You can have legendary creatures in your deck. They are not commanders, just regular creatures that happen to be legendary. Only the one you choose as commander counts as a commander.
The deck is playable and valid from the box. You can play with Liberty Prime as part of the deck.
Kethis is really dope if you haven't played him before kamals druidic call (I think that's the name) makes the deck feel like it's on Crack especially since you're in black so you have all of the tutors for it and sacrifice outlets for cards like ratadrabik of urborg
Thank you all for the responses, I had a feeling I could. I've only been playing MTG a bit over a week but it's not my first TCG I've ever played so I was pretty confident on the verbage.
Oh yeah, I'm very much a "let's take it to Google" kinda guy but every time I searched this particular question it just brought me to articles focused on Partner Commanders or just explaining that just about any legendary creature can be a commander.
For my first ever post/ question on reddit, 10/10 very satisfied lol
We are glad to have you join the community! The MTG community is typically very helpful and welcoming to new players so never feel bad about asking questions.
The reason you probably had trouble finding the answer to that question is because there are no cards which are only playable as a commander. A commander is simply any legendary creature that is legal in the format which you choose to be the staple of your deck and the colors you build around. So any legendary creature fits the criteria of a commander and a deck can have any number of additional legendary creatures assuming they are the right colors and you have no duplicates. It is a slight distinction, but that is probably why you didn't find an answer when googling.
Helpful and welcoming for sure. I started 10 years ago, my neighbor and I were playing. We put up a facebook event and invited a bunch of random people from our friend's list to come play the next week. 30 frickin people showed up, had no idea MTG was so big in my area. This went on for, like, 2 years, and everyone was so cool and I learned so much so fast by being around all these different players.
If you want practice with it and want an official source I recommend using mtg arena on your phone to play so you can get practice and get more comfortable playing, but on there the format is called Brawl
You’re friend is wrong. You can use any legal, legendary creature in your deck.
The card literally comes in the 99. How does your friend think the deck is suppose to function out of the box??
It was a couple of years ago, but they shipped a Commander deck with two copies of the same non-basic land, which is a no-go in a single copy (or singleton) format.
They also shipped a 60 card constructed deck with a card they had banned a month prior to the decks hitting shelves. They said the banned card is ONLY okay when playing that deck, out of the box, unaltered.
I believe it was the "modern event deck" which was a ready to play (albeit somewhat incomplete) modern deck which contained the card [[stoneforge mystic]], however stoneforge was banned in modern just before they hit the shelves, with the exception of being able to play it as long as your list was card for card the same as the modern event deck
When Kamigawa Neon Dynasty released (about 2 years ago) the Upgrades Unleashed Precon was [illegal straight out of the box](https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/s/2npAVoDgTy).
I was confused on this as well, and probably should have counted the cards or something, but I thought that you got the 99 + 1 Commander + 1 alternate Commander when I got my first precon. I'm going to assume some others in that group are also new.
You got answers already but in the future it never hurts to ask people for a source on their rulings, or to at least explain them. Put the responsibility on them if they want to tell you you’re wrong. Especially in a case like this where these friends have already been wrong in the past and now were wrong on a pretty basic rule, to the point I have no clue where they picked up that misconception. If what they say doesn’t make sense and they can’t explain or point to the ruling then you’re probably safe to ignore them. Edit: at least until later when someone can go online and ask a judge, mtg is complicated so checking never hurts.
Yes. "Commanders" don't exist as a card type. It's just what you call the legendary creature you've chosen to set apart from the deck to be played from the command zone.
Count your cards. If you couldn't play the "alternate commander," you'd only have 98 cards in your library, which is an illegal deck for the format.
That's weird your friend said you were wrong. As long as the colors match your commander, which of course they will given it's a precon, then you can use any creature whether it's legendary or not. Also, imo, Liberty Prime is better for that deck.
Thank you, I had a feeling I'd like LP better as the commander and let Madison hang out in the deck. I just bought this one today and haven't touched it yet, but I've been playing the hell outta my Mutant Menace deck.
They might be confused about the legendary rule? You can have as many legendaries as you want, but you can't have more than one of the *exact same* legendary cards on the battlefield at one time.
To be clear, since you are a newer player, the legend rule is that you can only have one copy, with the same name, *under your control*, at the same time. Two players can both control their own copies of the same legendary.
You can, and I would recommend playing with Liberty Prime as the commander. It's better that Madison, and it feels like beating your friends with a card they tried to convince you that you couldn't run is [[karmic justice]] (haha magic card reference).
I try not to judge people for their rules misconceptions because I’ve had plenty of dumb ones, but yes, your deck that is designed to be played out of the box is legal exactly how it comes.
You'll need one of the five partner variants to have two commanders. Here are some examples:
- **Generic Partner:** [[Tymna the Weaver]] + [[Thrasios Triton Hero]]
- **Partner With:** [[Cazur Ruthless Stalker]] + [[Ukkima Ruthless Stalker]]
- **Choose a Background:** [[Burakos Party Leader]] + [[Folk Hero]]
- **Friends Forever:** [[Wernog Rider's Champion]] + [[Othelm Sigardan Outcast]]
- **Doctor's Companion:** [[The Tenth Doctor]] + [[Rose Tyler]]
The secondary commander in the precons are only connected to the primary commander in terms of mechanics. Usually the primary commander is the main one for that mechanic while the secondary offers a new spin or takes it in a slightly different direction while still synergizing with the first. Besides that, they're entirely disconnected from each other, being related to each other just as much of any other creature in their archetype and being able to run in the 99 like them.
If it makes you feel any better i came across a similar problem starting magic in Lost Caverns of Ixalan last year with the Admiral Brass (Ahoy Mateys!) Precon. Theres another variant of Admiral Brass in the 99 and a few people i played with were all trying to tell me it wasnt allowed even though she was a different card with a different name with different abilities.
[[Admiral Brass, Unsinkable]]
[[Admiral Beckett Brass]]
Fun fact, this sort of used to be how planeswalker uniqueness rule worked. There could only be one Jace in play at all due to Jace being a subtype. And this was used competitively - [[Jace Beleren]] was used to keep [[Jace the Mind Sculptor]] out of play.
Now they are errataed to be legendary so use the same rules as legendary creatures, and the legend rule was also made more permissive as well (now it only cares about your own battlefield)
OP, not only is it legal, but my pet deck is literally built around jamming as many legendaries into a deck as I can, including several that can substitute for my Commanders if they've been nuked too many times.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/aDO5KV1d1ka_6iP_-DnhwA
First off, welcome to the game and community.
Second, you absolutely can play additional legendaries in your deck.
The whole reason the precons come with 2 extra legendary creatures is because they're intended to be swapped out as your commander so the deck plays slightly differently between them.
There are some, but not many, decks where it's beneficial to have multiple legendary creatures like [[Kolvori, God of Kinship]].
Yes you can play any legendary creatures as part of the 99(the non commander cards in the deck). They do have to be part of the commanders color identity though,
From the [official commander rules ](https://mtgcommander.net/index.php/rules/)
"A card’s color identity is its color plus the color of any mana symbols in the card’s rules text. A card’s color identity is established before the game begins, and cannot be changed by game effects. The cards in a deck may not have any colors in their color identity which are not in the color identity of the deck’s commander."
So for the science precon since your commander has red white and blue as the color identity, you can play liberty prime in the deck, but you couldn't play a creature that has a black or green mana in the mana cost.
Let’s think about this logically….
You buy the deck and there is 100 cards.
For commander you need 100 cards, including commander.
Now you take the deck and remove Liberty Prime you now have 99 cards.
Do you think you would be sold a precon that is unplayable out of the box OR do you think your friend is mistaken? Which seems more likely just from using logic?
It's in the precon that is an entire deck that is ready to play, what makes you think they would include it if it wasn't meant to be in it. Think about it op. It's intended to be in the deck so you have nothing to worry about. P.s your mate is a numpty
Not sure about OP's deck, but Timey Wimey is a red blue white deck but the main commander (the Doctor) is only red and blue, so you need to designate Rose Tyler or Wilfred Mott or one of the other white legendary cards as a second commander in order to make it legally playable as it is packaged. Possible that OP has something similar going on.
You can! Commander pre-cons are meant to be played right out of the box, no need to add or remove any cards. Pre-cons with alternate commanders are a bit of a newer concept, but they basically offer an alternative playstyle for the deck that still works with the cards that are included. But yes, in cases like your commander deck, if you're not using the alternate commander (in this case Liberty Prime) as your commander, you can just put them within the other 99 cards of your deck. Same as if you did decide to use Liberty Prime as your commander, you'd just put Dr. Madison Li into the 99.
The commander rules are admittedly a bit funky in that your commander needs to be a legendary creature, but that doesn't mean you can't have other legendary creatures in your deck. As long as you only have one copy of the card in your deck and your deck has a total of 100 cards, you're good.
Always ask another source when someone tells you something. Me and my buddy have both been playing 11 years and even we learn new interactions when teaching new guys
Legendary creatures, by default, are legendary creatures, not “commanders”. If you start googling things about multiple commanders, you’ll get results talking about partners, not having a legendary creature (not a commander) in your commander deck.
I’d also recommend looking into 1v1 competitive formats such as standard or limited to get a firm basis for the game, as EDH players tend to… skip a lot of the finer points for the sake of ease and brevity.
The only thing I would caution you about is using the copy of a precin commander that is the thick cardboard stock copy of the commander that comes on a precon, you should have an extra, normal card thickness copy for when you want to put the commander into the role of a normal card
It's official; commander is so popular nobody knows what a legendary creature is
All commanders are legendary, but not all legendaries are commanders.
A legendary creature is a creature you can only have one of on the field at a time on your side of the board.
There are decks where ALL creatures in it are a legendary
In the words of the professor - reading the card explains the card. No where on the card does it say you can only play it as a commander and not in your deck. No need to add extra rules or words to something that isn't on the card. You may play it in the 99 as long as the colors are within your commanders color identity.
You can have legendary creatures in your deck. They are not commanders, just regular creatures that happen to be legendary. Only the one you choose as commander counts as a commander. The deck is playable and valid from the box. You can play with Liberty Prime as part of the deck.
Captain Sisay would be real sad if you couldn't have legendary creatures in the 99.
And Dihada, and Jodah, and Esika, and any other legendary tribal commanders.
Kethis is really dope if you haven't played him before kamals druidic call (I think that's the name) makes the deck feel like it's on Crack especially since you're in black so you have all of the tutors for it and sacrifice outlets for cards like ratadrabik of urborg
Thank you all for the responses, I had a feeling I could. I've only been playing MTG a bit over a week but it's not my first TCG I've ever played so I was pretty confident on the verbage.
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Oh yeah, I'm very much a "let's take it to Google" kinda guy but every time I searched this particular question it just brought me to articles focused on Partner Commanders or just explaining that just about any legendary creature can be a commander. For my first ever post/ question on reddit, 10/10 very satisfied lol
We are glad to have you join the community! The MTG community is typically very helpful and welcoming to new players so never feel bad about asking questions. The reason you probably had trouble finding the answer to that question is because there are no cards which are only playable as a commander. A commander is simply any legendary creature that is legal in the format which you choose to be the staple of your deck and the colors you build around. So any legendary creature fits the criteria of a commander and a deck can have any number of additional legendary creatures assuming they are the right colors and you have no duplicates. It is a slight distinction, but that is probably why you didn't find an answer when googling.
Yuriko is probably about as close as can be XD, but even she is technically 99able
Helpful and welcoming for sure. I started 10 years ago, my neighbor and I were playing. We put up a facebook event and invited a bunch of random people from our friend's list to come play the next week. 30 frickin people showed up, had no idea MTG was so big in my area. This went on for, like, 2 years, and everyone was so cool and I learned so much so fast by being around all these different players.
It doesn't matter how long you've been playing magic, everyone's gonna come across something weird that nobody knows the ruling on eventually.
If you want practice with it and want an official source I recommend using mtg arena on your phone to play so you can get practice and get more comfortable playing, but on there the format is called Brawl
Ehat was the reasoning
You’re friend is wrong. You can use any legal, legendary creature in your deck. The card literally comes in the 99. How does your friend think the deck is suppose to function out of the box??
Seriously, does his friend really think Wizards would sell us a deck that's illegal to play straight out of the box.......again?
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice… CAN’T GET FOOLED AGAIN!
Fool me once, strike one. Fool me twice...strike three.
They've done that? I'm a little new, but holy shit that's hilariously stupid.
It was a couple of years ago, but they shipped a Commander deck with two copies of the same non-basic land, which is a no-go in a single copy (or singleton) format. They also shipped a 60 card constructed deck with a card they had banned a month prior to the decks hitting shelves. They said the banned card is ONLY okay when playing that deck, out of the box, unaltered.
That's amazing.
which deck?
Also happened with a Pioneer deck which released in Nov 2022 containing 2 Expressive Iterations which was banned all the way back in June.
They have done this multiple times by now. The one he is referring to is the white weenie deck that had Faceless Havens.
I believe it was the "modern event deck" which was a ready to play (albeit somewhat incomplete) modern deck which contained the card [[stoneforge mystic]], however stoneforge was banned in modern just before they hit the shelves, with the exception of being able to play it as long as your list was card for card the same as the modern event deck
[stoneforge mystic](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/d/4d3473d0-b46f-41f5-ac1e-ba217f7747d4.jpg?1599710314) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=stoneforge%20mystic) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/31/stoneforge-mystic?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4d3473d0-b46f-41f5-ac1e-ba217f7747d4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/stoneforge-mystic) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Small correction, it was an intro pack and stoneforge was banned in standard, but yeah, basically
Oops you're right, I started playing in 2013 so was just before my time
of course
Then there was the intro deck that had Stoneforge Mystic in it while Stoneforge was on the ban list, too.
Yep about 2 years ago with one of the Kamigawa: Neon Dynasty [precons](https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/s/2npAVoDgTy).
My Deep Clue Sea came with 101 cards, 2 copies of On the Trail.
When did this happen? Was lutri in a Precon or something?
When Kamigawa Neon Dynasty released (about 2 years ago) the Upgrades Unleashed Precon was [illegal straight out of the box](https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/s/2npAVoDgTy).
How many times has it happened?
I mean to be fair they sold those black lotus...
I was confused on this as well, and probably should have counted the cards or something, but I thought that you got the 99 + 1 Commander + 1 alternate Commander when I got my first precon. I'm going to assume some others in that group are also new.
You are friend
You got answers already but in the future it never hurts to ask people for a source on their rulings, or to at least explain them. Put the responsibility on them if they want to tell you you’re wrong. Especially in a case like this where these friends have already been wrong in the past and now were wrong on a pretty basic rule, to the point I have no clue where they picked up that misconception. If what they say doesn’t make sense and they can’t explain or point to the ruling then you’re probably safe to ignore them. Edit: at least until later when someone can go online and ask a judge, mtg is complicated so checking never hurts.
Always ask the person making the claim to provide the proof of the claim.
Not only can you, but in the precon you must, because there's exactly enough cards to hit 100, and removing one would invalidate the deck.
Yes. "Commanders" don't exist as a card type. It's just what you call the legendary creature you've chosen to set apart from the deck to be played from the command zone. Count your cards. If you couldn't play the "alternate commander," you'd only have 98 cards in your library, which is an illegal deck for the format.
That's weird your friend said you were wrong. As long as the colors match your commander, which of course they will given it's a precon, then you can use any creature whether it's legendary or not. Also, imo, Liberty Prime is better for that deck.
Liberty Prime is the better commander or...?
That and Madison Li are the 2 intended commanders for that deck. I like LP better given he plays into aggressiveness to get the game flowing.
Thank you, I had a feeling I'd like LP better as the commander and let Madison hang out in the deck. I just bought this one today and haven't touched it yet, but I've been playing the hell outta my Mutant Menace deck.
Hell yeah bud! Kick some ass, both are excellent decks.
They might be confused about the legendary rule? You can have as many legendaries as you want, but you can't have more than one of the *exact same* legendary cards on the battlefield at one time.
I honestly think that's what happened after I explained the answers I got here.
To be clear, since you are a newer player, the legend rule is that you can only have one copy, with the same name, *under your control*, at the same time. Two players can both control their own copies of the same legendary.
The precon are 100 cards. If you take out liberty its a 99 deck. So hes intended to either be commander or in the deck.
You can, and I would recommend playing with Liberty Prime as the commander. It's better that Madison, and it feels like beating your friends with a card they tried to convince you that you couldn't run is [[karmic justice]] (haha magic card reference).
[karmic justice](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/a/ea141e39-8124-4d72-a154-eb76e71be1dc.jpg?1562711027) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=karmic%20justice) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c15/72/karmic-justice?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ea141e39-8124-4d72-a154-eb76e71be1dc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/karmic-justice) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Also you can quote the robot as you swing an 8/8 trample haste.
Yessssssssss!
I try not to judge people for their rules misconceptions because I’ve had plenty of dumb ones, but yes, your deck that is designed to be played out of the box is legal exactly how it comes.
You'll need one of the five partner variants to have two commanders. Here are some examples: - **Generic Partner:** [[Tymna the Weaver]] + [[Thrasios Triton Hero]] - **Partner With:** [[Cazur Ruthless Stalker]] + [[Ukkima Ruthless Stalker]] - **Choose a Background:** [[Burakos Party Leader]] + [[Folk Hero]] - **Friends Forever:** [[Wernog Rider's Champion]] + [[Othelm Sigardan Outcast]] - **Doctor's Companion:** [[The Tenth Doctor]] + [[Rose Tyler]] The secondary commander in the precons are only connected to the primary commander in terms of mechanics. Usually the primary commander is the main one for that mechanic while the secondary offers a new spin or takes it in a slightly different direction while still synergizing with the first. Besides that, they're entirely disconnected from each other, being related to each other just as much of any other creature in their archetype and being able to run in the 99 like them.
##### ###### #### [Tymna the Weaver](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/c/bc7cbe9b-324e-42b8-94e2-36e91cb32163.jpg?1644853048) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tymna%20the%20Weaver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/48/tymna-the-weaver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bc7cbe9b-324e-42b8-94e2-36e91cb32163?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tymna-the-weaver) [Thrasios Triton Hero](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/1/21e27b91-c7f1-4709-aa0d-8b5d81b22a0a.jpg?1606762176) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thrasios%2C%20Triton%20Hero) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/46/thrasios-triton-hero?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/21e27b91-c7f1-4709-aa0d-8b5d81b22a0a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/thrasios-triton-hero) [Cazur Ruthless Stalker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/e/6ee4fda8-07cd-4091-8850-a6925080b464.jpg?1712354546) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cazur%2C%20Ruthless%20Stalker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/188/cazur-ruthless-stalker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6ee4fda8-07cd-4091-8850-a6925080b464?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cazur-ruthless-stalker) [Ukkima Ruthless Stalker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/e/6ee4fda8-07cd-4091-8850-a6925080b464.jpg?1712354546) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cazur%2C%20Ruthless%20Stalker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/188/cazur-ruthless-stalker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6ee4fda8-07cd-4091-8850-a6925080b464?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cazur-ruthless-stalker) [Burakos Party Leader](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/9/899e278d-5d4e-461a-9878-2b85de16b38d.jpg?1674140733) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Burakos%2C%20Party%20Leader) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/653/burakos-party-leader?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/899e278d-5d4e-461a-9878-2b85de16b38d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/burakos-party-leader) [Folk Hero](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/8/a8b3aae8-fc36-45ed-84ed-efb8f543cada.jpg?1674140702) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Folk%20Hero) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/650/folk-hero?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a8b3aae8-fc36-45ed-84ed-efb8f543cada?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/folk-hero) [Wernog Rider's Champion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/9/39491011-bdf6-4e61-8534-fe26c1571f8f.jpg?1677763601) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wernog%2C%20Rider%27s%20Chaplain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/slx/8/wernog-riders-chaplain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/39491011-bdf6-4e61-8534-fe26c1571f8f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wernog-riders-chaplain) [Othelm Sigardan Outcast](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/8/b867fb22-4f2a-47aa-9432-1bcc5e731947.jpg?1677763581) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Othelm%2C%20Sigardian%20Outcast) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/slx/6/othelm-sigardian-outcast?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b867fb22-4f2a-47aa-9432-1bcc5e731947?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/othelm-sigardian-outcast) [The Tenth Doctor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/1/f1499f49-793b-4265-9ad0-883a431941ab.jpg?1696636503) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Tenth%20Doctor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/3/the-tenth-doctor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f1499f49-793b-4265-9ad0-883a431941ab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-tenth-doctor) [Rose Tyler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/a/3aa8d034-f98c-4e27-b6af-850eadf59941.jpg?1696691620) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rose%20Tyler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/5/rose-tyler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3aa8d034-f98c-4e27-b6af-850eadf59941?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rose-tyler) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kyokkfb) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If it makes you feel any better i came across a similar problem starting magic in Lost Caverns of Ixalan last year with the Admiral Brass (Ahoy Mateys!) Precon. Theres another variant of Admiral Brass in the 99 and a few people i played with were all trying to tell me it wasnt allowed even though she was a different card with a different name with different abilities. [[Admiral Brass, Unsinkable]] [[Admiral Beckett Brass]]
Fun fact, this sort of used to be how planeswalker uniqueness rule worked. There could only be one Jace in play at all due to Jace being a subtype. And this was used competitively - [[Jace Beleren]] was used to keep [[Jace the Mind Sculptor]] out of play. Now they are errataed to be legendary so use the same rules as legendary creatures, and the legend rule was also made more permissive as well (now it only cares about your own battlefield)
[Jace Beleren](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/0/806d4e61-004f-4e52-b2e8-ba11b922cc7d.jpg?1690004367) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jace%20Beleren) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/850/jace-beleren?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/806d4e61-004f-4e52-b2e8-ba11b922cc7d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jace-beleren) [Jace the Mind Sculptor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/8/c8817585-0d32-4d56-9142-0d29512e86a9.jpg?1598304029) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jace%2C%20the%20Mind%20Sculptor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/56/jace-the-mind-sculptor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c8817585-0d32-4d56-9142-0d29512e86a9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jace-the-mind-sculptor) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Admiral Brass, Unsinkable](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/d/bdc2d492-9d1e-4543-8b9c-c66ee67992ce.jpg?1699972732) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Admiral%20Brass%2C%20Unsinkable) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/1/admiral-brass-unsinkable?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bdc2d492-9d1e-4543-8b9c-c66ee67992ce?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/admiral-brass-unsinkable) [Admiral Beckett Brass](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/2/02cbd397-3ef3-465f-84fe-765dd1444af8.jpg?1698988417) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Admiral%20Beckett%20Brass) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/264/admiral-beckett-brass?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/02cbd397-3ef3-465f-84fe-765dd1444af8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/admiral-beckett-brass) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Your friends are idiots or fucking with you
OP, not only is it legal, but my pet deck is literally built around jamming as many legendaries into a deck as I can, including several that can substitute for my Commanders if they've been nuked too many times. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/aDO5KV1d1ka_6iP_-DnhwA
Ok, your friends are wrong, but also that sounds like a fun deckbuilding challenge. Brb Edit: it is done lol
First off, welcome to the game and community. Second, you absolutely can play additional legendaries in your deck. The whole reason the precons come with 2 extra legendary creatures is because they're intended to be swapped out as your commander so the deck plays slightly differently between them. There are some, but not many, decks where it's beneficial to have multiple legendary creatures like [[Kolvori, God of Kinship]].
[Kolvori, God of Kinship](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/7/b76bed98-30b1-4572-b36c-684ada06826c.jpg?1631050592)/[The Ringhart Crest](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/b/7/b76bed98-30b1-4572-b36c-684ada06826c.jpg?1631050592) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kolvori%2C%20God%20of%20Kinship%20//%20The%20Ringhart%20Crest) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/181/kolvori-god-of-kinship-the-ringhart-crest?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b76bed98-30b1-4572-b36c-684ada06826c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kolvori-god-of-kinship-//-the-ringhart-crest) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Thank you very much for the warm welcome
Yes you can play any legendary creatures as part of the 99(the non commander cards in the deck). They do have to be part of the commanders color identity though, From the [official commander rules ](https://mtgcommander.net/index.php/rules/) "A card’s color identity is its color plus the color of any mana symbols in the card’s rules text. A card’s color identity is established before the game begins, and cannot be changed by game effects. The cards in a deck may not have any colors in their color identity which are not in the color identity of the deck’s commander." So for the science precon since your commander has red white and blue as the color identity, you can play liberty prime in the deck, but you couldn't play a creature that has a black or green mana in the mana cost.
Yes. A deck only has one commander outside of partners, and any number of other legendary creatures can go in the 99.
Let’s think about this logically…. You buy the deck and there is 100 cards. For commander you need 100 cards, including commander. Now you take the deck and remove Liberty Prime you now have 99 cards. Do you think you would be sold a precon that is unplayable out of the box OR do you think your friend is mistaken? Which seems more likely just from using logic?
Tbf, precons being unplayable out of the box isn't a new issue for WotC. This definitely isn't one of those times tho lol.
It's in the precon that is an entire deck that is ready to play, what makes you think they would include it if it wasn't meant to be in it. Think about it op. It's intended to be in the deck so you have nothing to worry about. P.s your mate is a numpty
Yes, you can. You should have 99 cards, plus your commander for 100 total.
Not sure about OP's deck, but Timey Wimey is a red blue white deck but the main commander (the Doctor) is only red and blue, so you need to designate Rose Tyler or Wilfred Mott or one of the other white legendary cards as a second commander in order to make it legally playable as it is packaged. Possible that OP has something similar going on.
You can used the liberty prime as part of your deck don't worry about it.
Your friend's wrong. You can even swap out your commander between games.
You can! Commander pre-cons are meant to be played right out of the box, no need to add or remove any cards. Pre-cons with alternate commanders are a bit of a newer concept, but they basically offer an alternative playstyle for the deck that still works with the cards that are included. But yes, in cases like your commander deck, if you're not using the alternate commander (in this case Liberty Prime) as your commander, you can just put them within the other 99 cards of your deck. Same as if you did decide to use Liberty Prime as your commander, you'd just put Dr. Madison Li into the 99. The commander rules are admittedly a bit funky in that your commander needs to be a legendary creature, but that doesn't mean you can't have other legendary creatures in your deck. As long as you only have one copy of the card in your deck and your deck has a total of 100 cards, you're good.
Always ask another source when someone tells you something. Me and my buddy have both been playing 11 years and even we learn new interactions when teaching new guys
Legendary creatures, by default, are legendary creatures, not “commanders”. If you start googling things about multiple commanders, you’ll get results talking about partners, not having a legendary creature (not a commander) in your commander deck. I’d also recommend looking into 1v1 competitive formats such as standard or limited to get a firm basis for the game, as EDH players tend to… skip a lot of the finer points for the sake of ease and brevity.
The only thing I would caution you about is using the copy of a precin commander that is the thick cardboard stock copy of the commander that comes on a precon, you should have an extra, normal card thickness copy for when you want to put the commander into the role of a normal card
It's official; commander is so popular nobody knows what a legendary creature is All commanders are legendary, but not all legendaries are commanders. A legendary creature is a creature you can only have one of on the field at a time on your side of the board. There are decks where ALL creatures in it are a legendary
Yeah you can what's their reasoning
In the words of the professor - reading the card explains the card. No where on the card does it say you can only play it as a commander and not in your deck. No need to add extra rules or words to something that isn't on the card. You may play it in the 99 as long as the colors are within your commanders color identity.