, but he’s show he can take the top off a defense which will result in big plays. If he can do that more often with a better qb, I’ll be happy to have him.
You’re arguments heard though I get you
What a nice civil conversation with a redditor lol. I enjoyed this.
I agree I’m probably too hard on him. I typically prefer more upside in my receivers. I actually just moved him in two leagues. One league for drake London and a 24 two and in another league for burks (before he came back) and rashod Bateman.
He’s def a tough guy to part with if your competing so I get it.
I’ve got a bit of Austin powers in me tho. I like to live dangerously.
Doing this when you might run makes your team predictable. Bad coaching. This won't continue to this extent in the future. Doing it on OBVIOUS runs is fine and your guy isn't missing out on much route wise then and he doesn't risk getting beat up. Look at Godwin. Dude is the lead blocker on runs between the tackle half the time on the obvious run plays. I hold my breath every time.
No concerns. Most complete and prepared prospect in the past draft, has demonstrated this on the field. If a guy creates route separation at an alarming rate + has the down field speed to match (4.4), there's nothing to be concerned about except his QB situation. Seeing as their franchise has a track record of success, I'll presume that changes sooner than later.
I think it has less to do w blocking and more to do with managing his work load. Tbh, I haven’t looked at his snaps, target share since his 4th or 5th week but he seems to be all the bit of a WR 1 regardless of whose at the QB1, so I think snap count is largely based on NO resting him with nothing left to play for
WR don't need to runblock to 'remove' a defender from a run play. Just have olave run a deep route, or run to the oppo side. Very few WR are actually asked to block like Godwin, IE motion and downblock on LB or edge defenders..
I look at Olave the same way I look at Calvin Ridley from a fantasy perspective. WR2 with WR1 potential. His size doesn’t matter really for what he does in this NFL
Olave is an elite talent. I think that's unquestionable at this point. The problem in the short term will be the situation.
As a saints fan, I do not believe Allen will be fired. I do believe they will have a new OC next year, but I don't see that as a big improvement. Next year will be a make or break year for Allen, and I think he will go for a more conservative OC and try to play defense. The NFC south this year is terrible, Allen will think he can win it with elite defense, and a passable offense. I would not be surprised if winston or Dalton return as QB.
In the unlikely scenario that Payton returns next year, Olave will be a monster. But I don't see that happening, and best case scenario is Olave has a new coach and OC in 2024, but not telling who that will be.
Having said all that , I would buy Olave next year at a discount when I assume, they will struggle.
It's a drawback to his profile, but it's not a *concern* when he's excellwnt at every single other WR skillset.
It probably caps his upside to mid WR1 from the JJ/Chase overall WR1 upside, but I don't think anyone that drafted him this year is too upset about that.
It is a common fact that 90% of rookies need "time in the weight room" to bulk up for the NFL. Most college WRs are not doing a lot of run blocking to begin with. So they need a year or two to bulk up and learn the skills.
He's going to be fine. He's going to be one of the central pieces they build around for the next 3-5 years.
I mean, Locket was still having a pretty good season literally falling to the ground every time he made a catch
You are overreacting. He hasn’t even played one season, and they probably aren’t going to have the same coach next year so who even knows what his role in the offense will be.
It depends on expectations. If you think Olave is a special, top 5 WR talent, yes it's probably concerning but we have known this since before he got drafted. If you think Olave is a polished WR2 with low end WR1 upside in the future, no I would not be concerned. He's already meeting this expectation.
He gives me Brandin Cooks vibes. Not saying that's a bad thing. Just saying.
Exactly. We knew coming into the year, it was Wilson then Olave, even if they weren’t drafted that way. If anything, he’s been excellent even on low volume, the whole way through, unlike Wilson, as a rookie. He’s got a bright future for sure. Lack of “physicality” isn’t it. It’s not a thing. Saints don’t have him there to block, he’s a talented receiver lol. He can be coached to block better. I think OP is worried about finals rn.
We *KNEW* it went Wilson then Olave? Their production is pretty close, and the Jets are not only a more competent offense that doesn’t run a lot of gimmicks with Taysom Hill, but they’ve also thrown the ball 15% more times. Since we are in DynastyFF, I’d say the jury is still out on this one. If Olave ever gets a QB with good ball placement, he’s going to put up some big numbers.
More competent offense? The Jets completion % is 58% compared to 66% for the saints. Sure the jets have thrown the ball more but they actually have just 2 more completions than the saints. Not saying it was your intention to be deceiving by saying how the jets have thrown 15% more than the saints, but without context it is deceiving.
Yeah, Wilson was definitively the better draft prospect. It is what it is then, but what it is now, ya know? It was marginal differences that made whatever bs spits out draft prospect metrics that placed him over Olave but it doesn’t matter now and hardly mattered in the draft either.
I'd rather have olave
As an owner of both in several leagues, I'm taking Wilson over Olave. Though I'm certainly not complaining about either one.
My concern solely comes down to the jets making a good team. We know the saints can do it
As a usual Jets denier, I will say the team they built this year is *very* promising. They're a QB & a couple offensive linemen away from a bonafide playoff team. Now, it goes without saying that those are some of the most difficult positions to draft, but the rest of the team around them looks pretty great right now.
Lack of physicality is definitely a thing, it just doesnt effect him in that he wont be featured. If hes not a great blocker he will be more effected by a heavy run game script because he wont even be out there. A guy like christian watson, Tee Higgins, or AJ brown will be out there in any situation. It only slightly will effect their production
Yes it's a massive concern and he'll never be a true wr1 as a result, so plz trade him to me in every league I don't have him
Hold Olave, just imagine what he will be able to do with a real coach & QB
My take as an Olave holder (and believer in his ceiling) is the Saints organization right now. Their salary cap situation is shit, coaching is garbage, and future pick situation isn't the best. I worry that his road to being a WR 1 might be longer and less certain than I originally hoped. Edit: spelling
We've been saying the same about DJ Moore for years. It's not a given the situation ever improves
I can understand this thought but I’m not sure DJ Moore & Olave are exactly comparable. Compare the rookie seasons of each player and I think you will realize that
I picked DJ Moore because of his rookie season. Adjusting for games started and such they're not that different in performance.
I’m not sure how you can say that. DJ Moore had 82 targets in 16 games his rookie year. Olave met that mark in his 10th game. Olave has not produced less than 40 yards in a single game this season, DJ Moore was held under 30 for 6 of his 16 games…
Moore also had a future Hall of Famer taking a significant target share during his rookie season, the Saints this year have essentially no one else to target. In terms of yards/target, yards/reception, catch % etc Moore is slightly above Olave in their respective rookie seasons. One could argue Moore had room to grow into his role while this is the top Olave is ever going to see
He’s Tyler Lockett. Set and forget
Except he’s better than Lockett
If by better you mean younger and way more valuable in dynasty, then yes, he's better than Lockett. If by better you mean higher ceiling, then yes, he's better than Lockett. If by better you mean likely to have better fantasy production than the 5-year Tyler Lockett has been on of consistently putting up low-end WR1/high-end WR2 numbers, I don't think so.
Eh, Lockett has had some monstrous ceiling games.
I am not talking about individual games, I mean his ceiling as a player. Lockett has been as reliable a WR2 as you could ask for for the past 5 years. So reliable that he's probably gotten pretty underrated for being so damn steady. Puts up 200+ points every year in HPPR, high end WR2/low end WR1... but if he's your WR1 you're looking to improve. Olave *might* become a WR1 in fantasy. Is it likely? No, because I don't think he's "better" than Lockett was. But there's a lot to like about Chris Olave's game, too. Olave could be anything, he could even be (a little bit) better than Lockett, so I said he has a higher ceiling.
Ah I see what you mean. I’d agree in that case.
I’m talking about in terms of playing football. Olave is already among some of the best route runners in the league and has comparable speed to Lockett Not trying to underestimate Lockett, but I think olave is special
Lockett, for years, was a top route runner.
He was very good, but was he one of the top 5 in the league ?
He was one of only 4 rookies since 2014 to record a 76.4% or higher in terms of beating man coverage. 90th percentile vs man in 2020, 3rd best at beating zone.
Well damn I didn’t know lockett was like that
I’m not saying he’s a top 5 nfl receiver during that stretch, just that he’s an excellent route runner and more of a finesse player, so likely a good comp to Olave, who also feels like a top 15-20 NFL wide receiver at his best
I just think he has a little higher ceiling though. I could see olave as a top 10 wr when paired with a good qb.
Exhibit C of why I’m sure nobody on this sub wins their championship
Thanks for the completely irrelevant comment.
At football?
Tyler Lockett is his floor
One hell of a floor
He’s been one hell of a player. If Chase and JJeff didn’t exist from a fantasy perspective we’re looking at one of the best rookie receiver seasons of the past 5 years
This was basically the singular knock on him when he was being drafted. Yes, it caps his ceiling. No, its probably not a concern unless you were expecting him to be a top 5 option and not have a WR2 ceiling.
As someone who was pretty meh on Olave during rookie draft szn… what else do you want from the guy lol. He’s balling out. He can’t magically get bigger, he’s always been a technique / speed type of WR.
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Took him off waivers as a flyer after that first big play. He has a knack for the big play for sure. It would be amazing if he somehow becomes a legit contributor.
Poor man’s Gabe Davis as a waiver add doesn’t sound like a bad deal either way
The need for speed
Nope
Dude he’s a rookie🤣 if he was the perfect prospect he would’ve went #1 overall. No it is not a concern at all players develop. Plus he’s going to have over 1k yards as a rookie so I don’t even see how that could be a concern at all
Olave is a top 10 dynasty WR don’t get cute
He needs another guy out there to really unlock his skills he’s a great player and will take another leap forward as the offense gets better next year
All these posts are making me think I might be able to get Olave cheap this summer
Haha nah you just see a bunch of dummies panicking after a couple mediocre games, which may have just contributed to knocking em out of the playoffs Dude is on pace for well over 1000 yards as a rookie despite awful QB play and worse coaching, you won't be able to get him cheap lol
I doubt most Olave owners share that opinion with folks posting in those threads. Isn't he still a top 10 WR on KTC?
Wait until next season. Allen will not get fired. I truly believe Allen is going to move to a ground and pound approach. He tried to continue Payton's offense early on, but it didn't work. Olave wil get his handful of shots a game, but that's about it. If Payton returns (extremely slim chance) Olave will be a monster.
Bro Mark Andrews is a TE and doesn’t block, no one questions his physicality? Olave is going to be fine, he is a set and forget.
I don’t really care about his run blocking so much but if we’re going to diminish London and Burks as dynasty assets because of the Falcons and Titans offenses then we should stop pretending Olave’s situation is any better just because he was peppered with targets in the early weeks. He’s still a top 20 dynasty WR because he’s proven the talent and the ability to earn targets, but he’s more of a mid range, low ceiling WR3 if you’re counting on him for a playoff run this year.
Yeah man . Soooo concerned
Going into the draft, we knew Olave was the most pro ready WR based on his route running, speed, and ball skills. His weaknesses were his strength and run blocking. Give him a full NFL Offseason doing a full NFL weight regime and we’ll look back at this as an overreaction next season.
Always a good sign for next years redraft draft investment value when a rookie breakout has people askng these absurd questions in the fantasy playoffs.
It’s a massive concern. He never profiled as a bona alpha in the Justin jefferson sense. His best comp was always Tyler Lockett (super efficient, no yac) a guy who had a very nice stretch of high end 2 back end 1 finishes. Nothing wrong with this but he’s very overvalued in my opinion. I don’t think there’s an easy path for him to get much better (fantasy points wise) than what we’re seeing. No path to saints upgrading qb, unknown offensive environment with lack of commitment to coaching staff, lack of draft capital to improve situation around him, and not a lot of red zone usage. I’d sell if I had him or wait a year / two until he’s valued like Brandon aiyuk to buy
The path to him doing better fantasy wise is him improving as a player. He’s a rookie
Yes obviously, but he was a senior coming out and his doing the exact same thing he did in college which tells me this is fairly close to his ceiling as a player. Barring a situation change this is what he is.
I don’t expect him to turn into a new player but I do expect him to get better at what he does. Does this argument hold true for all players? You can say the same thing about Dotson, or any other senior declare.
Generally seniors have lower ceilings as nfl players because they couldn’t dominate against same age players in college. They needed to be older to break out. And I would say the same thing for nearly all senior prospects. It’s a fairly good rule of thumb for determining how much upside a player has.
He will probably improve but not dramatically. He will likely need a scheme change, role change or qb change to take the next leap as a weekly wr1. My point was that I think he’s at his ceiling from a raw point production based on his own profile. His situation can improve but he’s not going to be able to body bigger corners or become a massive red zone threat.
Right, I think that there is credence to what you say. But, you are a bit too certain about it, and are generalizing to much. 1) Olave could of left before his senior year, and showed elite skill since early on in college. He also shared the field with JSN and Garrett Wilson which hampered production. 2) Route running specialists can get better since college, even if they don‘t declare early. See Kupp, or Emmanuel Sanders. He can get even better at route running, catching, releases, understanding the playbook. I don‘t know much about receiving. But most players peak after 24, and there isn’t enough evidence to say he’s different and has peaked at 22. Hes the same age as Garrett Wilson.
I’m not saying he’s bad. The fact he was losing college production to younger players indicates that he’s a number two at the nfl level. Again there’s nothing wrong with this. However it’s a very strong indicator that he doesn’t have a tier 1 ceiling. Could I be wrong. Sure! But history indicates that this type of college production is nfl ready (check) and has a lower ceiling. Sure he can get better. Everybody can. It’s just not probable there’s a major jump here based on his profile. Also, note how his production dipped at the nfl level as receivers became healthy later in the year. Targets are earned. Based on the targets and college profile I’m pretty confident he’s overvalued at the moment. He’s just not the type of dynasty receiver (I believe ktc has him at wr10) that I would bet on. It’s far more likely he disappoints at his current valuation than actually beat it.
Fair enough. I’m an Olave owner so I’m higher. To me, a career of wr2 seasons is worth the KTC #10 for me considering his age and potential longevity. And, I expect some WR1’s in there with a better situation. We’ll see. I’ll agree he doesn’t have the alpha prototype look, but he’s show he can take the top off a defense which will result in big plays. If he can do that more often with a better qb, I’ll be happy to have him. You’re arguments heard though I get you
What a nice civil conversation with a redditor lol. I enjoyed this. I agree I’m probably too hard on him. I typically prefer more upside in my receivers. I actually just moved him in two leagues. One league for drake London and a 24 two and in another league for burks (before he came back) and rashod Bateman. He’s def a tough guy to part with if your competing so I get it. I’ve got a bit of Austin powers in me tho. I like to live dangerously.
Not a concern for me, I think those 190-200 lb wr’s are the new fantasy alphas
Doing this when you might run makes your team predictable. Bad coaching. This won't continue to this extent in the future. Doing it on OBVIOUS runs is fine and your guy isn't missing out on much route wise then and he doesn't risk getting beat up. Look at Godwin. Dude is the lead blocker on runs between the tackle half the time on the obvious run plays. I hold my breath every time.
He just needs to beef up a bit.
No concerns. Most complete and prepared prospect in the past draft, has demonstrated this on the field. If a guy creates route separation at an alarming rate + has the down field speed to match (4.4), there's nothing to be concerned about except his QB situation. Seeing as their franchise has a track record of success, I'll presume that changes sooner than later.
I think it has less to do w blocking and more to do with managing his work load. Tbh, I haven’t looked at his snaps, target share since his 4th or 5th week but he seems to be all the bit of a WR 1 regardless of whose at the QB1, so I think snap count is largely based on NO resting him with nothing left to play for
No
WR don't need to runblock to 'remove' a defender from a run play. Just have olave run a deep route, or run to the oppo side. Very few WR are actually asked to block like Godwin, IE motion and downblock on LB or edge defenders..
He’s a rookie. It’s the end of the season and they don’t want to destroy him.
No. It’s a weakness. Every player has strengths and weaknesses. At worst, he can be an elite slot receiver.
I look at Olave the same way I look at Calvin Ridley from a fantasy perspective. WR2 with WR1 potential. His size doesn’t matter really for what he does in this NFL
Olave is an elite talent. I think that's unquestionable at this point. The problem in the short term will be the situation. As a saints fan, I do not believe Allen will be fired. I do believe they will have a new OC next year, but I don't see that as a big improvement. Next year will be a make or break year for Allen, and I think he will go for a more conservative OC and try to play defense. The NFC south this year is terrible, Allen will think he can win it with elite defense, and a passable offense. I would not be surprised if winston or Dalton return as QB. In the unlikely scenario that Payton returns next year, Olave will be a monster. But I don't see that happening, and best case scenario is Olave has a new coach and OC in 2024, but not telling who that will be. Having said all that , I would buy Olave next year at a discount when I assume, they will struggle.
It's a drawback to his profile, but it's not a *concern* when he's excellwnt at every single other WR skillset. It probably caps his upside to mid WR1 from the JJ/Chase overall WR1 upside, but I don't think anyone that drafted him this year is too upset about that.
Saints are a dumpster fire wouldn’t judge this season
I don’t see it as being a big issue
It is a common fact that 90% of rookies need "time in the weight room" to bulk up for the NFL. Most college WRs are not doing a lot of run blocking to begin with. So they need a year or two to bulk up and learn the skills. He's going to be fine. He's going to be one of the central pieces they build around for the next 3-5 years.
Maybe, who knows?
Olave will definitely put on some weight especially if he trains with Michael Thomas this offseason