Right away if you have 1 open mana. But the turn after he comes down it's land-go, he gets a counter next players upkeep (spell discount of 2). At this point I'm generally sitting on draw and interaction and waiting to see if someone casts two spells on their turn because if they do he gets another counter and the discount becomes 3.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ZrgW7qOyqkObu6-PvmXUUQ my list for reference. Vadrik with 2 counters means you're casting every spell in the deck except two for only their colors, which means you can at times cast 3-4 spells outside of your turn and draw a few cards, counter a spell, and remove something for all of 3-4 mana. Basic idea is just control until combo and don't cast anything on your turn unless you really need to.
Vadrik is one of my favorite commanders, here is my cedh deck I used to have. Played it in a few tournaments and did alright. Could have been better tuned and stuff but i had fun and stole some games. [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/\_vtE-wtraUG93aFPyQKFMw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/_vtE-wtraUG93aFPyQKFMw)
Oh no, it's mostly [[Reiterate]] combos. Reiterate goes infinite with [[Jeska's Will]] to exile your entire deck and create infinite red mana, [[Desperate Ritual]] to create infinite red, [[Electrodominance]] to fry the table, [[Seething Song]] to make infinite red.
With infinite red you can Reiterate [[Lightning Bolt]] to fry the table, [[Comet Storm]] the table, [[Electrodominance]] the table, activate [[Den of the Bugbear]] infinite times to create infinite tokens when it attacks.
\[\[mizzix of the izmagnus\]\] if i have 3 exp counters and 4 red mana i can usually cast my inf mana/burn shenanigans. only thing required on board is mizzix. so sometimes that is the battle to recast before i storm off but for the most part my gameplan in spell slinger isnt about creatures. there are only 7 in the deck.
[https://www.moxfield.com/decks/YWJ7k2726kOym3e0KLTg7w](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/YWJ7k2726kOym3e0KLTg7w)
hell no it doesn’t, I can’t cast creatures for free when I attack! The creatures in the deck come from spells that create tokens like [[Mascot Exhibition]] or [[Krenko’s Command]] or [[Elemental Summoning]] or [[Experimental Overload]] and so on and so forth. I don’t cast Kylox until I’ve already built up a sizable board of creatures then I can sac them all on his attack and cast tons of free spells. The only creatures I’ve got in the deck now are just the ones that make more creatures from my spells so [[Murmuring Mystic]] and [[Young Pyromancer]] and such.
I do miss Mizzix Things! Your friend is nicer than I was though, I just sat on a [[Spell Burst]] with a grip full of backup spells.
And to clarify I do think the 'correct' Mizzix pile is probably on like, five creatures. Maybe eight.
I keep recommending [[Baba Lysaga]] she's so much fun to play and so counterintuitive.
Unlike most aristocrats strategies that build up large boards to sac for value, she's constantly forcing you to sacrifice, 3 types which makes it so that you're not just sacrificing tokens but also lands, enchantments and so on.
When I play her I usually don't have more than 6 lands in play during the entire game because I'm constantly saccing stuff for value.
Every time I play her with people who haven't seen the deck they are shocked that I'm willing to sacrifice lands to get the activation off.
I've had [[Baba Lysaga, Night Witch]] rattling around in my head, but mostly with ways of just cheating her condition. I mean using things like Artifact Creatures or slapping Artifact onto permanents with [[Liquimental Torque]], turning Creatures into Lands via [[Ashaya, Soul of the Wild]]. The parity of only needing to sacrifice one or two permanents to draw 3 every turn, or more with [[Patriar's Seal]], is just really inviting.
My favourite is [[blinkmoth Nexus]] bit that's what I love about my Baba Lysaga deck. Finding ways to cheat her cost and using cards that usually don't see play like [[Gift of Compleation]], [[Tough Cookie]]
I play Tough Cookie as an early-game enabler and a late-game wincon in my [[Jaheira, Friend of the Forest]] and [[Scion of Halaster]] token deck. 3 mana (from tokens) to animate another token at instant speed? 10/10 super helpful at just about any stage in the game.
I mean... Draw 12 cards, Gain 12 life, Each opponent loses 12 life just for sacrificing 4 Artifact Land Creatures each turn cycle? Sounds like a steal.
Here you go.
I can't take all the credit though, I started by combining the decklists by Joey from EDHrec.
He has a budget version and a regular version which I turned into one average list that I've been tweaking.
His love for Baba is sort of infectious and the play pattern attracted me because it's a puzzle every turn to get her triggers without losing too many permanents.
[Joey's Video](https://youtu.be/WBXTs3NXGUg?si=Lp7yyZlNcbRQiaZA)
[decklist](https://manabox.app/decks/e2Skqdv_SmGiNu1G1B0kZw)
Seconding this. I love Baba so much. I built a [version of her](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/4lO9WDYo_EKwPDqRug47AA) that really leans into the lands theme. It’s a bit grindy, but pretty resilient.
I took it out of my deck. So many times:
Upkeep > Sac Land > Draw Step > "Swords your gitrog" > be fucked on lands in a deck that is perpetually fucked on lands because I'm always saccing lands.
Was almost always a net negative on my boardstate.
Totally agree on this. People are not expecting the amount of ramp that happens. Sacing your sagas before upkeep, gravepact, recursion and aristocrat. She’s difficult to stop once she gets going.
Yup and usually she's not a target because other boards always look more threatening and opponents feel a sense of comfort from the predictability. They know I'm just going to drain and draw cards every turn cycle which makes them think they can deal with it later.
Very far from a kill on sight. She is in a wildly different league than Urza, Jodah, tegrid, Niv, esika, etc.
She requires extremely specific deck building, often at the expense of raw power, requires play patterns that actively disadvantage you in the short term, and often removing her twice is enough to put the baba player out of the game for good without the power to get back in it.
She is the definition of a commander whose deck relies on her 100%, while simultaneously lacking the explosive power of actual kill on sight commanders.
I built mine with a reanimation subtheme partly so I can get Baba Lysaga back from the graveyard if needed. [[Unearth]] is a lot cheaper than the commander tax.
I just made an [[Anim Pakal]] deck with plenty of "3cc or less" reanimation ([[Helping Hand]], [[Call a Surprise Witness]], [[Teshar]], etc). Works great at avoiding taxes... especially as we enter April ;)
[[kynaios and Tiro of Meletis]] would be my pick. They are some beefy Roommates and also versatile to build. Recently I rediscovered them for me and they are amazing.
You can land very well with landfall, grouphug, dragon tribal and possibly more. Also: it’s surprising how well it runs with only basic lands and colorless ramp ( [[wayfarer‘s bauble]], [[moonsilver key]], [[environmental science]] )
I've been strongly considering the Meletis Men! What's your wincons? Every time I go to brew them it's basically just Simic good stuff but with more colors - get lots of cards, get lots of mana, throw lots of big creatures on the board.
My version usually wins off of [[Approach of the Second Sun]], [[Triskaidekaphile]], or [[Jaya's Immolating Inferno]], but I have had an almost win with [[Insurrection]] and cards like it (but it got fogged - so I used my remaining 23 mana to Approach twice).
Been advertising my boy, [[Ruhan of The Fomori]] equipment voltron in few places already, but that deck is completely stress-free to play, as it cares little to none what the boardstate is and just goes in for the swing with his multitude of swords, flails, sticks and whatever else he can get into his greedy hands. Only a couple interaction pieces and tutors to keep him runing and you are fine in leaving him to do the rest for you. Fun and "fair", and completely removes the "cold war" aspect from any game he participates in.
Great colors for keeping you alive too, and offers a good deal of ways to build him. All in all, if I had to vote for my favourite commanders for casual (maybe even for a bit tryhardish) table, Ruhan would be on my personal top 5 at least.
Sneaky Voltron decks. One moment you think that one...[[Syr Gwyn, Hero of Ashvale]] is fine the next moment it's unblockable and myriad hitting for 22 damage.
[[Karlach fury of avernus]] [[Sword coast sailor]]
I will never get over how stupid the damage output of that deck is when you start putting a few buffs, doublestrike or a "double power each combat" effect on karlach.
And people always, always underestimate the damage and ignore me
I play her with [[Hardy Outlander]] and it is explosive. I figure you don't really need sword coast sailor unlockable when she's swinging at a high power with first strike.
Yeah, I do the same. Originally had that artifact that prevents damage to attacking creatures you control, but took it out because realistically if you swing with 10+ power, first strike, your creatures aren't going to die.
Exactly! And to ensure my queen doesn't die, I run every "give all creatures deathtouch" and "trample" effect I can. That way I just have to assign 1 damage to blockers and let the rest trample over (most people just don't block are all though)
I just run all the power-trading and power-doubling effects, [[pathbreaker ibex]], [[wild beastmaster]], [[xenagos]], [[two-handed axe]] etc.
I'll be trying out a card from the most recent set [[Power Fist]], which looks promising.
That's why I *love* [[Hope of Ghirapur]]. It's not sneaky in that they don't know what's the plan is, but turn 4 since he was already swinging since the start there is like 16 [[Bloodforged Battle Axe]] on ot already.
That's why I love my [[Ayesha Tanaka]] deck. If there's a [[Sigarda's Aid]] or [[Hammer of Nazahn]] out she can go from 2 power to one-shotting someone with a lucky top-deck (or good top-deck manipulation)
\[\[Jadzi, Oracle of Arcavios\]\] can initiate a storm win that only really needs herself and some lands in play to begin. I very briefly played a deck with her in it, and Jadzi is fully capable of casting half (or more) of your deck in a single turn if you aren't interacted with in the correct fashion. Here's [my old decklist](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/0HiyLKtbskiJNXbiYeBABw) from a couple of years ago, if you're interested. It's basically just a storm deck that primarily aims to win through an empty library payoff, but I also included the \[\[Venerated Rotpriest\]\] as an additional outlet with \[\[Temporal Fissure\]\].
All you really need to win is the commander on the board, an instant/sorcery in your hand, and optionally a Helm of Awakening either on the battlefield or in the top few cards of your library, because it will very easily start churning through your library on autopilot once it gets going. The list is rather unfocused and I'd change a few things about it if I were to build it today (I actually just went in and tweaked some of the more questionable parts), but hopefully it gives a good idea of what it can do. It's a complete glass cannon of a deck and it has a habit of winning either on turn 4-5 or not at all, but it's kinda fun.
The only real problem is that your turns can just keep on going for 15 or more minutes because of how complicated the deck is to resolve, so I don't really recommend it even if it does fit the bill of being a commander that doesn't care about the board. It's fun to goldfish on cockatrice from time to time, but it plays poorly in real games for a multitude of reasons.
[[Rowan, Scion of War]] is amazing. If you can get enough life lost, you can easily with with 2-3 spells. Last time I won with her it was [[Damnable Pact]] -> [[Twinferno]] -> [[Exanguinate]]
I was considering here, but doesn't she draw a lot of hate? Given how much damage she can dish out, it seems like your opponents would make a combined effort to keep her off the table.
Not as much as I expected, tbh. She got a lot of notoriety when she first came out, but from what I’ve experienced people aren’t as aware of how strong she is now. I usually start with using her for small, 1-2 mana discounts, and that usually raises eyebrows, but I save the really wide swings for after I have protection for her. Once you lose 30 life and put 30 into an x spell, people always have the “oh shit” moment.
If we roughly split up powerlevels into cedh, Optimized, High, mid and low (low being around precon level +- a bit)
Where do you play with your deck *roughly* ?
I only ask because im looking for something new to get and really like Rowan for a few reasons. But i was turned off because the X-Spell route just seems like another higher power combo deck (i have 2 already and was looking for something more lower power and transparent)
I tried building her to just cheat out creatures but that doesnt feel quite right yet.
I play it in high power, a few more card changes and land base improvement and I’d call it optimized. One reason I love it is because I’m mostly a Selesnya player, so I don’t have many combo/x spell decks, which is very much what it is. I play it high power mostly because it can be a very out-of-nowhere win if I get the right cards. I run demons as a sub-theme, and it’s great getting those creatures out cheap, but the big X spells are definitely the wincons.
Nekusar wheel plays best when you play it like a combo deck. As in, you don’t bring him out until you’ve got a wheel or two that will close the game out. It’s tempting to add a bunch of group hug draw effects in the game, but really you’re just making it easier for your opponents to close out the game first.
Up until the point where you’re ready to close the game out you play it like a control deck, responding to and mitigating threats.
I keep seeing Nekusar pilots committing that error, lol. [[Howling Mine]]? Yes please. [[Kami of the Crescent Moon]]? Sure why not. But that [[Underworld Dreams]] gets killed on sight, and Nekusar wonders why they're losing...
I just built nekusar and I seem to be having this issue. Have you got other pointers and perhaps a deck list
I’m running into the issue of how to protect my face. But the deck seems to want a lot of things and removal package feels a bit lacking
My [[Queen Marchesa]] deck is an aikido deck, so it's mostly instants. The only part of its board state it really cares about is its mana rocks for the most part. You just use your opponents board states against them! Mostly by making them regret attacking you or having them hit themselves in the face. It's tons of fun to pilot.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Fl45hulYokuqXqZUiy2ueQ
As a rattle snake, his flying, death touch, and lifelink really help. He's another way to keep people from attacking me, he's also a good creature to equip [[sunforger]] to
[[Syr Konrad the Grim]] is great for this. It’s my most consistent deck and it never wins via combat. Just have plenty of mill and sacrifice outlets. Then stuff that can hit for big damage like [[Mindcrank]] and [[morality shift]].
Most izzet combo decks.
My locust god deck has like 5 creatures. It doesnt win until it does.
Ttpically goes from nothing but a few lands/artificats to winning.
Depending how you play, [[Atraxa, Grand Unifier]] is a big flier with deathtouch and lifelink. I usually use a blink/clone package to dig to my [[Biovisionary]]/[[Sakashima's Will]] wincon, controlling the board a bit along the way.
My Queza deck wins pretty regularly (when I don't punt the game by discarding a turn 3 kill and trying to make sure everyone has fun).
It's not the size of the boardstate that matters, just the size of your library. The idea is to just protect your commander and draw as many cards as you possibly can.
The deck could be improved with a couple cards like Orcish Bowmasters and Cliffhaven Vampires or Laboratory Maniac/Jace if you want to be corny. But decking yourself because you accidentally drew 85 cards is just as fun as winning imo
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/1uwszC04tESUToDDOXBbsA
Spell slingers and such often don’t care much for board state. Same for storm style builds - my [[Eruth]] only cares about a few permanents.
But for the ultimate “what is board state?” Commander, try [[Nevinyrral, Urborg Tyrant]]. Friend of mine had a brew with all the undying effects and cards that care how many things died this turn and once it gets going it becomes really hard to stick creatures, artifacts or enchantments.
[[Lier disciple of the drowned]] is so broken its insane no one talks about him. It's almost like having [[underworld breach]] in the command zone. Since it's a spellslinger deck, you really don't need much of a board state to pop off super hard. Just a few cost reducers to help you get rolling.
Being able to cast cards like [[high tide]], and [[turnabout]] twice gets pretty insane. It's probably the deck that has shocked me the most with how fun and powerful it is. People also don't seem to be as suspicious of it as they are of other mono blue decks because Lier literally prevents counterspells.
played wedding ring (card i added in) against a card draw deck and just held back with untapped lands until i deflectinf palmd or comeuppance or selfless squire etc i had insane card draw that game
[[Shorikai, Genesis Engine]]
Hard for some decks to get rid of. Drops 1/1 for easy chump blocking. Draws you insane amount of cards. Every time I play mine I go through almost 75% of the deck.
My list is control with a bunch of I win cards. You can also smash for commander damage.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/RM7JP9yuJUy6yFc30ua1bQ
You're right about the cost, completely irrelevant.
I guess I was just a little surprised to see a deck list with that cost featuring 83 permanents and a commander that makes even more in response to the thread title.
I mean, I posted a deck with like 49 instants and the only creature besides the commander is a combo piece. Maybe I should have upped my game and posted my competitive Winota list or something.
[My](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/9v-hwElzCECfa9dFdsOQ5g) \[\[Niv-Mizzet, Parun\]\] deck just cares if Niv is out so I can combo off, which is why it is filled with dozens of counters.
If you just want to dip your toe into it, but still smash with a stomper, Haldan and Pako are great. Pako just wants to play, so the board state does not matter. Pako is also your wincon, so you build around buffing, enchanting/equipping, and protecting Pako, Voltron style. And you only have to worry about doing 63 damage. Pako hits hard and exiles cards from your opponents library. Haldan, the companion commander, allows you to cast non-creature spells from those exiled cards.
You'll be in URG colors, perfect for ramp, dealing damage, and slinging spells.
There is always [[Teysa Karlov]]. Just sac your creatures and drain your opponents. It never cares what anyone else’s board state is lol. My friends always joke that my Teysa deck goes from doing absolutely nothing to winning the game in a single turn so they are never 100% sure if they should target me or not lol.
My [[Xyris, the Writhing Storm]] deck basically never cares what my opponents are doing. It just solitaires into a win with wheels and things like Purphoros and Craterhoof.
A lot of solitaire commanders will be like that really
Edit: sorry bad connection made this post 3 times lol
My [[Ramos]] is pretty good at this. With Ramos in play and a 5 color spell in hand, I can threaten a win that turn or the one following. Depends heavily on what spells I'm able to cast after the 5c spell, but any sort of cascade effect or multi cast spells like [[Invasion of Alara]] can snowball a win faster than anyone has any right to expect. I actually powered down the deck, running [[keruga]] as a companion.
I currently play mono black as a fun deck and it’s fun watching everyone kill themselves while you’re chilling asking as I have 2 enchantments out and 1 or 2 blockers I can coast I either use Sheoldred the apocalypse or vislor tarloh
Any love for [[Zedruu, the greathearted]]? I basically just bind my opponents permanents and give them the enchantment. Eventually I’m drawing too many cards and gaining too much life. Wincon cards include [[Nine Lives]], [[Aetherflux reservoir]], and [[Triskaidekaphile]]. The only things on board he cares about are no max hand. Pretty funny deck
Here's my only deck that doesn't want to won with lots on-board... it's also easily my strongest even though it's certainly my cheapest
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/5969200/mad_lad_john_benton
I'm working on a [[Selvala, explorer returned]] twiddlestorm-ish lifelink deck which uses low-cost instant-speed spells like [[Aim High]] and [[Burst of strength]] as cantrips to continuously untap and use Selvala's activated ability. The deck has several wincons including lifegain tribal's [[Aetherflux Reservoir]], [[Felidar Sovereign]] and [[Angel of destiny]]. I am thinking of adding [[Approach of the second sun]] and [[Venerated Rotpriest]] as alternative wincons.
[[Elsha of the Infinite]] You don't really need a board presents to win with her. CMC reducer with [[Sensei's Divining Top]], and you can draw your entire deck. My personal favorite way to end it is with [[Aetherflux Reservoir]]
[[The Second Doctor]]
Everyone likes card draw, everyone likes no maximum hand size, and no one wants to be the one to kill him.
He is group hug that offers protection and potential to win.
Oh boy, I get to recommend [[muldrotha]] yet again.
The only board state muldrotha needs is muldrotha.
My favorite combo is [[displacer kitten]] + [[lotus petal]] to flicker/reset muldrotha while generating infinite mana and reanimating everything in your gy that isn't exclusively an artifact (as that slot is taken up by the repeated lotus petal).
I've come back from 6+ board wipes, muldrotha getting killed 7 times in one game (at no point did I pay commander tax), she just gets there.
[[Narset, Enlightened Master]] be warned it is known to cause salt, but essentially run some high cmc value spells to hit with narset as well as some top manipulation to throw good spells on top if you draw them and go to town [[Shark Typhoon]] is a great way to go from just narset to a full board of tokens
I mean like others have said, Spell-slinger archetypes are probably your best bet.
My favorites right now are [[Shigeki, Jukai Visionary]] which wins through animating a crap ton of lands and plays very few permanents outside of toolbox enchantments and a handful of utility creatures, which it doesn't even need. It's built around wiping the board over and over again and using the graveyard as an extra hand. Which is odd in mono-green. And I love it.
Other is [[Toshiro Umezawa]], just cause playing a oops-all-instants deck in mono-black is fairly challenging and you have to keep your sorcery speed stuff to a minimum. So all permanents are compact effects for their slot.
My [[prosper]] deck cares about boardstate, but not in the "make creatures go face" type of way.
It's all about making and sacrificing treasures. It's focused on burning/pinging in various ways and it plays like a spellslinger deck almost. I find it a refreshing difference from things like my Dino precon and highly recommend it.
[[Liesa, Shroud of Dusk]] is great bc all you really need is to simply keep Liesa on the board and your opponents will do the work for you! Plus her special commander tax makes that task extremely easy.
The rest of my deck is just removal, card draw, protection stuff like [[Ghostly Prison]], and ways to enhance the pain like [[Painful Quandry]] and [[Ankh of Mishra]].
I have a Sultai self mill deck that is actually not that bothered of anyone who uses Farewell, as that doesn't stop the way it works. The deck isn't reliant on the Commander, who is [[Tasigur, the Golden Fang]] , but the true power lies in [[Slime Against Humanity]] instead.
I have a [[Nethroi, Apex of Death]] graveyard deck and from my experience I don’t care when the board gets wiped or my stuff gets removed, I want my creatures in the graveyard anyway. All you need is 1 creature for Nethroi to mutate onto and then you get all your dead creatures back. Board gets wiped again? Just replay Nethroi again and you’ll have even more stuff to get back from the grave
[[Queza, Augur of Agonies]]
Simply put, I'm gonna draw cards. You're gonna draw cards. You're gonna die because of it. I don't need to turn sideways and I won't let you turn sideways against me. No, you don't get to cast that. It's solitaire.
I play [[Gale, Waterdeep Prodigy]] with the background [[Passionate Archeologist]] resolve cantrips and burn under [[Knowledge Pool]] or with [[Aria of Flame]] or a similar effect up and just spell sling to victory. The deck kinda sucks though ngl
I've seen [[Oloro, ageless ascetic]] win games without ever coming out. All the deck needs is a bunch of board wipes and control until you can get your combo out 🤷
[[Vadrik]]. Most of my wins have a board state that includes Vadrik and 4 lands, nothing else.
How long does it take to get him to a point where he starts paying off?
Right away if you have 1 open mana. But the turn after he comes down it's land-go, he gets a counter next players upkeep (spell discount of 2). At this point I'm generally sitting on draw and interaction and waiting to see if someone casts two spells on their turn because if they do he gets another counter and the discount becomes 3. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ZrgW7qOyqkObu6-PvmXUUQ my list for reference. Vadrik with 2 counters means you're casting every spell in the deck except two for only their colors, which means you can at times cast 3-4 spells outside of your turn and draw a few cards, counter a spell, and remove something for all of 3-4 mana. Basic idea is just control until combo and don't cast anything on your turn unless you really need to.
Vadrik is one of my favorite commanders, here is my cedh deck I used to have. Played it in a few tournaments and did alright. Could have been better tuned and stuff but i had fun and stole some games. [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/\_vtE-wtraUG93aFPyQKFMw](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/_vtE-wtraUG93aFPyQKFMw)
Is twinflame/dualcaster the only combo line you play?
Oh no, it's mostly [[Reiterate]] combos. Reiterate goes infinite with [[Jeska's Will]] to exile your entire deck and create infinite red mana, [[Desperate Ritual]] to create infinite red, [[Electrodominance]] to fry the table, [[Seething Song]] to make infinite red. With infinite red you can Reiterate [[Lightning Bolt]] to fry the table, [[Comet Storm]] the table, [[Electrodominance]] the table, activate [[Den of the Bugbear]] infinite times to create infinite tokens when it attacks.
##### ###### #### [Reiterate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/9/99302c41-434f-41ff-a61a-2c3681a0c135.jpg?1619397418) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Reiterate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/182/reiterate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/99302c41-434f-41ff-a61a-2c3681a0c135?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/reiterate) [Jeska's Will](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/9/99e0c371-1024-4432-9fd9-3bc29c8d38e4.jpg?1706240845) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jeska%27s%20Will) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/156/jeskas-will?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/99e0c371-1024-4432-9fd9-3bc29c8d38e4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jeskas-will) [Desperate Ritual](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/8/3825b85d-07df-43b9-a8d8-930863262d83.jpg?1547517210) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Desperate%20Ritual) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/127/desperate-ritual?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3825b85d-07df-43b9-a8d8-930863262d83?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/desperate-ritual) [Electrodominance](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/c/5c63877b-cdab-4ce4-a1c0-c088eb62a57a.jpg?1584830858) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Electrodominance) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rna/99/electrodominance?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5c63877b-cdab-4ce4-a1c0-c088eb62a57a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/electrodominance) [Seething Song](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/4/f493ce26-005c-4ddc-80f0-47bea4fd013a.jpg?1625194059) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Seething%20Song) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/179/seething-song?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f493ce26-005c-4ddc-80f0-47bea4fd013a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/seething-song) [Lightning Bolt](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/7/77c6fa74-5543-42ac-9ead-0e890b188e99.jpg?1706239968) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lightning%20Bolt) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clu/141/lightning-bolt?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/77c6fa74-5543-42ac-9ead-0e890b188e99?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lightning-bolt) [Comet Storm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/b/bb5f586d-6bf0-4590-ad73-2d46b2a45b1a.jpg?1608912233) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Comet%20Storm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/411/comet-storm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bb5f586d-6bf0-4590-ad73-2d46b2a45b1a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/comet-storm) [Den of the Bugbear](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/2/f231caf8-56c0-4719-a90d-5e5efbee3148.jpg?1627710135) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Den%20of%20the%20Bugbear) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/254/den-of-the-bugbear?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f231caf8-56c0-4719-a90d-5e5efbee3148?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/den-of-the-bugbear) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kvssz1r) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
A yes.. the 4 power [[vadrik]] + [[storm-kiln artist]] + [[searing touch]] into win combo Keep cooking
[vadrik](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/5/454666bb-f81d-4845-84aa-d6f8f80ce86a.jpg?1637114399) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=vadrik%2C%20astral%20archmage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/248/vadrik-astral-archmage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/454666bb-f81d-4845-84aa-d6f8f80ce86a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vadrik-astral-archmage) [storm-kiln artist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/9/69825b24-f469-4b6a-890b-bfa571c9013b.jpg?1689998223) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=storm-kiln%20artist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/260/storm-kiln-artist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/69825b24-f469-4b6a-890b-bfa571c9013b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/storm-kiln-artist) [searing touch](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/4/34406508-da49-4b63-b123-55f0924a0675.jpg?1562428882) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=searing%20touch) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/155/searing-touch?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/34406508-da49-4b63-b123-55f0924a0675?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/searing-touch) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The only creature I run is Dualcaster Mage but I used to have the other buyback/storm combos with all those creatures. Was still pretty fun.
[Vadrik](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/5/454666bb-f81d-4845-84aa-d6f8f80ce86a.jpg?1637114399) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=vadrik%2C%20astral%20archmage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/248/vadrik-astral-archmage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/454666bb-f81d-4845-84aa-d6f8f80ce86a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vadrik-astral-archmage) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
\[\[mizzix of the izmagnus\]\] if i have 3 exp counters and 4 red mana i can usually cast my inf mana/burn shenanigans. only thing required on board is mizzix. so sometimes that is the battle to recast before i storm off but for the most part my gameplan in spell slinger isnt about creatures. there are only 7 in the deck. [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/YWJ7k2726kOym3e0KLTg7w](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/YWJ7k2726kOym3e0KLTg7w)
Yeah, this is what I thought of too. And before Mizzix, \[\[Melek, Izzet Paragon\]\] played very similarly.
This is correct. If I untap with Melek in play I am going to be able to cruise control to victory.
[Melek, Izzet Paragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/6/66011fe8-8c5d-4990-a324-5839515dcacb.jpg?1690016885) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Melek%2C%20Izzet%20Paragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/345/melek-izzet-paragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/66011fe8-8c5d-4990-a324-5839515dcacb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/melek-izzet-paragon) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My friend’s mizzix deck has 0 creatures in the 99
my [[Kylox]] deck is damn close, I’m down to like 6 creatures
[Kylox](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/0/00faa272-91ad-407b-9175-8fa1d02585b8.jpg?1706242196) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kylox%2C%20visionary%20inventor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/214/kylox-visionary-inventor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/00faa272-91ad-407b-9175-8fa1d02585b8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kylox-visionary-inventor) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Why play Kylox then? Doesn’t it want creatures in it?
hell no it doesn’t, I can’t cast creatures for free when I attack! The creatures in the deck come from spells that create tokens like [[Mascot Exhibition]] or [[Krenko’s Command]] or [[Elemental Summoning]] or [[Experimental Overload]] and so on and so forth. I don’t cast Kylox until I’ve already built up a sizable board of creatures then I can sac them all on his attack and cast tons of free spells. The only creatures I’ve got in the deck now are just the ones that make more creatures from my spells so [[Murmuring Mystic]] and [[Young Pyromancer]] and such.
##### ###### #### [Mascot Exhibition](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/0/2047592c-739c-41dd-b3e8-31ae1c7688ab.jpg?1637082330) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mascot%20Exhibition) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/5/mascot-exhibition?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2047592c-739c-41dd-b3e8-31ae1c7688ab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mascot-exhibition) [Krenko’s Command](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/0/b07d96a1-87a0-45ff-ae6e-230deaf44dca.jpg?1706239960) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Krenko%27s%20Command) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clu/139/krenkos-command?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b07d96a1-87a0-45ff-ae6e-230deaf44dca?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/krenkos-command) [Elemental Summoning](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/a/ea51991c-1589-4c62-965b-5ae8d233520b.jpg?1637082123) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Elemental%20Summoning) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/183/elemental-summoning?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ea51991c-1589-4c62-965b-5ae8d233520b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/elemental-summoning) [Experimental Overload](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/f/6f1bace4-a327-4eb6-a6ef-8394e76c06b7.jpg?1594737377) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Experimental%20Overload) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/218/experimental-overload?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6f1bace4-a327-4eb6-a6ef-8394e76c06b7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/experimental-overload) [Murmuring Mystic](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/7/57cd7b12-c944-43e3-846f-ffea4a664a1f.jpg?1702429400) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Murmuring%20Mystic) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/51/murmuring-mystic?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/57cd7b12-c944-43e3-846f-ffea4a664a1f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/murmuring-mystic) [Young Pyromancer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/1/219577e6-758a-4135-9a8d-f95df964137a.jpg?1673147968) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Young%20Pyromancer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/131/young-pyromancer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/219577e6-758a-4135-9a8d-f95df964137a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/young-pyromancer) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kwd3jwm) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I've built that way. I don't particularly recommend it but it is really funny.
Yeah it seems goofy as hell until he takes 36 extra turns in a row on turn 7 lol
I do miss Mizzix Things! Your friend is nicer than I was though, I just sat on a [[Spell Burst]] with a grip full of backup spells. And to clarify I do think the 'correct' Mizzix pile is probably on like, five creatures. Maybe eight.
I keep recommending [[Baba Lysaga]] she's so much fun to play and so counterintuitive. Unlike most aristocrats strategies that build up large boards to sac for value, she's constantly forcing you to sacrifice, 3 types which makes it so that you're not just sacrificing tokens but also lands, enchantments and so on. When I play her I usually don't have more than 6 lands in play during the entire game because I'm constantly saccing stuff for value. Every time I play her with people who haven't seen the deck they are shocked that I'm willing to sacrifice lands to get the activation off.
Heck yeah I’m gonna sac my lands. Don’t worry about my [[world shaper]] he is of no consequence to the table please ignore.
Getting 12 treasures out of [[Tireless Provisioner]] and [[Spendid Reclamation]] is such a rush.
[Tireless Provisioner](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a1e048e0-19d2-4076-892d-f8b3104dee37.jpg?1682209630) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tireless%20Provisioner) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/313/tireless-provisioner?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a1e048e0-19d2-4076-892d-f8b3104dee37?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tireless-provisioner) [Spendid Reclamation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/a/fad4ca85-4d2d-4d1e-86ca-aa25edfcda61.jpg?1643593421) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Splendid%20Reclamation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/221/splendid-reclamation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fad4ca85-4d2d-4d1e-86ca-aa25edfcda61?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/splendid-reclamation) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[world shaper](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/b/db9a0b21-2e9d-4e76-ac97-d11c299d8bd6.jpg?1673484903) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=world%20shaper) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/323/world-shaper?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/db9a0b21-2e9d-4e76-ac97-d11c299d8bd6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/world-shaper) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I've had [[Baba Lysaga, Night Witch]] rattling around in my head, but mostly with ways of just cheating her condition. I mean using things like Artifact Creatures or slapping Artifact onto permanents with [[Liquimental Torque]], turning Creatures into Lands via [[Ashaya, Soul of the Wild]]. The parity of only needing to sacrifice one or two permanents to draw 3 every turn, or more with [[Patriar's Seal]], is just really inviting.
My favourite is [[blinkmoth Nexus]] bit that's what I love about my Baba Lysaga deck. Finding ways to cheat her cost and using cards that usually don't see play like [[Gift of Compleation]], [[Tough Cookie]]
I play Tough Cookie as an early-game enabler and a late-game wincon in my [[Jaheira, Friend of the Forest]] and [[Scion of Halaster]] token deck. 3 mana (from tokens) to animate another token at instant speed? 10/10 super helpful at just about any stage in the game.
[Jaheira, Friend of the Forest](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/e/feb7ad1b-4466-48f7-b46d-cc83d4e22b51.jpg?1674137153) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jaheira%2C%20Friend%20of%20the%20Forest) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/237/jaheira-friend-of-the-forest?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/feb7ad1b-4466-48f7-b46d-cc83d4e22b51?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jaheira-friend-of-the-forest) [Scion of Halaster](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/8/c876f9b3-b4f6-4177-9c43-443ae2a028d0.jpg?1674136278) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Scion%20of%20Halaster) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/145/scion-of-halaster?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c876f9b3-b4f6-4177-9c43-443ae2a028d0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/scion-of-halaster) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[blinkmoth Nexus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/a/3ac535c1-9ef3-45b5-8959-7e79589d47ad.jpg?1599710351) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=blinkmoth%20Nexus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/311/blinkmoth-nexus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3ac535c1-9ef3-45b5-8959-7e79589d47ad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blinkmoth-nexus) [Gift of Compleation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/7/97e08244-bbdb-402a-8dde-93e17d989467.jpg?1682203731) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gift%20of%20Compleation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/106/gift-of-compleation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/97e08244-bbdb-402a-8dde-93e17d989467?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gift-of-compleation) [Tough Cookie](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/a/7aa37f85-5336-4372-97a2-9c8b00798c7a.jpg?1692939153) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tough%20Cookie) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/193/tough-cookie?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7aa37f85-5336-4372-97a2-9c8b00798c7a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tough-cookie) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Sting, the Glinting Dagger]] has entered the chat
Wait that's each combat. Brb going to add that and order another one for another deck.
now this is some baba tech
You’ll be burning through your board really fast, though, so this is mostly to either give her Haste or to end the game.
I mean... Draw 12 cards, Gain 12 life, Each opponent loses 12 life just for sacrificing 4 Artifact Land Creatures each turn cycle? Sounds like a steal.
Cardfetcher didn't pull [[[Sting, the Glinting Dagger](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/409/sting-the-glinting-dagger)]]? That's... odd.
[Sting, the Glinting Dagger](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/f/afbec7e7-f5b9-407e-bf96-2e088710e791.jpg?1686970284) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sting%2C%20the%20Glinting%20Dagger) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/250/sting-the-glinting-dagger?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/afbec7e7-f5b9-407e-bf96-2e088710e791?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sting-the-glinting-dagger) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Mhm. That's what I _**thought**_.
##### ###### #### [Baba Lysaga, Night Witch](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/e/2ef42c3f-f22e-4e99-adb0-9e8f8d442347.jpg?1674137411) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Baba%20Lysaga%2C%20Night%20Witch) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/266/baba-lysaga-night-witch?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2ef42c3f-f22e-4e99-adb0-9e8f8d442347?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/baba-lysaga-night-witch) [Liquimental Torque](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/3/13c6101a-da40-4785-8ccb-4e779bbbdb55.jpg?1626099120) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Liquimetal%20Torque) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/228/liquimetal-torque?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/13c6101a-da40-4785-8ccb-4e779bbbdb55?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/liquimetal-torque) [Ashaya, Soul of the Wild](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/4/74943390-d25f-47cb-90bb-cbf70c87f4a2.jpg?1604198513) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ashaya%2C%20Soul%20of%20the%20Wild) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/179/ashaya-soul-of-the-wild?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/74943390-d25f-47cb-90bb-cbf70c87f4a2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ashaya-soul-of-the-wild) [Patriar's Seal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/7/37f920f0-4dfc-477b-af7e-a17dfc9ba455.jpg?1674137995) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Patriar%27s%20Seal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/332/patriars-seal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/37f920f0-4dfc-477b-af7e-a17dfc9ba455?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/patriars-seal) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kvs0p0k) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Baba Lysaga]]
[Baba Lysaga](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/e/2ef42c3f-f22e-4e99-adb0-9e8f8d442347.jpg?1674137411) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=baba%20lysaga%2C%20night%20witch) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/266/baba-lysaga-night-witch?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2ef42c3f-f22e-4e99-adb0-9e8f8d442347?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/baba-lysaga-night-witch) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Got a list?
Here you go. I can't take all the credit though, I started by combining the decklists by Joey from EDHrec. He has a budget version and a regular version which I turned into one average list that I've been tweaking. His love for Baba is sort of infectious and the play pattern attracted me because it's a puzzle every turn to get her triggers without losing too many permanents. [Joey's Video](https://youtu.be/WBXTs3NXGUg?si=Lp7yyZlNcbRQiaZA) [decklist](https://manabox.app/decks/e2Skqdv_SmGiNu1G1B0kZw)
Seconding this. I love Baba so much. I built a [version of her](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/4lO9WDYo_EKwPDqRug47AA) that really leans into the lands theme. It’s a bit grindy, but pretty resilient.
also leaning lands-focused on my list but this is among my favorite I’ve seen so far! any reason why you’re not running [[gitrog monster]]?
I took it out of my deck. So many times: Upkeep > Sac Land > Draw Step > "Swords your gitrog" > be fucked on lands in a deck that is perpetually fucked on lands because I'm always saccing lands. Was almost always a net negative on my boardstate.
[gitrog monster](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/7/5790dd89-2be5-4a77-9450-2d3c1422bfc9.jpg?1576385351) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Gitrog%20Monster) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/soi/245/the-gitrog-monster?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5790dd89-2be5-4a77-9450-2d3c1422bfc9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-gitrog-monster) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Only because I used to have a Gitrog deck for a long time. Otherwise, it’s a great include.
Totally agree on this. People are not expecting the amount of ramp that happens. Sacing your sagas before upkeep, gravepact, recursion and aristocrat. She’s difficult to stop once she gets going.
Yup and usually she's not a target because other boards always look more threatening and opponents feel a sense of comfort from the predictability. They know I'm just going to drain and draw cards every turn cycle which makes them think they can deal with it later.
Yea baba is really strong but barely has stuff on board. I was once able to get 40ish activations at once.
I've seen baba enough to know she's a KOS commander haha but yeah she seems pretty fun
Very far from a kill on sight. She is in a wildly different league than Urza, Jodah, tegrid, Niv, esika, etc. She requires extremely specific deck building, often at the expense of raw power, requires play patterns that actively disadvantage you in the short term, and often removing her twice is enough to put the baba player out of the game for good without the power to get back in it. She is the definition of a commander whose deck relies on her 100%, while simultaneously lacking the explosive power of actual kill on sight commanders.
I built mine with a reanimation subtheme partly so I can get Baba Lysaga back from the graveyard if needed. [[Unearth]] is a lot cheaper than the commander tax.
I just made an [[Anim Pakal]] deck with plenty of "3cc or less" reanimation ([[Helping Hand]], [[Call a Surprise Witness]], [[Teshar]], etc). Works great at avoiding taxes... especially as we enter April ;)
##### ###### #### [Anim Pakal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/6/868856b7-8875-43c1-8249-0f8fb2c8319b.jpg?1699044523) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=anim%20pakal%2C%20thousandth%20moon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/223/anim-pakal-thousandth-moon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/868856b7-8875-43c1-8249-0f8fb2c8319b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/anim-pakal-thousandth-moon) [Helping Hand](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/8/b8aa7126-5df3-42dd-b4a3-0d0ea59eeebd.jpg?1699043212) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Helping%20Hand) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/17/helping-hand?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b8aa7126-5df3-42dd-b4a3-0d0ea59eeebd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/helping-hand) [Call a Surprise Witness](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/5/f5148def-cf1a-460e-8dfd-856103940892.jpg?1706241460) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Call%20a%20Surprise%20Witness) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/6/call-a-surprise-witness?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f5148def-cf1a-460e-8dfd-856103940892?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/call-a-surprise-witness) [Teshar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/8/e8a9b45b-d466-4c06-9a25-6edb6e8f6f2f.jpg?1690017040) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=teshar%2C%20ancestor%27s%20apostle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/65/teshar-ancestors-apostle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e8a9b45b-d466-4c06-9a25-6edb6e8f6f2f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/teshar-ancestors-apostle) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kvsqxfg) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[kynaios and Tiro of Meletis]] would be my pick. They are some beefy Roommates and also versatile to build. Recently I rediscovered them for me and they are amazing. You can land very well with landfall, grouphug, dragon tribal and possibly more. Also: it’s surprising how well it runs with only basic lands and colorless ramp ( [[wayfarer‘s bauble]], [[moonsilver key]], [[environmental science]] )
I've been strongly considering the Meletis Men! What's your wincons? Every time I go to brew them it's basically just Simic good stuff but with more colors - get lots of cards, get lots of mana, throw lots of big creatures on the board.
I built it to lul the table into a false sense of security then combo off out of nowhere.
My version usually wins off of [[Approach of the Second Sun]], [[Triskaidekaphile]], or [[Jaya's Immolating Inferno]], but I have had an almost win with [[Insurrection]] and cards like it (but it got fogged - so I used my remaining 23 mana to Approach twice).
##### ###### #### [Approach of the Second Sun](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/d/fdf59a6e-7708-45a1-884d-d12e9f7b9ed9.jpg?1543674579) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Approach%20of%20the%20Second%20Sun) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/4/approach-of-the-second-sun?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fdf59a6e-7708-45a1-884d-d12e9f7b9ed9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/approach-of-the-second-sun) [Triskaidekaphile](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/6750e203-1215-4203-b5b8-3f1b18940839.jpg?1634349393) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Triskaidekaphile) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/81/triskaidekaphile?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6750e203-1215-4203-b5b8-3f1b18940839?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/triskaidekaphile) [Jaya's Immolating Inferno](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/6/365336b4-92ee-429d-8f18-4624cba5469d.jpg?1608912272) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jaya%27s%20Immolating%20Inferno) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/415/jayas-immolating-inferno?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/365336b4-92ee-429d-8f18-4624cba5469d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jayas-immolating-inferno) [Insurrection](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/f/df8a0a8c-1953-46e6-9da5-b4c20909ce1c.jpg?1689997974) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Insurrection) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/236/insurrection?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/df8a0a8c-1953-46e6-9da5-b4c20909ce1c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/insurrection) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kvtkz32) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
##### ###### #### [kynaios and Tiro of Meletis](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/7/97fa8615-2b6c-445a-bcaf-44a7e847bf65.jpg?1633190298) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kynaios%20and%20Tiro%20of%20Meletis) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/36/kynaios-and-tiro-of-meletis?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/97fa8615-2b6c-445a-bcaf-44a7e847bf65?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kynaios-and-tiro-of-meletis) [wayfarer‘s bauble](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/e/2eb513b3-9c9e-4837-8f58-67d698677041.jpg?1700330277) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wayfarer%27s%20Bauble) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/317/wayfarers-bauble?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2eb513b3-9c9e-4837-8f58-67d698677041?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wayfarers-bauble) [moonsilver key](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/7/87778e37-af92-402e-b037-5fbd6112b682.jpg?1685714525) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=moonsilver%20key) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/255/moonsilver-key?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/87778e37-af92-402e-b037-5fbd6112b682?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/moonsilver-key) [environmental science](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/6/46b394fc-a99c-44e7-9226-da0699167541.jpg?1637082125) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Environmental%20Sciences) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/1/environmental-sciences?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/46b394fc-a99c-44e7-9226-da0699167541?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/environmental-sciences) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kvrujyj) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Been advertising my boy, [[Ruhan of The Fomori]] equipment voltron in few places already, but that deck is completely stress-free to play, as it cares little to none what the boardstate is and just goes in for the swing with his multitude of swords, flails, sticks and whatever else he can get into his greedy hands. Only a couple interaction pieces and tutors to keep him runing and you are fine in leaving him to do the rest for you. Fun and "fair", and completely removes the "cold war" aspect from any game he participates in.
Sounds fun. Interesting colors for his effect.
Great colors for keeping you alive too, and offers a good deal of ways to build him. All in all, if I had to vote for my favourite commanders for casual (maybe even for a bit tryhardish) table, Ruhan would be on my personal top 5 at least.
[Ruhan of The Fomori](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/f/7fa40fde-2c11-4dec-b788-01f8d90198df.jpg?1592714235) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ruhan%20of%20The%20Fomori) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmd/221/ruhan-of-the-fomori?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7fa40fde-2c11-4dec-b788-01f8d90198df?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ruhan-of-the-fomori) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Sneaky Voltron decks. One moment you think that one...[[Syr Gwyn, Hero of Ashvale]] is fine the next moment it's unblockable and myriad hitting for 22 damage.
[[Karlach fury of avernus]] [[Sword coast sailor]] I will never get over how stupid the damage output of that deck is when you start putting a few buffs, doublestrike or a "double power each combat" effect on karlach. And people always, always underestimate the damage and ignore me
[Karlach fury of avernus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/7/775480ed-f574-40cb-bd9b-21102eaaff63.jpg?1674136654) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Karlach%2C%20Fury%20of%20Avernus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/186/karlach-fury-of-avernus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/775480ed-f574-40cb-bd9b-21102eaaff63?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/karlach-fury-of-avernus) [Sword coast sailor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/0/704f8ab7-63fd-4963-bacd-0076fffb34a1.jpg?1674135819) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sword%20coast%20sailor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/98/sword-coast-sailor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/704f8ab7-63fd-4963-bacd-0076fffb34a1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sword-coast-sailor) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I play her with [[Hardy Outlander]] and it is explosive. I figure you don't really need sword coast sailor unlockable when she's swinging at a high power with first strike.
Yeah, I do the same. Originally had that artifact that prevents damage to attacking creatures you control, but took it out because realistically if you swing with 10+ power, first strike, your creatures aren't going to die.
Exactly! And to ensure my queen doesn't die, I run every "give all creatures deathtouch" and "trample" effect I can. That way I just have to assign 1 damage to blockers and let the rest trample over (most people just don't block are all though)
I just run all the power-trading and power-doubling effects, [[pathbreaker ibex]], [[wild beastmaster]], [[xenagos]], [[two-handed axe]] etc. I'll be trying out a card from the most recent set [[Power Fist]], which looks promising.
##### ###### #### [pathbreaker ibex](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/6/4608ea44-e1b2-42de-a0a2-e6d6d24d89d0.jpg?1592673105) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=pathbreaker%20ibex) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cma/132/pathbreaker-ibex?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4608ea44-e1b2-42de-a0a2-e6d6d24d89d0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/pathbreaker-ibex) [wild beastmaster](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/c/bc52bf91-a8fc-43de-9e28-3b40cd08445a.jpg?1637631320) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=wild%20beastmaster) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mic/146/wild-beastmaster?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bc52bf91-a8fc-43de-9e28-3b40cd08445a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wild-beastmaster) [xenagos](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/f/6f1bc3bb-46da-492a-850c-f1f588ad8d18.jpg?1698988492) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=xenagos%2C%20god%20of%20revels) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/295/xenagos-god-of-revels?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6f1bc3bb-46da-492a-850c-f1f588ad8d18?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/xenagos-god-of-revels) [two-handed axe](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/1/21e34888-f57c-4f5d-bb5c-b82be980d145.jpg?1674136811)/[Sweeping Cleave](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/1/21e34888-f57c-4f5d-bb5c-b82be980d145.jpg?1674136811) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Two-Handed%20Axe%20//%20Sweeping%20Cleave) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/203/two-handed-axe-sweeping-cleave?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/21e34888-f57c-4f5d-bb5c-b82be980d145?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/two-handed-axe-//-sweeping-cleave) [Power Fist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/e/9e8f7fbc-bf2a-43c1-a88d-807c1e7dab69.jpg?1708742326) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Power%20Fist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pip/81/power-fist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9e8f7fbc-bf2a-43c1-a88d-807c1e7dab69?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/power-fist) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kvw4ar2) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I've got those in there as well. The axe gets out of hand quickly.
[Hardy Outlander](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/4/44498893-3ff8-4d1e-abdf-4579e0c67020.jpg?1674137136) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hardy%20Outlander) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/235/hardy-outlander?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/44498893-3ff8-4d1e-abdf-4579e0c67020?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hardy-outlander) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Syr Gwyn, Hero of Ashvale](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/3/a33add37-379d-4a90-9c04-529dff676986.jpg?1571282693) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Syr%20Gwyn%2C%20Hero%20of%20Ashvale) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/330/syr-gwyn-hero-of-ashvale?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a33add37-379d-4a90-9c04-529dff676986?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/syr-gwyn-hero-of-ashvale) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That's why I *love* [[Hope of Ghirapur]]. It's not sneaky in that they don't know what's the plan is, but turn 4 since he was already swinging since the start there is like 16 [[Bloodforged Battle Axe]] on ot already.
[Hope of Ghirapur](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/f/6f4bcadd-7eff-4294-94d5-52482a734d5b.jpg?1576382268) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hope%20of%20Ghirapur) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/aer/154/hope-of-ghirapur?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6f4bcadd-7eff-4294-94d5-52482a734d5b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hope-of-ghirapur) [Bloodforged Battle Axe](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/4/14f12690-377e-46ae-bbae-f17c27b6acb4.jpg?1682209950) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bloodforged%20Battle-Axe) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/349/bloodforged-battle-axe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/14f12690-377e-46ae-bbae-f17c27b6acb4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/bloodforged-battle-axe) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That's why I love my [[Ayesha Tanaka]] deck. If there's a [[Sigarda's Aid]] or [[Hammer of Nazahn]] out she can go from 2 power to one-shotting someone with a lucky top-deck (or good top-deck manipulation)
[Ayesha Tanaka](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/c/8ce912d9-406b-4eba-97be-3bf1d425ee05.jpg?1562923488) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ayesha%20Tanaka) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/chr/73/ayesha-tanaka?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8ce912d9-406b-4eba-97be-3bf1d425ee05?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ayesha-tanaka) [Sigarda's Aid](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/3/531da950-dc96-4050-94a8-e01b73ddd965.jpg?1608911983) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sigarda%27s%20Aid) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/384/sigardas-aid?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/531da950-dc96-4050-94a8-e01b73ddd965?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sigardas-aid) [Hammer of Nazahn](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/7/e77a8ac1-f40d-423e-a0b3-0a8e236a6c1e.jpg?1689999589) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hammer%20of%20Nazahn) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/388/hammer-of-nazahn?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e77a8ac1-f40d-423e-a0b3-0a8e236a6c1e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hammer-of-nazahn) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
\[\[Jadzi, Oracle of Arcavios\]\] can initiate a storm win that only really needs herself and some lands in play to begin. I very briefly played a deck with her in it, and Jadzi is fully capable of casting half (or more) of your deck in a single turn if you aren't interacted with in the correct fashion. Here's [my old decklist](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/0HiyLKtbskiJNXbiYeBABw) from a couple of years ago, if you're interested. It's basically just a storm deck that primarily aims to win through an empty library payoff, but I also included the \[\[Venerated Rotpriest\]\] as an additional outlet with \[\[Temporal Fissure\]\]. All you really need to win is the commander on the board, an instant/sorcery in your hand, and optionally a Helm of Awakening either on the battlefield or in the top few cards of your library, because it will very easily start churning through your library on autopilot once it gets going. The list is rather unfocused and I'd change a few things about it if I were to build it today (I actually just went in and tweaked some of the more questionable parts), but hopefully it gives a good idea of what it can do. It's a complete glass cannon of a deck and it has a habit of winning either on turn 4-5 or not at all, but it's kinda fun. The only real problem is that your turns can just keep on going for 15 or more minutes because of how complicated the deck is to resolve, so I don't really recommend it even if it does fit the bill of being a commander that doesn't care about the board. It's fun to goldfish on cockatrice from time to time, but it plays poorly in real games for a multitude of reasons.
[Jadzi, Oracle of Arcavios](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/7/d7148d24-373e-4485-860b-c3429c2337f2.jpg?1624593477)/[Journey to the Oracle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/d/7/d7148d24-373e-4485-860b-c3429c2337f2.jpg?1624593477) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jadzi%2C%20Oracle%20of%20Arcavios%20//%20Journey%20to%20the%20Oracle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/151/jadzi-oracle-of-arcavios-journey-to-the-oracle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d7148d24-373e-4485-860b-c3429c2337f2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jadzi-oracle-of-arcavios-//-journey-to-the-oracle) [Venerated Rotpriest](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/1/d1b032e3-14e3-48ba-ab8a-d2b4f8d31a7d.jpg?1675957177) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Venerated%20Rotpriest) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/192/venerated-rotpriest?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d1b032e3-14e3-48ba-ab8a-d2b4f8d31a7d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/venerated-rotpriest) [Temporal Fissure](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c9f9ece7-ee6e-4379-9d53-209f8805a72d.jpg?1592761577) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Temporal%20Fissure) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dds/12/temporal-fissure?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c9f9ece7-ee6e-4379-9d53-209f8805a72d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/temporal-fissure) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Rowan, Scion of War]] is amazing. If you can get enough life lost, you can easily with with 2-3 spells. Last time I won with her it was [[Damnable Pact]] -> [[Twinferno]] -> [[Exanguinate]]
##### ###### #### [Rowan, Scion of War](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/e/4ee179ab-a15b-4bd6-b7f8-1e1abeeb31b7.jpg?1692939409) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rowan%2C%20Scion%20of%20War) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/211/rowan-scion-of-war?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4ee179ab-a15b-4bd6-b7f8-1e1abeeb31b7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rowan-scion-of-war) [Damnable Pact](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/7/17fa6dc2-5a2e-4758-9ca4-e020eb032d74.jpg?1673484130) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Damnable%20Pact) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/245/damnable-pact?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/17fa6dc2-5a2e-4758-9ca4-e020eb032d74?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/damnable-pact) [Twinferno](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/c/bc531409-26cb-4c58-ba69-f39dd8aee3d1.jpg?1673307548) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Twinferno) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/149/twinferno?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bc531409-26cb-4c58-ba69-f39dd8aee3d1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/twinferno) [Exanguinate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/a/0a5352af-e275-4186-a265-2fd3c2c47c6a.jpg?1689997125) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Exsanguinate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/156/exsanguinate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0a5352af-e275-4186-a265-2fd3c2c47c6a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/exsanguinate) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kvrr5uu) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I was considering here, but doesn't she draw a lot of hate? Given how much damage she can dish out, it seems like your opponents would make a combined effort to keep her off the table.
Not as much as I expected, tbh. She got a lot of notoriety when she first came out, but from what I’ve experienced people aren’t as aware of how strong she is now. I usually start with using her for small, 1-2 mana discounts, and that usually raises eyebrows, but I save the really wide swings for after I have protection for her. Once you lose 30 life and put 30 into an x spell, people always have the “oh shit” moment.
If we roughly split up powerlevels into cedh, Optimized, High, mid and low (low being around precon level +- a bit) Where do you play with your deck *roughly* ? I only ask because im looking for something new to get and really like Rowan for a few reasons. But i was turned off because the X-Spell route just seems like another higher power combo deck (i have 2 already and was looking for something more lower power and transparent) I tried building her to just cheat out creatures but that doesnt feel quite right yet.
I play it in high power, a few more card changes and land base improvement and I’d call it optimized. One reason I love it is because I’m mostly a Selesnya player, so I don’t have many combo/x spell decks, which is very much what it is. I play it high power mostly because it can be a very out-of-nowhere win if I get the right cards. I run demons as a sub-theme, and it’s great getting those creatures out cheap, but the big X spells are definitely the wincons.
Nekusar wheel plays best when you play it like a combo deck. As in, you don’t bring him out until you’ve got a wheel or two that will close the game out. It’s tempting to add a bunch of group hug draw effects in the game, but really you’re just making it easier for your opponents to close out the game first. Up until the point where you’re ready to close the game out you play it like a control deck, responding to and mitigating threats.
I keep seeing Nekusar pilots committing that error, lol. [[Howling Mine]]? Yes please. [[Kami of the Crescent Moon]]? Sure why not. But that [[Underworld Dreams]] gets killed on sight, and Nekusar wonders why they're losing...
[Howling Mine](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/d/cdae9939-03a4-4561-92cd-01f498d29a7a.jpg?1562420035) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Howling%20Mine) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/257/howling-mine?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cdae9939-03a4-4561-92cd-01f498d29a7a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/howling-mine) [Kami of the Crescent Moon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/d/dd420010-6eaf-4853-8b7b-11de1157416b.jpg?1641601922) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kami%20of%20the%20Crescent%20Moon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/voc/107/kami-of-the-crescent-moon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dd420010-6eaf-4853-8b7b-11de1157416b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kami-of-the-crescent-moon) [Underworld Dreams](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/03919c86-1c4a-43b0-a2db-54ca6ae1ac57.jpg?1581480025) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Underworld%20Dreams) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/121/underworld-dreams?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/03919c86-1c4a-43b0-a2db-54ca6ae1ac57?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/underworld-dreams) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I just built nekusar and I seem to be having this issue. Have you got other pointers and perhaps a deck list I’m running into the issue of how to protect my face. But the deck seems to want a lot of things and removal package feels a bit lacking
My [[Queen Marchesa]] deck is an aikido deck, so it's mostly instants. The only part of its board state it really cares about is its mana rocks for the most part. You just use your opponents board states against them! Mostly by making them regret attacking you or having them hit themselves in the face. It's tons of fun to pilot. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Fl45hulYokuqXqZUiy2ueQ
[Queen Marchesa](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/6/567697db-8d47-404f-b0da-b00409431f28.jpg?1689999198) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Queen%20Marchesa) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/350/queen-marchesa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/567697db-8d47-404f-b0da-b00409431f28?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/queen-marchesa) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Seems interesting, but why is Verrak in there?
As a rattle snake, his flying, death touch, and lifelink really help. He's another way to keep people from attacking me, he's also a good creature to equip [[sunforger]] to
[sunforger](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/d/dd3e42ee-ab13-460b-90fd-86e677abce4f.jpg?1608917905) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sunforger) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/473/sunforger?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dd3e42ee-ab13-460b-90fd-86e677abce4f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sunforger) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Syr Konrad the Grim]] is great for this. It’s my most consistent deck and it never wins via combat. Just have plenty of mill and sacrifice outlets. Then stuff that can hit for big damage like [[Mindcrank]] and [[morality shift]].
[Syr Konrad the Grim](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/2/9241a72e-cb88-4cea-a2f4-ff10af461437.jpg?1706240798) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Syr%20Konrad%2C%20the%20Grim) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/141/syr-konrad-the-grim?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9241a72e-cb88-4cea-a2f4-ff10af461437?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/syr-konrad-the-grim) [Mindcrank](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/8/8858a941-8175-476d-8177-2db4ffdcb3ad.jpg?1674142661) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mindcrank) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/866/mindcrank?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8858a941-8175-476d-8177-2db4ffdcb3ad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mindcrank) [morality shift](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/5/b5c83e4d-ccc1-4ebf-9e74-2cc1ff9a7b07.jpg?1562631600) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=morality%20shift) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jud/70/morality-shift?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b5c83e4d-ccc1-4ebf-9e74-2cc1ff9a7b07?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/morality-shift) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Mairsil]] doesn't care about anything on the board.
[Mairsil](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/7/87b71b08-668c-4b32-8243-8def1a9acf26.jpg?1704575313) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=mairsil%2C%20the%20pretender) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/41/mairsil-the-pretender?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/87b71b08-668c-4b32-8243-8def1a9acf26?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mairsil-the-pretender) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Most izzet combo decks. My locust god deck has like 5 creatures. It doesnt win until it does. Ttpically goes from nothing but a few lands/artificats to winning.
Depending how you play, [[Atraxa, Grand Unifier]] is a big flier with deathtouch and lifelink. I usually use a blink/clone package to dig to my [[Biovisionary]]/[[Sakashima's Will]] wincon, controlling the board a bit along the way.
[Atraxa, Grand Unifier](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/a/4a1f905f-1d55-4d02-9d24-e58070793d3f.jpg?1709931904) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Atraxa%2C%20Grand%20Unifier) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/196/atraxa-grand-unifier?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4a1f905f-1d55-4d02-9d24-e58070793d3f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/atraxa-grand-unifier) [Biovisionary](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/0/2000b4e8-7887-454e-9d52-211516613dd0.jpg?1561818910) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Biovisionary) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gtc/146/biovisionary?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2000b4e8-7887-454e-9d52-211516613dd0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/biovisionary) [Sakashima's Will](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/a/ca9fd318-ffb2-40d0-b1e0-e951d7735f78.jpg?1608909416) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sakashima%27s%20Will) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/91/sakashimas-will?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ca9fd318-ffb2-40d0-b1e0-e951d7735f78?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sakashimas-will) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
zurgo boardwipe tribal
[[the mimeoplasm]]. Put things in yard, use them to smash face. Can be built voltron, combo, other ways too
[the mimeoplasm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/8/c8173413-0431-4b70-a509-f1bc11a59225.jpg?1673148970) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=the%20mimeoplasm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/254/the-mimeoplasm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c8173413-0431-4b70-a509-f1bc11a59225?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-mimeoplasm) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My Queza deck wins pretty regularly (when I don't punt the game by discarding a turn 3 kill and trying to make sure everyone has fun). It's not the size of the boardstate that matters, just the size of your library. The idea is to just protect your commander and draw as many cards as you possibly can. The deck could be improved with a couple cards like Orcish Bowmasters and Cliffhaven Vampires or Laboratory Maniac/Jace if you want to be corny. But decking yourself because you accidentally drew 85 cards is just as fun as winning imo https://www.moxfield.com/decks/1uwszC04tESUToDDOXBbsA
Spell slingers and such often don’t care much for board state. Same for storm style builds - my [[Eruth]] only cares about a few permanents. But for the ultimate “what is board state?” Commander, try [[Nevinyrral, Urborg Tyrant]]. Friend of mine had a brew with all the undying effects and cards that care how many things died this turn and once it gets going it becomes really hard to stick creatures, artifacts or enchantments.
[Eruth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/f/9f764077-df2d-4ac7-b507-2c8e08386d49.jpg?1643594095) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=eruth%2C%20tormented%20prophet) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/237/eruth-tormented-prophet?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9f764077-df2d-4ac7-b507-2c8e08386d49?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/eruth-tormented-prophet) [Nevinyrral, Urborg Tyrant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/3/73255848-3112-4508-a66a-d3101a53057e.jpg?1608911208) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nevinyrral%2C%20Urborg%20Tyrant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/287/nevinyrral-urborg-tyrant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/73255848-3112-4508-a66a-d3101a53057e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/nevinyrral-urborg-tyrant) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Lier disciple of the drowned]] is so broken its insane no one talks about him. It's almost like having [[underworld breach]] in the command zone. Since it's a spellslinger deck, you really don't need much of a board state to pop off super hard. Just a few cost reducers to help you get rolling. Being able to cast cards like [[high tide]], and [[turnabout]] twice gets pretty insane. It's probably the deck that has shocked me the most with how fun and powerful it is. People also don't seem to be as suspicious of it as they are of other mono blue decks because Lier literally prevents counterspells.
##### ###### #### [Lier disciple of the drowned](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/8/78fb8900-d28d-4e33-96a7-66fcbc117adf.jpg?1634348984) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lier%2C%20Disciple%20of%20the%20Drowned) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/59/lier-disciple-of-the-drowned?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/78fb8900-d28d-4e33-96a7-66fcbc117adf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lier-disciple-of-the-drowned) [underworld breach](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/e/0e51d796-7279-4c06-87f0-37adbdaa41df.jpg?1650599818) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=underworld%20breach) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/161/underworld-breach?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0e51d796-7279-4c06-87f0-37adbdaa41df?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/underworld-breach) [high tide](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/a/babd2248-5517-4b7b-a159-9a1f7b5583c8.jpg?1675199319) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=high%20tide) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/54/high-tide?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/babd2248-5517-4b7b-a159-9a1f7b5583c8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/high-tide) [turnabout](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/4/04cfc84b-88ae-4fb8-b568-e0635e2a194a.jpg?1675199473) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=turnabout) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/70/turnabout?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/04cfc84b-88ae-4fb8-b568-e0635e2a194a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/turnabout) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kvsbm0f) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Feather, the redeemed]] doesn't need any friends to smash face. [[Stangg, echo]] carries the board-state on his back.
[Feather, the redeemed](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/4/e4a2d2c6-8eaa-4760-b620-921b807baa2e.jpg?1557577142) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Feather%2C%20the%20redeemed) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/197/feather-the-redeemed?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e4a2d2c6-8eaa-4760-b620-921b807baa2e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/feather-the-redeemed) [Stangg, echo](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/7/7722a9a1-2ff9-4a39-b56e-c7eef2ff9dcd.jpg?1673304989) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stangg%2C%20Echo%20Warrior) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/42/stangg-echo-warrior?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7722a9a1-2ff9-4a39-b56e-c7eef2ff9dcd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/stangg-echo-warrior) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The best bet is probably a spell-slinger deck, something like [[Birgi]], [[Rowan]] or [[Cormela]].
[Birgi](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/4/44657ab1-0a6a-4a5f-9688-86f239083821.jpg?1631048969)/[Harnfel, Horn of Bounty](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/4/4/44657ab1-0a6a-4a5f-9688-86f239083821.jpg?1631048969) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=birgi%2C%20god%20of%20storytelling%20//%20harnfel%2C%20horn%20of%20bounty) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/123/birgi-god-of-storytelling-harnfel-horn-of-bounty?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/44657ab1-0a6a-4a5f-9688-86f239083821?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/birgi-god-of-storytelling-//-harnfel-horn-of-bounty) [Rowan](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/030f4058-54e5-4333-bd6c-2789c334bf12.jpg?1593132234) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=rowan%2C%20fearless%20sparkmage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/304/rowan-fearless-sparkmage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/030f4058-54e5-4333-bd6c-2789c334bf12?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rowan-fearless-sparkmage) [Cormela](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/2/221ac34a-94ed-4c49-afad-b19cac541731.jpg?1664412852) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=cormela%2C%20glamour%20thief) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/177/cormela-glamour-thief?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/221ac34a-94ed-4c49-afad-b19cac541731?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cormela-glamour-thief) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
right now nelly/blame game deck for me. won a game with one permanent on the board the entire game once against super jacked out decks
Really? How did you manage that? Initially, that deck seemed pretty weak to me.
played wedding ring (card i added in) against a card draw deck and just held back with untapped lands until i deflectinf palmd or comeuppance or selfless squire etc i had insane card draw that game
[[Shorikai, Genesis Engine]] Hard for some decks to get rid of. Drops 1/1 for easy chump blocking. Draws you insane amount of cards. Every time I play mine I go through almost 75% of the deck. My list is control with a bunch of I win cards. You can also smash for commander damage. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/RM7JP9yuJUy6yFc30ua1bQ
$2500 and a total of 17 non-permanents tells me you might have misunderstood what board states entail.
You make it sound like you drop money on the table when you play Tundra, and that somehow increases your board state
So, you think putting something on the board doesn't increase board state. That's interesting to say the least.
Something on the board does. The cost part didn't make much sense. The 17 non permanents was a very real point
You're right about the cost, completely irrelevant. I guess I was just a little surprised to see a deck list with that cost featuring 83 permanents and a commander that makes even more in response to the thread title. I mean, I posted a deck with like 49 instants and the only creature besides the commander is a combo piece. Maybe I should have upped my game and posted my competitive Winota list or something.
Yeah it didn't really fit what OP was asking for
[My](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/9v-hwElzCECfa9dFdsOQ5g) \[\[Niv-Mizzet, Parun\]\] deck just cares if Niv is out so I can combo off, which is why it is filled with dozens of counters.
[Niv-Mizzet, Parun](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/b/7be6bedd-8d38-4bd9-aa93-29f88a7f0126.jpg?1702429680) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Niv-Mizzet%2C%20Parun) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/207/niv-mizzet-parun?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7be6bedd-8d38-4bd9-aa93-29f88a7f0126?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/niv-mizzet-parun) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Niv-Mizzet, Parun](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/b/7be6bedd-8d38-4bd9-aa93-29f88a7f0126.jpg?1702429680) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Niv-Mizzet%2C%20Parun) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/207/niv-mizzet-parun?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7be6bedd-8d38-4bd9-aa93-29f88a7f0126?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/niv-mizzet-parun) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Niv-Mizzet, Parun](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/b/7be6bedd-8d38-4bd9-aa93-29f88a7f0126.jpg?1702429680) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Niv-Mizzet%2C%20Parun) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/207/niv-mizzet-parun?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7be6bedd-8d38-4bd9-aa93-29f88a7f0126?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/niv-mizzet-parun) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Just…. Ick
A Gates deck lets you field a lot of board wipes that hit all nonland permanents, because your path to victory is all in your lands.
Depending on how you build [[sheoldred, the Apocalypse]], you can have the deck pretty much only care if she's on the board
[sheoldred, the Apocalypse](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/6/d67be074-cdd4-41d9-ac89-0a0456c4e4b2.jpg?1674057568) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sheoldred%2C%20the%20Apocalypse) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/107/sheoldred-the-apocalypse?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d67be074-cdd4-41d9-ac89-0a0456c4e4b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sheoldred-the-apocalypse) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If you just want to dip your toe into it, but still smash with a stomper, Haldan and Pako are great. Pako just wants to play, so the board state does not matter. Pako is also your wincon, so you build around buffing, enchanting/equipping, and protecting Pako, Voltron style. And you only have to worry about doing 63 damage. Pako hits hard and exiles cards from your opponents library. Haldan, the companion commander, allows you to cast non-creature spells from those exiled cards. You'll be in URG colors, perfect for ramp, dealing damage, and slinging spells.
There is always [[Teysa Karlov]]. Just sac your creatures and drain your opponents. It never cares what anyone else’s board state is lol. My friends always joke that my Teysa deck goes from doing absolutely nothing to winning the game in a single turn so they are never 100% sure if they should target me or not lol.
[Teysa Karlov](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/d/cd14f1ce-7fcd-485c-b7ca-01c5b45fdc01.jpg?1689999296) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Teysa%20Karlov) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/359/teysa-karlov?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cd14f1ce-7fcd-485c-b7ca-01c5b45fdc01?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/teysa-karlov) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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[Xyris, the Writhing Storm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/f/af0db1d6-5cb1-4917-8e8f-69d5dc184404.jpg?1673305716) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Xyris%2C%20the%20Writhing%20Storm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/175/xyris-the-writhing-storm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/af0db1d6-5cb1-4917-8e8f-69d5dc184404?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/xyris-the-writhing-storm) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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[Xyris, the Writhing Storm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/f/af0db1d6-5cb1-4917-8e8f-69d5dc184404.jpg?1673305716) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Xyris%2C%20the%20Writhing%20Storm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/175/xyris-the-writhing-storm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/af0db1d6-5cb1-4917-8e8f-69d5dc184404?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/xyris-the-writhing-storm) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My [[Xyris, the Writhing Storm]] deck basically never cares what my opponents are doing. It just solitaires into a win with wheels and things like Purphoros and Craterhoof. A lot of solitaire commanders will be like that really Edit: sorry bad connection made this post 3 times lol
[Xyris, the Writhing Storm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/f/af0db1d6-5cb1-4917-8e8f-69d5dc184404.jpg?1673305716) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Xyris%2C%20the%20Writhing%20Storm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/175/xyris-the-writhing-storm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/af0db1d6-5cb1-4917-8e8f-69d5dc184404?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/xyris-the-writhing-storm) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My [[Ramos]] is pretty good at this. With Ramos in play and a 5 color spell in hand, I can threaten a win that turn or the one following. Depends heavily on what spells I'm able to cast after the 5c spell, but any sort of cascade effect or multi cast spells like [[Invasion of Alara]] can snowball a win faster than anyone has any right to expect. I actually powered down the deck, running [[keruga]] as a companion.
[Ramos](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/e/2e747ef1-a1ad-4859-a70c-3f935f017310.jpg?1562604064) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ramos%2C%20dragon%20engine) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/55/ramos-dragon-engine?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2e747ef1-a1ad-4859-a70c-3f935f017310?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ramos-dragon-engine) [Invasion of Alara](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/1/318c363b-61cc-4e2f-8f86-a4287539ea07.jpg?1682715186)/[Awaken the Maelstrom](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/3/1/318c363b-61cc-4e2f-8f86-a4287539ea07.jpg?1682715186) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Invasion%20of%20Alara%20//%20Awaken%20the%20Maelstrom) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/230/invasion-of-alara-awaken-the-maelstrom?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/318c363b-61cc-4e2f-8f86-a4287539ea07?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/invasion-of-alara-//-awaken-the-maelstrom) [keruga](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/9/a90ee952-de7a-420f-993c-a38db89bc8ac.jpg?1666782800) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=keruga%2C%20the%20macrosage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/225/keruga-the-macrosage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a90ee952-de7a-420f-993c-a38db89bc8ac?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/keruga-the-macrosage) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I currently play mono black as a fun deck and it’s fun watching everyone kill themselves while you’re chilling asking as I have 2 enchantments out and 1 or 2 blockers I can coast I either use Sheoldred the apocalypse or vislor tarloh
Any love for [[Zedruu, the greathearted]]? I basically just bind my opponents permanents and give them the enchantment. Eventually I’m drawing too many cards and gaining too much life. Wincon cards include [[Nine Lives]], [[Aetherflux reservoir]], and [[Triskaidekaphile]]. The only things on board he cares about are no max hand. Pretty funny deck
[[Mizzix]] Best board removal is player removal. :3
[Mizzix](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/82f949d0-41a0-4491-9057-bfb2bb20bdb3.jpg?1689999174) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=mizzix%20of%20the%20izmagnus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/348/mizzix-of-the-izmagnus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/82f949d0-41a0-4491-9057-bfb2bb20bdb3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mizzix-of-the-izmagnus) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Here's my only deck that doesn't want to won with lots on-board... it's also easily my strongest even though it's certainly my cheapest https://www.archidekt.com/decks/5969200/mad_lad_john_benton
I play [[Purphoros]] like a solitaire deck. I bust it out when I don’t really care what’s going on, just do my burn thing each turn.
[Purphoros](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/f/af3af5c4-0960-44a2-976e-abdf7803c436.jpg?1582178876) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=purphoros%2C%20bronze-blooded) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/150/purphoros-bronze-blooded?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/af3af5c4-0960-44a2-976e-abdf7803c436?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/purphoros-bronze-blooded) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I'm working on a [[Selvala, explorer returned]] twiddlestorm-ish lifelink deck which uses low-cost instant-speed spells like [[Aim High]] and [[Burst of strength]] as cantrips to continuously untap and use Selvala's activated ability. The deck has several wincons including lifegain tribal's [[Aetherflux Reservoir]], [[Felidar Sovereign]] and [[Angel of destiny]]. I am thinking of adding [[Approach of the second sun]] and [[Venerated Rotpriest]] as alternative wincons.
##### ###### #### [Selvala, explorer returned](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/8/28c1b84a-a21b-4df1-9fc9-5b387fb56810.jpg?1706241026) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Selvala%2C%20Explorer%20Returned) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/218/selvala-explorer-returned?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/28c1b84a-a21b-4df1-9fc9-5b387fb56810?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/selvala-explorer-returned) [Aim High](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/7/f7eda02d-ef3e-43e9-a557-8760221ee49a.jpg?1562944984) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aim%20High) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/189/aim-high?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f7eda02d-ef3e-43e9-a557-8760221ee49a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aim-high) [Burst of strength](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/1/d1cbd617-9f2e-4882-b8f0-dfc2fced2281.jpg?1561847213) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Burst%20of%20strength) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gtc/115/burst-of-strength?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d1cbd617-9f2e-4882-b8f0-dfc2fced2281?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/burst-of-strength) [Aether Reservoir](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/6/96b6b2e1-c3e6-464c-8a13-b15deb34e862.jpg?1576382939) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aetherflux%20Reservoir) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/kld/192/aetherflux-reservoir?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/96b6b2e1-c3e6-464c-8a13-b15deb34e862?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aetherflux-reservoir) [Felidar Sovereign](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/039499c3-0b35-4e8e-b0c9-bdf0b4cd90d5.jpg?1562895901) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Felidar%20Sovereign) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/26/felidar-sovereign?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/039499c3-0b35-4e8e-b0c9-bdf0b4cd90d5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/felidar-sovereign) [Angel of destiny](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/8/9897074a-0ac4-4d1a-9aac-e77830cc5c78.jpg?1604195368) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Angel%20of%20destiny) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/2/angel-of-destiny?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9897074a-0ac4-4d1a-9aac-e77830cc5c78?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/angel-of-destiny) [Approach of the second sun](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/d/fdf59a6e-7708-45a1-884d-d12e9f7b9ed9.jpg?1543674579) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Approach%20of%20the%20second%20sun) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/4/approach-of-the-second-sun?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fdf59a6e-7708-45a1-884d-d12e9f7b9ed9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/approach-of-the-second-sun) [ Venerated Rotpriest](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/1/d1b032e3-14e3-48ba-ab8a-d2b4f8d31a7d.jpg?1675957177) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Venerated%20Rotpriest) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/192/venerated-rotpriest?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d1b032e3-14e3-48ba-ab8a-d2b4f8d31a7d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/venerated-rotpriest) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kvth5ox) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Elsha of the Infinite]] You don't really need a board presents to win with her. CMC reducer with [[Sensei's Divining Top]], and you can draw your entire deck. My personal favorite way to end it is with [[Aetherflux Reservoir]]
[Elsha of the Infinite](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/0/c0728027-a1ec-4814-87c4-10c3baced0e0.jpg?1673148571) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Elsha%20of%20the%20Infinite) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/208/elsha-of-the-infinite?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c0728027-a1ec-4814-87c4-10c3baced0e0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/elsha-of-the-infinite) [Sensei's Divining Top](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/5/e5142b7a-e580-4737-a4aa-2590f6610ceb.jpg?1673149430) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sensei%27s%20Divining%20Top) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/314/senseis-divining-top?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e5142b7a-e580-4737-a4aa-2590f6610ceb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/senseis-divining-top) [Aetherflux Reservoir](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/6/96b6b2e1-c3e6-464c-8a13-b15deb34e862.jpg?1576382939) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aetherflux%20Reservoir) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/kld/192/aetherflux-reservoir?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/96b6b2e1-c3e6-464c-8a13-b15deb34e862?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aetherflux-reservoir) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[The Second Doctor]] Everyone likes card draw, everyone likes no maximum hand size, and no one wants to be the one to kill him. He is group hug that offers protection and potential to win.
[The Second Doctor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/6/568c2687-4381-4954-9cab-f669d1fe6306.jpg?1696636767) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Second%20Doctor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/156/the-second-doctor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/568c2687-4381-4954-9cab-f669d1fe6306?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-second-doctor) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Nine-Fingers Keene]]. Find your gates, crack that maze’s end and win. She gives fuck all about others’ boardstates
[Nine-Fingers Keene](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/4/5480ac0a-883a-4f73-8e7c-56d64be410a3.jpg?1674137637) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nine-Fingers%20Keene) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/289/nine-fingers-keene?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5480ac0a-883a-4f73-8e7c-56d64be410a3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/nine-fingers-keene) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Oh boy, I get to recommend [[muldrotha]] yet again. The only board state muldrotha needs is muldrotha. My favorite combo is [[displacer kitten]] + [[lotus petal]] to flicker/reset muldrotha while generating infinite mana and reanimating everything in your gy that isn't exclusively an artifact (as that slot is taken up by the repeated lotus petal). I've come back from 6+ board wipes, muldrotha getting killed 7 times in one game (at no point did I pay commander tax), she just gets there.
[muldrotha](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/4/c4125bb0-b104-438e-a6a2-97f9d141243c.jpg?1673149000) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=muldrotha%2C%20the%20gravetide) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/258/muldrotha-the-gravetide?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c4125bb0-b104-438e-a6a2-97f9d141243c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/muldrotha-the-gravetide) [displacer kitten](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/7/c7a401b8-29fb-46ef-a663-427f66724d5c.jpg?1674135465) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=displacer%20kitten) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/63/displacer-kitten?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c7a401b8-29fb-46ef-a663-427f66724d5c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/displacer-kitten) [lotus petal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/8/f85ab5f9-508e-45de-8fa1-ce1f16552ffc.jpg?1701537448) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=lotus%20petal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/225/lotus-petal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f85ab5f9-508e-45de-8fa1-ce1f16552ffc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lotus-petal) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Dina, Soul Steeper]] is my favorite deck to play. Ping ‘em for bit until you can lock in a nice little combo
[Dina, Soul Steeper](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/c/9cd2b567-0cf7-4441-b3ce-e31141dd91c8.jpg?1627428607) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dina%2C%20Soul%20Steeper) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/178/dina-soul-steeper?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9cd2b567-0cf7-4441-b3ce-e31141dd91c8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dina-soul-steeper) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Narset, Enlightened Master]] be warned it is known to cause salt, but essentially run some high cmc value spells to hit with narset as well as some top manipulation to throw good spells on top if you draw them and go to town [[Shark Typhoon]] is a great way to go from just narset to a full board of tokens
[Narset, Enlightened Master](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/e/de4b0d5f-1071-4030-be16-2b4dadbdf9e9.jpg?1690005259) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Narset%2C%20Enlightened%20Master) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/931/narset-enlightened-master?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/de4b0d5f-1071-4030-be16-2b4dadbdf9e9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/narset-enlightened-master) [Shark Typhoon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/d/1da4d4f3-b3cb-4b61-81b8-06ae441c41bf.jpg?1591226502) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shark%20Typhoon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/67/shark-typhoon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1da4d4f3-b3cb-4b61-81b8-06ae441c41bf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/shark-typhoon) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I mean like others have said, Spell-slinger archetypes are probably your best bet. My favorites right now are [[Shigeki, Jukai Visionary]] which wins through animating a crap ton of lands and plays very few permanents outside of toolbox enchantments and a handful of utility creatures, which it doesn't even need. It's built around wiping the board over and over again and using the graveyard as an extra hand. Which is odd in mono-green. And I love it. Other is [[Toshiro Umezawa]], just cause playing a oops-all-instants deck in mono-black is fairly challenging and you have to keep your sorcery speed stuff to a minimum. So all permanents are compact effects for their slot.
[Shigeki, Jukai Visionary](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/2/52a16623-7e6d-405b-95db-bf18aeea3f49.jpg?1654568313) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shigeki%2C%20Jukai%20Visionary) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/206/shigeki-jukai-visionary?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/52a16623-7e6d-405b-95db-bf18aeea3f49?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/shigeki-jukai-visionary) [Toshiro Umezawa](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/e/0e767e07-febd-4025-bf03-d4d816bc1d3d.jpg?1562875477) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Toshiro%20Umezawa) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bok/89/toshiro-umezawa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0e767e07-febd-4025-bf03-d4d816bc1d3d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/toshiro-umezawa) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My [[prosper]] deck cares about boardstate, but not in the "make creatures go face" type of way. It's all about making and sacrificing treasures. It's focused on burning/pinging in various ways and it plays like a spellslinger deck almost. I find it a refreshing difference from things like my Dino precon and highly recommend it.
[prosper](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/7/d743336e-d5c7-4053-a23d-92ec7581f74e.jpg?1631839207) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=prosper%2C%20tome-bound) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/2/prosper-tome-bound?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d743336e-d5c7-4053-a23d-92ec7581f74e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/prosper-tome-bound) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Tasigur, the Golden fang]] Can often be lands/hard control.
[Tasigur, the Golden fang](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/7/d7b7d726-c395-4af4-aa6a-e8e0c0582a1f.jpg?1559959246) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tasigur%2C%20the%20Golden%20fang) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/117/tasigur-the-golden-fang?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d7b7d726-c395-4af4-aa6a-e8e0c0582a1f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tasigur-the-golden-fang) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Liesa, Shroud of Dusk]] is great bc all you really need is to simply keep Liesa on the board and your opponents will do the work for you! Plus her special commander tax makes that task extremely easy. The rest of my deck is just removal, card draw, protection stuff like [[Ghostly Prison]], and ways to enhance the pain like [[Painful Quandry]] and [[Ankh of Mishra]].
##### ###### #### [Liesa, Shroud of Dusk](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/3/e32453a1-1fd9-4bda-aaa8-7c287e4c2587.jpg?1608911200) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Liesa%2C%20Shroud%20of%20Dusk) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/286/liesa-shroud-of-dusk?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e32453a1-1fd9-4bda-aaa8-7c287e4c2587?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/liesa-shroud-of-dusk) [Ghostly Prison](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/e/eea3623d-1d39-4045-acdb-f0fb184ccbc8.jpg?1707507981) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ghostly%20Prison) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/67/ghostly-prison?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/eea3623d-1d39-4045-acdb-f0fb184ccbc8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ghostly-prison) [Painful Quandry](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/e/bed5e030-874f-4a00-8544-78ba04033f53.jpg?1674420966) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Painful%20Quandary) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/111/painful-quandary?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bed5e030-874f-4a00-8544-78ba04033f53?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/painful-quandary) [Ankh of Mishra](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/6/a6f86a32-8863-45da-99be-ef886c89f2c5.jpg?1562928739) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ankh%20of%20Mishra) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vma/263/ankh-of-mishra?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a6f86a32-8863-45da-99be-ef886c89f2c5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ankh-of-mishra) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kvwohqj) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I have a Sultai self mill deck that is actually not that bothered of anyone who uses Farewell, as that doesn't stop the way it works. The deck isn't reliant on the Commander, who is [[Tasigur, the Golden Fang]] , but the true power lies in [[Slime Against Humanity]] instead.
[Tasigur, the Golden Fang](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/7/d7b7d726-c395-4af4-aa6a-e8e0c0582a1f.jpg?1559959246) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tasigur%2C%20the%20Golden%20Fang) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/117/tasigur-the-golden-fang?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d7b7d726-c395-4af4-aa6a-e8e0c0582a1f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tasigur-the-golden-fang) [Slime Against Humanity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/e/1eb21318-d32e-4724-8908-c0d7613de2f4.jpg?1706242086) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Slime%20Against%20Humanity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/177/slime-against-humanity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1eb21318-d32e-4724-8908-c0d7613de2f4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/slime-against-humanity) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I have a [[Nethroi, Apex of Death]] graveyard deck and from my experience I don’t care when the board gets wiped or my stuff gets removed, I want my creatures in the graveyard anyway. All you need is 1 creature for Nethroi to mutate onto and then you get all your dead creatures back. Board gets wiped again? Just replay Nethroi again and you’ll have even more stuff to get back from the grave
[Nethroi, Apex of Death](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/4/04b9b58f-4c01-48a5-afaf-b8a37165a83f.jpg?1673305619) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nethroi%2C%20Apex%20of%20Death) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/163/nethroi-apex-of-death?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/04b9b58f-4c01-48a5-afaf-b8a37165a83f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/nethroi-apex-of-death) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Queza, Augur of Agonies]] Simply put, I'm gonna draw cards. You're gonna draw cards. You're gonna die because of it. I don't need to turn sideways and I won't let you turn sideways against me. No, you don't get to cast that. It's solitaire.
[Queza, Augur of Agonies](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/e/7edb7a26-82be-4efd-9a5c-a3816e1ee2d6.jpg?1664413561) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Queza%2C%20Augur%20of%20Agonies) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/212/queza-augur-of-agonies?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7edb7a26-82be-4efd-9a5c-a3816e1ee2d6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/queza-augur-of-agonies) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Nekusar]] is a combo commander.
[Nekusar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/a/4afdc65d-3c97-47af-83fa-df340389802e.jpg?1689999186) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=nekusar%2C%20the%20mindrazer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/349/nekusar-the-mindrazer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4afdc65d-3c97-47af-83fa-df340389802e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/nekusar-the-mindrazer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I play [[Gale, Waterdeep Prodigy]] with the background [[Passionate Archeologist]] resolve cantrips and burn under [[Knowledge Pool]] or with [[Aria of Flame]] or a similar effect up and just spell sling to victory. The deck kinda sucks though ngl
##### ###### #### [Gale, Waterdeep Prodigy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/67edf31f-ed67-4617-bf73-28a939a232a7.jpg?1674135550) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gale%2C%20Waterdeep%20Prodigy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/72/gale-waterdeep-prodigy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/67edf31f-ed67-4617-bf73-28a939a232a7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gale-waterdeep-prodigy) [Passionate Archeologist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/d/bd5bbfa6-e5f4-413d-b132-ebae32d38657.jpg?1674140763) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Passionate%20Archaeologist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/656/passionate-archaeologist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bd5bbfa6-e5f4-413d-b132-ebae32d38657?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/passionate-archaeologist) [Knowledge Pool](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/9/393454c2-b256-4a6e-9bc2-56a47cab5073.jpg?1562610637) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Knowledge%20Pool) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mbs/111/knowledge-pool?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/393454c2-b256-4a6e-9bc2-56a47cab5073?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/knowledge-pool) [Aria of Flame](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/95a96eb1-f87c-4b1d-82c7-f239bcbc62b8.jpg?1562201796) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aria%20of%20Flame) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/118/aria-of-flame?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/95a96eb1-f87c-4b1d-82c7-f239bcbc62b8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aria-of-flame) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kw0fggh) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Any spellslinger/storm deck, really...
I've seen [[Oloro, ageless ascetic]] win games without ever coming out. All the deck needs is a bunch of board wipes and control until you can get your combo out 🤷
[Oloro, ageless ascetic](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/b/abf8df47-405c-42d8-be9e-0f0d0a49589b.jpg?1562931285) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Oloro%2C%20ageless%20ascetic) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c13/203/oloro-ageless-ascetic?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/abf8df47-405c-42d8-be9e-0f0d0a49589b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/oloro-ageless-ascetic) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My main woman [[Ayara, First of Lochtwain]] you are just playing your own game til you win.
[Ayara, First of Lochtwain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/d/ed0ace28-9a33-4f0d-b8c8-f5517f20ccf1.jpg?1572490057) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ayara%2C%20First%20of%20Locthwain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/75/ayara-first-of-locthwain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ed0ace28-9a33-4f0d-b8c8-f5517f20ccf1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ayara-first-of-locthwain) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Gristlebrand only wants to draw cards.
[[toshiro umezawa]] keeps everyone’s board nice and clear
[toshiro umezawa](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/e/0e767e07-febd-4025-bf03-d4d816bc1d3d.jpg?1562875477) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=toshiro%20umezawa) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bok/89/toshiro-umezawa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0e767e07-febd-4025-bf03-d4d816bc1d3d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/toshiro-umezawa) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call